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Now why doesn't McCain take that approach?

Posted By: Leaning to the left on 2008-10-10
In Reply to: What part of socialism do you not understand? - ..........sm

I've been leaning in favor of Obama these last few weeks and I have to say it's because McCain isn't offering me up any reasons to choose him.  Why isn't he attacking Obama's "socialist" viewpoint instead of just trash-talking.  I don't want to live in a socialist country, but I also have had enough of the Bush years.  Why isn't McCain taking a stronger stance than what he has been. 


While I don't want Obama overseeing our healthcare, I also don't want to pay McCain's taxes on it.  We're already going to see a hike in our taxes from this bailout, which I think both candidates unwisely supported.  Furthermore, I think we need to bring some of our troops back home, unless the Iraqi govt wants to start paying us for having them there.  That war alone is costing us millions.  On the other hand, I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons.  And don't even get me started on Roe versus Wade.  I'm pro-choice, but I'm not pro-mutilating babies that survived abortion.  I believe abortion is a decision that needs to be made before 12 weeks' gestation.  That's just my feeling and I know many will disagree.


And let's not kid each other about Palin.  I personally don't care to be spoken to like I'm a redneck.  It's very patronizing and I don't appreciate it.  When it was first announced that she was the VP pick, I was very interested in learning more about her and also kind of psyched to get a woman in the White House.  But after listening to her address the country, I felt like a kindergartener.  She should find a better way to speak to us as American citizens, not rednecks from the backwoods. 




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McCain doesn't need help looking bad.
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Why doesn't McCain campaign let
her talk to the media!?  Apparently they are afraid of her.
McCain doesn't talk bad about democrats
because he gets his surrogates to do that, don't be so naive.  He's another Bush and his ilk, he's just not as dumb, which is even scarier.
Voting for McCain doesn't make you a republican
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2805&name=Bush-Family-Bankrupt-Companies
One of the things I disagree with McCain...he doesn't know a socialist...sm
when he sees one.

But hey, that falls into his 50% of stuff I don't agree with...hehe



Yeah, I know...if McCain doesn't win the election, he'll probably steal it
The theory behind democracy and two parties is after two terms of one party, the other party comes into office for no more than two terms. It is so the two parties meet in the moderate middle and no extremes of either are reached. Far right and far left wingnuts take the country to such extremes, it destabilizes the masses and civil disorder will erupt due to the stark contrast between the two parties extreme beliefs. Well, I think that as I have viewed all the posts, there is reason to be concerned about the educational system in this country and what people rely on, progress or tradition.

But, bottom line is the country is in a state of turmoil like never seen since 1929 and for that very reason, everyone should want to vote for the other party unless they are wealthy and want tax breaks. Which is always the case.

Home schooling by mothers who aren't able to educate and lackluster teachers have added to this country of people who are so devisive, they appear to hate each other. They say a common enemy brings people together, but even with the corruption before us, lies and deceit by the GOP, costing us all so much for years to come, hasn't done the job. It is pretty hopeless.
No, we take a different approach...(sm)
we torture continuously such that the victim's heart beat goes down to what...35 beats a minute?  Or how about that guy that had bone cancer that they beat continuously and withheld medication....he died by the way.
As we approach this anniversary, please do what you can
http://youtube.com/watch?v=se1xMPresLg
Your approach to promoting your cause is like
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I agree. I think there was a better way to approach this...
and posted an idea from Dave Ramsey that seemed like an excellent one. I do think we have to do something...it has gone way too far now.
But ... but ... that's the sensible approach. What are you doing on this board? LOL
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The school yard bully/"I was here first" approach
is pretty juvenile, don't you think? Besides, it does not hold water. I hate to break this to you, but the Philistines showed up in the region around the same time that the Hebrews did, around the 12th century BC. The history of civilization did not ensue with the Biblical Hebrews and Palestinian presence predates your Moslem invasion era reference. In fact, since the habitation of the region predates recorded history by nearly a million years, there is no way you can gain any traction with that ridiculously juvenile line of thinking. There is no such thing as paleolithic, neolithic or chalcolithic squatters. So, you see, my view of history is not as short-sighted as yours, which does not go back quite far enough, unless you have some special license to begin it "whenever it suits your purpose."

In any case, that is why no viable debate can be had outside the context of modern (i.e., nationalist/political) times. Like I said before, please leave God out of the ungodly. The fact remains that the geographic regions populated by Philistines/Palestinians have stayed relatively intact under all sorts of invasions and occupations, including the Persians, Hellenistic, Hasmonean, Roman, Byzantine, Arab Caliphates, including Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid rule, the Crusades, Mamluk, Egyptian and Ottoman eras....all the way up until the Brits got their hands on it in 1917 and even beyond that for a few decades, until the Partition Plan was instituted. This represents approximately 3147 years of continuous residence. Your finder's keepers thingy applies to both the Hebrew Biblical era as well as modern day fascist Israel. Palestine does not belong to you. Never has. Never will.

Who failed to honor cease fire preconditions by failing to lift the blockade, braniac? Do not try to pretend we are talking about the red rivers of blood from (how few is it now?) the 9 (?) Israeli fatalities. Israel sits on top of generations of their very own road kill.


A "different approach". Go ahead, be weak.
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Bush considered taking Obama's approach last summer
efforts to forge peace in Israel/Palestine.

Bush floated the idea of re-establishing a diplomatic US interests section in Tehran last summer which for the time being has been shelved.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran_no_deal

Here's the no-brainer rule-of-thumb on this topic. If you wwant war, you don't negotiate with opponents. If you want peace, you sit down aat the table.

When evaluating the credibility of this ad, as yourself that basic question..."Who stands to benefit the most" by taking this position? As they have demonstrated over the past 60 years, it is in Zionist's best interest to perpetuate war in their region. They have been able to enrich their nation immensely with US taxpayer dollars and enjoy an uncontested nuclear bully status in the region as the US's most favorite global puppet. The notion that the US would promote peace or stability in the region would diminish their status exponentially and are the last nation on earth that would like to see the US play the disarmament card.
Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm

In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."


Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.


He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.


Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man?  Unless he has the same view of America.


Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
Why are you McCain people so desperate? You are just like McCain. No plan. Just criticism of the
other candidate.  I guess you want the same old thing we have had for the past 8 years.  God forbid McCain win with that wild woman, Palin.
It doesn't appear they are.

It doesn't take all that...sm
If you disagree just state your points. Leave the stupid and fool name calling off. It only degrades the entire conversation and will start a whole new mess. That you may or may not want to be in. I don't know you may want that but since you are on the liberal board don't bash the posts here.
No he doesn't. sm
Rush and David Liimbaugh, along with their mother, are staunch conservatives.  If you are a conservative, a true conservative, Rush espouses a true conservative viewpoint. He doesn't hate liberals.  He loathes me.  There is a difference.  Rush is a big target for liberal talking heads.  His brother is more low key but just as staunchly conservative.  Yes, he makes money with his talk show.  Can you tell me someone who is business to NOT make money.  I can't seem to think of anyone.  As much as I love Rush, he sometimes does get a little out there, but he has never changed his basic conservative principles from his early days in Missouri and I respect him.
He doesn't have to say it...they already are...
worshipping him.
It can mean to you whatever!!! It doesn't
mean you have to say it over and over! You're right, it IS a free country, and I will read AND complain about your posts as much as I like, just like YOU are complaining about everyone else!
Because she doesn't seem to believe it's a

Doesn't say anything about . . .
Republicans and democrats, says liberals and conservatives.
No it doesn't
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Sure gets old, doesn't it?

of course it doesn't
But, chosing not to vote for him just because he is black, does make you a racist. I believe that many folks will vote for McCain for that reason only. However, I also believe some folks will vote for Obama because they don't want a woman VP. Racism and sexism is still pretty widespread in this country.
Doesn't seem right does it?

After all, most employees can be fired at will so why not the politicians?  Aren't they suppose to work for the people.


VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS.


It doesn't get any better than that
You got bashed, adored and even recruited a couple of new citizens! Great post!
CNN doesn't know everything....and
wasn't it Biden who said Obama was not experienced enough to be president months ago before he was chosen as VP running mate for Obama.
No, he doesn't.
in a Christian nation, the idea of addressing poverty inspires racial hatred and outrage, but you would go to the mat to protect your guns. Pitiful.
Unfortunately he doesn't
but knowing my dad he probably gave them a good piece of his mind LOL


And it doesn't have anything to do...(sm)

with the fact that Israel is really Arab land?  How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party.  How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza?  (That would include food, medicine, etc)  I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food.  How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets.  How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll.  How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get?  Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there.  You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?


And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*


And it doesn't have anything to do...(sm)

with the fact that Israel is really Arab land?  How about the idea that Israel didn't even exist as a nation until established by a third party.  How about the fact that Israel has been cutting off supplies from Gaza?  (That would include food, medicine, etc)  I don't know about you, but I tend to get a little testy when my kids don't have food.  How about the fact that the US consistently manipulates people in that region (putting in leaders the US wants, only to take them out again when its convenient), and yet when it comes to Israel, the US has given them money and sofisticated weapons to fight against homemade rockets.  How about the idea that when Iran invaded Iraq the US was all over it, but when Israel does the same thing to Gaza we just give them a green light and ignore the civilian death toll.  How about the idea that oftentimes the US has backed both sides of a war, playing each for what it can get?  Oh, by the way, Israel is not the only democracy over there.  You don't think any of this has anything to do with it?


And if you really want to bring religion into it, how about that all important commandment about *thou shalt not kill?*


Have you noticed how palestinian land keeps getting smaller and smaller?  Is that because the land is shrinking or because Israel is greedy?


 


If he doesn't know what is going on in the WH...
how the hell is he experienced enough to run the CIA? Face it, your chosen one sure can't chose anyone for himself; the Clintons have him so wrapped around their fingers he has to pay back the favors...he is a shill for them.....he will be a one-term president...look at the dems at each other's throats already and he's not even sworn in yet! Ahh, it will be great to see the chosen one fail!
One doesn't have to know her
Personally to see the condescending demeanor she carries. She's a snoot, plain and simple! But did you know that she had never been to Obama's senate apartment in DC because it was too much like a college dorm for her? Now how's that for a snob?
OMG.....who doesn't know

that Bush started out with a surplus and created this huge deficit?  Please....raise your hands if you don't know that because for some reason people continue to think that we DON'T KNOW THIS INFORMATION AND CONTINUE TO POST IT.  Holy friggin cow.....WE KNOW ALREADY.


I can't  change what Bush did.  I wish I could.....but I can't.  All I can do is watch what our government and our CURRENT president is doing now.  Your arguments about Bush creating this deficit doesn't do squat for me when Obama wants to add to this deficit by continued government spending.  President Obama is more concerned about his agenda for creating bigger government than he is cuttin this deficit.  He can't do it.  Sending troops into Afghan......doubling the deficit in just one month's time since he took office.  Some of you people are more concerned about making us all know Bush ran up this deficit (WHICH WE KNOW, BTW) and refuse to see what Obama is doing........spending spending spending spending spending.  You can't buy your way out of debt.  That is like getting one loan to pay another one off or paying one credit card bill with another credit card......it is just plain STUPID STUPID STUPID. 


So please....stop with the.....well Bush created this deficit.....WE KNOW THAT ALREADY.  Now we have to focus on our president now and watch what he is doing.  I'm p!ssed at both pubs and dems.  I'm all for what Chuck Norris said on Glenn Beck last night.....he wants to line up all the unhonest politicians and choke them until they are unconscious.....that includes pubs and dems.  They are all liars.  they are all out for their own agenda.  They care more about their pockets being filled with money and their "pet projects" they keep stuffing into these spending bills.  INSANITY!!!!  To he!! with both parties.  I truly hope that come election time we have an independent that I can believe in because I certainly will not vote for either party.  Screw them both.  If we vote them all out, maybe they will realize how mad we are and that we aren't going to take it.


Instead......all we can talk about is how this is all Bush's fault.  LOL.  Seriously....we all know what Bush did.  Now let's focus on the current president and see what he plans on doing and whether it will help or not.  Right now.....spending money we don't have isn't the answer.  STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!!


That's because O doesn't know what he is doing!
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Now you know why CT doesn't want him
They all voted him in DC so they'd get rid of him in CT. Nobody likes him back there. He's one of the biggest liars and cheats of all time. How long has he been in politics. They need to start putting limitations on how many terms you can run.
But God doesn't say that
So your response is pure nonsense.

And if your going to get into religion please go to the other board.
LOL :-) - sorry that doesn't cut it either
Trying to turn around a situation and make it look as though the people who didn't vote for the anointed ones have drunk the kool-aid???? Sorry, doesn't cut it and your going to have to try to do better than that one. Kool-aid drinkers are the ones that voted for the anointed one totally and blindly. You bought into the lies and didn't even ask questions. People who didn't vote for the messiah are not the kool-aid drinkers, hence the term "kool-aid drinkers".

Unfortunately some of the damage that your lord has done is irreparable. I am asking how many years do you think it will take to fix the harm he has done. That's an appropriate question. Unfortunately it has only been 90 days and I am gathering about 2 years to undo and fix 90 days worth of damage. I hate to see how many more years will be added.
That's because he really doesn't know what's going on.
He's given a written script and if anything varies from what is written, he doesn't know how to answer.
He doesn't tell us to
love their sinful behavior so, YES, you DID miss my point.
Why doesn't this surprise me??

Don't tell her she doesn't have a right to speak

If Cindy Sheehan had the right to spew her feelings Army Mom has that right too.  Works both ways as bad as you HATE it...


Hey, doesn't surprise me
When Carter won one I knew the committee's cheese had completely slid of their cracker.
He doesn't have to veto any of them.

All he does is sign them all with a Presidential statement changing whatever he doesn't like about the law when he signs it, just like he did with the McCain torture bill.  He signed it but amended it to add that he still reserves the right to torture.


He does what he wants, couldn't care less about Congress or Americans.


At least one soldier doesn't











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June 06, 2006

Lieutenant defies Army over ‘illegal’ war

By William Cole
The Honolulu Advertiser


In one of the first known cases of its kind, an Army officer from Honolulu is expected to refuse to go to Iraq this month with his unit, citing what he calls the “illegal” and “immoral” basis of the war, his father confirmed.


The officer, 1st Lt. Ehren K. Watada, 28, son of former state campaign spending commission executive director Bob Watada, is believed to be one of the first military officers to publicly take steps to refuse his deployment orders.







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“My son has a great deal of courage, and clearly understands what is right, and what is wrong,” Bob Watada said yesterday. “He’s choosing to do the right thing, which is a hard course.”


Watada declined further comment until a news conference planned for 11 a.m. tomorrow at the state Capitol. His son is with a Stryker unit out of Fort Lewis, Wash., and is expected to participate by teleconference.


Jeff Paterson, a former Kaneohe Bay Marine who refused to board a transport in 1990 heading to the Gulf War and now works as an anti-war activist with the organization Not In Our Name, said a second news conference will be held in Tacoma, Wash.


On a Web site Paterson said was created by friends and family, the “Lt.” is quoted as saying: “I refuse to be silent any longer. I refuse to watch families torn apart, while the President tells us to ‘stay the course.’ ... I refuse to be party to an illegal and immoral war against people who did nothing to deserve our aggression. I wanted to be there for my fellow troops. But the best way was not to help drop artillery and cause more death and destruction. It is to help oppose this war and end it so that all soldiers can come home.”


Ehren Watada apparently sought in January to resign his commission, and later asked again and was denied.


Watada, who is not seeking conscientious objector status, but rather has moral objections to the Iraq war, faces the possibility of a court-martial, dishonorable discharge and several years in prison if he refuses the war orders.


According to the GI Rights Hotline, a conscientious objector has a deeply held moral, ethical or religious belief that it is wrong to kill another human being in war.


Some service members discover that opposition after joining the military, and are discharged, the organization said.


Watada doesn’t qualify as a conscientious objector because he does not oppose all wars.


Watada graduated from Hawaii Pacific University in 2003, joined the Army shortly after, went to Officer Candidate School, and incurred a three-year obligation.


The Hawaii man is with the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry, at Fort Lewis. The unit is part of a larger 3,600-soldier Stryker brigade combat team similar to a unit being developed in Hawaii with about 300 eight-wheeled armored vehicles.


The Fort Lewis brigade is heading to Mosul in northern Iraq, and the soldiers are expected to leave this month and into July.


At a farewell ceremony on Friday, I Corps and Fort Lewis commander Lt. Gen. James Dubik, a former Schofield Barracks commander, said that of 299 million people in the United States, only 2.3 million serve in uniform to defend the nation, the Olympian newspaper reported.


“Less than 1 percent of the nation is carrying 100 percent of the burden of this war,” Dubik said.


But in a sign of increased opposition to the three-year-old Iraq war, anti-war activists demonstrated at the Port of Olympia after Stryker vehicles drove there for shipment, the Olympian reported.


Police used pepper spray on about 100 activists, and 22 people were arrested in one of the more volatile confrontations, the newspaper said.


Paterson, 38, who in 1990 alleged that the Gulf War was about profits and oil in the Middle East and sat down on the tarmac at Kaneohe Bay instead of boarding a transport, said he’s not sure of the number of Iraq or Afghanistan war objectors.


Cases that resulted in court-martial include a Navy sailor sentenced to three months of hard labor for refusing to board a ship headed to the Persian Gulf, a specialist in the National Guard given 120 days in a stand against fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a soldier sentenced to 15 months for refusing to deploy to Iraq a second time.


Robert Arakaki, the 83-year-old president of the 100th Infantry Battalion Veterans group, who saw combat in Italy in 1945, yesterday said Watada “owes the country a lot.”


There “should be some kind of good explanation” for why Watada wants out, he said, and Arakaki takes issue with claims of an immoral and illegal war.


“Who determines what is legal or illegal? Him or our government? Not him,” Arakaki said.


Retired Navy Cmdr. Jack Miller, past president of the Hawaii chapter of the Military Officers Association of America, said “there’s always been the problem of following orders. This time is no different.”


“Being a Vietnam veteran, we went through this,” said Miller, 72. “The rest of the load had to be shared by those willing to follow orders and serve their country.”


Dependable, loyal officers are needed, and “if one doesn’t fit that qualification, a bad apple will contaminate the barrel. He (Watada) should be punished in some way,” Miller said. “You don’t want someone over there in Iraq who’s not going to willingly follow orders. That’s dangerous.”




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Again, this just really doesn't bother me.
Having lived all over the world, I consider myself lucky to be here.  I don't see this as a big deal.  But then, that's me. 
It doesn't matter when. sm
The bill is about when and not now, meaning NOW, prisoners taken in war are dealt with by us.  The bill is about when Iraq becomes a full democracy and has nothing to do with who cares most about the soldiers.  This just caught my eye on the menu because it is wrong headed. And, if it were true, the media would be headlining it.  They aren't. 
Makes ya wonder doesn't it? (NT)

:-(