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This is for a serious discussion... Do you think Obama will help the black community to "change&#

Posted By: Emily Ayn on 2009-01-19
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I am watching a story on Nightly News maybe that's what this is... It is about what he will do for the "black community" I guess they call it. They then pointed out the murder rate between in that community, that African-Americans make up 13% of the population but 40% of the incarcerated, etc. etc.

My discussion would be this, do you think it will be a main focus for him to guide or change those young men and women into better things and do you also think that him simply becoming president gives the ones on a bad road reason to make more of their life?


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Obama's "change" really means... change
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So much for "Change"! Obama sells appointments for $$

Yeah - I know "everyone does it", but this was all supposed to stop under Obama, remember?  Lobbying and all of that?  Corrupting the system for bucks? 


Remember?


I do.  I also predicted Obama would be as bad as any of the rest of them.  Given his promises, though, he is much, much worse because he's a liar.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=adfv4RHV3Kmk


 


Obama's Plan to Rejoin the World Community...
http://townhall.com/Columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2008/12/23/obamas_plan_to_rejoin_the_world_community
More on Obama eligibility status from discussion

This argument validates the lawsuit, so it would seem to not be so frivolous.  Can't argue about the facts.


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It seems that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president after all for the following reason:

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between " December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: ".If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which mea ns though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai'i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth, but *after* age 16 It doesn't matter *after*. In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18 in Hawai'i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent.


 Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama's aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. election law. I think the Gov. of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. citizen, and it would set precedence.


 


Obama winning BECAUSE he's black?
Do you hear yourself? You need a time out.
Why this black man can't vote for Obama

Why I can't vote for Obama:  Worth the read! 
I wanted to send this article from Huntley Brown - a fabulous concert pianist, a man of God and a black man. I appreciate so much his reasoning for not voting for Obama. I would like to see his article published or spread out via Email to as many as possible. It's good stuff!


Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it's worth repeating...
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second.  Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.
God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.
Think about this:  You can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of all nations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?
Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a ...
1. Commitment to the White Community
2. Commitment to the White Family
3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama's former church.   If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and AL Sharpton would have been marching outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church.  The church can't be about race.  Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if it's a white church or a black church it's still wrong.  Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.
Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
So what does all this mean for the nation?
In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.' 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.'  21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you.  I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this.  I know I can look the other way because of the economy.
I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,
1 Whose value system should be placed on the nation.
2.  Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?
Blessings, Huntley Brown
 


Obama and the black vote...
I don't mean this offensively to you but don't you think since Obama may possibly be the first black President of the United States, that the majority of black people want to share in that historical moment?  I may be a white lady or a "cracker" as the blacks sometimes call me, but I can understand the majority of black people wanting to vote for a black man for President.
You're right - Obama does look like a black Dickie.
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Will Obama be judged differently because he's black?

I never gave this a thought. The previous incumbent was so poor and Palin scared the bejesus out of me and McCain isn't that much of a maverick and doesn't know squat economically that I never let race enter into my voting decision. For me it was an obvious choice. (Not my first choice but by Nov. my only choice.)


If you read through this cnn.com article, you'll read that blacks who were innovative do feel they're or were held to different standards.


The very fact that this article is worthy of being printed surprises me.


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(CNN) -- Just days before he was sworn in, President Obama was giving his daughters a tour of the Lincoln Memorial when one of them pointed to a copy of Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address carved into the wall.


Obama's 7-year-old daughter, Sasha, told her father that Lincoln's speech was really long. Would he have to give a speech as long? Obama's answer was completed by his older daughter, 10-year-old Malia.


"I said, 'Actually, that one is pretty short. Mine may even be a little longer,' " Obama told CNN recently. "At which point, Malia turns to me and says, 'First African-American president, better be good.' "


The story is light-hearted, but it touches on a delicate question: Will people hold Obama to a different standard because he is the first African-American president?


Americans appear split by race on that answer. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, 53 percent of blacks say the American public will hold Obama to a higher standard than past presidents because he is black. Most whites -- 61 percent -- say Obama's race will not matter in how he will be judged.


The question divided several people who were racial pioneers themselves.


Alexander Jefferson was one of the first blacks allowed to become a fighter pilot. He was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots who escorted bombers in World War II.


"We had to be twice as good to be average," he says.


Obama won't face the same pressures he did because his presidential predecessor was so inept, Jefferson says.


"No, the world is ready for him," he says. "The [George W.] Bush debacle was so depressing."


Jefferson was shot down by ground fire on his 19th mission and spent a year in German prison camps. He wrote about his POW experiences in "Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free: Memoirs of a Tuskegee Airman and POW."


Jefferson says he dealt with the pressures of being a racial pioneer by drawing on the strength of black leaders who opened doors for him.


"I sit on the backs of everyone who came before me," says Jefferson, who attended Obama's inauguration with other Tuskegee Airmen.


Jefferson says he would have emotionally imploded if he'd thought too much about the pressures of representing all blacks and dealing with the racism he encountered when he returned home to a segregated America after the war.


"I did what I had to do so I didn't go stark-raving mad," he says. "There wasn't all this self-analysis and back and forth. I was too damn busy with a wife, a child and a mortgage."


Michele Andrea Bowen couldn't avoid a bout of constant self-analysis. She was one of the first African-American students admitted to a doctorate program in history at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.


"I know Obama is going to be held to a different standard," says Bowen, author of "Up at the College" and books such as "Holy Ghost Corner," which celebrate black faith and culture.


Bowen says she faced relentless scrutiny, and so will Obama.


"You know that it was hard for you to get in it, and you know they're watching you," Bowen says. "And you know that they're judging you by a critical standard that's sometimes not fair."


Bowen says a white classmate, her partner in dissertation, once confided to her that he received the same grades as she did, even though he knew his work was inferior.


"It toughened me up," Bowen says. "It can give you headaches and stomachaches. I learned you have to be thankful that God blessed you with that opportunity. At some point, you stop worrying, and you trust God."


'Would Bush have been president if he were black?'


Perhaps Obama will avoid those stomachaches because of the massive good will his election has generated. But that could change quickly if Obama makes a controversial decision or a mistake, says Andrew Rojecki, co-author of "The Black Image in the White Mind: Media and Race in America."


Rojecki says people who say Obama isn't going to be held to a different standard because of his skin color didn't pay attention to his campaign.


He says Obama had to deal with challenges that other candidates didn't have to face. Obama's run for office was almost ended by his association with his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose incendiary sermons shocked many.


But Republican presidential nominee John McCain's relationship with the Rev. John Hagee, who was accused of anti-Semitism, never threatened to end his campaign, Rojecki says.


"Obama was held responsible for what his minister said, and McCain was associated with Hagee, but somehow that didn't stick," says Rojecki, a communication professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.


Even people who regard themselves as the most progressive, open-minded supporters may subconsciously hold Obama to a different standard, Rojecki says.


He says several academic studies show that it often takes people longer to associate good qualities to blacks when different faces are flashed across a screen.


"They have these stereotypes buried in their subconscious," he says. "That's why people cross the street when they see a young black man. They'd rather not take a chance."


Obama virtually had to be perfect to overcome those stereotypes, Rojecki says. He was the first black Editor of the Harvard Law Review, he has an Ivy League-educated wife and adorable daughters, and he ran a great campaign.


"He's the perfect symbol of achievement," Rojecki says.


White candidates for office don't have to have an uninterrupted life of achievement to be considered for the Oval Office, Rojecki says.


"If George W. Bush were black, do you think he would be president?" Rojecki says.


Jefferson, the Tuskegee Airman, says Obama should have at least one consolation. The problems he confronts now are so immense that anyone, even someone who was considered by many to be perfect, would not be able to escape withering judgment.


"If the president was Jesus Christ, '' Jefferson says, "they would still debate if he's qualified."


 


So did Obama. The search for Black identity, heritage,
Renewing American Leadership: Foreign Affairs. He also made contributions to The State of Black America, Portrait of a Black male. Whether you realize it or not, these subjects are of interest many Americans and Transcend gender, race, ethnicity and religion.
obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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Obama's mother is white, his father was black, making him an oreo.
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Same ole' "Change"

OBAMA'S 'CHANGE': BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC Washington INSIDERS


By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN 


Published on DickMorris.com on November 7, 2008
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What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?


Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?


Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.


Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.
 But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.


His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.



Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?


Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member.


Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?


Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.


Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?


Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change? 
 
Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.


Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing.  Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment.  Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f'  word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.


Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff.


Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.


Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks.  Some change.


Well, he's not the "change" as long as...

...Bush remains "The Decider."  The question is, will Bush leave when it's time, or will he hijack the country, declare martial law and promote himself to "The Dictator," which he "joked" about on three different occasions.  He also giggled about World War III, and he stated back in 1999 (TWO YEARS BEFORE 9/11) that if he ever had the chance to invade Iraq, he would.


"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.
(Governing Magazine 7/98)


-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"


"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.


-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000


"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.


-- Business Week, July 30, 2001


 


"Change" does not mean it is GOOD!. Gee, some
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Sounds like "change" we can believe in! NM
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O is for what "change"? Change we cant trust, plus
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On the "change the world" theme...

the stuff just mounts up.


 


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/15/top-us-communist-says-elect-obama-and-change-the-world/


He's keeping his campaign of "change" - that's for sure
Change? Yeah he keeps changing his mind. I've been saying it all along with others that there is no way he can do everything he wants to and spend, spend, spend without taxing us. This is coming right out of the democrats mouth, 250, 200, 150, and now 120. It keeps going lower and lower.

Sure he wants you to go out and vote early. He keeps pushing it as hard as he can because as each hour goes by we keep learning what more of a "sleeze-bag" he really is and the truth is coming out.

Why do people want someone with his character and already the blatant lies he puts out. Have people taken a break from reality? Do people want to live in socialism and fear?

You are definitely not offending us. These fears you express are so much like mine and many others while.

As far as I'm concerned he is NOT NOT NOT eligible to be president. He has not passed the #1 criteria. "American-born citizen". If he wins it will be a stolen election and illegal and lets just see how many people who believe in the constition will be happy about that.
Please define the "change" you expected
Did you expect complete newcomers to Washington to take top cabinet posts at a time when the country is imploding? Is change about the people who lead or the rules they play by? Doesn't NEW POLICY count for anything? In terms of the economy, do you want experiments or experience? Remember the economy under Clinton years as opposed to W? It is a cabinet, not a regime. Please read the OP about where Obama is supposed to look for appointees and then share your ideas with us, if you don't mind.
So NOT proud of the country. O's "change" just
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"change", "hope" -just empty slogans
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Oh, come on. Give Americans "hope", "change" or
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"Change"..the fairy tale. I certainly dont believe
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Well, in my community......
there are those that are part of the county and city governments that are not necessarily highly educated. Most have some degree but others do not. They have been voted into office by their constituents who feel they best represent them and their issues. They certainly aren't rich. I can guarantee you one thing though, they certainly are glad for the wealthier among us, because they help keep the economy going by running businesses, opening new businesses, creating new job openings, etc. Many of our local community leaders would be considered middle class, but they make up black and white population, so it certainly isn't one-sided. Not for one minute would I want an uneducated unitelligent individual making important decisions for my community.

Would you rather the poor, uneducated, and unintelligent make the important deicisions for your community?
Nobody called SP a pig. Phrase means JM can call change "change,"
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. JM can call change "change," but he is still 4 more years of W. SP is the one who is running on the lipstick platform. That's why her supporters are trying to accuse O of calling her a pig.
In our community minorities ARE the
You may not like those facts but that is the facts around here. They are the gang related group around our town. They love to hang their tennis shoes on the power lines to show this is their neighborhood to other gangs.

Sorry you think Obama will help the middle class but if you're in the 31K to 63K income range, you will be taxed or did you choose to ignore his voting on that back in March? He tried to get you good darling!
Thank you - Soon community service will
have to wear uniforms, and community service will turn into government. You can sugar coat it any way you want to - it's still FORCED! NOT an option. People do not have a choice. That is what we call a draft.
Community service

My "baby" is 37 years old.  I was just thinking..........he earned his private pilot's license at age 16.  MAYBE something like this is what Obama has in mind??


http://www.cap.gov/visitors/about/our_programs/cadet_programs.cfm


Oh, that's actually funny. O, the Community
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God Bless Community Organizers

She went into Wassila as mayor with 0 debt and left it with 22m in debt.


As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make them energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.


she can distort the facts and deliver mean-spirited zingers with the best of them. It told us that if Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter ever need a stand-in, she'd be a great pick.


she can be condescending and dismissive of the real work Barack Obama did helping real people on the South Side of Chicago. Ishe can uphold the long Republican tradition of lying about Democratic tax cuts—even though Obama's plan would give Americans a bigger break than McCain's.


  • Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
  • Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"
  • Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
  • Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."
  • Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 
  • Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
  • Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
  • As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." Baker ended up moving away because Palin made her life so miserable.
  • She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

  • Educating the GOP: A Photo History of Community Organizers
    by BonnieSchlitz <http://bonnieschlitz.dailykos.com/>  

    Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:13:06 AM PDT
    After watching the malicious speeches the other night mocking Senator Obama, and by proxy, cynically attacking all of us who support our local communities, I thought it would be prudent to educate the Republican Party on the historical role of community organizers. For a quick reminder, let's recap Giuliani's snark: He worked as a community organizer. (Laughter) What?...Barack Obama has never led anything, nothing, nada. And Palin's vacuous follow-up: This world of threats and dangers, it's not just a community and it doesn't just need an organizer. (Laughter.) That these bastions of the GOP would denigrate the importance of community organizers on the same night their party nominates its first female vice presidential candidate shows an utter disrespect for the people of this country and a laughable ignorance of the power we wield.  This is what community organizers do... They change the world. Block by block, city by city, state by state, nation by nation... So, GOP, meet community organizer Susan B. Anthony. She helped guarantee women's suffrage in the United States by giving public speeches and uniting with fellow advocates of change.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=sbanthony385.jpg> Meet community organizer Martin Luther King Jr. He helped end racial segregation and discrimination by inspiring a nation to come together and realize their dreams.
     
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     He said, "Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love."
     
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    Meet community organizer Cesar Chavez. He helped farm workers secure labor rights and fair wages. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy called him "one of the heroic figures of our time."
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=cesarchavez1972.jpg> Meet community organizer Dorothy Day. She helped found the Catholic Worker movement to help the poor and homeless, and promote social justice.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=Day.jpg> Meet community organizer Jane Jacobs. She helped rebuild and revitalize city neighborhoods and made people consider the wide-ranging benefits of supporting our urban cultures.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=janejacobs.jpg> Meet community organizer Mohandas Gandhi. He peacefully led the people of India in efforts to acquire labor fairness, women's rights, and ethnic tolerance, and he helped secure the freedom of a nation.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=Gandhi_Saint-James.jpg> Then there's this guy. Meet community organizer Jesus of Nazareth. He advocated for the poor, for the sick, for the socially excluded...and continues to help provide people solace during their "quiet storms." His community helped found the religion known as Christianity. He said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg> When you disparage community organizers, Republicans, you evince a complete ignorance of the fact that organizers do more with their words than just speak them. They remind people of their shared humanity, of their responsibilities, and of their power as a unified force to face injustice, and oppression, and inspire them to be the change they've been waiting for. Meet new community organizer, Senator Hillary Clinton. She cracked a glass ceiling, and inspired 18 million Americans to recognize the worth of their lives.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=lillyledbetter42408.jpg> This is the story of America . Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up. How do we give this country back to them? By following the example of a brave New Yorker, a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad. And on that path to freedom, Harriet Tubman had one piece of advice.
          If you hear the dogs, keep going.
          If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.
          If they're shouting after you, keep going.
          Don't ever stop. Keep going.
          If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.
          Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.  I've seen it in you. I've seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military -- you always keep going.
         
     And meet community organizer Senator Barack Obama. He worked with congregations and registered voters on the South side of Chicago to help them improve their neighborhoods and hold politicians accountable for their actions. Along with Senator Joe Biden, he currently leads the largest movement for change in the history of American politics.
     
    <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view&current=obamaorganizer.jpg> If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress. So you see, Republicans, it's never really about the organizer, it's about the community... <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/the%20party%20party/?action=view&current=crowd-20-1.jpg> Remember that on November 4th. Re member the power of the people.  


    ACORN is a community organization
    since its inception. It is the latest weapon the pubs have in their arsenal of smear tactics. They are using this yet to be concluded investigation as a way to imply that Obama is actively trying to throw the election. Voter fraud is something the pubs know a thing or two about. They wrote the book, so at least this most recent tactic is coming from a place of intimate familiarity for them. What is puzzling is just how they can make voter fraud charges stick BEFORE the ballots are cast. By the way, there is a whole lot more to the subject of voter fraud than the ACORN saga. it has to do with te long-needed overhaul of election protocl that pubs have historically bristled at every time it surfaces in political rhetoric, but they do not hesitate to try to use it to try to resurrect an anemic campaign strategy. They are desperately trying to place AL their eggs in this basket to try to overturn O's momentum in the polls and on the electoral map, but time is running out and so far, those Hail Mary's haven't been scoring too many points for the Straight Talk Express.
    Perhaps it was the social and community outreach
    1. Can-Cer-Vive support to cancer patients and caregivers.
    2. Churh school and youth church.
    3. Counseling services, both individual and group.
    4. Emmaus Road Ministry, which provides companions, prayer partners, helpers and friends for grieving persons, months after the passing of a loved one. Ongoing contact with the family is maintained.
    5. Girl Scouts.
    6. Teen choir.
    7. Computer classes.
    8. Assistance to physically, mentally and emotionally handicapped.
    9. Marriage enrichment seminars.
    10. Workshops on building and maintaining Christian homes.
    11. Men's chorus.
    12. Men's fellowship.
    13. Bible study.
    14. Sanctuary choir.
    15. Stewardship.
    16. Women's chorus.
    17. Women's drill team.
    18. Yoga.
    19. Youth drill team.
    20. Active seniors.
    21. Adopt-a-Student.
    22. Athletes for Christ.
    23. Career development.
    24. Church in the community.
    25. Domestic violence advocacy and support.
    26. Drug and alcohol recovery.
    27. Food share.
    28. Grandparent's ministry.
    29. HIV/AIDS support.
    30. Housing workshops.
    31. Health and wellness.
    32. Legal counseling.
    33. Math tutors.
    34. Prison ministry.
    35. Reading tutors.
    36. Drama.
    37. Fine arts and literary guild.
    38. Quilting.
    39. Adult dance.
    40. Music.
    Compare these ministries with Obama's life experiences, political views and current campaign platform. That is explanation enough for me.
    thats the nature of a community activist,
    to keep things stirred up! No, i don't think he is a terrorist -- but he has way too many radical associations, way too much money, admiration and support from rogue nations (hello, red flags!!!) and this puts motive into question, along with character, along with judgment. Come out of the clouds, get your feet on the ground, he has NO executive experience, no business experience, and not done much more in the senate than vote "present" (just the facts, m'am) -- he doesn't want to vote up or down, and risk alienating anyone, but like a wolf in sheep clothing, tries to appear to be whatever your imagination wants him to be. Really -- look at the one-sided nature of the media "reporting" -- the media is almost magical in shaping public opinion by NOT reporting the facts, not reporting things fairly and completely, but just feeding the public what they want them to believe. What is really UNbecoming, is that news is more like propaganda these days, that we have lost the honesty of good journalism and that too many people don't see beyond what they are spoon-fed and this puts our country at risk -- NOT TO MENTION the moral side of this issue and his views on sex education for kindergarten-aged kids, saying "it's the right thing to do", advocating the teaching of homosexuality as normal, advocating that a woman's rights nullify the right of an innocent baby to have medical care if born alive in a botched abortion -- these are FACTS. Not to mention that he will "stand with the Muslims" if the stuff hits the fan, per his own words. Not to mention that he said -- not what i believe, but what i've SEEN him say -- that this is "no longer a Christian nation, but a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists". Yes, we are a nation of multi-faiths - BUT we ARE a Christian nation -- whose laws and precepts are FROM the Christian faith. But he would change that my friend. If we vote him into the oval office, there is no telling what path he will lead us down. and he will not keep us safe from our enemies -- even his vice president/Biden "guarantees" that we will face a crisis within 6 months if he is elected... AND that we may not agree with how he handles it....are you really listening?????
    1st 2 yrs of a community college is already free
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    My kids do community service
    They have participated in numerous community service programs and projects, from collecting and packing items for the homeless to refurbishing parks. They ask to participate in them based on the listings in our newspaper. How very sad for your children that you would not allow them to feel invested in their community and would deny them the wonderful feeling that comes from helping others.
    Starting at the community level......... sm
    is a great thing to do and I am proud of you for the work you do. I have read here before some of the things you are involved in, and you are making a difference in your community. I'll be right here, ready and willing! LOL
    HCA, HMA, Community, Tenet, Regency
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    ACORN is not a community organizer.... we know
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    No, he's sending the Muslim community a
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    Community organizer = ACORN (nm)
    .
    ACORN is the "Association of Community Organizations for ...
    Reform Now." In 2006 several members were indicted for voter fraud in Missouri. A little explanation: they are used during elections to "get out the vote," in other words, to get people registered to vote. ACORN folks were indicted for turning in false registration applications that people could later use to vote illegally. They registered dead people, people who had moved, people who didn't exist.

    This is what is happening this year so far:

    More ACORN Vote Fraud Attempts
    Posted on September 15, 2008

    -By Warner Todd Huston

    The union supporting, Democratic Party pushing, extreme leftist Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has been caught trying to jerry-rig voter applications in Michigan. It is looking like fraud on a massive scale in Detroit as ACORN tries to fill the Democrat voter rolls with fake Democrat voters.

    ACORN is being investigated after several Municipal Clerks discovered fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications.

    The majority of the fraudulent and duplicate applications are coming from the liberal ACORN group based in Detroit, Michigan, which now has ACORN investigating the problem once again as well as the Secretary of State’s Office turning over some of those applications to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
    And it isn’t just Detroit that has found fraud being perpetrated by ACORN.

    In recent years, ACORN’s voter registration programs have come under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Missouri and Washington, with some employees convicted of voter fraud.
    The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is also reporting that the Obama campaign has been forced to amend a report to reflect over $800,000 of previously unreported ACORN donations to his campaign.

    ACORN is at the heart of one of the most massive voter fraud campaigns in American history.

    This is a link that shows a connection between Obama and ACORN:

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

    I invite you not to take the article at face value, but independently confirm using the net that the statements made in it are true.

    I hope all this helps.
    my kids are not joining a community service org
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    my kids have done community service in the past
    They have been in girlscouts for years. I have a big problem with it being mandatory. You people just have no clue. I'm bitter and stupid and selfish I guess for wanting freedom of choice for me and my children.
    it's the fault of the community that sits idly by and
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    they had to join a community service organization to graduate?
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    I would favor community service. We are talking about military (sm)
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    They're the laughing stock of the journalistic community. LOL
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    If that is all you got out of this discussion, please, do bow out.
    As I see from your other posts you just tend to step in and make random irrational comments, I'm sorry I even replied to your post.


    What exactly is illogical, and where was the discussion?
    There certainly *is* a feral element on the right that will attack anyone viciously if it serves their purposes - nothing is sacred to them - and they don't respect "logic" any more than they respect the mothers of deceased soliders. I've spent years talking to these people. It took me a long time to reluctantly come to the conclusion that you can't reason with them because they don't respect reason. You can't find common ground because they don't want to share any ground - they want it all. You can't speak to them in a sincere way because they will take that as a sign of weakness and attack you all the harder. You can't deal with them fairly and expect to be treated fairly in return - they will lie at the drop of a hat. Their intention is not to be tolerant of others but to crush any dissent and run smear campaigns against those who are not "like" them. Now that's just my experience with this specific element on the right. It's just my opinion but it's far from illogical to draw conclusions from many years of personal experience. If you are a progressive, may you have better luck than I in trying to find a human face amongst that particular element I'm referring to. If you are a Republican and you actually want to discuss something, it seems like there are plenty of people here including me who would be willing to discuss an issue without getting personal. But no matter who you are, don't expect me or anyone else who's had my experience with the ugly among the right to parse their words or try to be falsely sweet and forgiving toward a specific group of people who are just flat downright dangerous and despicable, and don't deserve to be kid-gloved.