Obama supporters are not only close, they

• What is going to happen to these rabid republicans - when Obama wins?
  • Don't count your chickens before they are hatched - kd
    • obama's voting record on taxes - Amanda
  • McCain - me
    • McCain is trying to reveal the truth about - sm
      • mccain/truth - sosogohome
    • U R right...and when it happens, they will scramble - around tring to blame O for that too.
  • How do you know who is going to win????...sm - ms
    • Steady polls, electoral map, environment, - Incumbent party, impotent pub campaign for starter
    • Yeah, and didn't Michelle just tell us to judge Obama on his actions? sm - indy
  • Probably do everything they can to keep this country - interesting......sm
    • We're already there. Don't you get that? - down so long, it looks like up to me.
      • How do you get up when you've been taxed to the - gutter and led by the nose? nm
        • American history 101. FDR. Remember him? - No amount of insult will change the fact that
          • Roosevelt is the reason we're in this mess - I do know history 101,,,, sm
  • we'll just go down the tubes with the rest - of the country. nm
  • I just think this is laughable. - Chele
    • What's laughable is the notion that the pubs - are experts on character. sm
  • We'll all be broke with no more freedom (nm) - Just like you will be
    • We are broke now in an economic meltdown and - re "fellow prisoners" stuck in a..sm
  • After seeing that McCain rally yesterday I am...sm - oldtimer
    • they are frightening but I just keep praying - MTPockets
    • what about that - congregation
      • I agree. That congregation was - Chele
    • It is very scary to see the way these crowds of people. . - badpenny
      • What a hypocrite you are...... - interesting......sm
        • You say left-wing media paints a pretty . . - badpenny
          • Media didn't have to do a thing....everyone could hear - it for themselves.....nasty
          • Obama supporters are not only close, they - are worse............sm
      • i had NO idea that was said - now that's sad/ nm
  • what choice - me
    • when and if that happens - dnh
      • Sounds like you got it all figured out . . . - badpenny
        • It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm) - Genie
        • it's the OP with the crystal ball - dnh

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What do you say we all switch and vote a dirty old maverick into the White House?

Sorry, just felt the urge to be an @$$. 

I don't normally post on this board, I stay over on the MT boards, but I have one thing to say from my heart:  Please remember that you reap what you sow.  All of the years of the Bush-bashing from the left...it was always "okay" to do that because Bush is an "imbecile" or whatever other hateful names he was called.  You didn't agree with his policies, etc.  So let's bash him.  Forget that he is a human being with people who love him.  I believe he did the best he could with what he had to work with in terms of faulty intelligence given to him and the unimaginable stress of being the Leader of the Free World. 

Well, now the tables have turned.  I, personally, do not intend to bash Obama until he does/does not do something I disagree with, but when the time comes that some people might have the gall to disagree with something Obama does and refer to him in a negative way by calling him names or otherwise, please remember how it was *okay* for the left to do it to Bush.  Just remember that.  The time will come when the hateful negativity comes back on you with a vengeance. 

Thanks for listening. 

While you guys are here on this page engaging it "silly season semantics", we Obama supporters are working our plan to ensure that we get this wonderful man of the people in office.  Has Senator McCain given his supporters any ideas on what they can do to try to help put him in office?  Most of the 90,000+ people at the Democratic convention are right now working the plan (not to mention the millions of us who watched from home!)  You guys need to wake up and give your support to someone who will work for you rather than against you in Washington. 

The only thing wrong with being wrong is stubbornly clinging to your wrongness.  You probably voted for our current president 4 and 8 years ago.  The deplorable condition that our nation has fallen into over the course of the last 8 years makes me know I must do everything possible to avoid 4 more.  I, and millions like me, are so happy that Senator Obama chose to use his awesome intelligence, skills and experience of working with people to help us help ourselves.  We are an unstoppable force.  Better get on board, folks. 

and bar owners really do not care about the danger the city could be in because of the legislation passed allowing bars to stay open 24/7 for 4 days.  I would think that safety would be a concern, but you just proved me wrong. 

While I can see the controversy about when life begins when we are talking about the very early stages of development, I have this question for anyone who has ever had a child....or been one.  Generally when a mother is about 20 weeks pregnant, give or take a couple of weeks, she starts to feel the baby moving around inside her body. The baby moves more and more as the weeks go by.  Toward 30 weeks or so, you can actually feel the baby changing positions to get more comfortable, moving around.  So you are saying that baby I felt moving in my body wasn't alive yet? 

By MEG KINNARD | Associated Press Writer
9:04 PM EST, November 13, 2008
 
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) _ A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"Father Newman is off base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

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St. Mary's Catholic Church: http://www.stmarysgvl.org/

his watch every few minutes.

Going a step further, maybe this will help explain.

The Amish are fundamentalist Christians who govern entire communities by religious principles. They are also completely nonviolent, do not seek converts, and will live in harmony with neighbors who are not of their faith. 

The Branch Davidians were about as fundamentalist (to their own sect) and out-there as you can imagine.  They did have a program of conversion, some would say there were instances of forced conversion.  They fortified their headquarters and stockpiled weapons for what they perceived as impending government attack against them, but still never tried to overthrow the government.

There are fundamentalist Christian groups who are violent on single issues (bombing abortion clinics, for instance) or who are intolerant on single issues (racial  purity or ''God hates fags'').  Still, can we name any organized umbrella under which an intolerant and violent coalition of Christian fundamentalists advocates the overthrow of government, conquest of non-Christian countries and replacement of all secular law with religious law?  That would be the Christian equivalent of Islamism.

All Islamists are fundamentalist Muslims.  All fundamentalist Muslims are NOT Islamists.