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Thank you for answering the disciple/alter ego question....

Posted By: sam on 2008-07-23
In Reply to: Dead-end dialog - GT/GW/BW

thought bookworm sounded too much like you not to be you.


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Ah...GT's disciple...or alter ego, whichever...
the case may be. Elitists of a feather flock together..to use her words.

Fact remains, whether or not the 90s legacy is a decade of prosperity or not...the POINT was outsourcing. For heaven's sake, stay on task (to use your own words). And Clinton, as evidenced, largely responsible for it, and the Dem hierarchy totally responsible for halting any attempt to stop it. Do the math, if you can, Ms. ADHD (your words again).

Now I have to decide...is your ego or GT's the biggest? I bet the two of you, if there are indeed two of you...that pair of egos would not fit in the superdome. How on earth do you carry the weight of all that superior intelligence? My, what a trial that must be!!

And again, you did not address my question, so read this real slow, stay on task Ms. ADHD, concentrate...what is bigoted about wanting immigrants to immigrate legally, become citizens before enjoying the rights of citizens, and paying taxes like the rest of us citizens?

Yes, you are correct, I am indeed stuck with voting either Repub or Dem. So it will be Repub...won't be responsible for a write-in helping the Dem candidate into the White House. So it is a lesser of two evils year for me.
Alter and abolish. sm
Twenty states (maybe more) have introduced resolutions asserting Sovereignty under the 10th Amendment because the Federal government has overstepped its bounds. Support the states that have introduced these resolutions. This should have been done a long time ago.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…" ~ Declaration of Independence of the American Colonies, 1776


And, which of your alter egos made this
wise and wonderful decision, I dare say the same one that wrote Cyndiee off! Make up your mind, are you for him or against him? Sometimes it gets a little confusing trying to keep it straight when you add so many new names! !
And, which of your alter egos made this
wise and wonderful decision, I dare say the same one that wrote Cyndiee off! Make up your mind, are you for him or against him? Sometimes it gets a little confusing trying to keep it straight when you add so many new names! ! But, it is always exciting trying to keep up with your games!
Excellent article by Jonathan Alter

(Also a good article by Howard Fineman in the same issue, giving some background on Rove).



  MSNBC.com

Why The Leak Probe Matters
For all the complexities of the Valerie Plame case, this story is about how easy it was to get into Iraq, and how hard it will be to get out.



Newsweek



July 25 issue - Like a lot of President Bush's critics, I supported the Iraq war at first. Because of the evidence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction laid out by Colin Powell, I agreed that we needed to disarm Saddam Hussein. I even think it's possible that 25 years from now, historians will conclude that the Iraq war helped accelerate the modernizing of the Middle East, even if it doesn't fully democratize it.


But if that happens, Bush might not get as much credit as he hopes, and not just because most historians, as Richard Nixon liked to say, are liberals. Bush may look bad because his leadership on Iraq has been a fiasco. He didn't plan for it: the early decisions that allowed the insurgency to get going were breathtakingly incompetent. He didn't pay for it: Bush is the first president in history to cut taxes during a war, this one now costing nearly $1 billion a week. And most important of all, he didn't tell the American people the truth about it: taking a nation to war is the most solemn duty of a president, and he'd better make certain there's no alternative and no doubt about the evidence.


Why do I mention this now? Because for all of the complexities of the Valerie Plame case, for all the questions raised about the future of investigative journalism and the fate of the most influential aide to an American president since Louis Howe served Franklin D. Roosevelt 70 years ago, this story is fundamentally about how easy it was to get into Iraq and how hard it will be to get out.


We got in because we "cooked" the intelligence, then hyped it. That's why the "Downing Street Memo" is not a smoking gun but a big "duh." For two years we've known that senior White House officials were determined to, in the words of the British intelligence memo, "fix" the intelligence to suit their policy decisions. When someone crossed them, they would "fix" him, too, as career ambassador Joseph Wilson found when he came back from Africa with a report that threw cold water on the story that Saddam Hussein sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.



Was Plame "fair game," as Karl Rove told Chris Matthews? George H.W. Bush didn't think so. Even after Wilson embarrassed the president publicly, Bush Sr. wrote Wilson—whom he had appointed to various ambassadorial posts—to congratulate him for his service and sympathize with him over the outing of his wife. The old man was head of the CIA in the 1970s and knows the consequences of blowing the identities of covert operatives.


But does his son? A real leader wouldn't hide behind Clintonian legalisms like "I don't want to prejudge." Even if the disclosure was unintentional and no law was broken, Rove's confirmed conduct—talking casually to two reporters without security clearances about a CIA operative—was dangerous and wrong. As GOP congressman turned talk-show host Joe Scarborough puts it, if someone in his old congressional office did what Rove unquestionably did, that someone would have been promptly fired, just as the president promised in this case. Scarborough, no longer obligated to toe the pathetic Republican Party line, says it's totally irrelevant if Joe Wilson is a preening partisan who misled investigators about the role his wife played in recommending his Niger trip. The frantic efforts of the GOP attack machine to change the subject to Wilson shows how scared Republicans are that the master of their universe will be held accountable for Rove's destructive carelessness.


To get an idea of how destructive, I talked to Melissa Mahle, a former CIA covert operative turned author whose career parallels Plame's. She explained what happens when someone's cover is blown. It isn't pretty, especially when, like Plame, you have been under "nonofficial cover" (working for a phony front company or nonprofit), which is more sensitive than "official cover" (pretending to work for another government agency). The GOP's spinners are making it seem that because Plame had a desk job in Langley at the time she was outed, she wasn't truly undercover. As Mahle says, that reflects a total ignorance about the way the CIA works. Being outed doesn't just waste millions of taxpayer dollars; it compromises hundreds of other people in the field you may have worked with in the past.


If Bush isn't a hypocrite on national security, he needs, at a minimum, to yank Rove's security clearance. "Whether you do it [discuss the identity of CIA operatives] intentionally or unintentionally, you have not met the requirements of that security clearance," Mahle told me.


The bigger question is what this scandal does to the CIA's ability to develop essential "humint" (human intelligence). Here's where the Iraq war comes in again. The sooner we beef up our intelligence, the sooner we crack the insurgency and get to bring our troops home. What does it say to the people doing the painstaking work of building those spy networks when the identity of one of their own becomes just another weapon in the partisan wars of Washington? For a smart guy, Karl Rove was awfully stupid.


© 2005 Newsweek, Inc.







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© 2005 MSNBC.com




URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8598301/site/newsweek/


Sally is just Sam's left-sided alter ego.
What you are feeling is what Sam puts us through the 12 hours a day, 5 days a week. You guys already unanimously supported her recently and the O team will do the same for Sally. In case you haven't noticed, the dems are pretty energized now that the convention is over. Gloves are off and we'll be taking it to the mat until the final election returns are in. You have a choice. Give respect and get it back or sling your mountains of mud and wait for the avalanche. Dems were way outnumbered last earlier in the summer but the playing field is level now. This is the democratic process you claim to so staunchly defend, so quitcha btchin' and go blow your nose. It's gonna be a long haul until Nov 4.
Listening and watching you guys bow down to the alter of Obama,...sm
the Messiah, is truly amazing to behold.



What a mind lock he has on some of you.




Thx for answering...anyone else?! nm
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Thank you for answering me. I really
was starting to wonder. You have to realize that was one aspect of the overall picture. White men are unfairly treated in other ways and if you buy into commercials, they are the dumbest of the dumb, apparently. They are always the butt of the joke, usually against the wives. You can't help but wonder how much of this affects the kids. I really hate some of the commercials; they show things I did not particularly want mine to see. As far as I am concerned, victoria's secret is soft porn and inappropriate for children to see. My own mother last week said she wished the men and women would go get a room and quit flouting their viagra on her TV! Well, the haves will continue to look out for themselves and their kids, just ask the cops who arrested the daughter of the mayor of Houston for DUI. This is the guy who started the safe tow in Houston for those who broke down. you know those cops had theirs covered when they arrested her, but she still got off.

The single mom thing is really hard, I had 4. It does not help when they have to listen to the others at school who get every little thing their hearts desire and yours have to do without; they will be better off later and I already hear that from mine. Just the other day, my oldest told me, "Mom, I don't know what I would be doing right now since being laid off if we had not been so poor growing up - I would be losing my mind". good luck to you.

Oh, one other thing. I am seeing first hand some of the treatment now that more minorities are gaining power and some of them are worse than the good ole boys ever thought about being. I went into the workforce when laid off and took a test, made 100, that was last October, and they have never pointed me to a single job. But I was in there long enough to take in the fact they were happily helping others. I resent it and I guess some would call it payback. I think americans may have to deal with the fact that our quality of life is taking a nosedive. We will be forced to bundle up like they used to do in order to survive.
Thanks for answering.
I have been of the mind that the people promoting this line of objection possibly would never truly accept that the birth certificate is/could be legit. I appreciate that you took the time to explain not only what would alleviate your doubts, but also why you have those doubts.

In return, here is my justification for believing that his BC is legit or is a non-issue. First is that he has been in politics long enough and his presidential aspirations were known for such a length of time that if he did not meet this particular requirement, someone would have actually proven it a long time ago, especially a fellow Democratic rival. (Pols seem to be most vicious with their own at times.) Also, to me at least, the actual location of his birth is irrelevant. His mother was an American citizen, and although at the time of his birth the law required her to be 4 years past (I believe) the age of 16, later amendments were passed altering that requirement retroactively to a period beginning far beyond and encompassing the year of his birth.

As far as the "natural-born" portion of requirement meaning born on U.S. territory, well...I was born in Scotland while my parents were on vacation (and have continued to surprise them ever since). Does that mean, since my father is Scottish and my mother American, that I am ineligible to ever run for president since I was not born on American soil? I am American according to our government and have never had to apply for citizenship even though I was born in a foreign country. To me, natural-born means born to a citizen that did not require a naturalization process to become a citizen. (I sure hope I stated that in a way that makes sense.)

Also, there is some component of grandparents' citizenship that comes into play, but I have never had reason to look into that. I will though, when I get the time, and see if that has any relevance in this instance.

Thanks again for answering my question. I appreciate your honesty.
What is so hard about answering a
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Not really answering your question but ...sm
I am blessed to have lived in both Hawaii and Vermont, both VERY liberal states, both of which provide heath care to all residents in different ways, summer Vermont and winter Hawaii is my dream.
Your not answering her question
She asked how can you not think it is right for Israel to defend herself.
If you are answering to me, my personal
beliefs are strongly Christian, but I am a Christian who also believes wholeheartedly in the separation between church and state, FYI.  I was answering the person who is scared.  Christians should not be afraid of anything, if they truly believe that God is in control.  Just my opinion.
So, you are answering my question with

a question. And, you were not the questioner, you were the one making the following statement:
The former administration has to take the blame if S- O-M-E of these innocent, now released or soon to be released detainees are going to do any harm to you. 


Since you feel that some of the detainees are innocent, would you want them to live next door to you? It's a simple question....


No one is even talking to you. We are answering OPs question to us (sm)
No one is infringing upon your rights. You are interrupting our conversation with your opinions. If OP wants your non-Christian opinion, she can ask you.
He was answering the questions posed to him - nm
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I have no problem answering your question
If "they" were going to take my money and give it to someone else of course I wouldn't like it.  This garbage that is being spread about Obama taking "your" money and giving it to someone who doesn't work is just that,  garbage.  He has never suggested any such thing.  His "redistribution" of wealth, is in the form of taking back the windfall tax cuts Bush gave to the rich.  He then proposes to give more tax relief to the WORKING middle class.  Anyone with half a brain and minimal intelligence should be able to understand that.
It might behoove you to read the post before answering.

Thank you for answering her post with a liberal talking point. :-) nm
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Typical, retreat without answering a simple question under ANY of your many names...
demean, belittle, name-call, deride, post under different names to support your view because no one else will...and as far as granting my wish...never asked you leave...you said you were leaving to hunt a job. I said see ya when you get back. That is hardly asking you to ride off into the sunset. You are so similar to Mr. Obama...birds of a feather and all that...ask a simple straight-forward question and you dodge it like it was on fire. Guess your superior intelligence just deserts you in the face of a simple question...or perhaps even you, from your lofty perch, have enough common sense to realize that there is no bigotry to what I said. You are far more bigoted toward conservatives and people you feel are inferior to you than I ever could be...and certainly more bigoted than my stance on immigration.

Still with the plaigiarism thing...good grief, you DO love to belabor a point, especially when you are wrong. Someone has always said something before...and in all your diatribes I did not find one original point. Read the same thing on leftist blogs, in articles, and on and on and on. Not one original thought from the great brain that is GT/GW/BW/FPJ.

See ya...and yeah, it HAS been fun. lol.

And no, I did not discount that FPJ could have been speaking on her own...just said if she was, she was plagiarizing you. You seemed to be so concerned about plagiarizing...not even taking into consideration that your lectures are about 98% plagiarized (by your definition...your words, not mine). Did you really think people wouldn't google?

Take care. I am still considering spiteful little vixen stationery...might even get T-shirts. :-)
Cildren answering McC/Failin robocalls scared to hear
What a brilliant campaign strategy.  Scaring children.  Must be really proud of their candidates authorizing this lunacy.   
And my politics and faith are hand in hand. Plus I'm just answering her question.
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Question with question:why bother answering JTBB
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