Show us how her experience is "more" than Obama's.
Posted By: She served herself while she was at it. sm on 2008-08-29
In Reply to: She has more experience than your #1 chair... - sam
Nothing wrong with serving local community, but never hurts to serve yourself while you're at it. Thing is, other than showing how squeaky clean she is and playing into the public perception of government corruption, what exactly did she do for the PEOPLE in the community?
Of course she pro-life. Of course she is against gay marriage. Anything less would have spelled political suicide for McCain, especially after all the uproar from the right when he was considering one of his own maverick choices…Tom Ridge. Towing party line ..despicable in democrats, according to you, but GREAT when the republicans do it. Double standards do not enhance one's credibility.
She got rid of him, all right, along 35 of his appointees (she was one among them). Just wondering on what grounds they were all fired. Guilt by association, perhaps? Like the poster said, beware the woman scorned.
Don't have to be careful about the lack of experience issue. McCain has killed that one by his own hand. Careful, Sam, your bias is showing again. By what stretch of the imagination does 8 years serving a tiny Alaska community and less than 2 years as governor with no identifiable benefit to the voters who put her there constitute more experience than 7 years as a state senator, 3 war on terrorism years in the US senate, and a successful bid for the party nomination for the highest office in the land (a position of popular mandate, NOT selection by one man)? Holds plenty of water now, thanks to your #1 chair. Enlighten us, please.
Service to the people? What programs here directly served her citizens instead of her own personal agenda? Slashing funds for local construction projects? Where's the meat here? Ethics clean-up her main claim to fame? She's going to have to come out and play with the big boys now. Whistelblowing not likely to win her any Miss Congeniality contests in DC. How many of us "little people" want her to be on the other end of that 3 a.m. phone call? What's will she do, tell them to go clean their house? Pitiful.
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I think it's the meaning of "more" that evades you. SM
*No more of a radical than Jesus* IS a comparison.
She has as much experience as Obama....
and she is second chair, not first chair. We get Obama's experience level in first chair. This argument really doesn't hold water. No wanting to start a fight...but she actually has experience running a state. He doesn't. So actually...she has more experience than he does. Don't really think, and I mean no disrespect...the no experience thing holds water.
Sorry, but Obama has a lifetime of experience
next to this moose-stew-loving chick! WT*?! What was he thinking when he chose her?! Obviously, not about this country and what happens if she needed to takeover!
Obama's take on his own executive experience...
Obama: Running campaign counts as executive experience
Tuesday September 2, 2008
Talk about resume padding! He compares his experience running a campaign (which, btw should come as a surprise to his campaign manager) with her experience as mayor and totally ignores her experience as governor and Cooper lets him get away with it.
COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question -- your -- some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska.
What's your response?
OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year.
You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.
So, I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years. And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.
Maybe he should practice this response a little more before he plants it with another reporter.
BTW, Hot Air has the unedited transcript if you are interested in how he really sounded when he answered the question. He is quite liberal in his use of "uh." For someone with a reputation of being articulate, he sure uses a lot of them.
Update: Here's the McCain campaign's response:
"For Barack Obama to argue that he's experienced enough to be president because he's running for president is desperate circular logic and it's laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama's inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin's executive experience managing a budget of over 10 billion dollar dollars, and more than 24,000 employees." --Tucker Bounds, spokesman John McCain 2008
16 presidents with less experience than Obama...
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html
1. Abraham Lincoln,
2. FDR
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. John Adams
6. Grover Cleveland
7. Ronald Reagan
8. Howard Taft
9. Bill Clinton
10. George Bush
11. Chester A. Arthur
12. Herbert Hoover
13. Jimmy Carter
14. Benjamin Harrison
15. Ulysses S. Grant
16. William Harrison
BTW, I do not make such important decisions as selecting a president based on YouTube sound bytes, so no, I did not bother with the video. My vote is between me and my candidate, based on exactly the things I listed in the previous post, which I stand by 100%.
He has more experience than Obama in foreign policy and that cannot...
be disputed. He did add that with Joe Biden; however, I still say it will look odd to foreign leaders if Biden goes to all his meetings with him. McCain can instill any number of advisors and/or his VP pick to help where he lacks in knowledge of the economy. Frankly, I would rather have the economy knowledge in the second chair than the foreign policy knowledge. Because if we get pulled into a confrontation with someone who we know for sure unequivocally DOES have nukes...well, you get my drift.
McCain does not plan to stay at war for 100 years. That was taken completely out of context and not what he said at all. What he said was that there could be an American presence there for 100 years in the form of bases. There are American bases all over the world. We still have bases in Germany and that war has been over for what...60 years or more? If the world lasts 100 years past WWII, those bases will still be there. THAT is what McCain was talking about. Not staying at war for 100 years. We have bases in South Korea, and that war has been over for 50+ years.
I could start pulling out all the Obama quotes but his followers don't care. I have never seen such a group myopic view about one individual. It seems like if he got up on a podium and said I really don't plan to do anything I say I will do, I am just like all the politicians before me, they would chant back "we don't care, we don't care, we don't care." Such is blind devotion. This goes way past a politician and party members.
How do you know McCain has no plans to help Americans through hard times? I can tell you one thing that should not be done is impose harsher taxes on the small family businesses in this country who employ a lot of people. All that does is either cause those companies to go offshore or fold, and then you have even more unemployed and add to the government ticket. But oh...what am I thinking. That is what Democrats want. The more beholden people are to the government, the better Democrats like it. When I say Democrats, I mean the Democratic party hierarchy. I do NOT lump all Democrats together and demonize the whole group as other posters here tend to do with Republicans. Even lump Independents in with the Republicans because they are "not Democrats." That is a decidedly unDEMOcratic attitude, unAmerican attitude. One would surmise the socialism thing is already working...well of course it is. How many times in the speech did we hear tax the rich and the disappearing middle class? Class socialism...redistribute that wealth.
Yeah, Obama's executive experience
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Incoming junior senator from Illinois Burris more qualified/more experience than Obama...
just the facts, ma'am.
Show me where Obama has said he would provide
did not earn income. Try to stay on task with this Sam. The associations argument is a one-way conversation headed toward a dead-end destination. Let's talk PROGRESSIVE TAX...which is the central issue here.
SP seems to be fine with windfall profits....call them what you like, rebate of whatever, but they are still windfall profits redistributed oil company revenues to the owners of "collectively owned resources"...her words, not mine.
Did you look at the chart? Do you have any comment on those telling historical rates? What about McCain's intent to keep the progressive tax structure as is...since it has serve our CAPITALIST economy well in the past.
Your argument is bankrupt. No soup for you.
Check the new show about Obama at 9EST
Studies show that Barrack Obama
has had a major advantage in this election because of the liberal leaning media. Here is how balanced the news media has been.
Including all the media in one lump....there were 57% negative McCain articles and only 29% negative Obama articles.
In newspapers.....69% negative McCain and only 28% negative Obama.
NBC....54% negative McCain and only 21% Obama.
MSNBC.....73% negative McCain and only 14% negative Obama.
Fox News.....40% negative McCain and 40% negative Obama.
Looks to me like the only media that seems to be fair to each candidate would be.....would you look at that.....Fox News. At least Fox News covers both sides and lets their viewers decide instead of just showing more negative Obama articles to try and swing our decisions like all the other news media appears to be doing in favor of Barrack Obama.
I agree with Obama's decision to not show them. (sm)
It would embolden our enemies and help to recruit more terrorists. I thought Obama, once again, listened to both sides and then made his decision. If only Bush could have done that, instead of only hiring aides that would reflect HIS views and discarding those who didn't, including some of those "generals on the ground" that Bush claimed to honor.
I don't understand the posts below about Obama showing the photos. Last I heard, the complete opposite was true. Did something change, or are these comments just another attempt to completely ignore the truth in order to continue their assault on Obama, regardless of whether it's true or not?
Why wont Obama just show his long-form
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Just goes to show the j@ckas@es/crooks running the show!
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Many repubs voting for Obama in my experience..OR NOT VOTING ..only
only a few stragglers left, like the 26 percent who don't hate Bush.
Beck says - almost every show - that he is NOT doing a news show.
He does an opinion show - meaning HIS opinion. As such, he's entitled to stick pins in little Obama dolls for all I care.
I can hear Chris Wallace laughing at you folks from here because it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that knows zip about Beck, or Wallace for that matter. In fact, I can't think what Wallace has to do with Beck anyway. Everyone of INTELLIGENCE who watches Beck and Wallace is perfectly aware that one does one type of show and the other does another.
But what do you expect from one of George Soros' puppet sites like Media Matters and Move Bowels.org?
You really should delete your Favorites list and start over.
Saw the show. It was a guest on the show....
not a commentator. Why don't you post the link to the clip so everyone can decide?
Show me who your friends are and I’ll show you who you are.’
This subject is not old, and is very, very relevant.
Obama's friends/associates (supposedly former friends and associates, only since this campaign):
Ayers
Wright
Dorhn
Michelle
Khalidi
The company he keeps:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=
I find it very, very troubling, that this man has no visible friends, other than the ones above (not Michelle, although she has been kept under lock and key out of public sight for some time now, so as to keep her from embarrassing herself again).
Does this man not have any other friends/associates, other than the ones above?
Experience. (nm)
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I'm not sure how someone with no experience can
Experience
You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143
days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of
being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143
days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of
experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor
after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the
time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he
logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the
Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work
experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of
the Free World .... 143 days.
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is an okay start, but after 143
days, that's all it is - a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and
campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet
some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!
Please forward this before it's too late!
In my experience
I am ashamed to say I have a relative living off welfare. He and his wife use their 4 kids and one grandson to support themselves. They are part of the 40% who don't pay taxes at all. This past year they got around $2,000 in tax refunds. They bought a swimming pool and a trampoline. The rest was a down payment on their 3rd car. Every vehical is newer than what I drive. I have no problem with tax cuts for people who NEED them. Instead of giving people like this free money why not use it in a more deserving area. Maybe some of those truly needing welfare could use it for job training. Or put it towards the elderly who have worked there whole lives.
My experience...
First day, early voting. Walk into Baum Center, NC, to vote. Two feet from door, two chairs with end table between. What's on end table? Time magazine with SP on the cover. After standing in line and being made aware of this, I went over and promptly turned magazine over. Didn't want to make a scene. Called local board of elections, state board of elections, and local democratic party headquarters. Apparently, my first call did the trick. Within half an hour, I received a call from democratic party hearquarters that the magazine was no longer there for everyone to see as soon as they walked in to vote. Yeah for me! I did my job today. Let's all be observant. It may not seem blatant, but it really is.
my view on experience is...
I don't think experience is that big of an issue - nobody has "experience" at being the President of the United States until they get elected - and I don't think that the experience that Hillary claims is any real experience anyway.
I am excited at the prospect of having somebody in office who has no "experience" - maybe they will really want to "change" the way the "experienced" people have been doing things!
She's the only one of the four with executive experience
Obama has little experience even as a legislator, but you believe this smart woman with executive leadership experience is less qualified to be president should it come to that? No, I don't think so.
She has more experience than your #1 chair...
has no reverend wright, has no William Ayers, is exactly the change Washington needs. I believe when comparisons start to be made, if change is indeed what you want...she is definitely NOT a washington insider and has a reputation for being a reformer. I thought your candidate wanted change from Washington politics. Has that changed? Oh...it is good when he says it, but here is someone who is exactly what he said Washington needs...oohhhhh but she is not a Democrat. Got it.
Experience issue will not go away soon.
Whether or not a candidate is "ready" to lead is the voter's prerogative to investigate...or not. I hate nasty politics too and often will turn a blind eye to it. On the other hand, checking into it from time to time does give one a better perspective on just how divided our country has become and what issues flames the fires of discontent the most. Voters also decide whether malcontents should be left to stew in their own juices or if they are addressing legitimate, common concerns in an inappropriate manner that require attention from our highest leadership.
Beyond that, judgments must be made as to which candidate, party, issues, policies, etc. best represent not only the individual's best interests and their vision of what America is or is not, but also the best interest of the nation as a whole...another purely subjective and biased concept, depending on who you talk to. It's the nature of the beast.
What I believe about research is that it is much more valuable as a process, rather than a final destination. If one is able to come out of their comfort zone and expose themselves to many sides of the same issue, it is their own reactions and gut instincts that will help them better identify, define, prioritize, express and embody their own personal political beliefs. If the objective of research is a drive-by pot shot, the insight gained will be as fleeting and as memorable as chat room archives.
Hey - just asking, Speaking from experience.
That's why I work at home.
She already has more executive experience than your guy...
and he is 1st chair. All those negatives you posted are positives for a lot of people. THe state ethics committee investigation is not over yet, and frankly, a state trooper who tasers an 11-year-old (oh he asked me to) SHOULD be fired in my humble opinion. And a state trooper who threatens the life of his estranged wife and her parents should not be wearing the uniform of a state trooper. But that is just me, I guess.
I am sure the people of Alaska are thrilled to hear that the Democrat supporters of Obama are marginalizing them into nothing because they have smaller population than Austin, Texas.
All this kind of post does is show how petty, vindictive and mean people can get when their backs are up against the wall and they think they might lose.
The DNC should have thought about all this before they took on the Clintons. Howard Dean messed up big time.
Executive experience is a big zero
You showed up late today so rather than repeating everything that has already been said on this imponent executive experience media mantra thing, please catch up on your reading. Also, the issue of her not running has been exercised in light of the very real possibility that she would be positioned to take over sooner rather than later. Besides, the Bimbos Unite! cult sure seems to think she is running for president. You will notice just how absent McCain has been from the spotlight since yesterday morning. The notion that our party is somehow fractured or not strongly unified is more of your delusional thinking. McCain took care of that when he decided to insult most of thinking women in this country by selecting a token female he met once to save his sinking ship. Strategy is lame, transparent and has actually created an angry backlash from Hillary supporters and women in general that will make Hurricane Gustav look like a a flushing toilet. You got no idea what you are talking about when you try to analyze the democratic party but please do us all a favor and continue to feed your delusions. theonly thing that's going to come back and bite bigtime is what's-her-name calling Hillary a whiner and McCain calling US economic refugees whiners. We do agree on one thing here. Sweeeeet!
How can we make a man with less experience than the #2...
on McCain's ticket...? In the world the way it is today? I see far less danger on the other side...just my opinion.
you know in my experience in the MT field I have
than those that have 15+ years of experience in the MT field. It depends on the person and how they handle the knowledge they have...
Experience....but have no doubt...
McCain/Palin will bring change with their experience. Just not the kind of social marxist change the dems want to enforce.
I have no faith in any kind of so-called change from any current member of the Democratic party.
This is the experience currently being discussed.
Before answering the question, please read the following. This is posted in response to pub spin that would assert SP is better qualified to lead the country because of O's lack of experience. Of special note are the numerous foreign relations committee diplomatic initiatives listed below. Of course, I would be interested in any comparabl experience SP may have that the pubs can produce. I have saved this post and will be using it in reply to any similar assertions made by pubs in the future whenever I encounter them. Hope format is not too seedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama
In Illinois senate O Worked to get BIPARTISAN support on legislation on:
1. Ethics reform.
2. Health care reform.
3. Sponsored bills for earned income tax credits for low-income workers.
4. Provisions for $100 million in tax cuts to families.
5. Provisions for early childhood education.
6. Welfare reform.
7. Childcare subsidies.
8. Funding for churches and community groups.
9. Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee.
10. Instituted requirement for transparent videotaped police interrogations of suspects in capitol cases after a number of death row inmates were found innocent.
11. Measures against racial profiling.
12. Campaign finance reform.
13. Restrictions on lobbyists activities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama
In US Senate:
1. Senate Committee (SC) on Foreign Relations.
2. SC on Health.
3. SC on Health.
4. SC on Labor and Pensions.
5. SC on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
6. SC on Veterans' Affairs.
7. Member of Congressional Black Caucus.
8. Chairman of the Subcommitte on European Affairs.
9. Border security and Immigration reform. Cosponsor "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act introduced by JM.
10. Added 3 amendments to the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act.
11. Supported Secure Fence Act for security improvements along US-Mexico border.
12. Cosponsored Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006.
13. Introduced expansions to Cooperative Threat Reduction Program to secure and dismantle weapons of mass destruction and their associated infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
14. Sponsor of Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security and Democracy Promotion Act, signed by Bush, to restore basic services like clinics and schools, train a professional, integrated and accountable police force and military, and otherwise support the Congolese in protecting their human rights and rebuilding their nation.
15. As member of Foreign Relations Committee, he made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa. His 2005 trip to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan focus on strategy planning for the control of world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons and WMDs and defense against potential terrorist attacks.
16. January 2006, met with US military in Kuwait and Iraq. Visited Jordan, Israel and Palestinian territories. Asserted preconditions that US will never recognize legitimacy of Hamas leadership until they renounce elimination of Israel.
17. August 2006, official trip to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad where he made televised appearance addressing ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.
18. Worked on Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, signed into law, to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions.
19. Cosponsored bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections to include fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls.
20. Cosponsored climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050.
21. Promoted liquefied coal production of gas and diesel.
22. Introduced Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 to cap troop levels as prelude to phased troop withdrawal and removal of all combat brigades.
23. Cosponsored amendment to Defense Authorization Act safeguarding personality disorder military discharges.
24. Sponsored Iran Sanctions Enabling Act in support of divestment of state pensions funds from Iran's oil and gas industry.
25. Introduced legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism., provisions of which were added as amendments to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.
26. Sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance program providing one-year job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries, which passed both houses of Congress with bipartisan support but was ultimately vetoed by fearless George.
You must have EXECUTIVE experience
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Speaking from experience?
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Aaaah, experience, huh?
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And I say again....look at all the experience on the hill now....
and where did it get us? In the worst financial crisis since the depression. Frankly, at this point, "experience" means ZIP to me. I am ready for some good old common sense. I don't care if they talk "purty," I want some good DECISIONS. She is looking the best to me in that area!
I don't care about experience
I care about COMMON SENSE!!!
Im just tellin it from my experience
Any child born to american parents on american soil is a US citizen. I don't know about Japan but all the babies born in German hospitals even if their parents were americans were german until they registered them to US citizenship. With Obama his mother was US citizen but could not meet the 10 year residence requirement to apply for citizenship.
Nervous now? Needs more experience.
if another attack hits our country? What, he will be too nervous? Cannot imagine how he would respond.
who has experience being the President? nm
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Is this your experience as a gum flapper?
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Lacking experience?
That is really rich coming from an Obama supporter considering the little experience he had.....which I do believe his own VP commented on. Hmmm!
experience versus wisdom
to change the downward course of the nation. Haven't you been listening?
those are traits, not experience - see message
What you do and how you vote in your time in the senate, congress, as a governor, etc...THOSE are the skills needed to run a country. Knowing how our economy works, how to create jobs (and keep jobs), how to fight for the American people to give them health care we need, etc. How I decide to vote will be based upon a person's expereince and their voting record. Not if someone spent time as POW. Nobody is taking away from his horrible years. He is a true patriot, but like I said in my original message...being a POW does not automatically qualify you to be president.
Excuse me. He has all the experience, judgment
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Excuse me...a LIFETIME of experience???
Please post this lifetime of experience that qualifies him to be President? HE has had absolutely 0 executive experience. Zip, nada. She has been a governor since 2006. SHE is not running for President. Obama IS. No one knew who he was either until the last convention...when the DNC trotted him out, the first shot across the bow to kick the Clintons out of the top of the party. Howard Dean hates them. Well, I hope all their shennanigans come back to bite them. BIG TIME. How sweetttttt it is.
Change vs. experience - which is more important to you?
I was listening to a focus group on C-Span and this was a question given to the group:
Change vs. experience - which is more important to you?
Keeping this thread nice how would you answer?
If you cannot recognize inappropriate experience...
in a statesman perhaps you should not be commenting either? I love how Dems...who laud individual freedoms...want to curtail everyone else's who don't agree with them.
Former POW with McCain tells of war experience..sm
http://www.thenma.org/blogs/index.php/theveteransvoice/2008/07/05/former_pow_with_mccain_tells_of_war_expe
.....Though he seldom speaks of it, the only reason Knutson retells the horrific tale of his time in North Vietnam is to help people, especially children, realize the sacrifices others have made for their freedom. It’s a sacrifice he’s made, and it’s one McCain has made.
And that in itself tells Knutson what kind of president John McCain would be.
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