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That's no hypocrisy, its truth (sm)

Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-03
In Reply to: Pretty hypocritical - sbMT

Look at the previous posts from pubs.  Key words include marxist, communist, socialist, illegal alien, Muslim (like that's a bad word), anti-American, terrorist, and the list goes on.  So, according to your standards, pointing this out is a smear tactic?  At least the McCain campaign actually knows what a smear tactic is.




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Exactly, it's the hypocrisy!

HYPOCRISY

THE GOP'S FILIBUSTER HYPOCRISY



by: Robert Parry, Consortium News


Though seemingly forgotten by most TV talking heads, it was only three years ago, when the Republicans had control of both the White House and Congress - and "filibuster" was a dirty word.

    It was usually coupled with "obstructionist" amid demands that any of George W. Bush's proposals deserved "an up-or-down vote."


    Yet now, with the Democrats holding the White House and Congress, the Republicans and the Washington press corps have come to view the filibuster fondly, as a valued American tradition, a time-honored part of a healthy legislative process.


    Today, it's seen as a good thing that Democrats must muster 60 votes in the Senate to pass almost anything.


    When the TV pundits talk about Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan squeaking through the Senate, they're actually referring to a vote that might fall in the range of 60 or more yes votes to perhaps 38 no's, a three-touchdown "squeaker."


    The only thing close about the vote is whether the package can overcome a Republican filibuster and get 60 votes for "cloture." To reach this super-majority, Democrats have been forced to accept a higher percentage of tax cuts, even if leading economists consider tax cuts one of the least effective ways of stimulating the moribund economy.


    Yet, this anti-democratic fact about the GOP strategy - that it seeks to frustrate the will of the American majority, which rejected the Republicans and their policies in the last two U.S. elections - is rarely mentioned in the news.


    Nor is the fact that Republicans railed against even a hint of a filibuster when the Democrats were in the minority just a few years ago.


    Back then, when the Republicans controlled everything, the big story was how a threatened Democratic filibuster against, say, one of Bush's right-wing judicial nominations would be met by the Republican "nuclear option" - using a majority-vote on a rule change to eliminate the filibuster permanently.


    For instance, in 2006, when Bush wanted to put Samuel Alito on the U.S. Supreme Court, the move amounted to a direct threat to the Republic. Alito was a staunch believer in the imperial presidency, a promoter of a "unitary executive" who would wield unlimited powers at a time of war - and the "war on terror" promised to be an endless war.


    If confirmed, Alito would join three other justices - John Roberts, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas - who shared his extreme views, and possibly another, Anthony Kennedy, who was considered only slightly more moderate.


    In effect, the Alito nomination raised the specter of five right-wing justices effectively gutting the U.S. Constitution and its checks and balances in favor of Bush's personal rule.


    The Republic in the Balance


    With the future of the American Republic in the balance and Bush short of 60 votes in favor of Alito, a filibuster could have stopped this radical nomination in its tracks and could have forced Bush to select a less extreme nominee.


    Many in the Democratic "base" urged Senate Democrats to use the filibuster at this critical moment - a time when Bush was viewing himself as a new-age monarch and his political aides were fantasizing about a "permanent Republican majority," transforming the United States into a virtual one-party state with the Democrats kept around as a cosmetic appendage.


    As this drama played out, the Washington news media weighed in heavily against a Democratic filibuster, essentially repeating Republican talking points about the need to give the President's nominee an up-or-down vote and bemoaning the anti-democratic nature of the filibuster.


    Republican leaders thundered that any use of the filibuster against Alito or other Bush judicial nominees would force them to go "nuclear" by outlawing filibusters forever. Then, the Republicans could ram through whomever - or whatever - they wanted.


    Rather than call the Republicans' bluff, "moderate" Democratic senators joined a bipartisan group called the "Gang of 14," which agreed to forego filibusters except in "extraordinary circumstances." And despite the alarm of many Americans about Bush's moves to eradicate the Republic, this "gang" did not believe Alito's confirmation reached the "extraordinary" standard.


    So, when a few Democratic senators led by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts tried to mount a filibuster, the Senate Democratic leadership refused to put up a fight, even as their former standard bearer was mocked by Republicans as a "Swiss Miss" for first urging the filibuster while he was attending an economic conference in Davos, Switzerland.


    Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan piled on Kerry at a White House press briefing. "I think even for a senator, it takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort in the Swiss Alps," McClellan laughed.


    In support of his filibuster, Kerry could line up only 25 votes, while the Republicans amassed 72 votes for cloture - a dozen more than the 60 needed to shut off debate. Those votes included 19 Democrats.


    On the final confirmation vote, however, Alito was approved by a much smaller margin, 58-42, meaning that he could have been kept off the Supreme Court if all those who considered him a poor choice had backed the filibuster.


    [As for the fate of the Supreme Court, Justice Kennedy turned out to be less of an extremist than some Republicans had hoped. He joined with more moderate justices in key 5-to-4 opinions that rebuffed President Bush's assertions of unlimited powers.]


    Reversing Majorities


    Despite the timidity of Senate Democrats in the Alito battle, an energized Democratic "base" - joined by Republican constitutionalists - fought on against the "permanent-Republican-majority" dreams of Bush, Karl Rove and the neoconservatives. In November 2006, the Republicans were repudiated at the polls.


    Suddenly in the congressional minority, the Republicans did a flip-flop on the filibuster, discovering the high principles behind the tactic. The GOP used the filibuster routinely in 2007 and 2008 to block Democratic initiatives, especially any challenges to Bush's expansive claims of executive authority.


    Typical of the modern Washington press corps, its leading voices changed, too, joining the Republican chorus hailing the filibuster as an honored tradition of democracy and finding value in the need for the Democrats to muster 60 Senate votes to pass any significant bill.


    Today, the press corps continues in that pattern, forgetting the GOP's earlier contempt for the filibuster and treating its use by the Republican minority against the stimulus bill as normal.


    There are rarely any comments about obstructionism, nor are the Republicans compared to the Southern segregationists who famously used the filibuster to resist civil rights laws in the 1950s and 1960s.


    Given this pass by the press, Republicans are making the filibuster their chief weapon in pressuring Obama and congressional Democratic to accept more of a Republican-style stimulus bill with less spending and more tax cuts, regardless of whether that represents the best hope for the U.S. economy.


    But the stimulus battle is likely to be only the first taste of the GOP strategy to hobble the Obama presidency. The Republicans can be expected to use the filibuster again and again to prevent many of the social and economic changes that the American voters endorsed in November 2008, policies like national health insurance and spending on long-neglected domestic needs.


    In this obstructionism, the Republicans appear to have a powerful ally in the Washington press corps that - with few exceptions - treats the GOP's promiscuous use of filibusters as some responsible application of a time-honored tradition. The press also forgets to remind the U.S. public that just a few years ago, the Republicans hated filibusters.


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Hypocrisy?

Congressional Budget Increased to pay GOP Staffers



February 25, 2009 12:04 PM


A ten percent increase in the budget for Congressional operations was needed because Senate Republicans wanted to retain previous staff levels despite having lost roughly 20 percent of their ranks in the 2008 elections, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Wednesday.


Congressional Republicans have been pouncing on any instance of wasteful spending they can find, but the congressional-operations line item will likely remain safe from their ire.


The one-tenth hike brings the budget for Congress itself to $4.4 billion.


Reid, asked about the increase at a press conference, initially dodged the question, speaking instead about spending in general.


The unsatisfied reporter repeated the question about a ten percent raise for the congressional budget. "How is that going to help get out of the depression?" she pressed.


Don't blame us, said Reid.


"We had a situation -- you should direct that question to Senator McConnell," he said, referring to the Senate Minority Leader, "because we had trouble organizing this year. He wanted to maintain a lot of their staffing even though they had lost huge numbers. And the only way we could get it done is to do what we did. So you should direct that question to Senator McConnell."


A McConnell spokesman didn't immediately return a phone call.


UPDATE: A GOP leadership aide is calling rubbish: "I just don't know how they can get away with blaming us for that 10 percent figure," he writes in an e-mail. "Republicans aren't getting a dime more in committee money for staff than we got last year. The entire pot of funding used to operate Senate committees and other 'inquiries and investigations' is around 3 percent of the total ($137 million of $4.4 billion). And the increase from last year's funding for the 'inquiries and investigations' account is less than 2/10ths of 1 percent of the entire bill."


He adds: "For perspective: all Senate operations funding increased 7 percent, the House funding increased 7.5 percent and the Architect of the Capitol funding increased 28 percent."


UPDATE II: A Democratic leadership aide picks up on the notion that "Republicans aren't getting a dime more," noting that while they aren't getting more, they aren't getting less, either, even though they have far fewer members.


"This would be funny if it wasn't from someone associated with the the so-called party of fiscal responsibility," writes the aide. "This is the height of hypocrisy and utterly fails to acknowledge the fact that in the past, when the spread has been like it is now, the minority party gets far less money than what they eventually got. It was an unprecedented deal that is more outrageous when you realize that they will end up voting against the bill."


Hypocrisy...........sm
Yet the government has the audacity to demand proper accounting of the auto makers, banks, etc., when it doesn't know a debit from a credit.


Hypocrisy, you say? sm
Have you never said that you would not do something and then find yourself in the position where you would have to choose between that something and something far worse? I sure hope not, because I have and it is not a pleasant place to be.

I'm not going to argue the point further, but I would like to say I think it must be wonderful for you and the others who would nail Ms. Palin to the barn door that you live such perfect and blameless lives that you can judge her for her deeds.
Do you really not see the hypocrisy?
The Christian bible also has this fun little book in it called Revelations where it includes a happy little tale about Armageddon where all the right-thinking believers get to rule the earth while the the non-believers meet their doom in a battle royale.

Just to clarify...were you educated in an Islamic school? Or do Christian schools teach that it's okay to hate and condemn groups of people, too?
I can't believe what I'm seeing...the HYPOCRISY is astounding....sm
If a democrat gets in in 2008, they'll be crying again for an exit strategy. True partisanship; they ride whatever wave that's in.
Agree about the hypocrisy going on.
Are you rich and make more than 250K a year?  Are you happy with the way the pubs have used their power for the last 8 years?  Do you know that if JM gets to be prez he will tax your healthcare benefits as part of your income, whatever amount your employer pays towards your healthcare benefits will be counted as part of your income, and that he will give you 5K to pay for health insurance when health insurance costs the average family 14K a year?  Good luck in finding health insurance with $5,000.  The policies of both candidates are listed on their websites. There is stark contrast between the two.
Yes, hypocrisy is breathtaking, but that's
No contest to the concept that children are off limits. But in the aftermath of all that mind numbing controversy, something else was taken off the debate table. Any voter who dares to bring policies on family values, sex education, access to birth control, abstinence and abortion prevention up for inspection will now be portrayed as a child abuser. This not only gives SP and party a distinct head start in the race away from debate on that part of their platform, but it also allows her to now trot them out to olster hone her hockey mom, superwoman, I can have it all and do it all well pitch, all the while, so far, not articlating a single issue or policy.
Not hypocrisy, just facts.
And yes, I do aspire to maybe some day be on that higher road with Gourdpainter, but right now I am too outraged by people like sam and her followers that have fed the fires of intolerance and diviseness.  Besides, this message was for Gourdpainter, not for you!.  Leave it up to you people to take the opportunity to attack anything and everything just because you're sucking on those sour grapes!
Your opinion, so you see it as hypocrisy.
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The ultimate hypocrisy coming from you! nm

The hypocrisy is mind baffling...sm
In the very same week that they come out criticizing the Clinton administration for the VERY same thing. They have a clear shot on 150 Taliban militants and do what - nothing.

Newt Gingrich even said this is equivocal to figthing a part-time war.
Abuse of power/hypocrisy seems to be
What is clear is that, slimy or not, she still used her office in an inappropriate manner to influence the outcome of a family dispute. What's ethical about that? The slimy trooper and the disposition of his divorce/custody case is supposed to be left up to the family courts and it not typically resolved by manipulation and interference by the Governor's office, now is it? Ethically challenged ethics clean-up maiden. Not my idea of a great pick.
Assessing sincerity vs hypocrisy of
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Not deflecting....just showing your hypocrisy.
Acceptable in a Democrat, does not affect his ability to be President...but a Republican is a poon dog.

Takes the air out of the criticism somewhat doncha think?
Hypocrisy is aplogizing and blaming someone else
Voters are tired...real tired...of this party's double speak.
You know, I hate hypocrisy. You want to direct me
back to God's Word?

When you can show me in God's Word where He approves of what Osambo approves, then we can talk.

Let's talk abortion, gay marriage, taxes, lying, cheating, subversion of government, indoctrination of preschoolers, redefining marriage, etc., a whole litany of what Osambo stands for and compare it to God Almighty's Word.

I warn you in advance. You are up against an adversary you do not want to tackle with because you are ill prepared to defend your comments and beliefs in the light of Scripture.

Ready to go for it, old girl?

The truth sounds rude when put bluntly but still is the truth. nm
!!!! hahaha
Let's talk about the Clinton family hypocrisy on...
law enforcement, and then the Kennedy family hypocrisy on law enforcement...if we are going to talk about ANY family and law enforcement in politics...shall we??
And the word is hypocrisy, thanks for proving my point!
Making a generalized statement about the tremendous crowds that Obama draws being moochers is really about the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  You make me laugh!!
Typical Republicant hypocrisy. Ya gotta love it!

He questions "whether encouraging homemakers to become lawyers contributes to the common good," and then he turns around and marries a LAWYER!


This isn't surprising to me at all.  Bush's is doing nothing but taking us backwards in time, whether it regards science or civil rights.  The only area that is moving forward by leaps and bounds and progressing at an alarming rate is the price of gasoline.


Excellent post!!!! The hypocrisy is astounding...Very good info! nm


Liberal truth vs. Conservative truth.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but...It's probably the biggest...sm
reason why I am voting democrat...they seem more honest than the the republicans and it looks like people are starting to get smart and *bailin' Palin*... We don't need to keep hearing her *greatest hits" version of her acceptance speech over and over and McSame's POW story...that was then, this is now...we need REAL change and we need it NOW. I don't need someone to push the red button, I need someone to fix the economy!
Truth? The truth is she is nuts!
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Truth

give me a freaking break, okay?  The truth needs to be posted over and over and over again.


the truth
So true and so well put. 
You could not be further from the truth. NM
...
Now, now, now... let's tell the TRUTH, which is NOT:

His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist).


History IS important.  Check yours.


Phil Donahue is a Catholic.


Where's the truth in the above?

It's just your fantasy of wanting Bush to get caught getting a B.J....and quoting Marey Carey, a former porn star.  Any credibility you had you just flew out the window.


 


 


The truth is that no one really knows the truth about 911.sm
I think their secrecy surrounding the matter is creating oddball theories. I do not know if I would call them a subculture, but I know the 911 truth movement is quite large (millions). This will even be used as a political platform for a few running for office. One that comes to mind is Robert Bowman running for Congress.
Truth.

If you believe –
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God
That Jehovah God is a God of integrity and it is impossible for Him to break covenant because of His character,
That Jesus Christ is our example, and we are to follow Him,
Then there is no Biblical alternative to supporting Israel and the Jewish people.


Are you all nonbelievers here?


We already know the truth. nm
nm.
The truth (as you see it)...sm
Quotes from Mizz Coulter:

Freedom of Speech

* They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment.
o University of Florida speech; October 20, 2005.

Immigration

* I'd build a wall. In fact, I'd hire illegal immigrants to build the wall. And throw out the illegals who are here. [...] It's cheap labor.
o Fox News; The O'Reilly Factor; Transcript via Media Matters; April 14, 2006.
o On illegal immigration


Liberals

* VESTER: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
o (FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6

New York Times

* My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
o New York Observer article; August 26, 2002.

* Of course I regret it. I should have added 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and the reporters.'
o rightwingnews.com; June 26, 2003.
o On her (above) statement concerning Timothy McVeigh

* [Learning difficulties are a cover for] rich parents with dumb kids...That's why 'Pinch' Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, is alleged to have dyslexia - because he's retarded.
o The Independent; August 16, 2004.
o Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., publisher of New York Times

Stevens, Justice John Paul

* We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens's creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.
o Philander Smith College January 26, 2006 [6]

Women

* I think [women] should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
o Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001.

* It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
o [8]; May 17, 2003.

* I think the other point that no one is making about the [Abu Ghraib] abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004.

Voting

* I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
o Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997.

Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition.

* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 194

Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now.

* Slander (2002) ISBN 1400046610, p. 5-6

I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.

* Her column; December 21, 2005
* Governmental responsibility

* We were terrified that Jones would settle. It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president.
o Uncovering Clinton: A Reporter’s Story (1998), pg. 183.
o Paula Jones

* If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [teenage] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns.
o Politically Incorrect; December 18, 1997.
o Heath High School shooting (where a gunman killed 3 students at a prayer meeting at the school). When she said Don't pray, Coulter may have been asked whether she approved of praying in school.

* [A] cruise missile is more important than Head Start.
o From a speech, November 2001, rebroadcast by C-Span in January, 2002.
o Education spending vs. defense spending


The list goes on:
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much. -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration

We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media.

Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.

There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats.

We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.

Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals.

We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.

Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President.

The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.




How about this truth.
All life is sacred or no life is sacred, no exceptions.
Once again, not really the truth

I'm starting to get irked.  What is with all the manipulation of the truth?  Why can't you guys stick with fact?   Nixon denied what he had done, LIED blatantly for a long time until there was so much evidence against him that he FINALLY had to come clean.  Yes, much like Clinton.  I don't need to change historical facts to fit my own agenda like you do, e.g., also the Summerby comment.


Your claims are ridiculous and I don't know why you are making them.  You seem too intelligent for such complete hogwash.  Really.


I don't know why to tell you the truth....
...and I don't think it is a "Republican" site per se. It is definitely a conservative-leaning site. I am not a registered Republican except in primary years. I do not owe my alliegance nor vote to any political party. But I admit, the further left the Democratic party goes, the less likely I will ever vote democratic again. I have in the past. But it is doubtful that I ever will again. But...I digress.

I hear you about the complete bashing and name calling. And yes, you can make your points, counter the points of others, without bashing and name calling. I get angry too, and i think some of the things I see posted here at me...lol. But I get up, walk away, bite my lip, and then try to post after that initial wave of &(A(& passes...lol

Have a good night, kiki :)
Why not tell the truth for once?
You introduce an issue, someone does not agree with you, and then the attacks start. Eight, nine, ten bashing posts to my one. Now who does that seem like is monopolizing the board. THis is not a dem board. It is a political board. You do not tolerate any dissenting opinions. You should really try to actually be democratic...that is your party name after all.
Ain't that the truth!! nm
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Actually he DID tell the truth once...
when he said the big O was not ready to be President as it did not lend itself to on-the-job experience. He hit that nail square on the head.
Here is your truth. sm

Guess Olbermann is wrong about date - JUNE OF THIS YEAR.


 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26798219


not sure how much truth there is to this
i've heard it's not over.. hill may still run with obama
Not quite all the truth ...
Palin didn't kill the bridge to nowhere. She supported it and then, when CONGRESS said NO to it, she still took the money. Just a wolf in sheep's clothing there.

Probably a lot easier to have an 89% to 93% approval rating when you hardly have any residents to please!! LOL

McCain's cheating is just that: Cheating. It's not something you do - it's what you are -- a cheater. Even psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that a person who cheats once is all the more likely to repeat that behavior. Cheating comes in all forms.

So, now if you're gonna forgive McCain's past badddd behavior, you must forgive Obama's past uglies, too.

If you want to hail Palin as some kind of maverick or new breed, make sure you give appropriate kudos to the other side who are doing things in a new light, too.

Oh, and by her a thesaurus. She needs to learn a little new lingo. Tired of every conversation out of her mouth being about the bridge to nowhere (which she supported and then took the money on) and being a maverick (hmmm, wasn't the Wild West full of mavericks who behaved badly and got away with it?) and putting that jet on ebay (which did not sell - someone else had to sell it and it came at a $600K loss in value - a loss to taxpayers) and all the same things in her first speech at the convention. Not a new word since. Not a new original thought since. Bush speechwriters writing for her. LOL


You sure you want to see the truth.....
And, you can't say it was all made up lies. The poor kid standing there pointing out the facts with his own mouth. How sad you think ACORN is such a great group. Look who they take advantage of. Probably the same ones they claim to want to help better themselves. Now, watch carefully....

http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/17703748/detail.html

Thanks for some more truth about
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Well, to tell the truth

I'm not sure if it is the left or the right driving this b/c thing into the ground.  I thought it was the right.  I know I'm sick of hearing the same ole same ole over and over and over.  It has gotten to the point that it just makes me angry.  There may be a few exceptions but I think maybe regular posters find nothing new to discuss so they may just go away.  One poster swore that he/she would keep bringing the b/c issue to the top and by golly, he/she has done so.  I have noticed that when a new topic is introduced there is no one who seems interested in discussing anything not connected with the b/c so that leads me to the above conclusion.  If there happened to be some new information regarding the b/c or lack thereof, I would certainly be interested in reading it but there is not a shred of proof that the b/c is  not legitimate and having examined it on the internet, which is about as close as any of us are going to get, the issue is resolved to my satsfaction.  I just wonder when the group flogging this dead horse will ever give it up and move on.  I enjoy debating issues with fellow MTs but not issues that have already been proven to be nonissues.  I doubt the SC will hear the case brought by that ignoramus lawyer.  If they do they are dumber than him. 


What is it the b/c people want anyway?  Do they think Hillary could just be declared the winner after all?  Do they think McCain should be declared the winner?  Do they want Bush to stay in office?  With this country in such a mess, exactly what is it these people want to have happen?  Someone has to be president, if not Obama, then who?  I might give the whole thing a little more credibility if someone would take the time to explain to me exactly what it is they want to accomplish.....and PLEASE don't insult my intelligence by coming back with "he's not a citizen."


truth
Gourdpainter:  As my father always told us when we were kids - "there are four sides of the truth - your side, the other person's side; and the side no one is telling but most important of all - God's truth, and when you figure out which truth to tell that is right, then you can come and talk to me.."
Just truth
The truth hurts, and anybody who can follow Obama after reading all of the facts checked on him, which are not in his favor and are abundant, really needs to ask themselves why. Obama is making promises he can't keep. Sometimes "change" isn't better. Obama supporters are looking at dollar signs, not using common sense. Come on now! As I said before, I used to follow Obama. I truly wish you would take ALL the facts and really ask yourself why you are voting for this man. Regardless of all the untruths being found about him, he's not experienced enough. Nobody is trying to scare anybody--it is just insanity to me that anybody could follow Obama. Don't get me wrong--I was almost swayed by his "charm," too. Really think about what you're doing here when you check his name on election day. Now look at McCain's strong character, his experience, his moral values (which are in line with our Creator), his patriotism. He puts our country first, isn't making candy promises, is realistic. Like McCain said "You're voting for a President, not a rock star."
You are right and that is truth.nm
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to tell you the truth, I do not know...
I wasn't attacking you, by the way, I just don't think that a lot of people realize that there has already been a proposition about this that passed in California before. I actually think that it is wonderful if it sticks. When I lived in California, I would be so upset to pass many propositions, only to have them overturned. It seems a little against the system.