Oh good grief....Bill Maher will say ANYthing...

• Oh good grief....Bill Maher will say ANYthing... - sam
  • I have been watching closely, too. - Yo
    • Ok....I just thought it was in kinda bad taste. - sam
  • Ever heard of a thing called independet: - Anon
    • Fine. I just thought it was bad taste, and I am no Obama fan. - sam

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and Franklin Raines gets a over a million per year in "retirement..."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/28/national/main663502.shtml

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Personal Story" segment tonight, political humorist Bill Maher (search), he has a new book out called "New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer." Of course, Mr. Maher is about as polite as I am and as timid as Dracula. He joins us now from Los Angeles.

You know, you've had some celebrities on your HBO show, "Real Time," which begins again on Friday, talking about policy and war on terror and stuff like that. I get the feeling they don't know very much, but you do. So I'd like to make Bill Maher, right now, the terror czar. Bill Maher, the terror czar. Could be a series.

How would you fight this War on Terror? How would you fight it?

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME": I think the first and most important thing is to get the politics out of the War on Terror. You know, maybe I'm a cockeyed optimist, Bill, maybe I'm naive, but I thought that 9/11 was such a jarring event that nobody would dare return to business as usual on that one subject after that.

But of course, we found out that nothing could be further from the truth. And your president, my president too, but the one you voted for...

O'REILLY: You don't know that. Were you looking over my shoulder there? I could have voted for Nader. I could have voted for Kerry, but Kerry wouldn't come on the program, so I wouldn't vote. But I could have gone for Ralph. Ralph's a friend of mine.

MAHER: Yes. Anyway, I said the guy you voted for, President Bush, you know, how come this guy, who was supposed to be such a kick-and-take- names kind of guy, how come he has not been able to get the politics out of this?

You know, as a guy who's been accused of treason, I'll tell you what real treason is: Treason is when legislators vote against homeland security measures because it goes against the wishes of their political or financial backers. Treason is the fact that, as a terrorist, you could still buy a gun in this country because the NRA (search) lobby is so strong.

O'REILLY: OK. But you're getting into the political, and I agree with you. I think that the country should be united in trying to seek out and kill terrorists, who would kill us.

But I'd like to have some concrete things that you, Bill Maher, the terror czar — and take this seriously, this could be a series — what would you do?

All right, so you've got bin Laden. You've got Al Qaeda (search). You've got a bunch of other lower-level terrorist groups. What do you do to neutralize them?

MAHER: OK. Well, first of all, you discounted my answer, which is get the politics out, but OK.

O'REILLY: Well, assume you can do that. They're gone.

MAHER: We'll let that go. Keep going. I wouldn't worry that much about bin Laden. I mean, capturing bin Laden at this point, it doesn't really matter whether he's dead or alive. He's already Tupac to the people who care about him and work for him. Capturing bin Laden, killing him would be like when Ray Kroc died, how much that affected McDonald's.

O'REILLY: It would be a morale booster. But I understand. You're not going to send...

MAHER: A morale booster, right. Well, we've had plenty of morale boosting. We've had plenty of window dressing. What we need is concrete action.

In the book I wrote before this one about terrorism, I suggested that we have a Secret Service for the people. I said whenever the president goes anywhere, he has very high-level, intelligent detectives who look around at a crowd. They know what they're looking for. They're highly paid. They're highly trained.

We don't have that in this country. We should have that. We should have a cadre of 10,000 highly trained people who would guard all public events, bus stations, train stations, airports — and stop with this nonsense that this robotic sort of window dressing...

O'REILLY: OK, so you would create a homeland security office that was basically a security firm for major targets and things like that. It's not a bad idea. Costs a lot of money. Costs a lot of money. It's not a bad idea.

MAHER: Costs a lot of money compared to what? If you paid 10,000 people a salary of $100,000 a year, that would, I think, cost $10 billion or something. That's nothing. There's that much pork in the transportation bill before you get...

O'REILLY: Yes, 10,000 wouldn't do it, but I get your drift.

MAHER: Whatever it costs.

O’REILLY: You would create a super-security apparatus. OK, that's not bad. That's not bad. How about overseas now?

MAHER: What we need to do is what I call get Israeli about this. Because the Israelis are not afraid of profiling. The Israelis are not afraid to bury politics in the greater cause of protecting their nation. We don't act that way. You know, I'm afraid 9/11 really changed nothing.

O'REILLY: Boy, your ACLU (search) pals aren't going to like that. You're going to lose your membership card there.

MAHER: I'm not a member of the ACLU.

O'REILLY: Oh, sure you are, just like I voted for Bush. You're a member of the ACLU. I can see the card right in your pocket there.

MAHER: Bill, I'm not a joiner. I'm not a joiner. I don't like organizations.

O'REILLY: They won't have you, Maher, let's be honest about that. All right, now, in your book, which is very amusing, by the way — if you want a few laughs buy Maher's book.

MAHER: Thank you.

O'REILLY: You take some shots at FOX News, which is your wont, and I just want to know why you think we're so fabulously successful here.

MAHER: Well, I think that question has been answered many times. It's because the conservative viewer in this country, or on radio the conservative listener, is very predictable. They like to hear what they like to hear. They like to hear it over and over again.

O'REILLY: All the surveys show that the viewers are all over the map. They're not conservative in a big bloc. Some of them are moderate. Some of them are Democrats. Some of them are Moroccans. I mean, they're everywhere. That's your analysis? That just the conservatives watch us?

MAHER: Well, I think mostly the conservatives do watch you. That's not to take anything away from what you guys have achieved over there. It's a very well-produced broadcast, and they have excellent personalities like yourself, Bill. Who could resist watching you when you get home from work at night?

O'REILLY: Whoopi Goldberg, maybe? I don't know.

MAHER: Yes.

O'REILLY: Anyone who doesn't watch here is misguided. We identify them as such.

But look, I think there's more to it than — you're in TV. You know the ratings game. I mean, if you don't provide a product that is satisfying people, no matter what your ideology, they tell you to take a hike.

There's a guy over at MSNBC. He's a very conservative guy. He was hired and nobody's watching him. They hire liberals. Nobody watches them. Air America (search). Nobody's listening to it.

I mean, there's got to be a reason why we're No. 1, a punch line for you, and No. 2, you know, becoming the most powerful news network in the world.

MAHER: Well, I think, as I say, it's a well-produced product. You know, your program moves along, always at a clip that never seems to bore. You know, you move along to the next topic, the next guest. It never sort of drags. I don't think a lot of people know how to produce that stuff that way.

O'REILLY: All right. It's bells and whistles and my charming personality. That's what I thought it was.

Last thing: You know, one thing I like about Maher is he's not a hypocrite. He drives a little hybrid vehicle. Right? You putter around there. Does it have training wheels? What's it like?

MAHER: Actually, I had the Prius hybrid for three years. I was one of the first ones to get it right after 9/11. And I traded it in a few months ago for the Lexus hybrid.

O'REILLY: I think we should all cut back on our energy consumption, and I think we should all get these hybrids as fast as we can.

Hey, Bill, always nice to see you. Thanks very much. Good luck with the season on the TV show.

MAHER: Continued success there, Mr. No. 1.

O'REILLY: All right. Thank you.

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He stated the American people have complained for 8 years how they hate the garbage we have been forced to eat.  It is highly unlikely that in November we would say, "Please, serve us more!"

I agree.  It doesn't have anything to do with whether I think McCain or Obama either one can actually do the job.  Their word and position choices are made right now based on whether it will help them in the election, not truly whether they feel passionate about the causes they are hailing.  In fact, their pasts demonstrate differently. 

Their parties' actions are what I have to look at.  I am tired of the Republicans running us into the ground to make their millions at the expense of the very working class who put and keep them in business. 

I'm tired of what the Republican party has put on the plate to feed us for 8 years straight.  Let's get a new chef!  

There is no contest there.  The fact is William Bennett didn't deserve to be chastised and the fact that you still refuse to see that is glaringly apparent.  You see what he said as racist because you WANT to.  There is no other reason.  And that's too damn bad.  As I stated, I am mixed race.  I grew up with a whole lot of prejudice from BOTH sides, but I also grew up with parents who taught ME not to BE a racist.  People who look for racism in every single statement are what is dividing this country.  Any African-America who speaks up for Bennett will be labeled an Uncle Tom.  It has already happened. It makes me sick.

Wouldn't you say the mindset of the young depends on the conditions and need for the war? 

I was talking about a mindset in general, Teddy.  You do not read my posts.  You pick a part that irritates you out of context and do not read the whole thing.  The mindset in the 40s was one of patriotism and fighting for your country, for freedom, for good if you will.  They also had a sense of honor and a sense of duty, and I am not sure you feel either.  However, I am sure that in every conflict there are those who do not agree completely with the reason they are sent.  But they go.  Because that is what they signed up to do.  Because that is what you do....your duty.  Because you are honorable.  But since you cannot or will not grasp that, talking to you is useless.  That was somehow lost from the 40s to the 60s, and THAT is what I was talking about.  You just read it the way you wanted to read it.  SO be it.  I was not condemning anyone.  They were the product of their generation and of liberal indoctrination in public schools.  That is an opinion, not a condemnation.  I already said in another post that I did not blame draft dodgers for dodging or running to Canada.  That is hardly condemnation.

 That is what I was alluding to.

Pardon me if I cannot always figure out what you are *alluding* to.

In condemning this generation with their lack of morals you are also condemning soldiers in Iraq, I assume?  My belief is that if this country ever found itself in a dire situation that our young people would respond as needed.  Call me an optimist.  I cannot condemn a whole generation based on my version of what is moral and what isn't. 

Again with the condemnation.  I did not condemn anyone.  Again with the inflammatory rhetoric.  I for one wish you would give the rhetoric a rest and just make your point.

As to the young people rising to the occasion....what in the world makes you think that those protestors in Washington would pick up throw down that sign and pick up a gun if we were attacked?  We WERE attacked.  On 9-11.  And how cavalier you are to just totally discount that and relegate those 3000 people to an oops.  The fact that did not start a deep anger at someone who would do that deep in your belly...well....I will not even go there.

 I would say sending soldiers to die in an unnecessary war is immoral.  

I would agree with you if I thought this war immoral.  I do not.  I thought it immoral to kill 3000 people in one day.  I find it immoral that you DO NOT find it immoral that 3000 people were killed in one day.  That you can discard that little fact and those people like yesterday's news.  LIke it never happened.  Or to suggest that it was an *inside job.*  I find that not only immoral, I find it, to use your words, *sick* and repugnant.

Lack of care for our country's poor and sick is immoral.

Lack of care of our country's poor?  We have more social programs for the poor than any other nation on earth.  Not only do we take care of our own poor, we try to take care of the poor in all over the world as well.  I hardly call that immoral.  If you think more needs to be done, take some homeless into your house.  Open a soup kitchen.  Hand out birth control to the third generation welfare families.  Give a job, not just a check.  Lobby for THAT in Washington.  Carry signs for THAT. 

 Little kids starving in our country is immoral.

Again, Teddy, there are programs out the kazoo to feed kids.  It is not my fault that food stamps are used to buy things other than food to feed the kids.  You should lobby to stop the graft in the programs that exist instead of complaining that there are not enough programs.  But that would actually mean getting involved, wouldn't it?.  

Our treatment of minorities and your condemntation of all liberals is immoral. 

Again with the condemnation.  Giving an opinion is not a condemnation.  And the incessant all liberals...  Please.  It is easy to group together, as I said, because you all sing the same song.  And having an opinion is not condeming anyone.  Belitting, bashing, holier-than-thou attitude IS condemning.  And you do it constantly.

I believe that not only is abortion immoral, but many other things, too. 

You may also blindly support our military, no matter what it is sent to do.  I don't.  I'm not a fool. I will not comment on that, lest I be banned.

 I would not have supported our military slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Native Americans in the 1800s, or supporting the slavery trade indirectly.  I would have applauded and supported any soldier who went AWOL, any demonstration against this military action.  Unlike you.

What does this conversation have to do with military slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Native Americans?  And to intimate that I would support that....I am of Native American ancestry and I do not feel I have been mistreated.  I cannot change the past, but I can certainly try to learn from it.  You seem incapable of doing that, and that makes sense, when it has been rewritten in the schools and...enough of that.  I am talking to the wall.

 As to supporting the slave trade indirectly.....do not know what you mean, but the Democrats supported the slave trade directly and vigorously.  And it took the Republicans from the Civil War until the Civil Rights Act LBJ finally signed to make that right, despite strong Democrat resistance.  There is one for you to be proud of.

Yes, you are correct.  I would not be proud of a soldier who went AWOL.  However, I would not condemn him either.   I have said so on this board before, you just did not read or refuse to remember it.  All I said on this board regarding THIS war and THESE troops was, this is a war that our Congress authorized, that our President sent troops to fight, and we owe those troops our support.  They are there out of honor and duty.  If you have a problem with the decisions made that put them there, go ahead and castigate Bush, but castigate the Congress too, because it is as much their fault as the President's that soldiers are in Iraq.  DO NOT castigate the mission, because when you do, you are castigating the soldiers.  I did not agree with the dodgers and the runners in the 60's either.  But I did not then, nor now, condemn them as you so eloquently keep putting it.

But you see, I have common sense. 

Well, I beg to differ.  To me you have zero common sense.  So it is a matter of opinion, again. 

I cannot argue or debate with  someone who doesn't have it. 

My thoughts exactly.

 You have a blinding anger toward Democrats and liberals. 

You keep saying that.  I have no blinding anger toward anyone.  Your anger at me blinds YOU, and you go off on a rant at everything I post.  If I was standing in front of you, you would probably slug me. 

 You have no use for the truth.  

The truth....now there is a relative term in your world.

 I am sure this is not the first time you have been told this.

The rest of your post is so twisted and lacking common sense, even to insulting a person for reading books (heavens, we wouldn't want to educate ourselves -- another fear of the conservative posters) that it isn't worth my time to answer. 

I did not insult you for reading books.  All I asked is did you have an opinion that was your own.  You answered my question...a big resounding NO. 

Please read Lurker's post.  You will deny it's accuracy, I'm sure.

As far as Ann Coulter, someone posted that the liberals had written and said terrible things also.  Indeed they have.  But Ann's article was posted on the conservative board as a fine and shining example of conservative wit and intelligence.  In reality, it was one of the smuttiest and sickening things I have read in a long time. 

You posted a couple of pretty smutty remarks yourself, Teddy.  You are attacking me like I am your mortal enemy instead of another American just posting my opinions.  Which I have the right to have, if you remember.  As I have said on numerous occasions, I do not always agree with the way Ann Coulter says things.  But she is no more virulent than you have been, and would be, if you were not constrained by the moderator. 

I don't recall any liberal posters crowing over such liberal trash on this board.  They seem to be a pretty moral group over all, and a group that's got a lot of common sense, most of all.

Well, you have a short memory.  Before they were moderated, there was a lot of trash, hateful, nasty, smutty you name it posted over there and there was a lot of crowing....until the board monitor said that kind of thing would no longer be tolerated.  But, IN MY OPINION, that is another thing that many leftists/liberals/Democrats/whatever they are calling themselves this week who post here have in common....selective memory.

Some anonymous person writes an article and you believe every word of it.  Come on.  Clinton has made some perceived racial comments lately.  Let it go. 

Now we're gettin' the bloody biographies of the guy and girl who don't even belong the designated group for this board.  I beat my breast and cry with horror, "will this too-much-information  never end?"

Do you people even understand what the term *discussion* means?

No, I didn't start the "i don't like people who disagree with me" thing.  I simply pointed out another point of view.  Why?  Because this board is for political discussion.  If we all agreed on everything, there wouldn't be much to talk about now would there?  I believe both of you have missed 3 important points in this thread.

1.  Arguing is not conducive to discussion.

2.  For every video such as the one posted by the OP, there is another one just like it (from a soldier) with the opposite opinion, as well as information concerning the lack of information provided to active troops.

3.  My posts are FOR our troops in that I would like to see them come home instead seeing them (as well as Iraqi civilians) die because of people making up more excuses for an unjust war.

calm down with ALL THE CAPS AND the !!!!!!!!!  You're going to have a spasm.

Who cares if he was talking about how she looked or if it was her voice.  Either way, he was insinuating that she was a witch.  It was rude and obnoxious -- which his normal for him.  Do you think that was an okay thing to do?

The thing that you can't seem to get is that Sarah Palin has absolutely nothing to do with it, and whether or not this other girl defended Palin has nothing to do with it.

I bet you have a picture of Bill-O on your night stand, doncha?  You can admit it.  We won't laugh at you too much.  LOL.

This IS scary!

I keep hearing how our soldiers are fighting so Iraqis can be free like Americans. 

I wonder if anyone bothered to tell them what the Bush definition of freedom really is.  Obviously, nobody really bothered to tell Americans. 

read any cases he cited myself because this is a very gray area  and I would like a better understanding of the law.

Excuse me for asking for cases.     

I am quite sure that if that tape t actually even exists it shows absolutely nothing that would be of value for John McCain.  What I would like to know more about is McCain chairing the organization that gave millions to the same organization that allegedly Obama was "palling" with. 

I've been "palling" with MTs for nigh onto 50 years and for the most part I've found they are very inquisitive, read a lot and speak with some sort of rational arguments.  What on earth is the world coming to.  It's like a broken record....Ayers....terrorists....socialism....shady "tapes"....and not an iota of proof of any of it.