Wikipedia & Snopes: kissin' cousins

• With friends like al-Qaida, who needs enemies? - Ivy
  • Rediculous .....right wing resources - Just the big bad
    • Then why don't you................sm - m
      • If you can't find them...well (sm) - Just the big bad
        • There are other sources...........sm - m
  • Of course jihadis are behind Obama............sm - m
    • Wanting to see W and his party bite the dust - is evidently a vision that at least....sm
    • Know what? - gourdpainter
    • sad but true. n/m - Ivy
  • Just one small question? - gourdpainter
    • what? - Ivy
      • Dem vs. GOP spending - clarity
        • Shoot - Let me know if you want image that bigger (NM) - clarity
      • Explanation........... - gourdpainter
        • Don't mean to rile you up but supposedly - Backwards typist
          • So true - Ivy
        • Not true - Ivy
          • So far as I know - gourdpainter
            • Her's what I meant - Ivy

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It's part of the Chicago political machine and has a definite conflict of interest.

Research it for yourself if you don't believe me.  This is not directed towards you.  I'm just pointing this out for the rest of the readers here.

The term new world order has been used to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. The first usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I. The phrase was used sparingly at the end of the Second World War when describing the plans for the United Nations and Bretton Woods system, in part because of the negative association the phrase would bring to the failed League of Nations. In retrospect however, many commentators have applied the term retroactively to the order put in place by the WWII victors as a new world order. The most recent, and most widely discussed, application of the phrase came at the end of the Cold War. Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and George H.W. Bush used the term to try and define the nature of the post Cold War era, and the spirit of great power cooperation that they hoped might materialize. Gorbachev's initial formulation was wide ranging and idealistic, but his ability to press for it was severely limited by the internal crisis of the Soviet system. Bush's vision was, in comparison, much more circumscribed and pragmatic, perhaps even instrumental at times, and closely linked to the First Gulf War. Perhaps not surprisingly, the perception of what the new world order entailed in the press and in the public imagination far outstripped what either Gorbachev or Bush had outlined, and was characterized by nearly comprehensive optimism.

and not wikipedia which is edited by the public, like you and I.... there's tons of other places to read about Odinga and Cousin Barack!!

Sep 28, 8:09 PM EDT Soldier's mother 'ecstatic' about Obama's bracelet By DINESH RAMDE Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/Charles Dharapak Advertisement Buy AP Photo Reprints PHOTO GALLERY Latest Photos of Barack Obama Audio Slideshow On the Road with Obama Latest News Soldier's mother 'ecstatic' about Obama's bracelet Obama calls McCain economic ideas 'out of touch' Correction: Obama home-arrest story Obama effigy found hanging from Ore. campus tree Man arrested outside Obama home wanted job Multimedia Obama Picks Biden as Running Mate A look back at the tumultuous 1968 Democratic convention Iraq? Global Warming? Gay Marriage? See Where the Candidates Stand Your Questions Answered Ask AP: Hurricane reporters, property in Cuba MILWAUKEE (AP) -- The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" when Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama mentioned during Friday's debate the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son. Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that Obama remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb. Jopek criticized Internet reports suggesting Obama, D-Ill., exploited her son for political purposes. "I don't understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet," she said. Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates. But she said Obama's mention on Friday was appropriate because he was responding after Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, said a soldier's mother gave him a bracelet. "I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek, given to me in Green Bay," Obama said during the debate. "She asked me, 'Can you please make sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through?' No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." Jopek says Obama's comment rightfully suggested there's more than one viewpoint on the war. She wouldn't directly say whether she wanted Obama to refrain from mentioning the bracelet again, but said she hopes the issue will just go away. "I think these bracelets should be looked upon as an honor that both candidates wear them to respect the troops," Jopek said. "My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues, and that they continue to live up to the standards our military deserves." © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy. Click here for copyright permissions! Copyright 2008 Associated Press

with the final quote on banks, NBD.  The othes are quite pithy.

with the final quote on banks, NBD.  The othes are quite pithy enough.

Well, we all know Wikipedia is not the best place to go for information. It's also one-sided. The below sentence really popped out at me at Beck's leaving:

"Though, as some have noted, this will leave a gaping hole in CNN's "department of embarrassing conservatives we keep around to help us appear unbiased," insiders expect that other irritable commentators will continue to step up in this area. "

Tell me, now, that CNN is not biased. Glenn Beck can be irritating at times, but he does have some good points.

Take the man whose stepdaughter disappeared 2 years ago in Mexico. He promised the father he and the network (CNN) would follow up on the story until they found out what happened to her. CNN refused to follow up, so that is one reason Beck left. Now he is on Fox and has talked to the father again and this time, he promised again that he and Fox will follow up on his story. He stated he now works for a network that cares for people.

As in every network story on any channel, you either believe everything you hear, or you watch, listen, learn, then take it for what it's worth. I chose, and it's still my right, to listen to all sides and make decisions based on all sides.

My point of the above post was to irony of cigarette taxes paying for children's healthcare. That was it. Federal studies show that taxing cigarettes does not fill the coffers. It has the opposite effect. As cigarette taxes go up, people quit smoking. So there is a deficit in taxes to pay for programs from the get go.

Snopes.com leans to the left

July 29th, 2008 · No Comments · General Politics, Politics

I can see a blind conservative thinking that perhaps Snopes is politically motivated toward the left. However, just for fun, I looked up the issue of Osama Bin Laden’s family being flown out of the U.S. immediately following the 9/11 attacks, when most air traffic had been grounded. Snopes says this, too, was false. Here, it quotes heavily from the 9/11 commission. Members of the Bin Laden family, the commission concludes, were not flown out before air space were re-opened.

But Snopes, via the 9/11 commission citations, does show that the Bin Ladens were flown out September 20th. The FBI questioned them, but then let them fly out. The commission also says one of the FBI agents who questioned the family was a pilot for the flight, though the vagueness of the report could lead one to conclude that the FBI agent was a pilot in general and not the pilot of the flight. Which begs the question, why mention it at all unless they meant that an FBI agent was the pilot flying the Bin Laden escape plane in question…

Anyway, the point of the whole Bin Ladens leaving the States is that they were allowed to leave so effortlessly and with our government’s help. It sounds great to say the government flew them out when all air traffic was grounded, but that’s just icing. That Snopes claims the rumor is false while the underlying point that the U.S. flew the Bin Ladens out of the States is true shows that Snopes is no more left-leaning than right-leaning. It’s admirable. They seem to take the tack that “if part of statement is false, the whole statement is false.” Very mathematical.

http://www.lekowicz.com/wren_forum/2006/03/14/705/

interesting. It is written by a black Christian man stating why he won't vote for Obama. If you just type in Huntley Brown Snopes, it will come up, it's the first link.

I am a fence rider, can't decide who to vote for, since neither one of them has actually given a plan as to what they are going to do for America, just a lot of trash talk from both sides and name calling and schoolyard tactics. Neither one has had to answer any direct questions regarding anything of value to me.

I am neither anti-Obama or anti-McCain; I am sure they are both decent men. I just found this interestingl it's not going to sway be either way, but just thought I would share it.