So because Snopes says so it is truth. Why not have a judge look at it and make the ruling?

• Birth certificate issue still pending - New Englander
  • There are all sorts of articles; just google - Obama birth cert. and Supreme Court. NM
  • interesting article. - sm
  • does this make sense? Surely, - linda
    • To Linda: - Marmann
      • To Marmann, Linda and others - see information - New Englander
    • No. - Marmann
      • Where there is smoke there is fire!! - SM
        • There is no smoke. There is only hot air... - Marmann
          • Snopes is not credible - Kaydie
          • So because Snopes says so it is truth. Why not have a judge look at it and make the ruling? - nm
    • CIA and FBI are working - on the birth certificate.
      • if that was true - ExMQMT
        • If that were true - woofer
          • Me, three. - Marmann
      • obama BC - haha

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It's part of the Chicago political machine and has a definite conflict of interest.

Research it for yourself if you don't believe me.  This is not directed towards you.  I'm just pointing this out for the rest of the readers here.

Sep 28, 8:09 PM EDT Soldier's mother 'ecstatic' about Obama's bracelet By DINESH RAMDE Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/Charles Dharapak Advertisement Buy AP Photo Reprints PHOTO GALLERY Latest Photos of Barack Obama Audio Slideshow On the Road with Obama Latest News Soldier's mother 'ecstatic' about Obama's bracelet Obama calls McCain economic ideas 'out of touch' Correction: Obama home-arrest story Obama effigy found hanging from Ore. campus tree Man arrested outside Obama home wanted job Multimedia Obama Picks Biden as Running Mate A look back at the tumultuous 1968 Democratic convention Iraq? Global Warming? Gay Marriage? See Where the Candidates Stand Your Questions Answered Ask AP: Hurricane reporters, property in Cuba MILWAUKEE (AP) -- The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" when Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama mentioned during Friday's debate the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son. Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that Obama remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb. Jopek criticized Internet reports suggesting Obama, D-Ill., exploited her son for political purposes. "I don't understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet," she said. Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates. But she said Obama's mention on Friday was appropriate because he was responding after Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, said a soldier's mother gave him a bracelet. "I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek, given to me in Green Bay," Obama said during the debate. "She asked me, 'Can you please make sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through?' No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." Jopek says Obama's comment rightfully suggested there's more than one viewpoint on the war. She wouldn't directly say whether she wanted Obama to refrain from mentioning the bracelet again, but said she hopes the issue will just go away. "I think these bracelets should be looked upon as an honor that both candidates wear them to respect the troops," Jopek said. "My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues, and that they continue to live up to the standards our military deserves." © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy. Click here for copyright permissions! Copyright 2008 Associated Press

with the final quote on banks, NBD.  The othes are quite pithy.

with the final quote on banks, NBD.  The othes are quite pithy enough.

Snopes.com leans to the left

July 29th, 2008 · No Comments · General Politics, Politics

I can see a blind conservative thinking that perhaps Snopes is politically motivated toward the left. However, just for fun, I looked up the issue of Osama Bin Laden’s family being flown out of the U.S. immediately following the 9/11 attacks, when most air traffic had been grounded. Snopes says this, too, was false. Here, it quotes heavily from the 9/11 commission. Members of the Bin Laden family, the commission concludes, were not flown out before air space were re-opened.

But Snopes, via the 9/11 commission citations, does show that the Bin Ladens were flown out September 20th. The FBI questioned them, but then let them fly out. The commission also says one of the FBI agents who questioned the family was a pilot for the flight, though the vagueness of the report could lead one to conclude that the FBI agent was a pilot in general and not the pilot of the flight. Which begs the question, why mention it at all unless they meant that an FBI agent was the pilot flying the Bin Laden escape plane in question…

Anyway, the point of the whole Bin Ladens leaving the States is that they were allowed to leave so effortlessly and with our government’s help. It sounds great to say the government flew them out when all air traffic was grounded, but that’s just icing. That Snopes claims the rumor is false while the underlying point that the U.S. flew the Bin Ladens out of the States is true shows that Snopes is no more left-leaning than right-leaning. It’s admirable. They seem to take the tack that “if part of statement is false, the whole statement is false.” Very mathematical.

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interesting. It is written by a black Christian man stating why he won't vote for Obama. If you just type in Huntley Brown Snopes, it will come up, it's the first link.

I am a fence rider, can't decide who to vote for, since neither one of them has actually given a plan as to what they are going to do for America, just a lot of trash talk from both sides and name calling and schoolyard tactics. Neither one has had to answer any direct questions regarding anything of value to me.

I am neither anti-Obama or anti-McCain; I am sure they are both decent men. I just found this interestingl it's not going to sway be either way, but just thought I would share it.

ye also twitch, snort, flinch and giggle.

Have you even bothered to take the time to notice that EVERY SINGLE POST ON THIS BOARD about Judge Roberts is a POSITIVE POST???

What planet are you from, anyway?  Is your life so pathetic that the only pleasure you get is from stalking people on this board in the bizarre way you do and constantly put them down personally?  Dang.  You need a Happy Meal, dude. 

Secondly, to my democratic friends, have any of you watched the John Roberts' confirmation hearings?  I have been watching for two days now..In fact, right now they are in recess, so I thought..let me check out the MTStars political board..MSN news video site on the computer has live hearings and they are fascinating..I have to tell you, so far I kind of like Judge Roberts..My only hesitation is Bush recommended him..

out the tests for those firerighters who studied hard and earned those promotions and didn't get them merely because they were all white with one hispanic man.  To me...that is racism right there.  They didn't get the promotions because of their skin color.  Had they been a more motley crew of races, they would have gotten those promotions.  It is truly a sad day when hard work and studying doesn't benefit you because your skin color isn't that of a minority. 

I'm all for equal rights between the races and all of these firefighters were given the same studying materials and the same amount of time to study.  How can you take away those promotions from the people who studied hard and scored the highest merely because most of them are white? 

This doesn't present a very good opinion of this judge so far to me.  She also made a comment about how with her experience and her being a latino women, she could make better decisions than a white male.  Racism?  Hello?  If  a white man had said that he could make better decisions than a black man, woman, or latino.....OMG.....the race card would have been thrown out and that would have been the end of his career.  Why is it that minorities are allowed to say racist things and be racist and that is okay, but the moment a white person says something remotely racist.......that is the end of that person's career.  More double standards.

without knowledge, based upon appearances. 

Can't see how this has anything to do with how I feel about Obama.  He has done and said quite enough for me to base an opinion on my knowledge of his actions.  Find another word to sling around.  Prejudice won't work.  Neither will racism. 

behavior by voting for/against him is officially over.  Break on through to the new millenium.

I don't find anything you write to be stimulating, intelligent, educational or worthy of debate.  And as far as patting people on the back, that's what you do on the Conservative board.  You bash liberals, ALL liberals, EVERY LIBERAL IN THE WORLD, and then the people with the crudest, rudest insults against liberals are patted on the back and high-fived by the rest of you.

Liberals don't discuss things like Repuglicants do.  We would rather be civil with people and find you incredibly distasteful human beings. They obviously call you neoCONS for a reason.  Your posts are nothing but litter...trash...garbage, and I for one, can't relate to and don't want to communicate with people who do nothing but prove how ignorant, childish, hateful, nasty, untruthful and uncouth they are.  Is this really the image you want to portray of your party?  Because that's what you're doing.

Why can't you just be happy on your own board and stay away from people who have asked you repeatedly to stay away because we're not interested in your rhetoric and your attacks?  Or, like your president, aren't you happy unless you're destroying things? 

A brief respite to people who respect the law and want to see warrants utilized.  Of course, All the President's Men in the Supreme Court will probably strike this down, so enjoy lawfulness while it lasts, no matter how brief it may be.

To everyone who claims liberals are on the side of the terrorists:  Note the word warrantless.  Liberals aren't against the use of wiretaps.  They're just against any President ignoring the law and having no oversight regarding his actions.  It doesn't take much time to fill out a boilerplate warrant.  If Bush doesn't want to employ an American to do this, maybe he can outsource this job to another country at a cheaper rate (please note sarcasm here), as is done with the confidential medical reports of Americans.

Judge nixes warrantless surveillance