So just imagine how much "better" things will be for all
Posted By: us MTs if he ends up in office. on 2008-09-15
In Reply to: That was then and this is now...He just said it today of ALL days!!! sm - sorry sam
In our 'great' economy, we'll have:
- Gasoline that is unaffordable to all but the wealthy.
- Blackened coastlines from offshore drilling.
- Few living-wage jobs left in the U.S.
- More foreign missles (and passenger jets) aimed at our cities.
- The likely loss of a woman's control over her own reproductive system.
- Even less separation of church-and-state than there is now.
- Further disappearance of our country's middle-class (the ones they expect to carry our economy on its shoulders). There will be the rich, and there will be the working poor, and with the current state of housing and rental rates, more of them will probably graduate to the status of 'car-dweller'.
Yeah, it all looks like a rosy future, alright.
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Talking about Florida, I can only imagine how things would have been...sm
different in our country if only AL Gore had been president for the last 8 years instead of George Bush.
Yeah, think things are bad with Obama? Imagine
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with that "better than thou" attitude
i have nothing to say
Im not surprised you voted Obama. i bet your nose is turned up right now
If you can't figure out what i mean, surely you are the kind of person I could trust to know how the economy got this way and what to do to save it...
I agree. The "better than thou" snobbery
really full of hate but not productive of anything positive
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
LOL. I can only imagine the
campaign ads that would have emerged from the Clinton campaign against Ms. Now-where-did-I-put-my-notes Pirro.
Hillary hasn't impressed me much lately, though, and I truly can't imagine myself voting for her if she runs for President.
I would imagine...
the conservative magazine was interested because of the infighting that starts during the primaries...when the Democrats start taking potshots at each over over the bow. I have no trouble believing the Clinton campaign leaked it. While he was not in a medrasa (although the source I saw who went and investigated it was a reporter from CNN, so hardly impartial), it was a Muslim school. I also found it odd that the report said it could not be substantiated rather than it was a lie. Usually CNN goes big with the it was a lie and I did not hear that from this reporter, which makes me think there is more than they are telling. All that being said, I don't see how he can have first hand knowledge of Muslims and Islam if his father left when he was a boy and he was educated in non-Muslim schools, as he and everyone else seems to be saying, trying to distance themselves from anything Muslim. How is he more qualified than any other American politician to talk about Islam and Muslims? After all, he is not a Muslim...right? You aren't sure either, apparently. However, if he was, that is not the reason I would not vote for him. There are several others and more important ones in my estimation.
Trying To Imagine . . .
An Atheist President
I'd like to do more than imagine it. sm
I'd like it to be a reality - again (see below). Think of it, a president who bases his/her decisions on facts, reason, and logic rather than beliefs in a supernatural fantasy (i.e., the Bush administration).
Actually, presidents Lincoln, Jefferson, and I think Madison were athiests or deists. They certainly weren't christians, and neither were many of the founding fathers. And even those that were (christians) were, above all, secularists. I find it tragic that we've gotten so far away from that.
Imagine
JM in a meeting with Russian or Iraq leaders about nuclear arms. JM gets mad, calls the leader a "#@@#$#" and shoves him. Lord love a duck.
Just imagine a man outside
by his car and a young child walking by and the man says to the young child, "I've got some candy. Do you want some candy? You have to get into my car if you want a piece of candy."
Or how about Obamanation groupies.....Do you want change. You have to get onto my bus and register to vote for change. Remember Uhhbama is change. HAIL OBAMA! McCain bad.....Uhhbama good.
Just imagine
the US government decided to rid itself of its low income housing woes by exporting it to the Indian reservations or 50 miles inside the Mexican or Canadia border. The could simply establish exclusive use infrastructure (roads, water, electricity, sewage), build a housing development, subsidize loans and pay ghetto residents a bounty to pack up and move out of the country.
Do not kid yourself into believing that Israel's splitering of the West Bank is some random accident. This is just one more of a long list of methods they have been using to shrink the geography right out from under the Palestinians to the point where it can no longer support the population and force their flight into the diapora, all neat and tidy. Why do you think they fight so hard to prevent the right of return?
Another lie - imagine that
Lie after lie after lie after attack after attack after attack.
This is just not true.
I definitely cannot imagine
a guy with multiple wives having the love and commitment for all of them that a person with only one spouse has.
And I certainly can't imagine........... sm
a man loving a man or a woman a woman in a sexual way and wanting to be married in the eyes of the law.....but that's just me. I guess all things are possible.
Certainly, a man with multiple wives, I would think, would not be able to give equal love and committment to just one. His attentions would be divided and I don't even want to think about the in-fighting amongst the co-wives. BUT who is to say that all marriages are based on love alone?
I can now imagine what Obama
felt when he was linked, ever so tenuously, with VP Cheney.
I just can't imagine that happening.
I mean....wouldn't that look bad for the Dems for the VP to just say....I don't want to do this....I've changed my mind and then this close to the election start with a new running mate? Besides....Hill doesn't want to play second fiddle to Barry. Personally, I don't think true Hill supporters will like her lpaying second fiddle to Barry either. I will be truly surprised if this happens. I guess I will believe it if I see it but not until then.
Can you imagine all these folks
worrying about the pubs wasting 150,000 of their little handful of funds? You got Obama there who has spent more $$ than anyone in political history, and isn't near through yet. Now, how many hungry children could he have fed? Remember, this is another one of his lies where he first agreed to accept public funding, however.
You'd be wrong to imagine that.
Having been born in a silver-sppon neighborhood, I can tell you the best thing that ever happened to me is the divorce that busted me, my sisters, brother and mom back down into the middle class. Money was nothing but misery for family members trying to compete with it for attention. Be careful what you ask for.
Thanks for the visual. Having fun trying to imagine it.
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Can you imagine what his life would be like if the
Life is hard enough for kids, even when everything goes as planned. The schoolyard is a cruel, cruel place.
And what about every time he does something wrong, or sasses back at his mom? There will be the either implied or spoken insinuation that it came from his dad's bad seed.
Hard to imagine how this could
**'escalate violence' in the region since nobody has safe in those waters for years. Should we be like the woman abused by her husband for years, who doesn't want him arrested because she doesn't want to 'make him mad' ?
So these lawless jerks hijack, steal, kidnap, threaten murder, then swear vengeance when we oppose them? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy
......One of the pirates pointed an AK-47 at the back of Phillips, who was tied up and in "imminent danger" of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said. The lifeboat was being towed by the Bainbridge at the time, he said.
A fourth pirate was in discussions with naval authorities about Phillips' fate when the rescue took place. He is in U.S. custody and could face could face life in a U.S. prison.
**"This could escalate violence in this part of the world, no question about it," said Gortney, the commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command.
Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding the Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, said: "Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," he told The Associated Press. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men.......
Imagine that; the usual suspects who
more to offer than more of the same swiftboating as the Kool-Aid drunks applaud them.
I don't imagine you bothered to read...
entire thread...but why would you? lol.
The clip has been pulled - imagine that!
They sure are trying their hardest to keep what it is they are about out of the news.
As the infamous Indiana Jones stated.....
"Nazi's.....I hate these guys."
Can you imagine living in a red state, and
having to walk down your street every day, knowing most, if not all, of your neighbors thought that way? Where trying to have an actual conversation with anyone would be like talking to a brick wall? Where you figure all the moms & dads sitting in bleachers at your kid's little league came probably wear white sheets at night? Brrrrrrrr.......
Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
I cannot imagine not knowing how many homes I have
They are just living in a parallel universe. He talks big but I can tell when McBush speaks that he really doesn't "feel" the pain of the middle class or heaven forbid, the poor or the seniors on fixed incomes. That is something he will never have to feel.
Now 120K, imagine that. DH makes that and more on his own...so much
for me having to work any longer (now I can wait by the mailbox for a check!). What a country where you get penalized for hard work and doing the right thing.
I'm agreeing with your post - imagine that :-)
However, I couldn't find where anyone called you "stupid". Someone who just put the initials sm above called me "stupid".
Here's my thing when I say O worshippers. I am not talking about all of you. There are a few that come on this board and cut down anyone who doesn't "google" and drool at the mention of Obama's name. They can't tell you his policies or ideas or anything. They just go on and on about how we're all trying to spoil their joy and glee that Obama was voted and their dancing in circles. Well that's all fine and good. When I say O worshippers/lovers I'm talking about people who know nothing about Obama's policies. I've read his policies and plans - I don't like them. That's my opinion. When people bash me for no good reason except that I'm not blindly dancing around in circles over-joyed that Obama got in and when I post some serious questions about his policies and ideas and get bashed for it, those are the people I call O worshippers/lovers.
This whole issue of political families "inheriting" their relatives seat is outright disgusting. There are so many qualified people to fill the seats and what do we get someone holding a seat for Biden's son when he returns from his tour of duty and it will just be handed to him without him having to campaign for it, or another Kennedy in the seat just cos her name is Kennedty and the most laughable one Chelsea? I am losing all interest in politics because all I see is corruption. They are treating their positions in the senate as though they are royalty and the position just handed down to their relatives. If I never see or hear of another Kennedy, Clinton, or Bush it will be too soon. There are so many unknown people in politics that are really good people, but they get tossed aside. Why? Cos they don't have money.
As for your last paragraph regarding how can anyone defend the Bush administration and what Cheney said, etc. All I can say is I agree, I agree, I agree 100%. Although I do have to say it goes even farther then those two ninnies - there were plenty of other players who had a say in this farce of a war, and the reason why or economy is going into a depression.
I think he's more deceptive than people imagine........
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I like it here. Besides, mostly all they discuss there is current events. Imagine that. nm
I can't begin to imagine what the parents must feel.
I would be so enraged if I were in their position that I'm not sure what I'd do. I hope I would remember that keeping my family together and supporting my child (or children if there are siblings) has to be a priority, but on the other hand, to know that this monster is free to walk the streets and do this to other children... I'm not sure I wouldn't do whatever was necessary to put him either behind bars or underground. I certainly couldn't condemn a parent in that situation who made that choice.
I really hope there is enough uproar over this to change things. Otherwise, what choice do people have to protect their children but to take the law into their own hands? These judges (and legislators, for that matter) need to realize that, like guards in a prison, government rules by consent of the governed. Fail to protect the governed or to enforce reasonable laws in a just manner, and the governed will assume control one way or another. I am not an anarchist by any means, but law and order is one of the most basic governmental responsibilities. We can argue til the cows come home about everything else we would or wouldn't like the government involved in, but if they fail on too large a scale in this most basic duty, vigilantism and anarchy become inevitable.
Miss Thang, I imagine that you could offend
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Very true. Can anyone imagine living on minimum...sm
wage and being made to feel you are not valued, never mind paying your bills. There are a LOT of working poor out there that do not look for a handout and struggle every day to be good parents. It is unbelievable to me that so many people think that the poor are all lazy and worthless. I am sure the sterotype makes the rich able to justify not paying a little more to those lazy ignorant people that just need to pull themselves up by their boot straps while I have a house for every month of the year and a yacht and never have to worry about if my light or heating bill is paid or if I have enough money to buy food for my kids. Don't get me started.
One would imagine so he can get bipartisan 1st-hand info
It is appropriate that he continues exactly on the course he is following for the moment...cabinet building, prioritizing and preparing initiatives for day one so as to hit the gound running.
Imagine that simple statement being recited by a white man about blacks.
It would have been labeled a racist remark.
I agree...Imagine the brave soul who would give an oppositional opinion...sm
It would be career suicide IMHO.
Oh I can always tell when things are going your way
the diatribes ensue.
How do you get away with saying things like that exactly?
Two things:
1: His approval rating as I write this has now decreased to 29%. (However, by the time you read this, it may be even lower yet. He is most definitely *a work in progress,* and the number of Americans who are waking up and smelling the proverbial coffee is increasing at a rapid rate.
2. The fact that the government has been tracking phone calls of hundreds of millions of Americans may be nothing more than a political *parking ticket* compared to what we might discover next week.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/12/19380/1332
NSA Whistleblower: There's More, People Are Going To Be Shocked
Fri May 12, 2006 at 04:38:00 PM PDT
From the subscription-only Congress Daily, Chris Strohm reports that NSA whistleblower Russell Tice will make some on bombshell revelations on Capitol Hill next week:
A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. Russell Tice, who worked on what are known as special access programs, has wanted to meet in a closed session with members of Congress and their staff since President Bush announced in December that he had secretly authorized the NSA to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without a court order. In an interview late Thursday, Tice said the Senate Armed Services Committee finally asked him to meet next week in a secure facility on Capitol Hill.
Tice was fired from the NSA last May. He said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden, who has been nominated to become director of the CIA. Tice said one of his co-workers personally informed Hayden that illegal and unconstitutional activity was occurring. [...] I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It's pretty hard to believe, Tice said. I hope that theyıll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn't exist right now. [...]
Tice said his information is different from the Terrorist Surveillance Program that Bush acknowledged in December and from news accounts this week that the NSA has been secretly collecting phone call records of millions of Americans. It's an angle that you haven't heard about yet, he said.
what 2 things
In the last paragraph of your post Re: The Other Side of Mel Gibson, you state,
There's two things that booze does. You omitted the second thing. What, in your opinion, is the second thing that booze does?
I get it. You really do think all those things....
just in poor taste to post them. We are on the same page now.
I believe three things
1. My eyes watching Scooter's conviction.. 2. Valerie Plame, the person who knows her situation best. 3. Patrick Fitzgerald. Now there's a guy with a high IQ that was not manufactured by professional fact fixers.
Two things....
Obama has already said he was going to put a windfall profits tax against the oil companies...money earned by one person...and divvy it out in $1000 whacks to people who did nothing to earn it. That is redistribution of wealth and that is Marxist. He already said he was going to do it. Government run health care is socialism.
Second question...how is he going to pay for all that stuff you have listed there? Tax oil companies more? What do you think that will do to gas prices?
Just wondering.
What are those things
Can someone explain what those things are outside the RNC. I understand wanting to protest and you hold a sign up showing your viewpoint and maybe you yell out something you believe in, but I can't understant what those things are that are wearing masks, being dragged away, having to be hosed down by the police.
What a nonsense and insane world they must live in. I'm all for freedom speech, but this is beyond my understanding.
Also - don't they have jobs? Do their employers allow them to take time off work to go do this and get arrested? I want that job. HA HA
A few things I would add...
This reply is picking up at the point after the main context regarding religion, which was addressed now under 2 separate posts.
The comments regarding basic human kindness. Is that a one-way street? What part of the Black Liberation Theology campaign which, if I recall corectly, you championed most vocally and most repetitively was not about race, politics or religion? If it's not two-way, it's a dead end. Perhaps leading by example would be a first step in the right direction.
With regard to welform, it is comforting to know that both candidates and both parties are on agreement and promote programs that tie welfare, jobs and training together. In terms of expecting welfare recipients to climb out of the "lower bracket," it is curious that you would hold them to an entirely different standard than you would the entire middle class, which again, if memory serves me, you claimed in a previous post in defense of tax cuts to the wealthy, fell into that same "lower bracket." To bankroll welfare that would raise the middle classes out of the "lower bracket" would most certainly appear socialist, and of course, we can't have any of that.
I am not aware of any candidate who seeks to "stifle" American ingenuity. Please enlighten us on that one. Are you referring to tax increases on individual incomes in excess of $250,000 or the proposals that would remove tax loopholes for large corporations? I am confused as to how that would "stifle" them. Our candidates seem to be in agreement on the need for government accountability and fiscal responsibility. Not soo sure how McCain proposes to go about it, but O has outlined his fiscal policies nicely here http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ and has detailed him in his Blueprint for Change here http://origin.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf.
That unity Americans supposedly shared in the aftermath of 9/11 is what some people would characterize as shellshock after an act of war on our own soil. Seems that the present administrations's response to that attack over these past 8 years is exactly why the nation is so divided now. That shared experience is not something that can be taken back. One thing is for sure. The politics of fear that worked so well for them is not really working that well anymore, so there is no "going back;" there is only going forward from here.
Not quite sure what the prayer statement is trying to say, especially in the context of discrimination (?) against Christians. God is on the currency, but Jesus is not. If you are referring to prayer in school or any other public gathering, I'm afraid that could get pretty messy. Nothing against prayer or praying, but this being a country where all are free to practice their religion, then public places would need to have a prayer room and rug to accommodate the Moslem practice of call to prayer, meditation rooms for the Eastern faiths and the like. In assemblies led by Christian prayer, it probably would need to be followed by a prayers or readings from The Torah, The Holy Kitab, The Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, The Avesta, The Confucian Analects, The Doctrin of the Mean, The Holy Mencius, The Great Learning, The Holy Quran, The Hadith, The Holy Akaranja Sutra, The Holy Kalpa Sutra, The Holy Kojiki, The Holy Nihongi, The Holy Tao Te Ching, The Holy Chuang Tzu, The 4 Vedas, The Upanishads, the 18 Puranas, the Bhagavid Gita
see what I mean? Kinda messy. There is a reason our forefathers had the insight to provide for the PRIVATE practice of religion.
On the abortion issue. This is easy. All people do have their say. That's why we have choice. Free to exercise the choice to have or NOT to have an abortion. To remove choice is anything but free. So you want quality, affordable, portable health care for all, lower costs, etc. Here's a plan you might consider. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Thank you for saying things that I have
been trying to say. Thank you for standing up for Jesus. Thank you for not being afraid to say how you feel. I, too, am a born-again believer and I am terribly burdened by what I have read on this board. I am shocked that so many of my co-workers do not believe in prayer, or even in God. I guess this is something I have always just taken for granted. Once again, thank you for your courage.
One thing we can do, as believers, we can pray for wisdom in making our decisions who we will vote for in this election. Also, whoever is elected, we can lift them up daily for strength and wisdom and God's will in the decisions they make for our great country!
If you don't like things the way they are NOW, and you
most definitely that you were intellectually challenged.
You have taken things too far!
You do not have the right to call someone ignorant just because they interpret those quotes as racist. If you don't think they are racist, fine.....after all we are all entitled to our own opinions. If you can't handle people having a different opinion than your own, don't bother reading or posting on the board. Calling people names does not prove your point.
Obviously there are other people on the board other than the original poster who feel those quotes were racist. I have always thought Obama and his wife were racist and these quotes are just more proof of that.
no one is looking things up and
posting for discussion. they are recycling the old attacks about flag pins and trying to provoke silly discussions to distract from the precipitous plunge of the McClain campaign in the face of the wall street debacle.
It is the WAY you said things
you were very condescending. That doesn't get anyone anywhere!
I am not judging you but the Bible also tells us to basically "check one another" when need be. And I am checking you. Chill out and have a little compassion. Be on fire for Jesus, by all means, but be SMART about it!
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