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Petition as FBI and CIA still does not have proof.

Posted By: middle class on 2008-11-02
In Reply to: Obama is a natural-born American...see message - McCain supporter

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/


 




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The proof is in the pudding - and there is no proof......no WMDs....nm
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Proof, my dear, proof. s/m
Give me one shred of evidence that Obama is planning to "steal" from one hand to give to another.  If you have heard HIM say that, then tell me where I can find it.  If not, may I suggest a hearing check-up?
And there is a petition that is out
about O being born in Hawaii or not.  My aunt in Michigan talked to the FBI (well actually everybody, CIA, State Department, etc) for 2-1/2 hours on the phone.  Finally, the FBI called her back and stated they are still looking to see if Obama is a natural US citizen.  Obama only shows passport and not BS.  The FBI is trying to get this done before the 4th and if it is after the 4th and Obama is not a US citizen, then he could be impeached.  That is what my aunt was told as of this last Friday. 
I will gladly sign this petition.

But am I the only one who finds it disgraceful that Americans are reduced to BEGGING this president, via a petition, to PLEASE do SOMETHING to help keep Americans safe? Every other word out of his mouth has to do with the "war on terror" (or whatever his phrase de jour currently is).  Yet, after four years, he STILL couldn't care less if our borders are secure.


This is not a new issue.  This is what some of us on these boards have been saying for a long time now.  After 9/11, experts in terrorism said we MUST secure our borders.  Instead, Bush chose to spend billions of dollars on his war against Iraq and throwing Americans to the wolves.


As I said, I will gladly sign this petition, not believing for a nanosecond that it will do any good because this president simply doesn't CARE.  And all that does is give me one more reason to loathe and despise him, and it increases the personal terror I feel daily at the fact that our safety lies in his thoroughly incompetent, ignorant, uncaring hands.


And your response is a link to a petition?
Point in case
Petition for Bush War Crimes
We the undersigned citizens of the United States hereby formally petition you to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute any and all government officials who have participated in War Crimes.

These crimes are being euphemistically referred to as "abusive interrogation techniques" by such respected figures as Senator John McCain. These are euphemisms for torture. Torture is a War Crime. Waterboarding is a War Crime. The CIA has admitted waterboarding detainees. Recently, Vice President Cheney has brazenly admitted authorizing the program that led to waterboarding, other forms of torture too numerous to list, and ultimately, the deaths by homicide of detainees.

As Major General Antonio Taguba, the Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison has stated:

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

The Washington Post recently summarized the Senate Armed Services Committee Report on detainee treatment thusly:

A bipartisan panel of senators has concluded that former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top Bush administration officials bear direct responsibility for the harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and that their decisions led to more serious abuses in Iraq and elsewhere.

We the undersigned citizens demand a full and thorough investigation immediately upon your taking office. This investigation should be pursued no matter where it may lead and no matter what the political implications may be. To this end, we remind you that you work not on behalf of or for the President or the Congress, but for the People of the United States of America and for Justice itself.

The United States is a representative democracy. The actions of our government officials are done in the name of its citizens. War Crimes have been committed in our name. Torture has been done in our name. The only way to clear our name of War Crimes is to repudiate them through the aggressive prosecution of each and every person involved to the full extent of the law through the appointment of a Special Prosecutor.


LOL! A petition..what a joke.. I would like to sign
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Okay. Where is the petition to fire that CNN reporter
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HMMMM...over 16,000 signed petition
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Online petition to stop government takeover of

health insurance.


http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com/


Proof

 I have seen pictures on all the cable news stations of the women in their Birkas and the Taliban striding by with their AK47s. The stories go The Taliban is back, stronger and more organized than ever. The president of Afghanistan is resigning one term was enough. The opium trade has done better this year than any year previously.  I pick this stuff up everywhere, TV, radio, magazines...


As for Lamont, do I think his win means everything will change? Of course not. What it meant and what it emphasized was the presence and strength  of grassroots organizations, blogs. For some of us this is the only power we have.  For some people they can vote in every election and their vote will never count. If you are in a definite, forever and ever amen red or blue state, if you are the opposite color your vote will not count ever. Your states votes will go to the same party it has always gone to.  The Lamont win gives us some hope that we the people can vote again and have it count, not to mention just be counted...but that is another story. Secondly it put the spotlight on the fact that people are really sick of this war and the incompetent way it has been handled.  The war will be a big issue in 2008.


Rabid hatred of Bush...I feel nothing towards Bush at all. He is a benign, hapless puppet. He pretty much does what he is told by his handlers. Now, Rove, Cheney...there are 2 fat bald guys I really dislike.


But where is the proof? sm
Where is the proof that a Republican president raped anyone?  The fact is, I never heard those stories.  The burden of proof is on the person making he accusations.
Once again...proof that no one
wishes to make an actual list just to see how very little experience Obama has.  So just keep spatting about Palin and ignoring the fact that Obama has less experience.  Such denial.
Here is the proof...........sm
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:

* Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
* Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
* Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
* Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

"I think we're going to need a second stimulus. Part of my commitment is to make sure that the stimulus includes a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans. It may be the first bill I introduce."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/31/obama.blitzer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

the Tax Foundation estimates that there will be 47 million tax returns with zero income tax liability in 2009 under current law. That's one-third of all tax returns, and those 47 million tax returns represent 96 million individuals.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23631.html

So here we have roughly 1/3 of all tax returns with zero tax liability and Obama's own words saying that he will give 95% of working Americans a tax cut. Sounds to me like folks paying no income tax will get a tax refund. Satisfied?
you can look up the proof yourself - its there
you just don't want to because you agree with them.

Facts are facts.

And yes, I am too busy to do your research.
WHAT proof do you have, that this what you are
saying is REALLY the truth and that it will really be like that?

HOW do you REALLY know that YOUR religion is the ONLY right one?

Please explain to me!

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE !



I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
And you don't have any proof he isn't
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And you don't have any proof otherwise
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You have no proof that this is a rumor!
Hoping something is not true doesn't make it so! Did you see the pictures? Her daughter looked much more pregnant that Palin did!
Please cite your proof........
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i saw that too. she is living proof
that a fetus is more than a glob of cells.
Proof that FM/FM regulation was

tried as far back as 2001.


Sorry if this is old news, but my cousin just emailed me this link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related


Then I took it further:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYz1rbB5V1s&NR=1


Ok, so do you have proof that it is not true?
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What proof do you have that YOUR religion, whatever
it is, is THE TRUE ONE?
Of course I don't have any proof. I'm not peeping in his windows..sm
trying to see if he's going to drink or not. You have no proof that he doesn't drink. This is all speculation.

This is a bunch of bunk. If you think discussing the wrong doing of one person holds no water because other people are doing or have done it too, then I'll just have to agree to disagree. That's like saying, it's OK because the Clinton's and Kennedy's did it. Again, whatever gets you through.

I think the discussion we need to be having is that the media needs to get out of these people's personal lives.


With liberals it's not the proof behind the accusation
it's the seriousness of the charge....
I'd like to see proof that more impoverished people are fat...sm
than middle and upper classes. Though I wouldn't count it out. It's not a secret that the most unhealthy foods are definitely the cheapest foods to buy.


This coment is living proof - nm
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Proof? Or is that not important to Dems?
Palin has never said word ONE about 'witchcraft.'

What you bitterly cling to is a YouTube video of Palin standing before her church's congregation for a blessing. (We whacky Christians do that stuff all the time, kuz, y'know, it works and stuff.) A VISITING minister from Africa (y'know, where Obama's father is from?) has CULTURAL beliefs which differ from western culture and in asking for God's blessing and protection he incorporated that word from his CULTURE.

Are you condemning Palin for what some visiting minister from Africa said? Or are you just condemning his CULTURE? Is that what you're using to try and whip up a frenzy about your cause celeb? So, so sad.

Can we say "Deliver us from evil?" (Lord's prayer since you probably aren't aware of that quote.) Would THAT be okay with you?

I say again, I worry about your fanatical obsession with the already disproven subject. Maybe there's a Salem 12-Step program or something. :)

Let's count how many more times you can throw out your 'lookie-lookie-guys-WITCHCRAFT' post before election day. Maybe you'll sway one person into voting for your candidate. Probably not, but there's no law against beating a dead horse I suppose.
There is no proof. Birth certificate has been
The only proof you have is that you have no legitimate campaign strategy and your candidate's campaign is going down in flames over this relentless stupidity.
You have all the truth there is. Needing proof
Obsessing over an internet myth....fanatic. Bankrolling lawsuits to nowhere....fanatic. Believing in fairy-tale usurpaton of unwanted election results....fanatic.
I guess you have absolute proof.......sm
of all these accusations?

Laying that aside, conservatives have just as much right to voice their opinions without being referred to as "certifiable loons" as do liberals. Come back in a couple of years and let's talk about how your paycheck is looking and how hard it is to make ends meet in the Obama economy. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disillusioned folks.
your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT
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Just proof that Obama really isn't out for the middle class.

He just wants our vote and he figured this would be the way to get it.  To promise to not tax us middle class folks.  I don't believe he intends to keep his promise.  He may at first but the bottom line is that all the government spending of his and the 3 trillion dollars he plans to spend....where he is going to get that money?  He is going to get it from us and that includes the middle class. 


All the companies who get tax hikes will pass that tax onto us as well by jacking up prices of products and services so we the consumers pay for that tax hike.  Then Obama will have to raise taxes on the middle class as well to cover his government spending.  It is common sense people.  Look at his record.  He has consistently wanted to raise taxes and that includes on us middle class folks he is all of sudden so interested in helping out since he is up for election.  Give me a break.  I see through the lies and false promises.  That isn't change.  That is Washington elitists at their norm.


Ah no, burden of proof is on Obama to prove his
is supposed to be with any immigrant wanting to come into this country. What part of that do you not understand? Of course, I realize most "illegals" aren't proving anything now days and BTW, I can understand their love for him, seeing how O wants to give all "illegals" a drivers license.

Like I said, what a sellout he is.
All very good points. But the proof is in the pudding....
it is up to HIM to change our minds and prove us wrong, and for the good of the country, I hope he is able to. Sincerely.

Take heart tho...they did not get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate like they hoped, so if the Republicans will grow a backbone and stand up to them...he will be limited somewhat in what he can do. Especially in the case of SUpreme Court justices. I hope they step up (the Republicans). They have to earn my respect TOO.
Proof it...just empty words by frustrated MTs..nm
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I don't tihnk a BC proof of citizenship is stupid.

Let the "stupid crap" go on until it is cleared up. I'm sick of hearing it, too, but I'll be dang if I want someone who is not a citizen  to run our country. I want to know the truth and, so far, that truth isn't there. Too much secrecy (sp?) to warm my toes.  It opens a whole 'nother can of worms if he is not a citizen, yet becomes president anyway.


It would mean a constitutional rule struck down and, (I shudder to think of this) even terrorists could run our country if they so desire and could pay off people who's vote count. Gee, do you want Chevez or Putnin to run our country? How about Ayers or Wright?


I'm just pointing out a few things here. There's too many question as why this was not resolved and why, all of a sudden, his records in Hawaii were sealed or whatever, after he went to "visit his sick grandmother."


Truth is all I want and I don't have it yet. But I will let the SC decide (if they weren't bribed) and then, I will embrace the O as a president until he screws up which, eventually, he will. He's coming off as "too perfect". There is no one "perfect" in my eyes.


 


Show me proof that it didn't work......
Maybe you just got your history lesson from Faux Noise. The New Deal DID work until the Republicans pressured FDR into instituting tax cuts - then we went into a recession - after that World War II pulled us out of that. It sure doesn't look like Ws wars have helped our financial situation.......perhaps that's because he told us all to SHOP till we DROP instead of asking Americans to sacrifice like FDR did.........but. WWII wasn't based on lies, either......
Asked for proof, suddenly she's too busy. LOL. Figures. nm
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Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.