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She was mayor, constituents had asked her...

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-06
In Reply to: I heard this, but.... - Just me

about some questionable books in the library. In a meeting with the council she brought up that concern. According to that same Alaskan (Kilkenny, a Democrat, go figure), the same one who wrote the email cutting her to ribbons and one of the points was "She has hated me since 1992"....the first time she described the issue it was "I remember she brought up something about some books in the library but she never took it anywhere." Now, since she is running for VP, it has become "She tried to ban books!" Typical political crap. She was doing her job. Constituents brought her concerns and she brought those concerns to the council.

I saw the military head of the Alaska National Guard last night on TV, and the sitting mayor of Wasilla. Both had nothing but good things to say about her. The National Guard gentleman was really PO'ed that people so minimized the role of the governor as commander in chief of the National Guard. She was involved last weekend in deploying Alaska National Guard assets to Louisiana to help with Gustav.

You would think these folks would spend more time talking about what there #1 is doing than trying to crucify the other side #2. But, that is the way of the left. Politics of personal destruction and the bloodier the better...and enjoying every minute of it. McCain has more character in his pinkie.


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These constituents have to take
responsibility for themselves and their children.  It is not for our government to make decisions for people.... plain and simple.  People have the right to ask questions, but also have the right to be told it goes against the constitution which is the underpinning of our freedom, and if you believe in freedom, it really is that simple.  
do you think the dem's constituents are not against it also?
I am voting democrat this year, but I was still against all this they are doing - I think many democrats are - not just me.
Why should the republicans vote no because their constituents are against is, but if the dems vote no because their constituents are against it, it is just a setup?
I am not trying to cause an argument - just asking a question...
Yup, he's got plenty of constituents who'd like him out.
Nothing like earning respect like this:

http://philly.metro.us/metro/local/article/Who_wants_to_be_Santorum/3165.html
The ones who think their constituents are stupid..
Will pay for their mistake next election day.

I live in a pub state and our governor is a fool. If he turns down any of the stimulus package with this area hurting so badly in the current economic climate...he won't be here come next election day. I have heard from MANY on both sides of the issue who will definitely vote him out if he pulls such a stupid move.

Of course, that just leaves more for the reasonable heads of state who want to actually improve the lot of their constituents...
The constituents who brought her their concerns...
does freedom not extend to them also? They don't have a right to at least ask about the books? Which is what they did...and she took their concerns to the city council, which is her job as mayor. Why do you seek to curtail others' freedom in the name of freedom? They did not get what they wanted, but they certainly should have the freedom to ask and be heard. Isn't that exactly what you are saying we must protect??
It is the jobs of their constituents to hold them accountable...sm
and vote them out if they are not doing their job. You turn a deaf ear to anything the dems on this board have to say, only causing us to tune you out when you keep the broken record going.
yes, I asked you...but I asked you a specific question...
about the peace movement. I asked why you did not take your ideals to the real enemies of peace...and your answer was that you leave them to God but will instead preach to us not to fight them, even when they bring the fight to us. So be it.

We will agree to disagree.

I did not personally call you a whiner. As to who sent the military...I will say one thing. When you join the military, you take an oath. That oath has been posted here. You are under no illusions. You know that you may be called to war. It is an all voluntary army over there now. There is no draft. No one is over there because they were forced to go.

As to the people sending having never been...what has that got to do with anything?It was not just George Bush and Dick Cheney, Lurker. It was Congress. Many in Congress do have relatives, even sons and daughters, in Iraq. Have you read the resolution? It is very clear. They knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what it meant. I do not buy the lied to hooey. The Senate and House intelligence committees got the same briefings, or at least enough briefings to vote for the resolution. If they did not (in their own words) use due diligence before signing off on that resolution, whose fault is that? Certainly not Dick Cheney's or George Bush's.

Where were all these people when Clinton was calling for regime change? Because he was a Democrat they will follow him to war? You will see why I do not buy into their rhetoric.

And while I understand your big picture, as I have said over and over and you have never addressed, that will work only if the others in the big picture wish it to work. And if you honestly feel that God wishes that you lay down and let this country be overrun by terrorists, then so be it. I am not of the same mind.

The big difference is that I believe, as did Americans at the time of the Revolution, and that Americans did at the time of the Civil War...and that even some Americans did at the time of Viet Nam...some things are worth dying for. Most of our volunteer military feels the same.

When that is no longer the case, if you are successful in robbing that sense of patriotism from the generations to come without changing the minds of the enemies, where they feel that nothing is worth dying for...in my mind that will only bring death quicker, not keep it at bay, and the loss of the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

So, we agree to disagree.

God bless.
Couldn't ask for a better mayor....
Ditto on the Katrina and Rita chapter. Mayor Bill is top of the line. Wish he could stay forever.

I lived out West before moving back in...the commute to see friends and family was too much for me. That area experienced some of the same evolution as Sharpstown did in terms of mixed populations of ethnic populations, but without the benefit of the Super Neighborhood designation, at least as far as I know. It really has made a difference and that was the point I was trying to drive home about the proactive, inclusive approach. That progressive attitude is another thing that makes me really proud call Houston my home.
She was the mayor of W. fcol
You seriously think that folks didn't tell her about the people her children "associated" with? Really?????

I agree with the poster that this was poor judgement on Palin's part and on the part of the McC campaign for not vetting her better. She used her children as political fodder and put them out there for discussion.
The mayor of Chicago also spoke this...sm
morning explaining the need for city employee layoffs.
She also served in city council and mayor...
and on term as a governor gives her one year more governing experience obama has. And she DOES mean change from Washington politics...she is fAR removed from that. She has a reputation for reform, took on the good ol'boys in her own party and won. Those wanting change should be happy to see her.

She has an 80% approval rating in her state. That is unheard of. SHe must be doing something right, because not only Republicans live in alaska.

She is pro life. That is true. But you on this board have told me repeatedly I should not be a one-issue voter. So, lead by example.
How does this relate to the mayor of Salt Lake City??

nm


I suppose the meth labs just sprung up after she was Mayor, eh? (nm)
:p
Gee...they left out the Mayor of Detroit whining for money. What's up with that? sm
Detroit is just one of many with their hands out to the feds. Detroit has been a drain on the rest of Michigan for years. The best thing that can happen to Detroit is to cut it loose and float it up the St. Lawrence Seaway and then the rest of the state can get back to business...if there is any left that is.
Great speech by the mayor of Salt Lake City. sm
Speech by Mayor Rocky Anderson, democrat, on 10/27/07. They should bump Hillary and put this guy out there.

Salt Lake City, Utah --

Today, as we come together once again in this great city, we raise our voices in unison to say to President Bush, to Vice President Cheney, to other members of the Bush Administration (past and present), to a majority of Congress, including Utah’s entire congressional delegation, and to much of the mainstream media: “You have failed us miserably and we won’t take it any more.”

“While we had every reason to expect far more of you, you have been pompous, greedy, cruel, and incompetent as you have led this great nation to a moral, military, and national security abyss.”

“You have breached trust with the American people in the most egregious ways. You have utterly failed in the performance of your jobs. You have undermined our Constitution, permitted the violation of the most fundamental treaty obligations, and betrayed the rule of law.”

“You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human rights abuses of the sort never before countenanced in our nation’s history as a matter of official policy. You have sent American men and women to kill and be killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting justifications, without competent leadership, and without even a coherent plan for this monumental blunder.”

“We are here to tell you: We won’t take it any more!”

“You have acted in direct contravention of values that we, as Americans who love our country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical, outrageous ways. You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our constitutional system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink of fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation’s treaty obligations, federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of law.”

“Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false ‘patriotism,’ our world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before.

It has been absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous acts, causing such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you wear your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your God-is-on-my-side nonsense – when what you have done flies in the face of any religious or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling – and disgraceful. What part of “Thou shalt not kill” do you not understand? What part of the “Golden rule” do you not understand? What part of “be honest,” “be responsible,” and “be accountable” don’t you understand? What part of “Blessed are the peacekeepers” do you not understand?

Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our nation, for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly as we can, ‘We won’t take it any more!’ ”

“As United States agents kidnap, disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify, you deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women and children, and to the good name and reputation of the United States, so appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to call upon you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent, true to our nation’s values, and with high moral principles to stand in your places – for the good of our nation, for the good of our children, and for the good of our world.”

In the case of the President and Vice President, this means impeachment and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent, complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability.

It means the election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most of the presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating invasion and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to the moral and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.

In the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who are diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available National Intelligence Estimates, before voting to go to war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will jealously guard Congress’s sole prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation permitting warrantless wiretapping of communications involving US citizens, and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment.

We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who have wronged our country – and the world. They were enabled by members of both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic mainstream news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American people – 40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks – a people who know and care more about baseball statistics and which drunken starlets are wearing underwear than they know and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.

As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship -- as veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and women, as students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual orientations, and faiths -- we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: “You have violated your solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You have brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and illegality of immense, tragic, unprecedented proportions.”

“But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of the imperial bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who must take a stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say ‘We won’t take it any more.’”

If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we need to be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders – the leadership has to come from us. If we don’t insist, if we don’t persist, then we are not living up to our responsibilities as citizens in a democracy – and our responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we signal to Congress and the Bush administration – and to candidates running for office – and to the world – that we support the status quo.

Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what’s right and never letting down can we say we are doing our part.

Our government, on the basis of a campaign we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to the United States. Our government, acting in our name, has caused immense, unjustified death and destruction.

It all started five years ago, yet where have we, the American people, been? At this point, we are responsible. We get together once in a while at demonstrations and complain about Bush and Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic news media. We point fingers and yell a lot. Then most people politely go away until another demonstration a few months later.

How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they have spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment have indeed become the opiate of the masses.

Why is this country so sound asleep? Why do we abide what is happening to our nation, to our Constitution, to the cause of peace and international law and order? Why are we not doing all in our power to put an end to this madness?

We should be in the streets regularly and students should be raising heck on our campuses. We should be making it clear in every way possible that apologies or convoluted, disingenuous explanations just don’t cut it when presidential candidates and so many others voted to authorize George Bush and his neo-con buddies to send American men and women to attack and occupy Iraq.

Let’s awaken, and wake up the country by committing here and now to do all each of us can to take our nation back. Let them hear us across the country, as we ask others to join us: “We won’t take it any more!”

I implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where your own moral breaking point is. How much will you put up with before you say “No more” and mean it?

I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal morality: I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has voted to fund the atrocities in Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who will not commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible, from Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has supported legislation that takes us one step closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping, disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.

If we expect our nation’s elected officials to take us seriously, let us send a powerful message they cannot misunderstand. Let them know we really do have our moral breaking point. Let them know we have drawn a bright line. Let them know they cannot take our support for granted – that, regardless of their party and regardless of other political considerations, they will not have our support if they cannot provide, and have not provided, principled leadership.

The people of this nation may have been far too quiet for five years, but let us pledge that we won’t let it go on one more day – that we will do all we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral degradation, and the disintegration of our nation’s reputation in the world.

Let us be unified in drawing the line – in declaring that we do have a moral breaking point. Let us insist, together, in supporting our troops and in gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans gave so much, that we bring our troops home from Iraq, that we return our government to a constitutional democracy, and that we commit to honoring the fundamental principles of human rights.

In defense of our country, in defense of our Constitution, in defense of our shared values as Americans – and as moral human beings – we declare today that we will fight in every way possible to stop the insanity, stop the continued military occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral depravity reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and torture of people around the world.

In fact, the number of labs increased after Palin became mayor nm
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I never asked you what you did. sm
I made the statement that you are a whiner.  I would never tell the personal information some of you have on here, just for safety's sake if nothing else.
YOU ASKED ME !!!!..

I do not remember specificially but you asked me where were my legs and my mouth. What did I do besides coming to the C board and whining and I answered you.


The peace **movement** as you call it is different from a peaceful nonviolent approach to life. The movement is but one small fraction of trying to live a life of nonviolence. The **movement** shows its face big time when a tragedy the size of Iraq erupts but most of the time we work behind the scenes.


Again, this is our board, I'll preach to the choir as much as I want. If you don't like it, don't read it, how simple is that.


You seem to see promotion of a peaceful existence as one thing and that is resistance to war, or conflict or whatever they are calling it these days. It's all about the **them**, the politburo, the Viet Cong, the communists, the socialists, the terrorists. I don't see things that way. I see a bigger picture, bigger than this country or Iraq or Iran or China or this planet or this galaxy. I have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to behave towards my fellow man. There are no riders attached. That is the part that seems to be so hard for you to deal with. Christ instructed us to love our brothers as ourselves, to do for the least of our brethern as if we were doing for Him. He does not say, except for the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the bums, the slackers, the liars and thieves...there are no riders. That is for Him to sort out, not me.


The terrorists you refer to are everywhere. It is a mind set, not a place.  They are here in our country, they are certainly in Europe, in the Philippines, in Africa, in the islands of the South Pacific, Indonesia. It makes no sense to go somewhere else and protest. We have to look at ourselves first, always. Your approach seems to be to wage war on everyone. I think that is an exercise in futility.  I will stick with my approach. I will continue to pray, continue to do the things I have always done. I empathize with your position, knowing where you come from but I will never see killing as a way to accomplish anything positive. I also sincerely truly and honestly believe the terrorists hate each other more than they hate us and that we would not be in any more danger if we left Iraq than if we stay; in fact, I think just the opposite, the longer we stay, the worse things will become. It is a horrible position our troops have been put into. They were sent into an immoral, unethical, illegal snake pit by people who have never seen a day of combat in their lives, who got out because they had **other priorities.** And now they're stuck and we're stuck and whatever way we extricate ourselves it will not have a good outcome. My own personal opinion is that it is better to get out now and save what lives we can. I know you disagree, so be it.


By the way, I have one question for those of you who have served in the military or have husbands who have done so or are still doing so, doesn't the fact that people like Cheney with 5 deferments bother you/them. That no one who has sent people into war have actually been there themselves. Doesn't that bother you??


As you asked, here's a few...

These are just from the past week.  There's plenty, plenty more, a veritable ton to choose from......


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Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are.


What a twisted value system. Twisted.


Here she is folks...the aspiring Ann Coulter of the liberal board.


Don't pretend you actually talk about issues here. You don't.


You do not believe your own platform.


Yeah....liberal compassion. I see a LOT of that on this board....
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Ahh....the writ handed down from she who decides who and who does not deserve compassion. lol.


You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic.


Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white.


Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...


Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.


What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.


Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing


You have so much class, reveille...really, so much class. You could not debate an issue if your life depended upon it. Let us hope that it never does.
 
LOL. You do love to wallow in it.... (to Piglet)


 


Once again, you get what you asked for
I gave it to you and you want to call it retoric. You just can't stand it because you have nothing else to go on. Your own man for president is disliked by his own VP. Strange bed fellas indeed. Gotta wonder what's going on there and just how Obama got talked into Biden for his VP.

Didn't you say show us your facts? What about it don't you like? I admit, it doesn't look good does it?

At least Palin wasn't caught putting down McCain left and right. That bothers you I know but too bad.

You can you tube it and find it yourself since even proof isn't good enough for you.

Such denial you guys are in.
I just asked him and he said

he is FOR the secret ballots because he said that companies start intimidating workers when the subject of unions come up, telling them, we will have to cut your pay, prices will go up, we will have to lay off most of our workers and finally, "we'll have to close our doors."  So it cuts both ways.  I'm sure he'll be more than happy to expound on  his RABID pro-union stance if you're sure you're ready for that.  LOL


Yes, I know Todd Palin is a card-carrying union member and good for him but that still doesn't mean I want to see his wife in the White House!!!!


He was never asked
if he spoke to dead presidents or anything about seances with Nancy Reagan.

I'm for Obama doing well but we do not need humor right now. We need some serious answers to what promises he is going to keep to us and what he is going to do to help us.

Granted, this was the first conference I think he's had (I think, not sure), but don't joke. Jokes are not what we need. He needs to take some time, get acclimated, first get sworn in, show the people he is going to do what he promised, and then there will be time for jokes. This was not appropriate.

And he needs to tell the reporters who as the absolute a$$nine questions, that he is there to answer questions about his plans, not his personal life.
You asked for it...
**Fellow Business Executives:***

**As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned**
**myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and**
**that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.**

**To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have**
**to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot**
**increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we**
**will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been**
**eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't**
**know how to choose who will have to go.**

**So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8**
**Obama bumper stickers on our employees ' cars and have decided these**
**folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way**
**to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.**

**If you have a better idea, let me know.**

**Sincerely,***



*J.D.*

asked, but --
x
He also said when asked..(sm)

Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?


"Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice."


So which is it?


Of course I make fun of republicans, just like you guys make fun of dems.  So what else is new?  I'll tell you what.  I'll name one republican who I think is reasonable, and you name one democrat who you think is reasonable.  I'll go first.


How about John McCain's daughter....Meghan McCain.  She is 24 years old, just out of college, and smart as a whip.  She has a column on The Daily Beast.  I think she leans a little more towards the center, but is definitely a fiscal conservative.  Give her about 8 years and if she goes into politics she will be a force to be reckoned with.  Check out these interviews. 


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645772


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645895


Who asked you?
.
You asked....
here ya' go.
I was asked what I do besides whine, where..
were my legs. This is in response to something on the other board. Again, let me reiterate, I was ASKED.
I asked a question
About Casey Sheehan becuase I honestly didn't know and I have not seen that before.

As far as throwing troops to the dogs, I never said that, I said bring them home, and I am not sure how that got interpreted in to throwing them to the dogs.

But as usual, the conservative posters love to put words in our mouths.

Sigh ...


uhhh well so far I have never asked one of you if you...
pee venom? So far you have the sole capture on that lovely piece trash talk.
I do understand it, which is why I asked you
xx
You asked the supporters why and they
gave you what they thought, why are you "attacking" this person because you don't like their answer.

It is truly a ridiculous question. It is a flippin' pin. Does it really matter? Shouldn't we be more interested in the people who are running views and formats, be they Democrat or Republican. Why do we keep getting caught up in all of this garbage?!!

Many people were taught that the hand goes on the chest during the pledge and you sing the anthem.
No I asked if someone could tell me why he doesn't and no one knows sm
instead you want to say it is just silly. Who is attacking whom?
Asked and answered...
...ad nauseam!
If you were homeless and asked for one...
you would have gotten it...along with a ride wherever you wanted to go after you voted. lol.
For the poster who asked for me to

was a Moslem.........


The rag was himself while on  "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama was talking about his religion and said, " My Muslim faith" and then said when questioned that he "made a mistake".    


Is that enough citing for you or do you not believe what he said either? 


You blind O lovers need to open your eyes folks!


Blindness will get you nowhere when he has sold your country down the river to the terrorists. 


I didn't ask how old it was, I asked
if any of you Republicans want to address it.  Apparently not.  Do you REALLY think the idea is dead?   Oh yeah, now I remember, Republicans. Hallaluja and amen.
I've never been asked either.
I was quite shocked really.  The first time I went to vote I had my voter registration card on me and my driver's license to show them, but they never asked.  Then when I told them that my address had changed, they didn't ask for proof of that, they just marked out my old address and wrote in my new one.  Too easy to mess with the system and that was in a small hillbilly town.  I can't imagine how easy it would be in a huge town.
I asked my parents about this
and they both laughed at me. My father comes from a very politically involved family. My dad tells me things were very charged when Kennedy ran and especially when Nixon ran. He has especially bad memories of the Nixon campaign.
Who asked you to trust me? (sm)
I really don't care if you trust me or not.  That's just rediculous.  Don't trust me...look something up for a change.  I'm simply stating facts.  What you need to do is just admit you got busted and quit digging yourself into a deeper hole. 
I asked what is wrong with this? s/m
Obama just said in his speech:  "I ask you to believe, not so much in my ability to bring about change but in your's."  I think he sure got that one right.
That is my point, WE don't get asked to
handed a pay cut and told it is a 'good thing.' You don't get a chance to be willing to take a pay cut.
this is exactly why I asked the questions I did -
everybody else either has to make it on their own or fail - they obviously have been ripping the American public off for years - a quality product could have been made for a lot less money. Why should we have to bail them out now? The problem is they don't want to lose those big bonuses and big paychecks and actually have to get a job like the rest of us do!
LOL...I'm glad you asked...(sm)

No....When I get spooked I walk around the house peeking into closets and under beds with whatever is handy....LOL. 


I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...

I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...

I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
no, i dont, that's why i asked
is it relating to the posts below?

because those were about someone's personality, not the way they looked.

Why are you trying to argue? all i asked was a question, if the OP wants to answer, that's fine, answer and we can have a discussion
No -- Obama was asked about the

war on terror (which is where the word terrorists comes from), and Obama responded with the "moderate Muslims" reply. 


I know it's hard to be told you're wrong, so I won't bother wasting my breath.  You think what you want.  Here's a new one for this board, brace yourself -- not everyone shares your opinion.


You asked, I answered.
I don't think fairy tales make for good foreign policy. Pre-emptive war under false pretenses that kill over 100,000 people waged in the WRONG COUNTRY to avenge daddy's honor and advance mythical global hegemony. No, Lu, the shrub has not made us safer, though you are free to give credit where you see fit. I would never try to talk down a blind Bushie but I can state with unwavering certainty that there are better, smarter, more honest and less deadly approaches to foreign policy, which you are about to witness first-hand on the dawn of this new era.
I asked this before, why should the government be able to tell me what to buy?
I know they are getting food stamps from the government, but why should that give the government the right to tell them what they have to eat?

I don't get it really why you think the government should stay out of your life, but then if you are poor, the government should have the right to control your life in every aspect.

If they want to eat poorly, then eat poorly. If someone gives you money for a birthday gift, do they get to then tell you how to spend it?
I was only addressing the question I asked below. SM

Which was never answered. I do not believe I have addressed Hillary at all.