I can't begin to imagine what the parents must feel.
Posted By: Suzie on 2006-01-12
In Reply to: Please see message. - PK
I would be so enraged if I were in their position that I'm not sure what I'd do. I hope I would remember that keeping my family together and supporting my child (or children if there are siblings) has to be a priority, but on the other hand, to know that this monster is free to walk the streets and do this to other children... I'm not sure I wouldn't do whatever was necessary to put him either behind bars or underground. I certainly couldn't condemn a parent in that situation who made that choice.
I really hope there is enough uproar over this to change things. Otherwise, what choice do people have to protect their children but to take the law into their own hands? These judges (and legislators, for that matter) need to realize that, like guards in a prison, government rules by consent of the governed. Fail to protect the governed or to enforce reasonable laws in a just manner, and the governed will assume control one way or another. I am not an anarchist by any means, but law and order is one of the most basic governmental responsibilities. We can argue til the cows come home about everything else we would or wouldn't like the government involved in, but if they fail on too large a scale in this most basic duty, vigilantism and anarchy become inevitable.
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This is where it will begin
Any remark not directly supporting Obama is immediately construed as hate speech. Neither McCain nor Palin ever accused Obama falsely of anything, but since they brought up something questionable about him, you consider that hate speech.
This is where it will begin. It won't be long (at this rate, probably within months) before there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press; anything negative said about Obama will be called hate speech and racist.
Where do I begin?? sm
No pork!
No lobbists in my White House!
I will bring the troops out of Iraq (maybe he will but he's just sending them to Afghanistan instead)!
I believe that if a person will lie about one thing, they will generally lie about anything.
You cannot begin to understand the
he saw it coming, gave the pubs just enough rope to hang themselves with, had a plan and launched it. This must may be the October surprise we have all been waiting for. I am thrilled beyond words.
When does life begin? sm
You state that you apparently have a different view of when life begins as opposed to others, Shelly and myself for example.
My stance is that life begins in full at the moment of conception. Why? Because cell division begins at that point and body organs and systems begin forming very shortly thereafter. It is quite an amazing process, really. At 5 weeks, the neural tube has formed. At 6 weeks, the heart bulge has begun to form as well as the jaws and the buds that will become arms and legs. At 7 weeks, we have eyelids and elbows and fingers. At 8 weeks, we have a brain and hands and knees. At 9 weeks, earlobes appear as well as shoulders. At 10 weeks, the fetus is fully recognizable as a baby and at 11 weeks bones have begun to form. At 16 weeks, your baby has started to grow toenails. And on and on it goes that this living viable BABY grows. Can an inanimate lifeless object do that? Can your computer monitor grow fingers? Do the cells of your car multiply? No. A baby is something that is living and growing from the moment of conception and to take its life is murder and robs it of its civil rights as a human being.
That is how wrong abortion is.
Do you think that people will begin to take any job?
I was just wondering if you feel like with the economy the way it is that American workers will begin to take any job that is offered to them and that will make it harder for illegals to find work and therefore they will go home?
I just thought about it. A lot of the jobs that the illegal people have now are jobs that Americans really do not want to do. Well, it is beginning to look like if people want to eat, they are going to have to do whatever they can and may decide that those jobs are not so bad after all.
What do you think?
And the excuses begin....
any republican would have been castigated. Your bias is showing. Mine, at least, is out in the open!
I never believed he was there to begin with - nm
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Maybe you could begin in another thread.
Day of Prayer and the absolute vicious lies about Obama's faith.
Just because you believe he lied about other things does not automatically make him a Muslim.
Excuse me, but for you to begin the *debate* by asking if we would rather
have our *backs patted* is, in and of itself, confrontational. Back-patting is what happens routinely on the conservative board, and they've even brought that to this board, as well, as any objective person can see below.
Obviously, you don't find your comments rude and confrontational. I respectfully disagree.
And I seriously wish you a wonderful day, as well. 
I mean, REALLY !?! Arrogance doesn't even begin
It borders on psychopathic.
Anything could happen - pigs may begin to fly too
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Where do I begin about Palin flaws?
Lately I really hate how she is inflaming the crowds and trying to paint Barack as a terrorist. That's just plain wrong. I hate that she lies. I hate that she abused power. I hate that she could put our country and security at risk by having a high power. I hate that she is against abortion. I hate that she is against educating kids on sex issues, I hate that she is so backwards, I hate her 1980s blush, I hate her voice, I hate that her husband belongs to a fringe group trying to get Alaska to secede from teh union. I hate that she went to teh fundraiser with her husband for getting alaska to secede from the union. I hate that we are supposed to think she is worthy of Hillary supporters when all they have in common is a vagina. I hate the way she won't be interviewed. I hate the way she lowers herself to only go on Fox or talk to Rush and I cannot believe that repubs don't see the blunders of these moves. I hate that people say "she is a woman" as if that alone makes it progress even though she basically is not helping women at all. I hate that she left Wasilla with a pile of taxes and debt when she had gone in to a debt free town. I hate all the meth labs in her tiny town that nobody talks about. I hate how she pretends that only she and mccain supporters are patriotic. I hate how ...oh gosh... i can't talk about it anymore. I hate how she says she has a gay friend when she is against gay unions. I hate the way she attacks Barack. She is really really dangerous and way too right wing.
Hopefully, moderates in both parties will begin to assert themselves.
We've swung far to the right and now far to the left. It will be a good thing if the true majority of Americans re-take control of their government, and I think you'll begin to see that happening in the 2010 Congressional election cycle. With any luck, Obama will be a one-term President unless he can manage to once again hoodwink the American voters into believing he's a moderate. Can we be fooled twice? I hope not. Let's get a true moderate into the White House in 2012 - of either party, I don't care which.
This article does not begin to address the problems.
Going forward not but a few years, Social Security is a grave problem, but Medicare is a true crisis, and we won't be able to tax our way out of either, although the idiots will try.
These things ARE coming:
1. Tax increases. These will be of many different varieties, and from all levels of government.
2. Reduced SS benefits. This might be disguised in the form of raising the eligibility age, etc., but it will still be a reduction in benefits.
3. Healthcare rationing. We simply will not be able to pay the bill to provide everyone with the level of care that medical science is technically capable of delivering. Rationing will be done in two ways - by restricting access on some sort of a cost-benefit basis (if you're 80, you won't get that triple bypass), and by increasing the waiting times while forcing people to go through a series of less-effective but cheaper forms of treatment.
I continue to be amazed at the number of people - in government and out - who continue to stick their heads in the sand over these realities while we pile up debts that even China can't bail us out of.
Life doesn't begin 'til the cord it cut and the
Until then, it's just a fetus/piece of tissue/etc., and has no rights.
and I feel like makin *du du duu du du duu* feel like maaa-k-in love to YOU!
ARGH!!
Obama didn't wait for his term to legally begin, he started on Nov. 5th.
Thank God there are parents who do not think as you.
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LOL. I can only imagine the
campaign ads that would have emerged from the Clinton campaign against Ms. Now-where-did-I-put-my-notes Pirro.
Hillary hasn't impressed me much lately, though, and I truly can't imagine myself voting for her if she runs for President.
I would imagine...
the conservative magazine was interested because of the infighting that starts during the primaries...when the Democrats start taking potshots at each over over the bow. I have no trouble believing the Clinton campaign leaked it. While he was not in a medrasa (although the source I saw who went and investigated it was a reporter from CNN, so hardly impartial), it was a Muslim school. I also found it odd that the report said it could not be substantiated rather than it was a lie. Usually CNN goes big with the it was a lie and I did not hear that from this reporter, which makes me think there is more than they are telling. All that being said, I don't see how he can have first hand knowledge of Muslims and Islam if his father left when he was a boy and he was educated in non-Muslim schools, as he and everyone else seems to be saying, trying to distance themselves from anything Muslim. How is he more qualified than any other American politician to talk about Islam and Muslims? After all, he is not a Muslim...right? You aren't sure either, apparently. However, if he was, that is not the reason I would not vote for him. There are several others and more important ones in my estimation.
Trying To Imagine . . .
An Atheist President
I'd like to do more than imagine it. sm
I'd like it to be a reality - again (see below). Think of it, a president who bases his/her decisions on facts, reason, and logic rather than beliefs in a supernatural fantasy (i.e., the Bush administration).
Actually, presidents Lincoln, Jefferson, and I think Madison were athiests or deists. They certainly weren't christians, and neither were many of the founding fathers. And even those that were (christians) were, above all, secularists. I find it tragic that we've gotten so far away from that.
Imagine
JM in a meeting with Russian or Iraq leaders about nuclear arms. JM gets mad, calls the leader a "#@@#$#" and shoves him. Lord love a duck.
Just imagine a man outside
by his car and a young child walking by and the man says to the young child, "I've got some candy. Do you want some candy? You have to get into my car if you want a piece of candy."
Or how about Obamanation groupies.....Do you want change. You have to get onto my bus and register to vote for change. Remember Uhhbama is change. HAIL OBAMA! McCain bad.....Uhhbama good.
Just imagine
the US government decided to rid itself of its low income housing woes by exporting it to the Indian reservations or 50 miles inside the Mexican or Canadia border. The could simply establish exclusive use infrastructure (roads, water, electricity, sewage), build a housing development, subsidize loans and pay ghetto residents a bounty to pack up and move out of the country.
Do not kid yourself into believing that Israel's splitering of the West Bank is some random accident. This is just one more of a long list of methods they have been using to shrink the geography right out from under the Palestinians to the point where it can no longer support the population and force their flight into the diapora, all neat and tidy. Why do you think they fight so hard to prevent the right of return?
Another lie - imagine that
Lie after lie after lie after attack after attack after attack.
This is just not true.
I definitely cannot imagine
a guy with multiple wives having the love and commitment for all of them that a person with only one spouse has.
And I certainly can't imagine........... sm
a man loving a man or a woman a woman in a sexual way and wanting to be married in the eyes of the law.....but that's just me. I guess all things are possible.
Certainly, a man with multiple wives, I would think, would not be able to give equal love and committment to just one. His attentions would be divided and I don't even want to think about the in-fighting amongst the co-wives. BUT who is to say that all marriages are based on love alone?
You feel someone should be forced to do something they feel is wrong? sm
Sounds like communism to me.
Me too! My parents both Democrats....
the Zell Miller kind. THAT Democratic party is no more.
It wasn't the parents
It was the caretakers in the orphanages that physically and sexually abused these children and subsequently murdered them (approximately 1910-1940). The parents gave them up because they could not care for them. There are drugs that cause miscarriage. That is abortion. There are natural causes for miscarriage (dilating cervix, the fetus is still alive). That is abortion. Overturning Roe vs. Wade will not improve the quality of life for anyone. There will just be more backroom abortions and more unwanted children eking out a miserable existence. Like I said, I will leave the judgment part up to God. And abortion isn't the only thing they want abolished - birth control is on the list, too. I guess married couples should just abstain from sex after they have had their required amount of religiously acceptable children. Some countries impose abortion on their women, I guess we are lucky not to have been born in one of those countries, otherwise, we'd burn in heck!
I asked my parents about this
and they both laughed at me. My father comes from a very politically involved family. My dad tells me things were very charged when Kennedy ran and especially when Nixon ran. He has especially bad memories of the Nixon campaign.
that is, if the child does not want the parents to know at all
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I don't believe that the language of your parents. sm
has anything to do with being qualified to be the POTUS. We are about to have a POTUS whose father was not a US citizen.
But till the age of 18, it is the PARENTS
who decide what is, according to their opinion, better or worse.
And this applies also to abortion, if you like it or not.
Because there are responsible parents out there who think that producing a child entails also RAISING this child and not giving it up for adoption.
And if they cannot maintain this child, things happen!- they choose pro-choice.
Well, many parents would love to put
their children in Christian schools but you screaming God-hating liberals hate school vouchers. :) I suppose you don't mind sending your kids to public education. You want them to be just like commie, perverted mom.
Elderly parents
I think what we are going to see more of in the future is multiple generations living under one roof. It's going to be the only way anyone will be able to afford to live. They've done this in other countries for years because of the high cost of living. The elderly will not be able to afford to live on their own. Our children will not be able to afford to live on their own because they won't be able to find jobs.
My parents were smart like that too.
My dad worked for GM for 30+ years and retired in his 60s only because he wasn't capable of working anymore. They paid off their house. They had one credit card that they paid off every month if they used it. Dad had cash in the bank, stashed in other places, etc. Now my dad has been gone for almost 2 years now and my mom is living in her paid off house by herself. All that hard work that my father did to make sure that she would be taken care of after he was gone and now GM is doing horrible. Not sure what will happen to my mother's healthcare through GM or the pension my father worked so hard for. It is truly a shame if his blood, sweat, and tears of 30+ years didn't amount to anything.
A lot of younger people nowadays don't know what it is to work for what you have. Everyone wants things given to them now and that is a huge reason why I have a problem with welfare. It doesn't help the people who really need a hand up. All of these government assistant programs will do nothing but make people more lazy and dependent on others to give to them. I'd rather work for what I have and tell the government to leave me the heck alone, but that is just me.
The average American has 10K in credit card debt and think that is just sad. My DH and I have one credit card and we pay it off every month. The only thing we owe on is our house and it sucks that I'm terrified about losing it because the economy is so bad when my DH and I have been nothing but responsible with our money. We just keep plugging along and hoping that DH's job isn't one of the ones on the chopping block. If we keeps his job, we will be okay. However, if he doesn't, especially with a new baby on the way, we are in deep sh!t!
The parents liked the idea of....(sm)
having a website that students could use for their class. I have no problem with that. A lot of teachers do that. AGAIN, the problem is that it was a conservative website.
Teaching our children partisan politics when they are supposed to be learning history is completely not acceptable.
I also happen to agree that "real" history for the most part is not taught in high school. You only get the real stuff when you reach college, if you're lucky enough to get a good professor. However, I doubt very seriously what you call "real history" and the facts would match up.
I can now imagine what Obama
felt when he was linked, ever so tenuously, with VP Cheney.
I just can't imagine that happening.
I mean....wouldn't that look bad for the Dems for the VP to just say....I don't want to do this....I've changed my mind and then this close to the election start with a new running mate? Besides....Hill doesn't want to play second fiddle to Barry. Personally, I don't think true Hill supporters will like her lpaying second fiddle to Barry either. I will be truly surprised if this happens. I guess I will believe it if I see it but not until then.
Can you imagine all these folks
worrying about the pubs wasting 150,000 of their little handful of funds? You got Obama there who has spent more $$ than anyone in political history, and isn't near through yet. Now, how many hungry children could he have fed? Remember, this is another one of his lies where he first agreed to accept public funding, however.
You'd be wrong to imagine that.
Having been born in a silver-sppon neighborhood, I can tell you the best thing that ever happened to me is the divorce that busted me, my sisters, brother and mom back down into the middle class. Money was nothing but misery for family members trying to compete with it for attention. Be careful what you ask for.
Thanks for the visual. Having fun trying to imagine it.
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Can you imagine what his life would be like if the
Life is hard enough for kids, even when everything goes as planned. The schoolyard is a cruel, cruel place.
And what about every time he does something wrong, or sasses back at his mom? There will be the either implied or spoken insinuation that it came from his dad's bad seed.
Hard to imagine how this could
**'escalate violence' in the region since nobody has safe in those waters for years. Should we be like the woman abused by her husband for years, who doesn't want him arrested because she doesn't want to 'make him mad' ?
So these lawless jerks hijack, steal, kidnap, threaten murder, then swear vengeance when we oppose them? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy
......One of the pirates pointed an AK-47 at the back of Phillips, who was tied up and in "imminent danger" of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said. The lifeboat was being towed by the Bainbridge at the time, he said.
A fourth pirate was in discussions with naval authorities about Phillips' fate when the rescue took place. He is in U.S. custody and could face could face life in a U.S. prison.
**"This could escalate violence in this part of the world, no question about it," said Gortney, the commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command.
Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding the Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, said: "Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," he told The Associated Press. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men.......
Valles and these parents see the light....nm
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Both of my parents were registered Democrats....
I grew up in a Democrat household. That being said...my parents would not recognize the Democratic party as it is today. And they could not be classified as liberals, based on what I hear and see from those who call themselves liberals. I should be more specific I suppose...when I say "liberals" I am referring to those who post here who have identified themselves as liberals, and those I have seen in print and in the media who identify themselves as liberals. That is my basis. Really has nothing to do with registered Democrats...I have no way of knowing if the liberals who post here and identify themselves as such are registered Democrats. Color me confused because I was lamblasted by some who identified themselves as liberals, proceeded to tell me there were no true liberals in the Democratic party (well, that is news to them then, because many of them call themselves liberals). That is when I made the comment that it was hardly to understand what a liberal really was when there are those who define themselves as liberals who are also Democrats and those who define themselves as liberals and say there are no liberals in the democratic party. Yeah...that is a little confusing. However...that being said...when you see me post something about "liberals" I am talking about those I have come into contact with...either in my personal life, on this board, or in print or media...all who have defined themselves as "liberals." Certainly not everyone in the country...have not met them and have no idea what THEIR interpretation of liberal is. I just have to go with what I have experience with. That being said...in my personal life are two stepdaughters who define themselves as liberals, and we have lively debates, believe me. However, I see the same tendencies in them that I see in some here who define themselves as liberal. Doesn't mean we do not care about each other, because we do. We love each other through it. But those who do not have a personal relationship with someone with opposing view...seem to want to demonize the other side. We are all Americans...and we should be able to love each other through it. And as a country we are not doing that...we are doing the opposite, and letting people like Ann Coulter and AL Franken divide us even further...when we should be condemning both. That is all I am saying... :-)
Obama's parents were never married.
Do I have to do ALL the research around here?
Y'all are so naive!
What about parents who don't discuss with their kids?
And so you know right off, I'm not a Barack fan nor McCain fan. However, my own personal beliefs aside, I believe "it takes a village to raise a child" and there are FAR too many parents NOT doing their jobs these days, which forces schools, governments, etc. to jump in to help. I see far too many parents who'd just as soon go to the bar than raise their child. There are parents who are apathetic, and there are parents who are embarrassed or ill-informed themselves to teach their kids sex ed. I don't think sex ed is a problem at all in school, so long as it's in the context of health education and not presented to students in a biased manner of some sort. It IS how mammals reproduce and therefore does have a place in education.
God gave us free will and if you try to control the free will of someone else, how is that right? I believe in consequences of free will when someone chooses wrong, which is why we have laws in place. I don't believe it's any one person's or party's place to tell another how to live their life, period.
Personally, I'd like to see more parents do their jobs at home so gov't and schools didn't have to do it for them (and all the rest of us too as a result), and sure, ideally I'd like to see more kids abstaining from sex altogether. But I'm also a realist and know that my beliefs and willpower aren't the same as everyone else's. That's what is supposed to be great about USA.
The reality is that not all kids have the willpower to abstain in the heat of the moment, no matter WHAT their upbringing or what wonderful parents they have. As you said, it's everywhere - on TV, movies, ads, games, you name it! It's in their face now more than ever, so to ignore it and act like it won't ever happen isn't the answer, either. No, I don't know what the answer is, either, but I don't think that's it.
Also, to take away any access to sex ed and/or birth control at all is in a sense forcing the ideals/morals of one group of people on another and basically taking the free will of the other group - how do you reconcile that? I'm being sincere, as this question plagues me often when considering these issues.
Thank you Amanda..besides, I think that if most parents could send their
child to private schools..and he and his wife are PAYING for it, so what is the problem??
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