So your idea of helping the less fortunate is
Posted By: MSMT on 2008-10-17
In Reply to: have you/DH helped anyone less fortunate? - nm
to give them freebies all their life so they don't have to do anything to earn it, thereby encouraging them to do nothing else, have no motivation, and just depend on the government? I think we have enough of those as it is.
Too bad I don't hear Obama saying get yourselves up, get yourself educated, and go make a life for yourselves!!!
Proof to me he likes to keep them dumb and uneducated so he can be "their leader".
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The idea of helping
lower income families really is a neighborly idea. We should help others. However, we need to look at the big picture here. When you continually give free handouts at the expense of others, not only do you make the people actually earning the money bitter, but you create a whole new problem with people expecting the government to bail them out and give them free handouts. Yes, it may help some people but on the whole it will only create more government spending because more people will become dependent on the goverment taking care of them. It is like a huge snowball rolling down a mountain and it just gets bigger and bigger and faster and faster until it buries us all. We cannot afford more government programs. We cannot afford to pay for health care for everyone.
People are so blinded by the slogan of change that they will jump on any bandwagon. Open your eyes! The last thing we need right now is bigger government. Bigger government will only cause more government spending and our country will fail horribly!
It's just too easy -- the idea that keeping American jobs in America actually helping the economy
Nope, let's spend a few million and buy new furniture for homeland security and a few million more to buy hybrids for congress.
Can they not deduce that keeping corporate America from offshoring jobs will actually create more jobs, thereby lower the unemployment rate, and put more money in American's pocket for them to spend? Cut all tax cuts given to companies for offshoring and give the tax cuts to companies to strive to keep jobs in America?
And here's another V8 moment -- how about we buy American? Maybe increase tariffs on imported goods to discourage American companies from importing so much crapy and thereby necessitating said crap be sold at higher prices in an effort to discourage Americans from buying imports?
The ONLY way to help the American economy is to employ Americans and buy American! It's that simple!
I never said we should not help the less fortunate...
what I object to, again, is helping people who don't/won't help themselves. We all know people who are scamming the system. Why should DH and I be penalized for making a good living? We pay our fair share and then some, and O wants, in his own words, to spread the wealth around (socialism) to help those who are coming up behind us. Let those people do it like we did, with hard work and determination. Why should they benefit from our hard work? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. O's way will make for a society with no ambition; why work hard when someone else will do it for you and you can reap the benefits?
have you/DH helped anyone less fortunate?
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In a civilized society government does the less fortunate
sorry if you would prefer to live in an uncivilized country
I don't think he's helping his own cause
From what I saw, he just comes across as a weasel. I'm not sure what he hopes to accomplish.
you are the ones helping the terrorists
It is Bush and you and people who think like you who have put us at risk. We now have a full fledged terrorist state/breeding ground in Iraq because of Bush's war..That has put us at great risk for decades to come. Before Bush invaded, we had a few radicals that if we kept our focus we could have hunted down in Afghanistan and eliminated. Instead Bush invaded Iraq for no go reason other than to have a presence in the Middle East for control of the Middle East. Where is bin Laden? Why are we fighting in Iraq? Why are we there? The real murderer is somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Yet, you people continue to back this war when there is no logical good reason to have entered into it or to stay there. You and your man Bush are helping the terrorists, you have given them every reason to continue to multiply and hate us even more. You are throwing oil on fire. I want to put out the fire.
Thank you attorneys for helping the little guy
Thank you attorneys who deal with helping the little guy against enormous corporations and their deceit and corruption in America and those in government who allow it. Thank you and may you grow and prosper in helping us find justice.
I'm glad someone is helping.
Shame on this administration!
by helping your children
actual CHOICE about where your money is going. What about all the people out there who have no back bone and just want something for nothing?
yes, thank you, everyone is praying for me and it is really helping....nm
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Yep those mean conservatives are over there helping Israel
Yep, they'll be back when all the Lebanese are dead, because all us conservatives are evil like that.
i don't mind working and helping out others
but would prefer to choose who I help... not the government telling me
Thank you for helping illustrate just how impotent
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Don't worry - he's for helping us poor MTs
NM
Trust me, you aren't helping yourself here..(sm)
All you are doing is putting a big bulls eye on your back.
None. Bush gave him the job for helping out in campaign (sm)
Guess he figured anybody could fill the spot. I believe there might be other top officials of FEMA who also got jobs instead of thank you notes for helping Bush be reelected.
Around the time of the campaign, a document came out citing FEMA's lack of qualified leadership, but it was pretty much dismissed as political mud-slinging.
Cindy isn't interested in helping the victims down there. She's just mad they are stealing
her thunder. Hopefully, she will be relegated to the pathetic pawn that she is and real news of real importance will come back to the world. Every time she speaks, she puts our troops in danger. The troops even said so, but she is too far gone to listen to the troops. They are all brainwashed.
I agree. I am helping the victims with all the financial support I can spare BUT
if we don't ask the question what happened to the levees, what can we do to make sure this doesn't happen again, where did the funding go? then we will find ourselves in the same position again. We can not afford to be policing other countries when the funding is bankrupt for our own needs. That's just the truth.
And so helping them means just giving them a check and food stamps? SM
What about providing them the tools to deal with and live a productive life with their handicap or mental illness? The problem with the liberals and their idea of helping humanity is that throwing money at the problem doesn't make it go away. Do you know how many homeless people out there suffer with mental illness? Do you know how many people with mentally ill family members weren't able to get their loved one the help they needed? I'm talking tangible help, not just a monthly stipend that doesn't even cover the meds they require!
Do you realize that your husband, mother, father, sister brother, who ever can slice their wrists and take a handful of pills in an attempt to commit suicide, admit to their family they don't want to live, but when they show up to the ER and say "I didn't really want to kill myself" they just let them walk away with stitches in their wrists and after they've pumped their stomachs? Did you know that even if they holler in the ER to the doctor, nurse, and social worker that they don't want to live and the most a family member can do to help their loved is an affadavit for a 96-hour hold in most states? After 96 hours, they are deemed "okay" and released again to go on their merry way.
The liberal lawmakers have passed laws that say a mentally ill person has the right to be mentally ill. They have a right to decide not to take their meds and they have a right to be homeless. They are allowed to make decisions on their own which are detrimental to their well being, both physically and mentally! A family member pleading to the court that this person is incompetent and cannot take themselves is virtually ignored. I dare anyone to try to go to a court of law and get POA over a mentally ill loved one and see just how difficult it really is. It's impossible thanks to the liberals.
helping the lower class and middle class will NOT
Giving handouts to those that do not work certainly does nothing to help their situations; it only encourages it. Middle class are your working class, the support and backbone of this country. Obama's interference in their lives is just that, interference. The democrats have always felt they have the right to interfere in our lives by taxing us to death. What does that do to help us? It only makes us MORE dependent on the government......nothing about MORE government is helping us in any way.
I'm glad you think crime is JUST a biproduct of poverty, not race, which proves you obviously don't live in an area where that would prove you wrong. I live in an area where I know that every BLACK has the same opportunities as whites, the EXACT same education and FREE two college years....FREE, FREE, FREE.....all they have to do is finish high school....not all As or even any Bs, just finish high school. Now, a lot of young people take advantage of that but MANY do not. What do they do instead? Stand on the street corner, run around with their pants hanging down to the knees, steal for drugs, sell drugs to make money so they can buy expensive hubcaps for their souped up cars, buy their expensive shoes and ugly pants, and make MORE BABIES, which by the way, I SUPPORT with my taxes. No, I don't want to hear all that hogwash about their poverty. The media has made so much of that garbage, those that don't live in or near it, don't realize many blacks have the same opportunities; it's just that a lot of blacks, especially in my town, have grown up generation after generation living off the taxpayer and see no reason whatsoever to change their situation. They make more babies.....I'm forced to raise them so that generation can make more babies. Do I wish their situation would change? ABSOLUTELY! Do they have plenty of resources available in this town alone to change that? ABSOLUTELY! Do most of them take advantage of that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Yes, the majority of crimes in our town is committed by blacks but it AIN'T because of poverty; it's because THEY WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME!! We have poor whites as well and the majority of those do not feel they have the right to steal what belongs to others, kill someone over drugs or a stupid girl, or whatever else one wants to use as an excuse.
Obama will do nothing to help those that feel entitled and look to Obama as just a bigger free paycheck. You don't help anyone by giving them free handouts. If they don't want an educate, won't help themselves, and continue to feel ENTITLED to MY money, Obama certainly won't change that by encouraging laziness and lack of worth ethics.
Making the middle class dependent on the government is in no way helping them; if anything, Obama will be the end to the middle class as we know it today.
A better idea. SM
Make everyone register as many other sites do. That way, you have to keep the sam identity. As far as the rest, both sides are equally at fault. Using the "They" term and the "You" term are shallow. I doubt the board is under new management. You allegation that posters got special treatment is another delusion. But since you won't be responding to me, I guess I don't need to let that bother me.
You have know idea who or what *they* are. sm
I would not make such statements about something you know nothing about. You read a story, it said what you believed and you ran with it. My gosh, how do you ever learn anything? Do you think I judge all liberals by these people? Freepers are large contributors to charities. They have a race on now to get together donations for Katrina victims. They are huge supporters of the military. I have been going to their site for years and I have never seen anyone threaten to kill anyone. But it's something you want to believe and so you will. It's too darn bad. There are liberals who post there, too. But, of course, you don't know that.
First of all, you have no idea what I would do
Clinton wasn't my favorite president but I have never hated him with the vitriol that you on the left have hated Bush.
As far as Lurker's thoughts about Bush they are assertions and not proven fact and I for one think they are hogwash--not to mention grossly, grossly over exaggerated.
Is that enough of an answer for you? Probably not...nothing is ever enough for you all.
I think I get where you get this idea
It's because all the baseless charges against Bush have truly been baseless. Let's talk about the void-of-actual-fact USA Today article about the so-called NSA release of private information. That has pretty much been debunked and exposed as yet another attempt to cast doubt on Bush. There are numerous other examples, and let's not forget *Rathergate*
Just because liberal journalists have a vendetta for this president and aren't smart enough to get anymore than forged documents to back up their reports does not mean the press has given the president a free pass. They just suck as journalists. That's not Bush's fault.
You have no idea.
but you have illustrated many points made about you here very well. That isn't bashing, my dear, it's called truth.
Now that's an idea!!!
I'm all for that! She seems to be a real go-getter!!
I have no idea.
A friend of mine has been totally hot to trot on this story & has kept sending me stuff about it. I haven't for obvious reasons.
I was reluctant to even post that on this board. It's become so obnoxious here that I may as well be on one of the left-wing sites.
I've found a much more fun place to chat. Lots of conservatives and Libertarians, and much more interesting than this jazz over here.
I have no idea.........
Guess I was raised by *gasp* liberals............frankly, no-bah-dee's bidness, but it is disheartening to see gay couples who love each other who cannot make end-of-life decisions for each other or any of the other "benefits" that heterosexual couples take for granted.
Hey I have an idea for
Since he is going to make all these changes and what not, instead of starting new government programs, why doesn't he just take all the money he is getting for his campaigns and help out people who are losing their homes, jobs, etc? Kind of a "put your money where your mouth is" approach? Then he would really be "different" from other politicians and I bet anyone he helped or saw him helping others would vote for him and he wouldn't have to waste time campaigning and making ads...
Just a thought :-D
not a bad idea.
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I'm not against the idea
of helping people who are helping themselves... regarding helping people with their loans because in turn it will help out the economy... this just seems to be the best suggestion I've heard so far but then again, I've not heard many. I will say this... I personally know someone who has multiple mortgages out on their home, in order to buy new vehicles, etc. not one cent put back into their home. Now I agree that people like that should not be helped, on the other hand, I also find it disgusting that anyone would lend them that money to begin with.
i had NO idea that was said
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Here is an idea
Because there is a lot of voter fraud (no matter what side you believe there is fraud on) do you think a voting system like this would work and if not why.
First, you do away with electronic voting. Everything is paper ballots.
You have a regular sheet of paper divided in half (top and bottom). At the top you have the name of one candidate with the word democrat or republican underneath the name (all in huge letters for those who have a hard time reading), followed by a picture of him/her (for those who can only recognize the candidate by their photo), followed by a big huge box. Same for the other candidate on the bottom of the paper. The big huge box is for people to put an X, checkmark or scribble inside the box.
Then, before you vote you will be asked by the people at the voting booths if you understand how to vote, if not they explain that you can x, check or scribble inside the box next to the candidate you want to win. Each polling place gets only the exact number of ballots (pieces of paper) as there are people registered. Also well ahead of time you tell people if they need to register to vote they need to do so ahead of time at the DMV and nowhere else (to avoid fraud). If they wait and don't register they will not be qualified to vote and will have to wait til next election and that's just tough because they know the rules ahead of time.
At the end of the night after the polls close there is a large group of people from both sides, they open up the boxes, take out the ballots and count them and on a huge blackboard tally up the votes. There are a huge number of people from both sides watching, so there is no chance of fraud. At the end of counting their tally is then sent into the main headquarters, again with a lot of people watching/listening from both sides so there is no chance of fraud.
I've just often wondered that seeing as there is so much voter fraud and a lot of it with computers (college kids are able to hack into the system), why don't we go with paper ballots (and nothing with little hanging chads). This is a huge box so you know right away who they voted for.
What do you think? I can't figure out why there is voter fraud at each election and it never gets fixed. Also, would you be upset it you had to wait until 11/5 to find out the true winner of an election.
Also, I think if a county or state is found guilty of voter fraud all their votes should be tossed out, no matter whether it is on the republicans side or democrats. Rules should be noted ahead of time that if you are caught of voter fraud you will be treated like the children you act like and your privilage will be taken away and if there are any angry citizens they need to take it up with the people in charge of the voting system in their county. This should be a law and take effect that way people know way ahead of time the consequences of fraud or any mis-doings and there will be no option to appeal. You knew ahead of time and you pay the consequences if guilty.
Just frustrated with voter fraud every single election and there just has to be a way to put a stop to it. Your thoughts?
I had no idea
what the heck? I just went to that website. Is this just one wierdo's website who thinks that he is the messiah? Or are you saying to me that there are real people out there, ordinary, everyday people, who actually believe that he is sent from God? Because I watch the news all day long, was gonna vote for O, and I have never, ever seen anything like this here.
You have no idea what you are asking for
part of me hopes Obama wins just so you all can see him for what he really is.
If he wins there will be no more balance of power. We will have a liberal congress with a liberal president who elects liberal judges. But I guess that's what you want, huh? Lets forget family values, moral ways of life. If it's inconvenient, kill it. If you want to marry your dog, go ahead. Don't want to work? We'll take care of you.
I have no idea
I have only voted once before when I was in the military and I did it by absentee ballot because I was overseas. So, who knows? I just left it in God's hands. But the above poster stated that it shouldnt matter. I hope she is right!
That is when the idea was first put out by the guy....
and may not even have been what the original poster was talking about. The idea was first put out there in 2000. If is still on the net, so the "idea" is still out there. I had no idea any such thing ever existed. That is why I posted it. The original poster might not have been referring to that particular website. Sorry for confusion.
Thanks, BWT... This gives me a idea sm
of what he said. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
a really bad idea!
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You have NO idea.
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Where do you get the idea
that foreign made is better value? My husband drives a 1996 Ford F150. It just turned over 200,000 miles and has never had a problem. Our friends have a 1994 Dodge Ram that just turned 300,000 and they just put a new trany in it. Another friend has a 1994 Ford F150 that has over 300,000 on it...never any major repairs. These are all farm trucks that pull heavy LOADED trailers all the time. So what's wrong with that value for American made? Oh yeah, the propaganda tells us that foreign cars are better and less expensive. They are NOT.
My idea is this........
if you want change don't expect it to come from more of the same. My definition is simply that I would like to see people appointed who have honesty, integrity and true concern for the American citizens and those with COMMON SENSE if there is such a thing. I think we've had just about enough "experience" in Washington D.C. They do have the Constitution to guide them, something the "experience" is doing it's dead level best to destroy. As for who these inexperienced people might be, I don't have a clue. I wouldn't mind vetting them myself. For starters I might suggest Governor Mike Beebe from the Great State of Arkansas.
Is this your idea...s/m
of
SATURDAY NIGHT
entertainment.
You have my condolences.
Can you not afford something better than that?
Oh, yes, now I remembered you are a 'starving MT.
Now there's a novel idea!
Part of the problem we're in as a nation, I believe, is because people can't get past their "liberal/conservative" viewpoint to think for themselves. I also believe the crooks (on both sides) are counting on such sheep in their base to allow them to carry out their crookedness.
The US's idea of a just war? (sm)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/gaza.hospital/index.html#cnnSTCText
The other side:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916191833159347.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/2009/01/20091585448204690.html
The idea
that all news channels are biased is in itself based on a Fox news talking point so her premise is flawed to begin with. I think rather than an actual question she is disguising a propaganda point in the form of a question. There seem to be about 4 or 5 that are repeated here over and over endlessly. Not much opinion here to see just same talking points repeated over and over.
Do you have any idea how
much murder goes along with some of these illegal aliens.....the drugs....the kidnapping, etc. Arizona alone had 359 kidnappings in ONE year due to illegals and the drug cartel in Mexico.....are you friggin kidding me!!!!!
Not only that but they are taking away jobs from Americans and tax payers are paying their way. You have no problem with this?
You have no idea.........
Did anyone see that special on TV about the people of Appalachia? They are so poor, you, in your nice warm house with cable TV and plenty to eat can't even comprehend. They have no fluoridated water, so they have no teeth. They have no "real" school system, so they are uneducated. Their diet is so unsubstantial because what LITTLE they get in food stamps doesn't cover the entire month. They dress in rags, they have no teeth, no car and no money - AND to top it off - there are no jobs (not that they would be hired anyway). You have absolutely NO CLUE how desperately poor a LOT of people in this country is. You tell me how those people can escape the poverty they were born into in order to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? The stereotyping BS I read on this board shows some to be more ignorant than the uneducated poor I am talking about.
How about this idea?
How about everyone using the same name so we can have a real idea of where everyone stands and who we are responding to. JTBB gets slammed often, but that's because she doesn't hide and we know where she stands. She hasn't flip flopped on her views either. I'm guilty of hiding too, so from now on I'll be Paper Towel and soak it in, suck it up and get slammed when appropriate. Who is with me?
What's Your Idea?
Relative to the political and social issues which are most important to you, that you wish could be singled out and fixed. The rules are you can only phrase it in the positive, and can only list one idea at a time. Make it as simple as you want--I'd say we should not criticize others for their ideas on this thread, but instead let's just hear from us regular folks on all sides.
My idea started back with the mortgage crisis and the bank bailouts. I think instead of the government giving the money over to help the banks cover for the huge mortgage crisis and all those unpaid loans/foreclosures, they should have given the money to the mortgagees in crisis, in the form of delays/extensions, lower interest/lower payments.
Then many people could have continued to pay their mortgages and the banks would get there money, it just would take a little longer so their profits would be lower, but the bottom wouldn't be falling out. And homeowners in trouble could at least be still responsible for their debt, and have some asset left ten years from now instead of having to walk away.
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