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Not deflecting....just showing your hypocrisy.

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-23
In Reply to: mccain is running - Shera

Acceptable in a Democrat, does not affect his ability to be President...but a Republican is a poon dog.

Takes the air out of the criticism somewhat doncha think?


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Now who's deflecting? LOL. nm
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Exactly, it's the hypocrisy!

HYPOCRISY

THE GOP'S FILIBUSTER HYPOCRISY



by: Robert Parry, Consortium News


Though seemingly forgotten by most TV talking heads, it was only three years ago, when the Republicans had control of both the White House and Congress - and "filibuster" was a dirty word.

    It was usually coupled with "obstructionist" amid demands that any of George W. Bush's proposals deserved "an up-or-down vote."


    Yet now, with the Democrats holding the White House and Congress, the Republicans and the Washington press corps have come to view the filibuster fondly, as a valued American tradition, a time-honored part of a healthy legislative process.


    Today, it's seen as a good thing that Democrats must muster 60 votes in the Senate to pass almost anything.


    When the TV pundits talk about Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan squeaking through the Senate, they're actually referring to a vote that might fall in the range of 60 or more yes votes to perhaps 38 no's, a three-touchdown "squeaker."


    The only thing close about the vote is whether the package can overcome a Republican filibuster and get 60 votes for "cloture." To reach this super-majority, Democrats have been forced to accept a higher percentage of tax cuts, even if leading economists consider tax cuts one of the least effective ways of stimulating the moribund economy.


    Yet, this anti-democratic fact about the GOP strategy - that it seeks to frustrate the will of the American majority, which rejected the Republicans and their policies in the last two U.S. elections - is rarely mentioned in the news.


    Nor is the fact that Republicans railed against even a hint of a filibuster when the Democrats were in the minority just a few years ago.


    Back then, when the Republicans controlled everything, the big story was how a threatened Democratic filibuster against, say, one of Bush's right-wing judicial nominations would be met by the Republican "nuclear option" - using a majority-vote on a rule change to eliminate the filibuster permanently.


    For instance, in 2006, when Bush wanted to put Samuel Alito on the U.S. Supreme Court, the move amounted to a direct threat to the Republic. Alito was a staunch believer in the imperial presidency, a promoter of a "unitary executive" who would wield unlimited powers at a time of war - and the "war on terror" promised to be an endless war.


    If confirmed, Alito would join three other justices - John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas - who shared his extreme views, and possibly another, Anthony Kennedy, who was considered only slightly more moderate.


    In effect, the Alito nomination raised the specter of five right-wing justices effectively gutting the U.S. Constitution and its checks and balances in favor of Bush's personal rule.


    The Republic in the Balance


    With the future of the American Republic in the balance and Bush short of 60 votes in favor of Alito, a filibuster could have stopped this radical nomination in its tracks and could have forced Bush to select a less extreme nominee.


    Many in the Democratic "base" urged Senate Democrats to use the filibuster at this critical moment - a time when Bush was viewing himself as a new-age monarch and his political aides were fantasizing about a "permanent Republican majority," transforming the United States into a virtual one-party state with the Democrats kept around as a cosmetic appendage.


    As this drama played out, the Washington news media weighed in heavily against a Democratic filibuster, essentially repeating Republican talking points about the need to give the President's nominee an up-or-down vote and bemoaning the anti-democratic nature of the filibuster.


    Republican leaders thundered that any use of the filibuster against Alito or other Bush judicial nominees would force them to go "nuclear" by outlawing filibusters forever. Then, the Republicans could ram through whomever - or whatever - they wanted.


    Rather than call the Republicans' bluff, "moderate" Democratic senators joined a bipartisan group called the "Gang of 14," which agreed to forego filibusters except in "extraordinary circumstances." And despite the alarm of many Americans about Bush's moves to eradicate the Republic, this "gang" did not believe Alito's confirmation reached the "extraordinary" standard.


    So, when a few Democratic senators led by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts tried to mount a filibuster, the Senate Democratic leadership refused to put up a fight, even as their former standard bearer was mocked by Republicans as a "Swiss Miss" for first urging the filibuster while he was attending an economic conference in Davos, Switzerland.


    Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan piled on Kerry at a White House press briefing. "I think even for a senator, it takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort in the Swiss Alps," McClellan laughed.


    In support of his filibuster, Kerry could line up only 25 votes, while the Republicans amassed 72 votes for cloture - a dozen more than the 60 needed to shut off debate. Those votes included 19 Democrats.


    On the final confirmation vote, however, Alito was approved by a much smaller margin, 58-42, meaning that he could have been kept off the Supreme Court if all those who considered him a poor choice had backed the filibuster.


    [As for the fate of the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy turned out to be less of an extremist than some Republicans had hoped. He joined with more moderate justices in key 5-to-4 opinions that rebuffed President Bush's assertions of unlimited powers.]


    Reversing Majorities


    Despite the timidity of Senate Democrats in the Alito battle, an energized Democratic "base" - joined by Republican constitutionalists - fought on against the "permanent-Republican-majority" dreams of Bush, Karl Rove and the neoconservatives. In November 2006, the Republicans were repudiated at the polls.


    Suddenly in the congressional minority, the Republicans did a flip-flop on the filibuster, discovering the high principles behind the tactic. The GOP used the filibuster routinely in 2007 and 2008 to block Democratic initiatives, especially any challenges to Bush's expansive claims of executive authority.


    Typical of the modern Washington press corps, its leading voices changed, too, joining the Republican chorus hailing the filibuster as an honored tradition of democracy and finding value in the need for the Democrats to muster 60 Senate votes to pass any significant bill.


    Today, the press corps continues in that pattern, forgetting the GOP's earlier contempt for the filibuster and treating its use by the Republican minority against the stimulus bill as normal.


    There are rarely any comments about obstructionism, nor are the Republicans compared to the Southern segregationists who famously used the filibuster to resist civil rights laws in the 1950s and 1960s.


    Given this pass by the press, Republicans are making the filibuster their chief weapon in pressuring Obama and congressional Democratic to accept more of a Republican-style stimulus bill with less spending and more tax cuts, regardless of whether that represents the best hope for the U.S. economy.


    But the stimulus battle is likely to be only the first taste of the GOP strategy to hobble the Obama presidency. The Republicans can be expected to use the filibuster again and again to prevent many of the social and economic changes that the American voters endorsed in November 2008, policies like national health insurance and spending on long-neglected domestic needs.


    In this obstructionism, the Republicans appear to have a powerful ally in the Washington press corps that - with few exceptions - treats the GOP's promiscuous use of filibusters as some responsible application of a time-honored tradition. The press also forgets to remind the U.S. public that just a few years ago, the Republicans hated filibusters.


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Hypocrisy?

Congressional Budget Increased to pay GOP Staffers



February 25, 2009 12:04 PM


A ten percent increase in the budget for Congressional operations was needed because Senate Republicans wanted to retain previous staff levels despite having lost roughly 20 percent of their ranks in the 2008 elections, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Wednesday.


Congressional Republicans have been pouncing on any instance of wasteful spending they can find, but the congressional-operations line item will likely remain safe from their ire.


The one-tenth hike brings the budget for Congress itself to $4.4 billion.


Reid, asked about the increase at a press conference, initially dodged the question, speaking instead about spending in general.


The unsatisfied reporter repeated the question about a ten percent raise for the congressional budget. "How is that going to help get out of the depression?" she pressed.


Don't blame us, said Reid.


"We had a situation -- you should direct that question to Senator McConnell," he said, referring to the Senate Minority Leader, "because we had trouble organizing this year. He wanted to maintain a lot of their staffing even though they had lost huge numbers. And the only way we could get it done is to do what we did. So you should direct that question to Senator McConnell."


A McConnell spokesman didn't immediately return a phone call.


UPDATE: A GOP leadership aide is calling rubbish: "I just don't know how they can get away with blaming us for that 10 percent figure," he writes in an e-mail. "Republicans aren't getting a dime more in committee money for staff than we got last year. The entire pot of funding used to operate Senate committees and other 'inquiries and investigations' is around 3 percent of the total ($137 million of $4.4 billion). And the increase from last year's funding for the 'inquiries and investigations' account is less than 2/10ths of 1 percent of the entire bill."


He adds: "For perspective: all Senate operations funding increased 7 percent, the House funding increased 7.5 percent and the Architect of the Capitol funding increased 28 percent."


UPDATE II: A Democratic leadership aide picks up on the notion that "Republicans aren't getting a dime more," noting that while they aren't getting more, they aren't getting less, either, even though they have far fewer members.


"This would be funny if it wasn't from someone associated with the the so-called party of fiscal responsibility," writes the aide. "This is the height of hypocrisy and utterly fails to acknowledge the fact that in the past, when the spread has been like it is now, the minority party gets far less money than what they eventually got. It was an unprecedented deal that is more outrageous when you realize that they will end up voting against the bill."


Hypocrisy...........sm
Yet the government has the audacity to demand proper accounting of the auto makers, banks, etc., when it doesn't know a debit from a credit.


Hypocrisy, you say? sm
Have you never said that you would not do something and then find yourself in the position where you would have to choose between that something and something far worse? I sure hope not, because I have and it is not a pleasant place to be.

I'm not going to argue the point further, but I would like to say I think it must be wonderful for you and the others who would nail Ms. Palin to the barn door that you live such perfect and blameless lives that you can judge her for her deeds.
Do you really not see the hypocrisy?
The Christian bible also has this fun little book in it called Revelations where it includes a happy little tale about Armageddon where all the right-thinking believers get to rule the earth while the the non-believers meet their doom in a battle royale.

Just to clarify...were you educated in an Islamic school? Or do Christian schools teach that it's okay to hate and condemn groups of people, too?
I can't believe what I'm seeing...the HYPOCRISY is astounding....sm
If a democrat gets in in 2008, they'll be crying again for an exit strategy. True partisanship; they ride whatever wave that's in.
Agree about the hypocrisy going on.
Are you rich and make more than 250K a year?  Are you happy with the way the pubs have used their power for the last 8 years?  Do you know that if JM gets to be prez he will tax your healthcare benefits as part of your income, whatever amount your employer pays towards your healthcare benefits will be counted as part of your income, and that he will give you 5K to pay for health insurance when health insurance costs the average family 14K a year?  Good luck in finding health insurance with $5,000.  The policies of both candidates are listed on their websites. There is stark contrast between the two.
Yes, hypocrisy is breathtaking, but that's
No contest to the concept that children are off limits. But in the aftermath of all that mind numbing controversy, something else was taken off the debate table. Any voter who dares to bring policies on family values, sex education, access to birth control, abstinence and abortion prevention up for inspection will now be portrayed as a child abuser. This not only gives SP and party a distinct head start in the race away from debate on that part of their platform, but it also allows her to now trot them out to olster hone her hockey mom, superwoman, I can have it all and do it all well pitch, all the while, so far, not articlating a single issue or policy.
That's no hypocrisy, its truth (sm)

Look at the previous posts from pubs.  Key words include marxist, communist, socialist, illegal alien, Muslim (like that's a bad word), anti-American, terrorist, and the list goes on.  So, according to your standards, pointing this out is a smear tactic?  At least the McCain campaign actually knows what a smear tactic is.


Not hypocrisy, just facts.
And yes, I do aspire to maybe some day be on that higher road with Gourdpainter, but right now I am too outraged by people like sam and her followers that have fed the fires of intolerance and diviseness.  Besides, this message was for Gourdpainter, not for you!.  Leave it up to you people to take the opportunity to attack anything and everything just because you're sucking on those sour grapes!
Your opinion, so you see it as hypocrisy.
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The ultimate hypocrisy coming from you! nm

The hypocrisy is mind baffling...sm
In the very same week that they come out criticizing the Clinton administration for the VERY same thing. They have a clear shot on 150 Taliban militants and do what - nothing.

Newt Gingrich even said this is equivocal to figthing a part-time war.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
Assessing sincerity vs hypocrisy of
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Hypocrisy is aplogizing and blaming someone else
Voters are tired...real tired...of this party's double speak.
You know, I hate hypocrisy. You want to direct me
back to God's Word?

When you can show me in God's Word where He approves of what Osambo approves, then we can talk.

Let's talk abortion, gay marriage, taxes, lying, cheating, subversion of government, indoctrination of preschoolers, redefining marriage, etc., a whole litany of what Osambo stands for and compare it to God Almighty's Word.

I warn you in advance. You are up against an adversary you do not want to tackle with because you are ill prepared to defend your comments and beliefs in the light of Scripture.

Ready to go for it, old girl?

Let's talk about the Clinton family hypocrisy on...
law enforcement, and then the Kennedy family hypocrisy on law enforcement...if we are going to talk about ANY family and law enforcement in politics...shall we??
And the word is hypocrisy, thanks for proving my point!
Making a generalized statement about the tremendous crowds that Obama draws being moochers is really about the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  You make me laugh!!
Typical Republicant hypocrisy. Ya gotta love it!

He questions "whether encouraging homemakers to become lawyers contributes to the common good," and then he turns around and marries a LAWYER!


This isn't surprising to me at all.  Bush's is doing nothing but taking us backwards in time, whether it regards science or civil rights.  The only area that is moving forward by leaps and bounds and progressing at an alarming rate is the price of gasoline.


Excellent post!!!! The hypocrisy is astounding...Very good info! nm


The pic isn't showing up for me so I am not
sure what one you are referring to, but I have seen video and pics of him saying the allegiance with his hand over his heart. There is a big snopes.com article about the whole thing and follows in line with with Chele said.

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
I think that showing them would....(sm)

definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east.  I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though.  Here's the problem I see.  If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions.  I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway. 


I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is).  If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.


I think that showing them would....(sm)

definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east.  I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though.  Here's the problem I see.  If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions.  I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway. 


I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is).  If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.


your ignorance is showing...

Your ignorance is showing...

Your paranoia is showing again. sm
Some things never change.
Once again, your naivete is showing

There are many, many, many, many roles for non-military folks to assist in Iraq.  I can provide you with the information if you are interested. 


But once again, perhaps your far-far-far right-wing propanda doesn't mention that.


Please refrain from speculating about what I would or would not do....it makes you look very naive and child-like and simplistic in your understanding of the motives and personalities of people you bash on a forum.  You have no knowledge of me, don't know why you pretend that you do.


 


That is how most of the media is showing it....
McCain speaks at every rally also. Same with Obama and Biden. Biden speaks first, then Obama. That is the way they have done it for years. The VP candidate speaks first, then the Pres. candidate when they are at the same venue.
Sounds like he is just showing how
much of a pig he really is.
my ignorance is showing!
Can you tell me what is ACORN? And what are the voter fraud issues with it? Sorry, but I just don't know this stuff and trying to get informed. I found some conflicting info while trying to do some research and alot of stuff I didn't understand so can someone break it down to simple terms for me? Thanks.
Just above your level of showing your
stupidity for trying so hard to appear to be intelligent.
The desperation of the right is TRULY showing now.....sm
but after all that denial and false justification of the Bush years, all the excuses why Bush could not do a darn thing to stop this crisis, WOULD NOT, well, the shame is hard to swallow.
she's showing off the guns...
which do look amazing, probably larger than his!
LOL. Is my defensiveness showing that good...nm

Excuse me but where I live they are showing ...
the RNC. They are giving it as much airtime here on CBS, NBC and ABC as they did the DNC. I'm not paying much attention to either the DNC or RNC (too much like a pep rally but no real substance IMO) but they are showing it at the same times as they DNC was last week.
YOur ignorance and racism is showing
OBAMAJAD? Could your side please give the "he's a Muslim" chant a rest?

Or do you enjoy looking stupid?
I know my ignorance is showing, but what is ACORN? nm
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Well, Stardust, YOUR hatred is showing. You think
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Be careful, your ignorance is showing!
What a stupid judgmental thing to say.  Once again, proves my point about the quality of people supporting McPalin.
Of course they did. But at issue here is showing voters
I did not call you an imbecile. I said your posts are imbecilic. Being a hot-headed Obama supporter, according to the red camp, I have no character to degrade, so evidently I have nothing to lose by calling it like I see it. BTW, I've probably done all the growing I'm gonna do by age 64.
Your Ignorance Of History Is Showing
Please go back and look at the societal accolades Hitler used to make himself the prince of the German people.

You, my dear, are guilty of ignorance of history. And claiming that I have shown "extreme ignorance of history" leads me to believe that you are more into histrionic bashing than actual fact-checking.

Go away and do a bit of research.

You may not like what you see, but at least your lack of education on the subject matter might diminish a bit.
Your the one showing how little you understand about the situation
What part of Hamas and Israel at war don't you understand.

What part of Hamas terrorizing Israel don't you understand.

What part of Hamas slaughtering and killing innocent citizens, women and children don't you understand.

To me it looks like you don't understand any of what is going on over there, therefore should keep your comments to yourself.

I just say thank goodness our incoming President understands it very well.

What was that quote I read that Ben Franklin said "Better to keep one's mouth closed ...".
Showing your true colors?
You are one of the people on this forum who complain the loudest about democrats who voted for President Obama looking for handouts, and here you are looking for a handout. You have got a lot of nerve!
Showing your true colors?
You are one of the people on this forum who complain the loudest about democrats who voted for President Obama looking for handouts, and here you are looking for a handout. You have got a lot of nerve!
I agree with O's decision. Showing this
awful tortures, yes, they were very awful, might endanger the American soldiers, especially if they get caught and might be exposed to the 'same' tortures.
Careful, that reactionary streak is showing.
Now,where did anyone say anything about stripping the rich of their money? Nobody said that and nobody meant it either. That's a grossly paranoid and reactionary tack to take when we were only talking about the rich paying their due share back to society. There are plenty of ways that revenue gets used, such as roads that we all use, upkeep of public lands, payments on national debt, etc. Why SHOULDN'T they pay a fair share for the privilege of living here like the rest of us?

And stop being so all-fired snobby about service industry workers. We NEED people doing those jobs. You talk like they're on welfare when clearly they are NOT - not that they don't NEED to be. Sure they can get more education or find different jobs if they want to - Duh! We all can. What are you so high-falutin' about - you're a transcriptionist?? For your information the rich in the industry consider you an overpaid secretary and are working as hard as they can to scrub you off the board with the help of a president who feels there's just too darned much writin' goin'on in the medical industry and if we could just get rid of all that paperwork it would be great!

And for your additional enlightenment, you ought to be aware that the biggest, baddest welfare bloodsuckers in this nation ARE the huge corporations who receive billions of our tax money each year in the form of incentives, government bonuses, relocation grants, production quotas, bankruptcy bailouts etc - all things that none of us taxpayers would ever qualify for. AND, 60% of major US corporations pay as much tax as your BK employee - absolutely *ZERO*. Now you could argue that the govt. handouts to corps. are necessary to stimulate the economy (even though you'd be wrong considering the amount of flimflammery that goes on at the corporate pig trough)but I would say right back at ya that earned income credit is absolutely VITAL to the welfare of American children. I can't think of any tax break that is more important than one that helps parents raise their kids in better conditions.


Clinton was aquitted. Your fangs are showing.
Very unfortunate that most of you preseverate on the negative.  No president of the United States has ever been squeaky clean, not a single one.
Meowwwwwww aren't YOUR claws showing....
I agree with the half a brain comment tho. :)