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Sally is just Sam's left-sided alter ego.

Posted By: One difference. Sally's better at it. sm on 2008-09-06
In Reply to: You obviously do... The truth hurts, doesn't it? - . sm

What you are feeling is what Sam puts us through the 12 hours a day, 5 days a week. You guys already unanimously supported her recently and the O team will do the same for Sally. In case you haven't noticed, the dems are pretty energized now that the convention is over. Gloves are off and we'll be taking it to the mat until the final election returns are in. You have a choice. Give respect and get it back or sling your mountains of mud and wait for the avalanche. Dems were way outnumbered last earlier in the summer but the playing field is level now. This is the democratic process you claim to so staunchly defend, so quitcha btchin' and go blow your nose. It's gonna be a long haul until Nov 4.


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Alter and abolish. sm
Twenty states (maybe more) have introduced resolutions asserting Sovereignty under the 10th Amendment because the Federal government has overstepped its bounds. Support the states that have introduced these resolutions. This should have been done a long time ago.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…" ~ Declaration of Independence of the American Colonies, 1776


Ah...GT's disciple...or alter ego, whichever...
the case may be. Elitists of a feather flock together..to use her words.

Fact remains, whether or not the 90s legacy is a decade of prosperity or not...the POINT was outsourcing. For heaven's sake, stay on task (to use your own words). And Clinton, as evidenced, largely responsible for it, and the Dem hierarchy totally responsible for halting any attempt to stop it. Do the math, if you can, Ms. ADHD (your words again).

Now I have to decide...is your ego or GT's the biggest? I bet the two of you, if there are indeed two of you...that pair of egos would not fit in the superdome. How on earth do you carry the weight of all that superior intelligence? My, what a trial that must be!!

And again, you did not address my question, so read this real slow, stay on task Ms. ADHD, concentrate...what is bigoted about wanting immigrants to immigrate legally, become citizens before enjoying the rights of citizens, and paying taxes like the rest of us citizens?

Yes, you are correct, I am indeed stuck with voting either Repub or Dem. So it will be Repub...won't be responsible for a write-in helping the Dem candidate into the White House. So it is a lesser of two evils year for me.
And, which of your alter egos made this
wise and wonderful decision, I dare say the same one that wrote Cyndiee off! Make up your mind, are you for him or against him? Sometimes it gets a little confusing trying to keep it straight when you add so many new names! !
And, which of your alter egos made this
wise and wonderful decision, I dare say the same one that wrote Cyndiee off! Make up your mind, are you for him or against him? Sometimes it gets a little confusing trying to keep it straight when you add so many new names! ! But, it is always exciting trying to keep up with your games!
Excellent article by Jonathan Alter

(Also a good article by Howard Fineman in the same issue, giving some background on Rove).



  MSNBC.com

Why The Leak Probe Matters
For all the complexities of the Valerie Plame case, this story is about how easy it was to get into Iraq, and how hard it will be to get out.



Newsweek



July 25 issue - Like a lot of President Bush's critics, I supported the Iraq war at first. Because of the evidence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction laid out by Colin Powell, I agreed that we needed to disarm Saddam Hussein. I even think it's possible that 25 years from now, historians will conclude that the Iraq war helped accelerate the modernizing of the Middle East, even if it doesn't fully democratize it.


But if that happens, Bush might not get as much credit as he hopes, and not just because most historians, as Richard Nixon liked to say, are liberals. Bush may look bad because his leadership on Iraq has been a fiasco. He didn't plan for it: the early decisions that allowed the insurgency to get going were breathtakingly incompetent. He didn't pay for it: Bush is the first president in history to cut taxes during a war, this one now costing nearly $1 billion a week. And most important of all, he didn't tell the American people the truth about it: taking a nation to war is the most solemn duty of a president, and he'd better make certain there's no alternative and no doubt about the evidence.


Why do I mention this now? Because for all of the complexities of the Valerie Plame case, for all the questions raised about the future of investigative journalism and the fate of the most influential aide to an American president since Louis Howe served Franklin D. Roosevelt 70 years ago, this story is fundamentally about how easy it was to get into Iraq and how hard it will be to get out.


We got in because we "cooked" the intelligence, then hyped it. That's why the "Downing Street Memo" is not a smoking gun but a big "duh." For two years we've known that senior White House officials were determined to, in the words of the British intelligence memo, "fix" the intelligence to suit their policy decisions. When someone crossed them, they would "fix" him, too, as career ambassador Joseph Wilson found when he came back from Africa with a report that threw cold water on the story that Saddam Hussein sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.



Was Plame "fair game," as Karl Rove told Chris Matthews? George H.W. Bush didn't think so. Even after Wilson embarrassed the president publicly, Bush Sr. wrote Wilson—whom he had appointed to various ambassadorial posts—to congratulate him for his service and sympathize with him over the outing of his wife. The old man was head of the CIA in the 1970s and knows the consequences of blowing the identities of covert operatives.


But does his son? A real leader wouldn't hide behind Clintonian legalisms like "I don't want to prejudge." Even if the disclosure was unintentional and no law was broken, Rove's confirmed conduct—talking casually to two reporters without security clearances about a CIA operative—was dangerous and wrong. As GOP congressman turned talk-show host Joe Scarborough puts it, if someone in his old congressional office did what Rove unquestionably did, that someone would have been promptly fired, just as the president promised in this case. Scarborough, no longer obligated to toe the pathetic Republican Party line, says it's totally irrelevant if Joe Wilson is a preening partisan who misled investigators about the role his wife played in recommending his Niger trip. The frantic efforts of the GOP attack machine to change the subject to Wilson shows how scared Republicans are that the master of their universe will be held accountable for Rove's destructive carelessness.


To get an idea of how destructive, I talked to Melissa Mahle, a former CIA covert operative turned author whose career parallels Plame's. She explained what happens when someone's cover is blown. It isn't pretty, especially when, like Plame, you have been under "nonofficial cover" (working for a phony front company or nonprofit), which is more sensitive than "official cover" (pretending to work for another government agency). The GOP's spinners are making it seem that because Plame had a desk job in Langley at the time she was outed, she wasn't truly undercover. As Mahle says, that reflects a total ignorance about the way the CIA works. Being outed doesn't just waste millions of taxpayer dollars; it compromises hundreds of other people in the field you may have worked with in the past.


If Bush isn't a hypocrite on national security, he needs, at a minimum, to yank Rove's security clearance. "Whether you do it [discuss the identity of CIA operatives] intentionally or unintentionally, you have not met the requirements of that security clearance," Mahle told me.


The bigger question is what this scandal does to the CIA's ability to develop essential "humint" (human intelligence). Here's where the Iraq war comes in again. The sooner we beef up our intelligence, the sooner we crack the insurgency and get to bring our troops home. What does it say to the people doing the painstaking work of building those spy networks when the identity of one of their own becomes just another weapon in the partisan wars of Washington? For a smart guy, Karl Rove was awfully stupid.


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Thank you for answering the disciple/alter ego question....
thought bookworm sounded too much like you not to be you.
Listening and watching you guys bow down to the alter of Obama,...sm
the Messiah, is truly amazing to behold.



What a mind lock he has on some of you.




I never said it was all one sided.

I was just using the example of my stepson's great-grandpa who...BTW...is of no relation to me.  He is a great-grandpa on my stepson's mom's side....not my husband's side.


I know that racism runs deep on both sides so no matter what people say....race does play a big part in this election.  It is sad but it is also a fact.


Fox is NOT one-sided. Anyway, how would YOU
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Actually, no I don't believe in one-sided tolerance...sm
This particular sign could have easily been displayed away from the creche, I feel, and it wouldn't have bothered me the least to see it.

You see, I also celebrate Winter Solstice, and the earth and the animals.

However, this particular sign seemed to be placed next to the creche to invoke upset from those who celebrate Christ's life and birth.

I like to imagine that perhaps baby Jesus kicked the sign to the ditch myself. He could have if he wanted to.
Only MSNBC and FOX are one sided, not CNN or the others AT ALL
but fox is by far the worst... at least MSNBC doesn't LIE outright.

So, you only believe in one-sided tolerance? (sm)
As in the ditch was well deserved?
She's very liberal and one-sided and VERY
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Sorry, but your facts are one-sided whereas

I checked the facts on BOTH candidates. McCain is still my choice even though he's no JFK  or Clinton.


In reality, neither candidate is capable of running this country but I'll take the lesser of two evils, which happens to be McCain/Palin.


Two-sided Obama
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=410738
I think that's a bit one-sided. Can't put my finger on it right
now 'cause it's late (for me), but I will read it again in the morning and do a little research myself..
This is so one-sided it isn't funny!

It still never ceases to amaze me that people blindly follow their political party no matter what that party does.  When are you people going to realize that this isn't totally the pubs fault.  This has been a long time coming and some of it started back in Clinton's presidency.  So spare me the pubs are evil and how they ruined this country single handedly because I do believe more greedy hands than just the pubs were involved in this.  If you want to point the finger and place blame, at least be willing to see that your own political party should carry part of the blame as well.  Pubs and dems are both to blame for our current situation that we find ourselves in.  We all want to say this is totally Bush's fault and yet we fail to recognize Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, etc.  We fail to recognize that it was Bill Clinton who forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them.  We can't blame every single thing on Bush and the pubs.  The dems had their hand in this too.


Do you feel that the dems are completely blameless?


Those that sided with the dems...
are not real republicans, they are Republicans In Name Only - otherwise known as RINOs.

Contrastly, there are Democrats In Name Only - aka DINOs, and it should come as no surprise that they are not very popular within their party either.
And the monitor obviously has one-sided rules.

All you have done since you showed up here a few days ago is attack me personally.  You don't even know me, and it wouldn't matter what I posted, you have already made your mind up that you hate me, and all you want to do is call names and insult.


It started when I posted a response to Democrat's post above.  Since then, you've done nothing but attack me.


At least Carla was asking intelligent questions and trying to have a meaningful and informative dialogue on the CON board.  Yet, she was reprimanded by the moderator.


All YOU have done is insult and be just generally nasty and rude.  In none of your posts have you made an effort to have an intelligent dialogue.  All you're about is attacking.  Yet, YOUR actions go unreprimanded.


Says a lot about fairness on this board.


And now, knowing how much the truth is appreciated here, I suppose I will be banned, while you will be free to continue on with your rudeness and hateful attacks.


Will you leave?  Sure.  *RME*  As soon as pigs fly or as soon as AG stops *accidentally* posting on this board.  Choose one.


 


Your one-sided posts are so stereotypical of your
This is not a cartoon world.
your post was just as one-sided and attacking as
What a shame.  When I first read it, I was expecting it to be unbiased, but all I read in your post was negativity against Obama and defense of McCain.  You probably would be better off on the gab board. 
FOX is completely one sided and is a tabloid
like you
Anyone who watches one-sided news
aren't too smart.  I don't consider MSNBC and half the so-called news programs unbiased.
Can you get anymore tunnel vision and one-sided?

gee, one-sided U.S. news coverage...go figure....it's how Obama

Here, here, satellite sally. We have not

had a tax cut but a tax increase in the last 8 years.  Wonder how many people know that they did not get a tax cut, but an increase?  The taxcuts that JM is talking about are for the rich, not middle class. JM lies about Obama going to tax the middle class. The lying liars and the lies they tell.  Amazing people don't or won't see through it all.  Seems all the pub followers know is what they hear, instead of finding out for themselves where the country is headed, straight into another depression and may be a great depression as in the 1920s.  Not to increase taxes on the rich?  How are JM and pubs going to pay for their wars?  On the backs of middle class? I think not as there will be no middle class to exploit.


Sally, you really are a mean person.
nm
Just look at what Sally posts and says
nm
Sally, they can dish it out but can't take it!

sally bring your

post regarding Mccain's lack of support for troops up the top.  It is highly relevant and I think it is buried in the muck and name-calling below.


 


sally, not to be a pain in the

tuckus, but can you bring up the post regarding mcCain's votes regarding vet's issues?  I tried to find it - really - but I can't.


 


and the answer is....sally....you have nothing better to
do today, right?


Head up. This just in. Sally is not the only
I posted this piece and I ain't Sal.
geez sally, is it also your god given right...sm
to be banned from posting on this web site? Because your heading that way. We'd be better off without you, but to be fair, why don't you just clean up your act?

There is a rule against profanity. You might want to look into that one, posted by the Moderators.




Beware of Flaming!! Moderation is Kept Minimum on this board. Posted By: Administration On: 2008-08-27
Reply by Email!

Before you start reading/making posts on politics board:

- Beware of Flamed messages & Flamers here.

- Politics board is moderated on a less-stringent level to allow freedom to express opinions related to issues discussed.

As long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree and we shouldn't wear our feelings on our sleeves, a little more oversight on here would be good. What we do not want to see is overzealous moderators that ban every thread that may be controversial on politics board.

If it's lewd, pornographic, slanderous, blatantly mean spirited, then that's one thing. Otherwise, let people express his or her opinion and move on. If you don't like someone, just ignore that person. It's not rocket science, you know?

Use the Golden Rule if all fails. Trolls are going to come over here from other sites/forums to irritate us. Once they see that no one replies to their senseless posts, they'll stop. Again, ignore them. It's easy!

Please don't see this sticky message as a license to flame, but as a license to open discussion.
Sally, that was the best description of her
'SLUG' - harhar --- LOVE it.
Thank you, Superficial Sally!
So you diagnosed McCain with congestive heart failure.

Funny. I was thinking Obama looked like he had manorexia. Or AIDS.


Just ignore mustang sally....sm
..there is nothing of substance or value in his/her/its posts, except trying to upset republicans. Just ignore it.
I AGREE, IGNORE SALLY, SHE IS
nm
Speaking of substance, Sally, that is what your
nm
Give it up sally, they are just baiting you...sm
It is really a shame that you cannot have an intelligent discussion or exchange of information, not rumor or innuendo, on this board, or any other in my experience. As an MT you would not put something in a report that you could not verify, yet over here it is very common. The guy who says he is a college grad is probably 16 years old. They are just getting their jollies stirring the pot.

I'm not ignoring Sally. She can hold her own,
meticlously discredit endless barrages of pub bash, misconceptions, misprentations and misinformation. I for one am preparing to bury the garbage under piles and piles of irrefutable fact by ensuring the focus stays on issues rather than personalities and that pub/NeoCon values are contrasted with O Vision in terms that will expose them for exactly what the pretend they are not...4 more years of same old poop without a change in sight. I suspect other O supporters know exactly what they are up against and what then need to be doing about it...and are doing it as we speak. For me, the quality of my life in the next 4 years depends ensuring Pub defeat in November and I am confident that other dems are similarly motived to do the same.
Now maybe you see what we've had to endure at Sally's
and the left hands in recent days.

The mirror in your hand, with the reflection peering out, is not so pretty, is it?

That's the double standard here.

My post just happened to rile you up, the way yours have tried to rile us all day.

What a waste of time and energy, on both sides, when there are so many other important things to discuss.




Sally, you actually make me laugh, thanks.
nm
you mean left wing....it's a left wing ding website on the messiah....the right wouldn't bothe

Sally sells seashells by the seashore
nm
Officially welcoming sally onboard.
nm
I figured out Silly Sally! See inside!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Silly+Sally


 


oops typo, *Not Without My Daughter* (Sally Field).....
xxx
No, shallow Sally. Repubs are smart, but lefties
nm
People are ignoring Sally, and for good reason.
nm
That issue defines liberals these days, sally...
I do not define them, they define themselves. My mind is much more open than yours. lol.