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Talking party platform and candidate selection.

Posted By: sm on 2008-08-21
In Reply to: oh, yeah? like the Dems in congress? with lower - approval ratings than the president?nm

Incumbents across the board are in peril after 8 years of Bush. The country is more divided now than it was in the 60s and 70s. Never thought that was possible. I remember. I was there. Everybody everywhere is disgusted with politics as usual...nothing special about Congress.


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When trying to reinvent one's own failed party platform,
It sort of goes hand in hand with stealing elections.
Congrats to RNC on chair selection
This undoubtedly will ultimately be an interesting turn of events...a moderate centrist.  Smart choice.  One can only hope the rank and file will understand the need for a platform shift in that direction.  I especially appreciated his remarks about those within the GOP who would seek to obstruct..."prepare to be knocked down."  Now we're talking.   
platform
Everyone here has some strong opinions about "their" candidate and what is so wrong with the other, and it seems like a lot of it is "I read this" or "I heard this," "saw that." What I want to know is this-how many of you have actually read through the platform statements of the candidates? I know I have and found it to be quite eye opening. It also changed my vote. One candidate will bring this country democratic socialism. one candidate will put aside the values my country was founded on in favor of a new order. I can only hope that all voters will read the platforms and then vote on only the issues and nothing else. I can only hope all Americans will think about what principles this country was founded on and dedicate themselves to keep those principles sacred.
One platform: POW
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I want the platform that Ron Paul ..
originally ran on back in the 1980's - term limits. Let congress do 4, 5, or 6 years and then go home and get a job like the rest of us. The founding fathers never intended pols to remain at the trough on the Potomac for decades, collecting and peddling influence and serving special interests. Besides, with 300+ million of us I'm certain we could find a new crop every few years who are capable and willing to serve their country for a term.
Dems don't fear the lipstick platform. SP cannot fix
Hate to break this to you, but a convention bounce in unreliable polls that change on a daily basis does not a catipult make. No party who plans to base a campaign on personality over policy can spin their way to victory in light of the dire situation we now face with the economy.

Dems get this much. Our job right now is to focus on the critical issues that we all share and to contrast the candidates' solutions to the problems that MUST be addressed. The question in the voting booth will be who can deliver the kind of change that is best for the nation and how far away can we get from W's mass descruction. 90% does not have a whole lot of political capital on that score.
I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
When McBush is talking, he isn't talking to you unless you are wealthy or CEO

 


who provides campaign funds.  Do you know why lobbyists are making the headlines?  Because they are bribing the politicians of both parties - lobbyists work for private interests (AIPAC) along with the pharmaceutical company ($280.00 for a bottle of pills?  Only in America, folks), oil industry (record profits at your expense) credit card companies and unethical banking procedures (Funny isn't it how Visa wrote the reformed BK bill, making virtually everyone end up in ch 13 (garnishing income, including SS) after raising credit limits and offering transfer balances at 0 percent to everyone with a last name and a roof over their head?  Along with mtgs that were bound to turn into bad loans when house prices dropped which they always do after a bubble.  God, I could go on and on here but I get tired.  The nation is in such trouble.  Serious serious trouble.  There is a huge loan to an unfriendly country (did you watch the Olympics?  did you ever see Bush look more uncomfortable other than during the Stephen Colbert roast during the national press conference.  lol.  


Well I want you to know what fascism.  And I want you to know that those treasury notes are backed up by the taxpayers (you) and real estate including roads and govt buildings and parks.  Have you noticed why Save-Mart Center is owned by savemart and not a community business or the community itself?  There is somethign happening slowly and surely and it is NOT going to benefit middle class america one iota.  You must know that as a poor person, you have no power, no voice.  Elections are rigged and the politicans cease to care whether you like them or not - oh wait, that has already happened. 


THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!  Your 401Ks and investments/assets are what at are stake! 


Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of Soviet-style economic planning measures.[12] Property rights and private initiative were contingent upon service to the state.[13].[14] Fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[15] Fascists in Germany and Italy claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that fused with conservative social values.


Talking to them is talking to a brick wall.
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Each candidate has to have a

minimum of 15% in the opinion polls to be invited to participate in the presidential debate.  That is why it is usually just the republican nominee and democratic nominee.  I don't know that I agree with this, but if you actually look at ALL the candidates....you have so many parties who nominate a runner and most of the time you don't even hear about them.  We have Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Barry Obama, McCain and that doesn't include the green party, etc.  If they just automatically included all of them in the debate......we wouldn't get anywhere. 


Yea, that's it....he's the best candidate... we all know
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another candidate
If we could get the parties (I'm also one of those not to thrilled by either candidate) to come together and choose ANOTHER candidate and vote him in we may seem some change. As it stands now, I feel like Obama is the kid running for class president in high school promising the extra days off and more soda machines and when he wins (because he's cute and popular) he won't be able to deliver. Mccain on the other hand, I believe he will try and make some changes, but he isn't going to completely revamp Washington, which is basically what we need.

We need someone who can go in with NO ties, not owing anything to anyone, and who will throw out all the dirty crooks in the congress. A no-name guy (or girl!) who is middle to lower class, smart, and bipartisan. Who has no agenda other than to fix what is wrong. I don't believe anyone can say that either of these candidates is like that.

Obama owes some people for getting where he has gotten. NO ONE climbs the ladder that quickly without a little help. And Mccain, well he's frugal, and he may not make enough change for us down here on the ladder to see the difference. And I'm sure he has people and interest groups he is particular to also.

But, instead of us all getting out, banding together, and trying to make some real change in Washington, we will just sit back and let it be politics as usual. The fact is, America is to lazy to do anything but whine and complain about how bad we've got it. But we sure aren't going to get up and fix it!

We are slowly imploding on ourselves and we don't even realize it. We look at third world countries and think "that can never happen to us" but it can and more than likely will if we continue down this road of overspending and living by the moment.


He's VP candidate.

That's why the hoopla.  Sen. Biden may have had some health issues, but he's the VP (could possibly need to step in), but Obama is young, healthy, good looking, and seems popular amongst the voters who do want to see change, and not the same old grampa running our country into the ground with the "rich" buddies getting richer. 


Biden had a problem with stuttering.  I'd much rather have Biden misspeak and accept his experience on foreign policy (especially as an MT and what we deal with) then Palin who has no idea what she's doing being a heartbeat away from the Presidency. 


Get it now?


Yes, because he is the only candidate
and we are all fellow prisoners.
Who is your top democratic candidate?
Barack Obama is who I am rooting for, but I'd like to know what democrats are thinking about the other candidates.
No enthusiasm for their candidate. sm
I am not an Obama supporter, but go ahead and post what you like about him. I am conservative, but find McCain as the nominee unacceptable.
Could it be that Candidate #5's "emissary"
was one who was bugged? Has anybody heard anything about who blew the whistle on the senate seat sale?
What does it say about a candidate's character

 


1.       Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final. 


2.       Calls his wife C-word.


3.       While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.


4.       Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.


5.       Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.


6.       Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."


7.       Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."


8.       Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word. 


9.       Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads. 


10.    Ignites a culture war to get elected. 


11.    Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.


12.    Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"


13.    Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008. 


14.    Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy. 


 


Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed.  Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership. 


You know your candidate....look up his earmarks...
A million to the hospital his wife works for after they nearly doubled her salary. Yep, he is against those pesky earmarks. The bridge to nowhere was a huge one. He is Washington politics as usual. There is no change there.

Yes, he is careful with his votes. Voted against the Infants Born Alive act twice. Managed, with the 130 presents, to show up for what was important to him..denying medical care for an infant who managed to survive an abortion. yeah, there's something to be real proud of.
New VP candidate allowed to appear

for 30 seconds - no talking - for news cameras with world leaders.  Now, let's hear you say she doesn't have any foreign experience -- here look at this picture.


 


What possible write-in candidate has all the necessary
exists, then why were they not nominated?
Whatever. But I think your candidate was losing
Sometimes he actually looked a little confused. Petit mal, perhaps?


McCain the best candidate
I agree
The candidate who ran from the economy...
Obama voted for the bailout and that is ALL he did. That is not running from it? He still wants to spend trillions, won't say he is willing to cut spending, and wants to RAISE taxes in an economic downturn. You can't turn around the markets by raising taxes on corporations and the so-called "rich." Common sense should tell you that.

McCain has run from nothing. All Obama does is repeat the same old vagaries and NEVER gets specific about anything, but why should he? You obviously don't care. lol.
That's easy. Because he is the best candidate
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Absolutely he would not be a candidate right now. nm
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Hello. Obama is not the war without end candidate.
2 + 2 = what now? The endorsement is logical and makes perfect sense. After you read it, then YOU think about it.
Sorry to hear there is no candidate who you
Better luck next time around. Seriuosly.
Oh so you are like your candidate - a cheater?
Of course, a republican would think of a way to get 200 votes in there by cheating; not uncommon in the republican party at all. 
So...you are FOR anyone asking a Presidential candidate...
a question be subject to a law enforcement background check and the findings made public? Bye bye civil rights. Unreal.
I don't think you can blame in on either candidate (sm)
It is merely by virtue of the fact that they are different races that the the hidden racism in our country has risen up to such extremes, in both directions. It has become a battle of the races. It is almost a matter of pride at this point. And pride is the root of so many bad things.
Unfortunately, neither candidate encompasses everything I believe (sm)
I can't have it both ways, whether I want to or not. I have to pick one. And I cannot pick Obama. I cannot support someone who will allow babies who have been developing for 9 months to be murdered. I don't mind giving more to welfare actually. But again, I can't have both ideals in one candidate.
Maybe you should listen to what your own candidate said about
him when he was pressed.  He said 'he is NOT a socialist, he is NOT a Marist, he IS a good man."  With that from McCain's  own mouth, looks like you could at least agree with your own candidate and get over it.
does that mean you are a puppet? or is your candidate one? nm.
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I had no candidate, but O had NOT shown his
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2012 candidate
A possible candidate. I hope so.

http://draftsanford2012.com/



Don't get too excited.... my candidate
At least my candidate wasn't buying his votes through ACORN and offering a pint of whiskey or a pack of cigarettes JUST to register to vote and to top that off folks, "we'll give you a free ride from your corner crack dealership right to the front door of the voting center; better yet, we'll even TELL you who to vote for so ya don't even have to think for yourself, since you didn't in the first place..... just let ACORN do all the work for ya you dimwitted little souls".

Is that what you meant by beating the streets? ROFL!!!!!
Which candidate meets this definition? sm
IMO neither, but I am curious to see who thinks they do. We have some Republicans calling themselves conservative, but they more closely resemble Fabian socialists.
Out of curiousity...which candidate do you support for the...
nomination?
Let's play "stump the candidate."
It was a setup. This from a Latin American who heard the interview:

Basically, McCain was getting questions about Hugo Chavez, about Evo Morales, and about Raul Castro and then when the interviewer pivoted to Spain’s José Zapatero, McCain responded with some boilerplate about his approach to Latin America being that we need to stay close to our friends and stand strong against our enemies.

Perhaps he did not know the name of the President of Spain, and when thrown out there with enemies of this country with no qualifier....I have no doubt Obama or Biden either one would have failed the "test."

Obama didn't know how many states are in this country, either...after 3 guesses. I am more comfortable with someone who can't immediately recall the name of the President of Spain than a President who doesn't know how many states are in the country he is going to govern.

Sheesh.
I meant that favors your candidate -
Need more coffee here. But I think you get the message.
It is sad that you have a candidate you cannot trust or respect!
We accept your jealousy of our candidate, who we truly believe in and unequivocally support, as the highest compliment!

It is a shame that you can't experience the incredible feeling of hope and excitement for the future of the United States, as millions of Americans do, with Barback Obama.

Vaya con dios, Barack!
(Since when does making fun of a laughable candidate
to do with AIDS?) Do you even know anything about it? Robot, I don't think you have Clue-One.

Obama put those religious ties behind him. Hopefully SP can do the same.
race is a nonissue. But IMO he is not the best candidate.
He is impressive, but the radical associations he has, belonging to the "black theology" or so-called "social gospel" church (until it bothered his campaign), his ideas on changing healthcare, his thoughts on the life issues, etc etc DO make up my decision to go with McCain/Palin. On the church thing, IMO there is only one gospel, and its not black and its not social, its the death/burial/resurection of Christ. I imagine color will bother some, but probably very few. for the demographics record, i am white, 55 yo, living in middle USA in a town of less than 150. As far as people answering honestly, there is no reason not to on line. I think you'll get very honest answers.
YOU should be ashamed for supporting a candidate
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McCain ain't my candidate and Obama definitely
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Right, Obama does not deserve to be a candidate
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Wrong questions. Right candidate.
Get over it already.
My God can we not have one post where we have to talk bad about a candidate?
We were just simply trying to have a laugh. Hence the reason I didn't post the picture of the sheep staring at the screen with Obama on it or a picture of the sheep following Bush.

Seriously.
No debates yet because neither one has been officially nominated as the candidate! nm
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Obama may be a kinder gentler candidate...
wish I could say the same for his posse. Good day to you!