That was actually a very good analogy
Posted By: sbMT on 2008-10-18
In Reply to: What a ridiculous analogy! - Sheesh
And very true. It's like when teachers used to grade on a curve. Not bragging, but I was a straight A student up until high school. All during middle school I studied my butt off and had straight A's, but so many times the teacher would grade on a curve and it just taught me not to bother because if I just failed along with everyone else she would give us a better grade.
It's just not right. I agree those making big bucks because of illegal practices or deceptive tactics should be brought down, but if someone is rich because they worked hard to get there they shouldn't have to give a portion of that to someone else.
And just for anyone that wants to say I was "born with a silver spoon in my mouth" or whatever, you're wrong. Last year my DH and I made a whopping $24,000 between us, and we won't make that much more this year. I would probably greatly benefit from O's plan. But I'm not taking some stranger's money. We didn't buy a house above our means and we didn't buy new cars and new toys when everyone else did. Therefore when times get hard, we can take care of ourselves.
That's what this country needs to get back to. Hard work and taking care of OURSELVES, not expecting someone else to do it for us.
Oh, and maybe if everyone got off their butts and started working, we could see the ones who REALLY needed help and without the government people could reach out and help them.
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Not a good analogy, at all. sm
Thus the disconnect.
Pretty good analogy.
Used to be, most military leaders started out in the ranks (followers) and the great ones rose to leadership. They learned to be effective leaders by following effective leaders. They learned to lead in combat by serving under combat leadership. In war times, that can still happen - sometimes.
But nowadays, most military officers are 'college boys' (community organizers?)who have never served in the ranks and don't really know how to lead because they never leaned how to follow. And in challenging situations, these guys don't inspire much confidence in their troops.
I like the Japanese busines philosophy. Before you get to be a CEO of an auto company you work 'on the line' learning how to put the cars together, and in other company divisions until you have experience in all aspects of the business. Then you have some grasp of how to effectively lead the business. Only then are you worthy to sit in the corner office and make decisions that affect the business and every employee in it.
Another analogy
Skinhead, racist militia nutjobs are to Conservativism as Nazi death camp thugs were to the Bavarian Yodeling Society.
What a ridiculous analogy!
Reading your post was a complete waste of time!
I think it is a perfect analogy.
I'm sorry you feel like you wasted your time reading my post but grades are earned just like incomes are earned. To take away from one to give to another is just absurd, discouraging, and not fair at all to the people who worked hard to achieve their incomes or grades. It encourages people to not work as hard because they are penalized for making more and it will encourage more people not to work because they will get a check from the government supporting them anyway...so why bother.
That is a great analogy. nm
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What is it about my analogy you don't understand??
Really, really bad, racist, violent, crazy people have the same relationship to Conservatism
as
people shoving Jews into gas chambers have to a society of yodelers in lederhosen.
i.e., No freakin' similarity at all! They're not the same thing! Is this too abstract for you guys? Work with me here! To equate Conservatives and/or returning vets with the far right radical movement is absurd, and politically motivated.
Ummm...my analogy refers to
I have looked beyond the pretty face. Problem is, I don't see a whole lot there, unless she is trying for her old position as PTA chairman. The depth of your analysis, as you insist on trying to deflect this away from the issue of her paper-thin resume and toward some sort of cat fight over "looks" demonstrates exactly what kind of follower she will attract. Do you think that slam about envy and being unattractive has any bearing on anything of substance? Trust me. These are not some isolated ramblings from an envious, malcontent, ugly, what's-her-name/Cindy McCain wannabe. You and she will have to be answering some really tough challenges from all those groups named in the previous post. Guess you missed that as your post disintegrated into name-calling that has absolutely nothing to do with the very serious issues at hand. In terms of her preparedness to lead this nation, she strikes me and many, many others as being a Bobo. My little post….just the tip of the iceberg. You'd better find some bigger guns than lipstick and nail files.
Make that "my analogy refers to
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Good post....truth doesn't always sound good
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Good for you! Most people would not recognize good...sm
character if it hit them over the head, just sheep who follow along without thinking for themselves, believing the political pundit spitting out garbage.
Good post - good research (sm)
History does repeat itself at times. I had forgotten about the 50s and Russia.
Very scary times we live in and so many new enemies. This is definitely not a scare tactic but a very clear warning. You can't ignore facts, they are there.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
rasberries
Good point, good post. Thanks.
Good One!!!
 especially since I have four cats and no dogs....I did have a pit bull once, but he was the sweetest thing and rather lick you to death than bite!!!
Good
Great, we have something in common. *BIG HUG*. Bye, Brunson.
Well, good, cuz I am not following you at all. SM
An analogy was made and you are making it sound like a Bible verse? Please. Give it up.
LOL! That's a good one.
Contact the administrator so that you can give her more than just your ISP to use against you. Why not give her your email, so she can report back to your employer with your name, too?
Thanks, good to see
a fair sampling of papers. There are so few independent papers anymore; and they all put out the same spin due to being owned by the The Powers That Be, it is good to hear people speaking out again but my God, what it took to have that happen.
LOL! Good one!
I can't stop laughing at the row v wade line!
As far as everything else you said, I couldn't agree more. Thank you for posting your honest feelings. It helps a lot to know that all those who are born again aren't of the radical mindset that is usually shown on these boards. 
good vs bad
That is the trouble with radical right wingers..they think the world is evil or good..black or white..you are either with us or not..axis of evil..LOL..simple thinking for complicated times, if you ask me..
Good ones...sm
Especially staying the course, 911 and ownership society.
These are good :) nm
Good ones..nm
This is another good one.
This is about the power of dissent and the duty of the TRUE PATRIOT to exercise it.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0704-21.htm
Good for him...sm
(off topic: A 17-year old deputy. That's kinda young for the job I would think.)
Booze does amplify the personality. You do and say things that you would not have if you weren't 'under the influence.' I can't overlook the fact that Mel's father says the the Holocaust did not happen, and is fiction. The same father who moved his family to Australia so that his older brothers would not have to go to Vietnam mind you. What's that saying about apples?
I've learned to separated the man from the movies. Passion of the Christ, I loved.
Pol Pot...not a good example. sm
Pol Pot would have never been allowed his free reign had we stayed the course in Vietnam. The left got their wish. We withdrawn. Millions died. But the left never talks about that.
As far as *we* killing blacks and American Indians. I never killed anyone. Africans were caught and sold by their own people to the slave traders. We can sit and assign guilt until now to kingdom come. To read posts like this further illustrates the people in this country who think of the U.S. as the great Satan.
This is very good to know.
This seems to diametrically oppose what Marylandgal is saying, too.
Good for you and good for him!
I think he is going to go a long way and I think he would make a very deliberate and thoughtful president that could just lead us out of this quagmire the country is currently in, and I think he has the better national healthcare proposition on the table. I hope he maximizes on his momentum. New Hampshire may not be so quick to endorse though.
Well seeing as none are very good...
I think that because none of them are the perfect choice, I want a good speaker to represent us. I'm not in love with Obama, some of what he does is a little unnerving. What Hillary is about just downright scares the you know what out of me (as does McCain - that relic should be in some sanitarium somewhere) - how he made it I don't know because I believe there were a lot of other more qualified candidates on the repubs side. Anyway...seeing as none of them is the "ideal" candidate I at least want someone in who is a good speaker and who can represent our country in a dignified and intelligent manner. Hillary does not. I've listened to her speeches with an open mind hoping (I mean really really hoping) that I would feel differently about her because there was a possibility she could be chosen. But every time she speaks it just brings my hopes down. Her thoughts are not together. She cannot read without constantly looking at her notes, and most of what I hear is "women, women, women. We've been done wrong to and now its payback time. We're going to make them pay for what they did to us, etc, etc (of course not in those exact words - but that is the implication of her speeches). I've not once heard her give a speech of hope and promise. What she does say is more of the same retoric. More of "I'm going to give you this or that - which is what they promised when Bill was campaigning years ago, but never filled their promises back then. That is why I do not believe any of what she says. False hopes.
So yes....candidates are not all that great, but I want a great speaker to talk to other countries and not make us look like fools which is what George Bush & Bill Clinton did when they were in. I also want our leader to talk to our allies AND enemies. Everyone needs to live together in peace and if there is a slight chance that Obama can do it I'm for it. This whole idea that Clinton and McCain will "threaten" other countries with "obliteration". Well how would they feel if our enemies said do what we want or we're going to "obliterate" you. So yes, I'm for someone who is a good speaker and good negotiator.
That is all well and good, but....
I still don't agree. I hear "most Muslims don't agree with," but you never hear the Muslims themselves saying so. Why don't they? Why don't they write articles, get published, come out publically against extremism? Now I know that there are Muslims who are not prone to violence and yes, they abhor it...but a personal feeling means nothing if those who feel that way don't unite and make themselves known. Of course Muslim countries denounced the attack...what would YOU do if you thought you might come into the crosshairs of the US military? Who knows what they were saying to their own people. I seem to remember footage of your regular Muslim folks dancing in the streets over there and saying we got what we deserved. They were not members of AL Qaeda, just everyday Muslim citizens. So...sorry....I don't think this gentleman gets it and I don't think Obama gets it either.
There will always be fundamentalists, and I believe more Muslims than not are fundamentalists; just will not say so, and just a few of them can do great damage and frankly, I want a President in the White House that I think those people will have a grudging respect for; I want them to think he/she will train down misery on them if they attack us again. Because, frankly, that is all they understand, and for all Bush's failures (and he has many in my books, including spending like there was no tomorrow), I believe that is one thing he HAS done and the way he reacted to 9-11 is exactly what has kept them from attacking us like that again. They don't want American boots on the ground in anymore Muslim countries. Because Bush gets it. He knows who and what he is fighting.
Just as an aside....what makes you think Obama is in favor of free trade? His votes in Congress and many of his statements are in direct contradiction to that...? I have read up on it, and while he has made statements that he is "for" free trade, all his actions speak otherwise.
Bottom line...I don't trust him, I don't think he understands Muslim extremism, and I know he is way further to the left and has rampant socialist tendencies that I don't agree with...and if he is elected, look for taxes to go up no matter what he says, because to do everything he wants to do is going to cost a lot of money. And when he starts with the taxing the "rich" and people start to jump on that bandwagon...they need to look at the income thresholds for those "rich" and realize that it will hurt the small businesses who employ a great many people in this country. If he does that, look for more jobs and companies to go offshore. A major contributor to offshoring is companies trying to get out from under the huge tax burden Democratic congresses have put on them.
As a side note...violence associated with the Muslim religion is not new...their rampage across Europe killing Christians on the way to trying to take over Jerusalem...that was many hundreds of years ago, leading to the crusades. Muslim extremists (although they were all pretty extreme in those days) were about world domination then and they are about it now...they are just more clever in how they seek to bring it about.
And look at Sharia law...how much more violent can you get? Stonings, cutting off limbs, honor killings...sorry...I don't think they get it at all...just my opinion. If you put in Sharia law in this country we would have a gazillion stonings a day and a good portion of the populace would be limbless...if even alive. And there are American citizens (though Muslim) who have participated in and fully condoned honor killings...sooo I don't think it is wise to assume that free markets and capitalism will change minds and hearts. Nice thought...just not a realistic one, in my view. While there ARE those Muslims who are not extreme in how they interpret the Koran...I do not think they are in the majority. Nothing about the world today makes me come anywhere close to believing that.
Both of those men are good men....
I was impressed with Duncan Hunter during the primaries. I really have no idea where McCain is going to go. Another real interesting aspect of this race. I have to say Obama surprised me choosing Biden. Especially when they have Biden saying on tape he would be proud to run with McCain. Now he is going to have to turn around and attack McCain. Slight loss of credibility there. Oh well. Friendships often get thrown under the political bus...on both sides.
good one!
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Good. nm
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Good one!
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That was a good one!
Bullseye.
and we could all use a good
laugh -- breaks the tension of the past couple months.
That's a good one!
That Sarah Silverman is ignorant!
Good one... :) (NM)
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Good one. nm
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Good job?
Not so good.
Constant attacks on one's opponent is not a good strategy in a debate; it backfires. Obama was better, no attacks here, only one rebuttal.
Okay, that was a good one!
No, Mickey Mouse votes in Florida, silly! The point is that no one is checking the forms so when Joe Smith comes in to vote 16 times, no one even bats an eye because there he is, all 16 times, registered to vote.
not looking good sm
What I meant was that others seem to like to make her look bad, i.e., the Couric interview. I am not on either side, I am just interested in the presentation of each side, trying to be fair to all. Undecided!
Good for you. I am sure you are a lot more...sm
organized than I, but it doesn't make me any less an American citizen because I don't have my original. Apparently my certified copy was good enough to get an American passport.
That's a good one......sent it on to everyone
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Woo hoo! SAM!! Good to see you!
*doing my happy dance*
You too...have a good one! nm
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GOOD ONE!!
 You crack me up.
Good for him!
Kind of off topic but someone the other day commented about how there are no "great minds" coming out of this generation (I think she meant mine, i'm 22). Well, maybe it's because we are aborting them all!
Some of you may have heard this before but I'm going to post it just to give you all some perspective:
A father is sick with a cold. The mother has TB. Of the four children they have, one is blind, the second died, the third is deaf, and the fourth has TB. The woman is pregnant again. Given this situation, would you recommend aborting?
A white man rapes a 13-year-old black girl and she is now pregnant. If you were her parents, would you recommend abortion?
If you said yes to these, in the first instance you would have aborted Beethoven, and in the second, you would have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer!
There is a reason for ALL who are conceived.
Good for you!
You are to be applauded for doing research on your own. Now, others won't agree with you but let it roll off your back.
If more posters would do their research and think, they would be doing themselves and the country a big favor.
Good for him! sm
Keep us posted as to what happens. This election is definitely going to be one that determines the path of all future elections. So many unprecedented things going on.
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