So did Obama. The search for Black identity, heritage,
Posted By: the American dream, and.....sm on 2008-10-25
In Reply to: Teddy wrote books about something other than himself! - Old part-timer
Renewing American Leadership: Foreign Affairs. He also made contributions to The State of Black America, Portrait of a Black male. Whether you realize it or not, these subjects are of interest many Americans and Transcend gender, race, ethnicity and religion.
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My hyphenated heritage would be
German-Irish-English-Welsh-Scottish-French-American. Whew! I feel better.
I used to date a guy who called himself a German-Irish Jewish-Catholic.
Obama winning BECAUSE he's black?
Do you hear yourself? You need a time out.
Why this black man can't vote for Obama
Why I can't vote for Obama: Worth the read!
I wanted to send this article from Huntley Brown - a fabulous concert pianist, a man of God and a black man. I appreciate so much his reasoning for not voting for Obama. I would like to see his article published or spread out via Email to as many as possible. It's good stuff!
Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it's worth repeating...
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.
God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
Think about this: You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a ...
1. Commitment to the White Community
2. Commitment to the White Family
3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and AL Sharpton would have been marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if it's a white church or a black church it's still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.' 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.' 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.
I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1 Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?
Blessings, Huntley Brown
Obama and the black vote...
I don't mean this offensively to you but don't you think since Obama may possibly be the first black President of the United States, that the majority of black people want to share in that historical moment? I may be a white lady or a "cracker" as the blacks sometimes call me, but I can understand the majority of black people wanting to vote for a black man for President.
Those are ethnic Alaskan names, part of her heritage and where she was raised...
do you REALLY want to get into a discussion about ethnic names when your candidate is named Barack Hussein Obama?
Can we please dump this ridiculous issue? He was named because his parents were proud of their heritage. So are Sarah Palin's children.
Good grief!! Unbelievable!!
You're right - Obama does look like a black Dickie.
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Will Obama be judged differently because he's black?
I never gave this a thought. The previous incumbent was so poor and Palin scared the bejesus out of me and McCain isn't that much of a maverick and doesn't know squat economically that I never let race enter into my voting decision. For me it was an obvious choice. (Not my first choice but by Nov. my only choice.)
If you read through this cnn.com article, you'll read that blacks who were innovative do feel they're or were held to different standards.
The very fact that this article is worthy of being printed surprises me.
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(CNN) -- Just days before he was sworn in, President Obama was giving his daughters a tour of the Lincoln Memorial when one of them pointed to a copy of Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address carved into the wall.
Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, told her father that Lincoln's speech was really long. Would he have to give a speech as long? Obama's answer was completed by his older daughter, 10-year-old Malia.
"I said, 'Actually, that one is pretty short. Mine may even be a little longer,' " Obama told CNN recently. "At which point, Malia turns to me and says, 'First African-American president, better be good.' "
The story is light-hearted, but it touches on a delicate question: Will people hold Obama to a different standard because he is the first African-American president?
Americans appear split by race on that answer. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, 53 percent of blacks say the American public will hold Obama to a higher standard than past presidents because he is black. Most whites -- 61 percent -- say Obama's race will not matter in how he will be judged.
The question divided several people who were racial pioneers themselves.
Alexander Jefferson was one of the first blacks allowed to become a fighter pilot. He was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots who escorted bombers in World War II.
"We had to be twice as good to be average," he says.
Obama won't face the same pressures he did because his presidential predecessor was so inept, Jefferson says.
"No, the world is ready for him," he says. "The [George W.] Bush debacle was so depressing."
Jefferson was shot down by ground fire on his 19th mission and spent a year in German prison camps. He wrote about his POW experiences in "Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free: Memoirs of a Tuskegee Airman and POW."
Jefferson says he dealt with the pressures of being a racial pioneer by drawing on the strength of black leaders who opened doors for him.
"I sit on the backs of everyone who came before me," says Jefferson, who attended Obama's inauguration with other Tuskegee Airmen.
Jefferson says he would have emotionally imploded if he'd thought too much about the pressures of representing all blacks and dealing with the racism he encountered when he returned home to a segregated America after the war.
"I did what I had to do so I didn't go stark-raving mad," he says. "There wasn't all this self-analysis and back and forth. I was too damn busy with a wife, a child and a mortgage."
Michele Andrea Bowen couldn't avoid a bout of constant self-analysis. She was one of the first African-American students admitted to a doctorate program in history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
"I know Obama is going to be held to a different standard," says Bowen, author of "Up at the College" and books such as "Holy Ghost Corner," which celebrate black faith and culture.
Bowen says she faced relentless scrutiny, and so will Obama.
"You know that it was hard for you to get in it, and you know they're watching you," Bowen says. "And you know that they're judging you by a critical standard that's sometimes not fair."
Bowen says a white classmate, her partner in dissertation, once confided to her that he received the same grades as she did, even though he knew his work was inferior.
"It toughened me up," Bowen says. "It can give you headaches and stomachaches. I learned you have to be thankful that God blessed you with that opportunity. At some point, you stop worrying, and you trust God."
'Would Bush have been president if he were black?'
Perhaps Obama will avoid those stomachaches because of the massive good will his election has generated. But that could change quickly if Obama makes a controversial decision or a mistake, says Andrew Rojecki, co-author of "The Black Image in the White Mind: Media and Race in America."
Rojecki says people who say Obama isn't going to be held to a different standard because of his skin color didn't pay attention to his campaign.
He says Obama had to deal with challenges that other candidates didn't have to face. Obama's run for office was almost ended by his association with his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose incendiary sermons shocked many.
But Republican presidential nominee John McCain's relationship with the Rev. John Hagee, who was accused of anti-Semitism, never threatened to end his campaign, Rojecki says.
"Obama was held responsible for what his minister said, and McCain was associated with Hagee, but somehow that didn't stick," says Rojecki, a communication professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Even people who regard themselves as the most progressive, open-minded supporters may subconsciously hold Obama to a different standard, Rojecki says.
He says several academic studies show that it often takes people longer to associate good qualities to blacks when different faces are flashed across a screen.
"They have these stereotypes buried in their subconscious," he says. "That's why people cross the street when they see a young black man. They'd rather not take a chance."
Obama virtually had to be perfect to overcome those stereotypes, Rojecki says. He was the first black Editor of the Harvard Law Review, he has an Ivy League-educated wife and adorable daughters, and he ran a great campaign.
"He's the perfect symbol of achievement," Rojecki says.
White candidates for office don't have to have an uninterrupted life of achievement to be considered for the Oval Office, Rojecki says.
"If George W. Bush were black, do you think he would be president?" Rojecki says.
Jefferson, the Tuskegee Airman, says Obama should have at least one consolation. The problems he confronts now are so immense that anyone, even someone who was considered by many to be perfect, would not be able to escape withering judgment.
"If the president was Jesus Christ, '' Jefferson says, "they would still debate if he's qualified."
This is for a serious discussion... Do you think Obama will help the black community to "change&#
I am watching a story on Nightly News maybe that's what this is... It is about what he will do for the "black community" I guess they call it. They then pointed out the murder rate between in that community, that African-Americans make up 13% of the population but 40% of the incarcerated, etc. etc.
My discussion would be this, do you think it will be a main focus for him to guide or change those young men and women into better things and do you also think that him simply becoming president gives the ones on a bad road reason to make more of their life?
obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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Obama's mother is white, his father was black, making him an oreo.
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Identity checks?
How do we know who these "individual contributors from the internet" really were? Is there a way to positively determine their true identities? Sounds like we need to know about this. I would really like to know if it is possible to confirm their true identities and where this cash is coming from.
Mistaken identity, for sure
Thanks! I saw no point in defending that accusation. I've only posted on this board for the last month or so, and not all that much, either. But Observer's name shows at almost the end of every thread, having the last word. And you don't have to read those posts to make an educated guess they're argumentative.
Identity Politics
The libs created this and now have no clue how to play the hand they dealt all these years. All the conservatives were automatically racists because of this, that, or whatever. I don't need anyone telling me what I have in my heart. And for the record, I do have more than just white friends.
Frankly, I'm loving them squirm.
Identity problem
I don't think he can decide what he is, democrat, independent, republican. Now republican who votes with the democrats?????????????????????
I think Lieberman has an identity problem.
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"Hoax limited to identity of story's SOURCE,
By my read, looks like the jury is still out on this one. They retracted the false (hoax) report that Eisenstadt was the source...but the story is still out there.
I did not see Palin deny this outright. I saw Palin say she would not comment on an answer to a question by an anonymous source until the source comes forward. I doubt that the alleged source will come forward, given the likely motivation behind the report. What I DO think is pertinent here is that many, many people INCLUDING Fox News find this report perfectly plausible, based on Palin's demonstration of BLATENT lack of knowledge of world affairs and foreign policy.
You know what they say. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression.
A CIA agent who needs to have her identity remain anonymous in order to possibly save her life. And
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Don't have to search
I have just noticed in reading the boards over the past month or so, you often bring up cigars and sex in the same sentence.
No searching necessary!
google search
The simple minded are so easily entertained.
Do a Google search...
apparently the liberal media shielded you well. If Bill Clinton was fair game, he had no one to blame but himself. The saddest thing of all is that he never learned from his mistakes.
Do a Google search
for what the winning Pick 3 lottery numbers were on November 5th.
A search of the archives from this board
Every single time you are challenged, you cannot dial it back even for a moment until you have had the last word. It is pathetic to think that you actually believe that you can bully your opponents into submission, but not suprising. Par for the course of a right-wing fanatic.
Again, search this board's archives to see
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That is not what I said. I will have to search for the specific case...
in this case, the school had a rule banning any kind of religious symbol. A girl wore a cross to school and she was told to take it off and not wear it again. The same school tried to ban a Muslim student from wearing a head covering on the same basis. The ACLU took the school to court (actually I think it was settled out of court) on behalf of the Muslim student to be able to wear her head covering. They did this without being hired by the Muslim student. They did not argue on behalf of the Christian girl at the same time. The Muslim got to wear the head covering but the other girl still could not wear the cross. That is what I am talking about. I did not say that the ACLU sought to ban it. I am saying that they took on the cause of the Muslim girl, but not the Christian girl. And to me, that is discrimination.
I don't know it to be a fact, but I think if that Christian girl specifically asked the ACLU to support her case they would have refused. The last thing the ACLU wants to do is argue on behalf of a Christian to practice Christianity, even in something so small as wearing a cross to school.
And yes, there are many schools who ban religious symbols because of that gross misinterpretation of the first ammendment...the free exercise thereof totally left out, and the words separation of church and state supplied, which do not even exist in the constitution.
Get on the net and search. Apparently there are a lot of schools...
who ban such things.
This is from OneLook Dictionary search. sm
partial-birth abortion
n.
A late-term abortion, especially one in which a viable fetus is partially delivered through the cervix before being extracted. Not in technical use.
The following is my OPINION on the whole issue:
PRACTITIONERS OF THIS BARBERIC PRACTICE SHOULD BE TRIED AS MURDERERS by the state in which they live.
Search Engine by Kim Komando
This is today's Cool Site by KimKomando.com. It's a nice change from google, as it has pictures, etc.
TO VISIT TODAY'S COOL SITE, GO HERE:
www.viewzi.com
I know. You gotta want to KNOW the truth to search for it. nm
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I just did a search for it. That is extremely scary. nm
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Oops, bad search engine -------------------->
Please do google search on Bob Nardelli
and you'll see whose fault it is that Crysler has to close all of thier plants. You can search Bob Nardelli-Home Depot and Bob Nardelli-General Electric.
If you do a search on gender dysphoria
as I have, you will learn that human sexuality occurs across a very wide spectrum, not just gay, straight or bisexual. My 10yo son never picked up a truck or gun or whatever you might consider "boys" toys. Even before he could speak a word he was playing with dolls. That was nature, not a choice. At this point, we cannot say for certain that he is gay; we can only rely on his statements that he is angry and sad that he was not born a girl. If I thought "fixing" him would make him happier, I would do it, but all my husband, my family and I can do is provide support, love and a really good therapist to help deal with those feelings of isolation and loneliness.
auditors search for unrecorded liabilities
because just because it's not on somebody's books doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I wasn't saying anything about proper protocol or transparency. I was only saying we still owe it even if they hide it. Sheesh.
Do a search on this board. This is old news, debunked. nm
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A search warrant under FISA prior to 9/11
As you can see from the article cited below, Holder did not have that evidence. He was not the only person responsible for "not allowing" the laptop contents search. Seems there was a problem with intelligence sharing between the US and France. His decision was also defended by the FBI director. Unless being able to predict the future is a qualification for the AG, it seems that you could find a better reason to be losing sleep.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/08/60II/main508362.shtml
It has been noted as a casual aside on many search sites......
That the mega-wealthy are trying to "hide" their wealth. Clothing catalogs for the rich are pushing "dressing down." Those fancy cars are getting garage duty. They did the same thing during the depression - no one drove their Duesenberg (sp?), i.e., "made to order" cars. They can sit out decades in relative comfort, they have high-tech security on their homes. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't dare venture out of our homes? What kind of "freedom" is that!!!!
Comic relief anyone? Put "failure" into google (reg search
Ya'll are gonna love this!!
the link did not work. It gave me a "do you want to try snopes search engine" msg. nm
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Even a black man..(sm)
*there is a great many people ready to believe in anything, even a black man from a corrupt Chicago political machine with a nice smile and pretty words. *
Yes, it is a historic event for a black man to become president, as is readily recognized and rightfully so. However, the OP used *even a black man* in what can only be described as a derogatory manner. -- ready to believe in anything -- even a black man -- followed by more derogatory comments. To read a statement like this that was obviously meant to be demeaning and pick out one aspect and try to paint that as an innocent description is ridiculous. Do you really think she meant to add a compliment in the midst of that statement? I think not. In fact, even the phrase *with a nice smile and pretty words* was meant as a sarcastic representation. I'm not making a mountain out of a mole hill here. This was obviously a racist statement. If Obama were white do you think the post would have included the statement *even a white man?* Of course it wouldn't. Why do you think that is? I think the OP managed to show her true colors on this one, whether or not she even realized it.
LOL! Yes, black and white =
only. Too bad it's not a black and white, good or bad world. The you're either with us or against us philosophy has not served us well in the world community and here at home your patriotism is questioned simply because you ask questions. But it's our mission to spread democracy. God help us.
this looks like you are comparing a black
person to a "retarded" person, which makes YOU look bad. -and have some respect for the office, please. Talking like a 5-year-old does not help your own cause.
One black man jealous of another who
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He is both black AND white.
Not that it matters and your not the only one but people keep referring to Barack as a "black" man without acklowdeging that he is also half white (50/50). His mother was as white as they come. I don't feel we are electing a black man (or a white man). I feel we are electing a capable man.
yep - black humor
Actually, I thought it was hilarious when he said it.......but I'm a pretty easy going, laid back person. I saw the comedy in it.
Or as Louis Black would say...
"They deserve to be as miserable as the rest of us!"
Love Mr. Black!
No one is afraid of him because he is black....
it is a valid concern that he is a racist.
However, his far left socialism is more concerning to me than his racism.
Vote just because he/she is black - sm
Is just as wrong as not voting for because he/she is black
I am afraid that too many folks casting their votes will be doing it for these reasons, and that is scary
what does black and white have to do with it?
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Nothing to do with black or white there....has to do
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I wish McCain was a black man.
I personally feel the McCain hasn't been able to attack Obama like he should because they are too afraid of the race card being played.....and let's face it.....the race card is being played as it is.
He does not need to LOOK for black vote.
Already addressed this Selma junk yesterday. Know how many black feel patronized? Don't make me have to go dig up my post from yesterday that already put this garbage to rest. It will embarrass you.
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