Sam's Marxist dogma.
Posted By: Rebuttal. sm on 2008-10-31
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Ever heard of the progressive tax system...the one the US has ALWAYS had? That would be the same (regressive) tax system that redistributes wealth from top to bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#History_of_progressivity_in_federal_income_tax
Check out the table here to see the history of progressive tax structure in the US and notice how much MORE of a percentage of tax the top income brackets have paid in the past as compared to what Obama is proposing. Pay special attention to the prevailing rates between 1932 and 1981.
The vast majority of US economists (81%) support this tax structure. Before income tax was enacted, Theodore Roosevelt (McCain's hero) strongly advocated for progressive tax. McCain has made no mention of repealing or changing its basic structure. Your Marxist arguments about Obama's tax proposals are embarrassingly ill-informed, especially in view of the fact that Obama simply wants to restore the top bracket tax rate that was in effect in 2000 when Bush assumed office (39.6%). That is hardly excessive, in view of US history which informs us that in the past, it has been as high as a whopping 94% and that same bracket rate ranged between 63% and 94% for 49 years (1932 to 1981) of the 95 years we have been paying income tax.
By your logic, we are already a socialist country, and we have had 7 socialist republican presidents. NOT.
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The only dogma Obama is mired down in...
is Marxist redistribution of wealth, and he clings bitterly to that one like he says Pennsylvanians do to their guns and religion. That is the ONLY thing he has not wavered from, and THAT should tell you something. But you just want the ice cream.
You fell for all that religious dogma, didn't you?
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They are socialist/Marxist. That has been the...
mantle of the DNC for years, growing steadily worse. They employ the Alinsky method...read up on it. Obama not only embraces it, he taught it.
It is built on class warfare. You find out what bothers people most, then you rabble rouse. Whatever that sore is, you make it more sore. And you blame whatever institution you are trying to take down. With Hitler it was Jews. With socialists it is "the rich." You make people think the cause of ALL their problems is either (Jews or big nasty corporations). Here it is big nasty corporations. They have fed people this for so many years they have bought into it. People actually think big evil corporations are the cause of everything bad that happens to them.
Saul Alinsky himself summed it up (paraphrasing): "It doesn't matter if it is true or not. It just matters if you can make them believe it."
Basically, in order to keep people voting for them, they have to keep people thinking that the big bad corporations are the cause of all the problems, and they say we are going to take from them and give to you and you have to do nothing to receive that other than keep voting for them. In recent years it has been changed to evil corporations and evil Republicans, and it is working, you see it demonstrated on this board every day. Most of these people really don't even know how corporations figure into our economy. They just know they're "evil." They hate a whole portion of society (Christians, conservatives, etc.) because they are "evil" and the cause of all their problems. Socialism 101. They have practiced it well...they have a lot of believers.
Marxist/socialist? Please. You are just being...sm
inflammatory. He is a liberal democrat, period. If I had called McCain a fascist would you not be insulted. Can we have some brains here? Next thing you will be calling him a communist. Good grief!
She did NOT say Obama was Marxist.
She said that he believed in redistribution of wealth (and he does, said so himself) and how is the NOT Marxist? All Biden had to do was explain how it was not Marxist.
As to people in the campaign saying she is a rogue diva...when those "people in the campaign" are named I would come closer to believing it. If they did, I don't give a darn, because I am glad she is not as "yes" person and has a mind of her own. We need MORE of that in Washington. Not someone who toes the party line, unlike Obama who is in lockstep with the DNC and George Soros.
Nope, no Marxist, communists have ...
come forward claiming that Palin is "a believer". But I have seen some articles that she is not as for reform in politics as she wants us to think. When she was elected mayor it seems that she fired the police chief because he didn't support her in the election. Also, she had asked the librarian about censoring books. I have read conflicting stories on whether that librarian was fired or not, but both articles mentioned she wanted books taken out of the library. Palin claims it was just "rhetoric". She also left the town with a huge amount of debt, I believe $20 mill. when she her mayoral duties were done. She also supposedly hired some lobbyists.
Before I get bashed about Obama's same-ole, same-ole, I am not disputing that fact either.
That is why the Marxist message works with them...
let's take it from all those nasty people who are doing better than me (who incidentally worked hard to earn it) and don't make me do a thing to get it. Class warfare. Classic Marxism. Trouble is, they don't recognize it.
Well, actually he leans more Marxist than socialist...
I did not know that until I studied up on it. However...I have always said I do not agree with McCain on everything and this is certainly one of those things.
Because he's not a Marxist socialist for one thing....
lol.
Bush is a black liberationist Marxist, too.
So, let me get this straight. Obama is proposing a tax rebate funded by an oil company windfall profits tax. President Bush's economic stimulus checks were also tax rebates, but they were funded by tax payers. By the "logic" (and I use the term loosely) in your "all do respect" post below, wouldn't that qualify as redistribution of wealth and make Bush a black liberationist theological Marxist/Socialist? Please help me out with this.
The Bush redistribution of wealth is free market capitalism because it was funded by all of us, but Obama's similar policy scheme is black liberationist Marxist/Socialism because it redirects huge oil company profits back to the consumers who generate those profits for them in the first place? After all, we ALL pay for gas, too. So instead of energy cost relief for all of us, you think it is more appropriate for all that dough to be used to bankroll golden parachutes for oil company CEOs? If that's capitalism in its purest form, it sucks and I want no part of it. Sign me up for a little socialism. Maybe those black liberationist theologians are onto something after all.
It is not the tax that is the issue....and please read up on the Marxist ideal of re-
distribution of wealth. Not once during those 7 years was the money from those taxes redistributed to taxpayers in $1000 checks. The Marxist principle is the redistribution of wealth, which is exactly what Obama is proposing.
Obama - more Marxist/Socialist/Communist
connections:
After Iowa
Happy New Year and congratulations on a job well done. These have been trying times when the hyenas of war have again been turned loose on humanity by a greedy ruling class.
Now, beyond all the optimism I was capable of mustering, Mr. Obama won Iowa! He won in a political arena 95 percent white. It was a resounding defeat for the manipulations of the ultra-right and their right-liberal fellow travelers. Also it was a hard lesson for liberals who underestimated the political fury of the masses in these troubled times.
Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary “mole,” not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through.
The old pattern of politics as usual has been broken. It may not have happened as we expected it to happen but what matters is that it happened. The message is clear: we can and must defeat the ultra-right, by uniting the broadest possible coalition that will represent an overwhelming majority of the people in a new political dynamic. We must quickly shed yesterday’s political perspective and get in step with the march of events.
Frank Chapman (letter to Communist Party newspaper People’s Weekly World.)
Via e-mail
You can march in lock step with the Marxist...
socialist idea of "equal opportunity for all Americans" if you like. He was the member of a church for 20 years that preached black liberation theology. It is NOT about equal opporunity for ALL Americans. Programmed is right. Get with it? Not in this lifetime.
A BIG WELCOME TO FOUR YEARS OF SOCIALIST/MARXIST STATE
and his democrats. Just you wait
You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
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