Sam, I hate to tell you, but those checks already go out every year -
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: Give me a break. Okay...YOU TELL ME. - sam
my sister does not pay a penny in income tax ever - they don't even hold anything out of her check during the year - and then she still gets $5000 to $6000 a year back from the government. So how do you think this is something new?
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Sorry - not everybody got those checks -
You had to make a certain income to qualify for that rebate - I know because my boyfriend who is on workman's cmopensation could not qualify for it because his income for the year was too low.
If you did not make enough to have to file tax returns, you did not get the rebate.
There have to be checks and balances with everything though.
Otherwise you will have corruption, no matter how good the intent of the law is.
Identity checks?
How do we know who these "individual contributors from the internet" really were? Is there a way to positively determine their true identities? Sounds like we need to know about this. I would really like to know if it is possible to confirm their true identities and where this cash is coming from.
Rebate checks
I'm sure Bush has given us a bunch of ideas on what to "spend" the rebate on. I'm sure he would like more people to use if for gas (he is an "oil" man after all). I'm using mine to help pay down some of my debt. I told DH, why in the world aren't people on TV suggesting that citizens use the money to help pay off their debt, or put in a savings for the future. All I keep hearing over and over is spend, spend, spend. I told him I'm tired of whenever I get some extra cash in (whether from working OT, a b-day gift from a relative, or something like the rebate) it gets spent. Yes I know that to stimulate the economy you need to spend, but when is enough enough. I know of course there are certain things people need, but needing something is a lot different than wanting something and just buying something for the sake of spending. I read somewhere once that if you spend it on gas it goes to the government/oil companies, if you spend it at Wal-Mart and other stores it goes to China, etc. Unfortunately the way the economy is going right now it will help a lot of people with gas and food (2 necessities people can't do without), but is just sad that people will use it for that and then it will be gone. As a side rant....does anyone get as furious as I do at these Visa companies that advertise spend, spend, spend. The ones in particular is all these people charging a cup of coffee or some breakfast item on their charge card, then comes along a person with a check or cash and the music stops and they all look at him/her like they've spoiled all the fun. I really think these credit card companies are getting out of hand when they are constantly bombarding us with commercials to spend (I am faster with the mute button than you can say jack rabbit).
Stimulus checks
How many of you enjoyed your Stimulus Checks? I for one loved mine. Think back to what you did with that check? Maybe you paid some bills, bought that CD you have been wanting, maybe a night out with your family to a nice restaurant or even Pizza Hut. A lot of us were able to buy new clothes for our children.
Admit it, it was worth going to the mailbox for. I looked forward to the mail for once.
Senator Obama has pushed for more Stimulus checks immediately for the American people. But who do you think veto'd it? President Bush did. Senator McCain has sided with President Bush 90% of the time. Believe me, you won't be going to the mailbox to find anymore Stimulus Checks in there if you elect John McCain on November 4, 2008.
Stimulus checks
I'm ill, have no health insurance, and if we get another stimulus check, I'll be able to go see the doctor again. (I've been there twice: When I received my income tax refund and when I received the first stimulus check.)
The doctor is pretty far away, and I need to rent a car (with a $250.00 deposit) since my daughter's car is very old and probably wouldn't make the trip. (My car was repossessed when I couldn't afford the payments any more due to being in the hospital so often.)
I hope we get another stimulus check so I can see the cystic fibrosis specialist again. In the meantime, I'm fortunate to have found a good doctor for low-income people in my town. 
Recheck on the fact checks
This whole dog and pony show was going on in 2000 and 2004 too. Righteous anger! God doesn't approve of you! I hate a hypocrite! Commie!! World is going to end if Democrat wins! No seriously, you will be cowering in your bathtub with your last shotgun shell!
The FACT is, people are sick of this kind of hysteria. That's why Obama is so popular. After all, the end-of-world crew is not only downright nasty and scary, look what the people they support have done.
They still want to harp on Clinton, ignoring the horrible truth of just how many Republican congresscritters were arrested and jailed, indicted and censored for totally deplorable, and in many instances, depraved behavior during the Bush administration. They ignore our heartbreaking loss of American rights, and lives during this last 8 years. They ignore the financial meltdown and the outright theft of our social security fund, and now another 840 billion for the thieves, and how many trillions can the Pentagon under Bush just not find? Totally ignore it. They continue to harp on a "liberal press" -- bwa ha ha ha! The news they love to hate admits it gets it marching orders in the morning from the White House. And now, the scariest, worst human being ever, the Ayers monster, is actually famous for blowing up a urinal in the basement of the Capitol Building. Oh. My. God.
Now what - you're willing to put a woman who has NO experience a hair's breadth away from the Presidency? The one the Kenyan witchdoctor laid on hands to advance the agenda of the Third Wave, a religious group who feels they are the ones approved by God to take over America and impose its peculiar notion of Bible believing on all of us? And her husband, who is a charter member of a group in Alaska which unabashedly states it HATES America now and wants to secede? These people are now, they are real, and they are want to be your leaders.
Only by making up the most outlandish lies and propaganda (and crossing fingers that the "liberal press" doesn't blow the cover on their candidates' backgrounds too soon)can they even hope to smear "that one" sufficiently to sway the election.
The real decider for everyone of good faith, decent morals, and some kind of feeling for their fellow human beings, should be to simply look at how some people supporting the McC/SP ticket behave. Monkey dolls. Teaching children to shout the "n" word and jump and hoot like monkeys while the news camera watches, and God-fearing grandmother giggles. No, not just a few. Every single one in line. And then the fruitcake carving on her own cheek with a knife, claiming a big scary black man for Obama did it. Oh yeah, field rep for Republican National Committee, and the story grabbed and pushed immediately by McC's PA communications director. It's disgusting. And considering what they did to all of us in 2000 and 2004, are we really ready to believe there is any good judgment going on in what's left of the Republican ranks?
Just take a look at one of the Obama rallies and get a sense of the totally different atmosphere there, and ask yourself what kind of attitude you'd rather live with day in and day out. We already know what hatefulness, deception, and too much God-told-me-to-do-it in government can do to us and the world. Time to give it a rest, already. Anger, bile, threats, fantasies, foot-stomping, race-baiting, and rewriting the dictionary and the Bible isn't what this American wants. IMHO no American should want that.
the problem is that the stimulus checks are not...
"compliments of Obama." He is not footing the bill. The tax payers are, one way or another. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
I hope the next time he checks the tax
in office. LOL.
I hope the next time he checks the tax
in office. LOL. Hopefully he will finally get the clue as this makes the third one having tax issues.
You don't need parties for checks and balances
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Thanks Lurker...and I agree with you about checks and balances...nm
Well, I think it is worse to mail tax break checks to
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Total gimmick! Remember getting checks from
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English not so good. Sad for you. So much hate. Life too short hate.
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Oh I see....you hate small town folks, you hate Christians...
and you hate the military...you are also coming into real clear view.
People with felonies cannot pass background checks...sm
Even a pending felony, never mind a conviction. So,how does he have a job? I say we give him the boot.
Those were economic stimulus checks...a one-time deal.
what Obama is proposing is NOT a one-time deal. It will be part of the tax code. BIG difference.
trash or treasure? gotta have checks and balances......
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Feds paying $millions in stimulus checks
Next time you make some colossal blunder at work, here's your excuse: "I was rushed". Apparently, that's good enough for the feds, who have sent around 10,000 checks to dead people...some of whom were never even in the Social Security system. Wonder where they're getting the names?
Of course, we knew that the fraud, abuse and waste would be gargantuan since the government has never been able to handle our money without fraud, waste and abuse.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/your_money/consumer/090514_Dead_People_Get_Stimulus_Checks
I suggest you take a civics class. This country has checks and balances. SM
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Sheesh, you not only hate Bush, you hate PEOPLE!
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They don't hate us because we are free, they hate us because...
We need to stop imposing the way we live on them. They don't hate us because of our freedom. That is absurd. When have you ever heard them say we hate you because you are free? Never. What they have been saying is "Don't tell us how we should live". "Don't tell us we need to have the same type of government that America has", and they also say "We don't need the Americans designing our own countries flag" and that is why they hate us. They are their own country. It is not right for us to go in and say you need to live the way we do, your government needs to be run the way ours is. How would we like it if they came and said "Were invading America and your going to conform to the way we live because "its' the right way" or "god has told me this is the way it's suppose to be". No, we wouldn't like it one bit. Every country lives differently. We need to stop dictating how other countries should live.
Hate mongers hate everything.
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So you not only hate gays, you also hate
.
I think we need a 4-year....
moratorium on presidents. Let's try 4 years without one. See how that goes. 
I'm one year from my MA.
It seems like half of the posts on this MB are yours. Maybe you should look for other hobbies. Like clubbing baby seals or smashing the dreams of little children.
You spew on and on about how unbiased you are, yet 90% of your posts bash republicans.
I think you just like to see your name on the MB. Maybe in your 'real' life nobody cares about you. So you come here to feel like at least someone will read your message and know you are still alive.
How sad for you.
Well, in a year you can say
I just went there last year
I was welcomed there and not treated as an ugly american.
My brother and his wife have lived there for years and they and their friends are not treated like "ugly americans", and they've been all over germany, belgium, france, austria, lictenfelds, and switzerland. They travel every weekend and they are always welcome whereever they go. The europeans love Americans. They (not all) may not like our president but they know that americans are not like him.
This kind of comment is just a lie! Another Bush hater. We get it, we all get it. God I can't want til tomorrow cos I can't wait for the Bush bashers/haters to just shut their mouths. But wait, they keep it up about McCain/Palin, so don't expect it to stop with Bush.
You tell me how an 8-year-old knows
anything about being "gay." I'll tell you where, in the indoctrination centers known as public education.
Excuse me, being homosexual does not make one happy and well adjusted. I've never ever seen when blatant sin ever lead to being happy and well adjusted.
Probably same as this year
Get back over 4,000 in tax refunds.
Yes, he did. This was for LAST YEAR'S
Seven down, one year to go for America
Article from yesterday's Times Herald documenting in a nutshell Bush's dynamic and equally distrastrous first year for America. It packs a wallop. In hindsight and in black and white, it certainly portends to everything that follows. I wonder if we shall ever recover from the damage that has been done to this country and abroad.
Seven down, one year to go for America
January 14, 2008
As I watched Americans caucus in Iowa and enter voting booths in New Hampshire these past two weeks, I felt the first stirrings of hope for my country that I've felt in a very long time.
It is as though we are peeking out of our caves of fear and despair, still wearing our winter coats and galoshes but preparing to shed them as we step into the promise of springtime.
For seven years, this country has been held in the grip of men who have used us for their own ends. On Sunday, it will be exactly one year until we see the last of the Bush administration.
That is reason for celebration. But it is not reason for turning our attention away from the criminals in the White House. There are times when I barely recognize the carcass of America that they continue to strip as they prepare to discard us.
Only one more year. But we know from experience the kind of damage George Bush and his crowd can do in the space of 12 months. Lest we forget, let's look at just a single year — 2001 — under this, the worst regime in America's history.
Jan. 20, 2001: On the day of Bush's inauguration, his chief of staff issued a moratorium halting all new health, safety and environmental regulations issued in the final days of the Clinton administration.
Jan. 23: Bush reinstates the global gag rule barring U.S. funding for abortion counseling abroad.
Feb. 5: Bush suspends the "roadless rule," which protected 60 million acres of forests from logging and road-building.
Feb. 17: Bush signs four
See Beth Quinn page 18
anti-union executive orders, including measures to prohibit project labor agreements at federal construction sites.
March 7: At Bush's urging, Congress repeals ergomonic regulations designed to protect workers from repetitive-stress injuries.
March 15: Bush abandons his campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.
March 20: The Bush administration moves to overturn a regulation reducing the allowable levels of arsenic in drinking water.
March 28: Bush backs out of the Kyoto treaty on global warming.
March 29: Bush shuts down the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach.
April 4: Bush's Department of Agriculture proposes lifting a requirment that all beef used in federal school lunch programs must be tested for salmonella.
April 9: Bush's Department of Interior proposes a limit on lawsuits seeking protection of endangered species.
May 11: Bush abandons the nation's international effort to crack down on offshore tax havens for the rich.
May 16: Vice President Dick Cheney's task force releases its National Energy Policy report, calling for weaker environmental regulations and massive subsidies for the oil and gas, coal, and nuclear power industries.
May 26: At Bush's urging, Congress passes a $1.35 trillion tax cut.
June 19: Cheny refuses to release records of his energy task force meetings to the General Accounting Office.
June 28: Attorney General John Ashcroft announces a policy that would require gun records be destroyed one day after a background check rather than 90 days later.
July 9: Bush opposes a UN treaty to curb international trafficking in small arms and light weapons.
July 26: Bush rejects an international treaty on germ warfare and biological weapons.
Aug. 6: During the presidential daily briefing, Bush is warned that Osama bin Laden is determined to strike in the United States.
Aug. 9: Bush limits stem cell research to existing lines.
Sept. 11: Terrorists organized by bin Laden crash hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing thousands.
Sept. 22: Bush signs a $15 billion airline bailout.
Oct. 26: Bush signs the USA Patriot Act.
Oct. 29: Bush's Justice Department acknowledges but won't identify more than 1,000 individuals detained since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Oc.t 31: Ashcroft authorizes monitoring of attorney-client conversations in terrorism investigations.
Nov. 1: Bush issues an executive order blocking the release of presidential records.
Nov. 13: Bush orders that "enemy combatants" be tried in military tribunals.
Nov. 14: Bush's Justice Department issues regulations allowing illegal immigrants to be detained indefinitely.
Dec. 11: The Bush White House recommends privatizing Social Security.
Dec. 12: Bush announces that he intends to pull out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty unilaterally.
Dec. 27: Bush repeals the "responsible contractor rule" that had required scrutiny of safety and environmental law violations in the awarding of federal contracts.
There are 372 days left 'til Jan. 20, 2009. Let us hang onto hope for the future.
Happy New Year to you too....
As I said, I think it was probably a multitude of things, sick and fed up just pegged on the antiwar always bleak diatribe, it was the holidays and I am sure she was missing her son acutely, and the post, in my view and I don't have a son in Iraq, was very cold and matter of fact on an issue that is not matter of fact and calls in many human emotions...in short, she just had to vent. She did not expect war support. She was just tired of sitting there quiet. She may never post here again. All I was saying is that maybe that should have been taken into consideration and give her a pass that one time instead of coming back and slamming her. Just a little empathy would have been nice. That is all I was saying. I have defended liberals for going on once in awhile as well. And oddly, I have been criticized for that as well. LOL. Politics. Gotta love it.
Yes, it has been the deadliest year...
because the insurgency has been the strongest this year and their attacks on civilians have been horrendous. So, it makes sense for this to be the worst year. There were actually fewer deaths during the actual invasion than in the months after, both with soldiers and civilians. The insurgents and militias were not operating in the first months. And I agree mistakes were made, big ones. However, now, even the Iraqi government says attacks in Baghdad (car bombs, suicide bombers, rocket attacks, etc.) are down 70%. People are getting out and about again in major areas of Baghdad and there is some semblance of a normal life. That is a monumental achievement in comparsion to what it was. Are things perfect...no. Are things completely stable? No. But the article I posted by the independent journalist embedded witht he 82nd Airborne in Baghdad (who came in for the original surge in February and have been there since January གྷ)...the battalion he was with has suffered no deaths, not even any injuries since then. That is amazing. I guess, DW, I just get excited for the Iraqi people (and by that I mean the common folk like you and me) even with the "little" strides. I would like to be out of there too, trust me, I would. But I would rather we do everything we can to keep from having a blood bath like Viet Nam happen when we do leave. We are there, for whatever reason we got there, and you can't unscramble eggs. I still have hope that we can help stabilize it to the point that it is not so dangerous and I still have hope that the Iraqi people can find a way to pull together to help it happen faster. We may still have to pull out and bad things happen; there may be no way to avoid that. I just believe enough good is happening to keep that hope alive. Have a good weekend!
I have a soon to be 9-year-old daughter and
pregnancy and the allowance of it most certainly does concern me especially when McCain is in his 70s and not in the best of health already. Yes, I was raised with family values and yes this absolutely does concern not only me but my husband as well. Yes, this is a big focus right now on Governor Palin and her family values. I'm only one voice, but one voice that is concerned about this teenage girl and it being "allowed" and "accepted." This goes against any core family values I've learned my entire life. Does this mean it's okay for her daughter? Does this mean that this candidate will just "ignore" issues if she had to step in as President blaming us the country and not herself for her own misjudgements or her own "oversites?"
YOU MAKE OVER $250,000 a year
and can't afford to go out to dinner more than once or twice a year, live in a plain house that is almost paid off and have no debt? That is ASTOUNDING! Taxes are being raised on those making over $250,000 a year. My husband and I made around $80,000 last year and now we can't afford a pot to p**s in or a window to throw it out. Cancer has defined my life for the past year, meds are astronomical, medical bills drove us to bankruptcy and, right now, I'm too sick to work. We are barely surviving on hubbies income - I sold all of my jewelry to pay bills and put food on the table. I've been saving aluminum and scrapping it for gas money. I've been fighting insurance companies for treatment and compensation that I PAID for. My 30-year-old son is handicapped and works in a sheltered workshop. He broke his glasses. He's darn near blind. He had to wait 2 years before his medical card would pay for a new pair. So, I don't want to hear how WONDERFUL those on the "dole" have it. We live in a 600 sq. ft. "cottage" and my husband is a professional with a 5-year engineering degree. We are middle class and have been stabbed in the back over the last year. I can't take 4 more years. If McCain gets elected, I hope I sucumb to this disease so I don't have to see my children and grandchildren suffer.
I do not make over 250,000 a year, sorry
and like I am going to take someone like Donald Trump's opinions to heart. not a chance. he has a lot more to lose than I do if he has to pay taxes. I will get 1000 stimulus and end up paying less in taxes, it is just they will be distributed differently, in other words, not so much given to lobbyists and oil people that is my understanding...
my cash gets taken out of my wallet NOW, more than ever, and my say where it goes is all but diminished - now THAT is scary...
I was just 1 year shy of being able to vote at 21 then...sm
but was very involved in the election. I couldn't wait to be able to vote for him after I was of age but we all know what happened with that. Then MLK and Bobby. I think that Obama has the same intellect and vision that Jack and Bobby had, as well as being very charismatic. I am glad to have a second chance to vote for someone with my vision for America.
We both just graduated this year
Him with a four year degree and me with my MT certificate. I am back in school finishing my psych degree I had originally started. Since he is a history major and the job market is pretty much frozen right now, he is having trouble finding a job. Therefore he works with his dad building houses for $300 a week like I previously stated. At the rate we are going I make $400 a week MTing (remember, I'm P/T because of school) So at $700 a week x 4 weeks a month =$2800 a month x 12 months = $33,600 dollars. Almost $10,000 more than last year, but still not a lot compared to most.
Make sense?
Now I'm sure when my husband does find a career position we will be substantially better, but for now, this is what we have, so this is what we work with. But I'm not going to come digging in your pockets so I can buy all the newest toys and gadgets!
From a 13-year-old girl
My daughter is in 8th grade. For the election, the students are to go to each candidate's web site and research the candidates, and then the students will vote (using a real voting booth - cool mom!)
She told me that she started her research today, and she found that when she looked at Obama's web site it talked about his family and such, and then his proposals for change. When she went to McCain's web site, all she found initially, were negative things about Obama, and that was the main point of his web site, but on the sides, she could dig out a little more on the issues.
She was wondering why people have to be so negative. She said, "Doesn't Gram (my mother) always say that when people spend all their time talking badly about other people, it is because they have nothing good to say about themselves?"
She hasn't decided who she will vote for (but she is a tree-hugger of her own accord), and I think she will probably lean left.
Anyway, I am now off to take a better look at the 2 web sites to see what I see.
Peace,
CB
I bet within a year, you will be wondering WHY you
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when we got laid off last year, I
moved the 401K to AARP who put it in all conservative bonds and I have lost about 2% of it this quarter.
on unemployment this year, which is
now over, thanks to G.Bush, I did get an extra 13 weeks, but I managed to raise 4 kids alone, thank goodness I made it.
Some of My Thoughts for the New Year
Some of my political views are not the norm here, but that is ok, viva LA difference! I will just explain a couple,
1- I do not understand why anyone, particularly women, would vote for the Republicans- they are sort of like the Chinese Communist Party, or the govt. in 1984. For example, a few years ago, the said Murphy Brown was a terrible influence. Never mind that the character was financially well established, and a mature woman actually making a decision, rather than a teenage whoops! This year at the convention, lots of folks wore buttons talking about how much they support unwed mothers. My feeling is they only support them while pregnant, and don’t care about them once the baby is born. In fact, they scorn them. If a woman works, and something happens to her child, she is viewed as an unfit mother because she should have been home. On the other hand, the whole “welfare mom “was demonized because she just “sat at home making babies rather than working”
In addition why support a party who does not have your best interests at heart? Most people are middle/lower middle/ and lower class… why support the elite few?
2- Roe v. Wade is a very smart ruling, and anyone who really understands constitutional law, would agree. “Roe v. Wade was decided primarily on the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights. The Court's decision in this case was that the Ninth Amendment, in stating that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people," protected a person's right to privacy.”
No one has the right to say that their belief should supersede mine. I believe life does not begin at conception, ergo, no one should legislate my body, worry about your own.
3- I believe in gun control. No one needs anything more than a hunting rifle (if that) in their home. Period. No one is keeping the government in check by keeping a gun- it is a load of malarkey. Crime has decreased- not because of guns, but because people were more prosperous. That has ended. We need social programs, and for corporations to be a part of society and not just answer to share holders so that we can all work together to turn things around. That will keep crime down- not everyone owning killing machines.
4- Everyone is entitled to health care. It should be a right, not the privilege of the few. We call ourselves civilized, yet we have people starving or dying from lack of health care right in our midst.
5- I am against the death penalty. I never got the eye for an eye thing. Yes, I have been the victim of a violent crime, but a violent reaction doesn’t undo what happened, it only re-enforces the whole cycle.
Six months to a year
I'd like see what happens in six months to a year when our economy is still in the toilet, more and more people are still without jobs and losing them if the sheeple will still be saying Obama is the answer to their prayers. Their eyes will be open then but it will be too late.
My 14-year-old daughter.
The girls were together one night at a friend's house. They heard it through school that Obama family do not believe in Christmas gifts to the girls nor do they believe in giving Birthday gifts. There are also questions if Obama family believe in Thanksgiving.
Looked on line (Google) and cannot get a straight answer, just that muslims do not believe in this either. Do not know that to think and so I asked.
Our country in a year or less.
I think this will be our country in a few months to a year...people protesting our government in the streets and things continue to get worse....
Look up the 80 year old U.S. man who is being held
He is being held there unlawfully, even though he has done nothing. He is sleeping on a hard concrete floor, dying a slow agonizing death of pneumonia with NO medical care.
Even the mayor of this small Mexican town has reviewed the situation and asked that this elderly man be returned to his country but their corrupt government won't do it. BUT, they certainly have no problem pushing them all up here for me to take care of and when tens of thousands of them end up in prison while murdering, raping, stealing, etc., we give them medical care, feed their sorry butts, and even make sure they have an education at my expense if they want one, all to the tune of billions of dollars a year.
Believe me, if that little girl's family still cannot speak English, I can almost guarantee you they are not here legally. No doubt the girl was born here, which makes her an anchor baby, and should have made her illegal as well.
All those that want to fall for that pity thing will soon find themselves without and at the mercy of a Mexican-driven society with Mexican-driven beliefs. Talk to some citizens in bordertown states and the proof is in the crap going on in their towns.
Last year, it took 5 months before
we could call our money ours. Not 3 months. Soon, we will just be getting a weekly allowance if all the crap keeps going.
If you make under 75K a year
you will get an extra 13 bucks a week. Woo hoo! Now let me ask you this......he is giving tax cuts to 95% of the people and yet these cuts only go to people making under 75K a year.....surely not 95% of Americans are making under 75K a year?
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