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The Patriot Act is up but some want to keep it, including Schumer. Don't blame Bush for that. nm

Posted By: NYNY on 2005-12-22
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You have it wrong nawnaw. That is including Bush cuts. nm
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Bush to criminalize his protesters under Patriot Act

By Patriot Daily
News Clearinghouse


1-13-6



George Bush wants to create the new criminal of disruptor who can be jailed for the crime of disruptive behavior. A little-noticed provision in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics.


The Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with breaching security and to  charge for entering a restricted area which is where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting. In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.


Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse's diary:


Who is the disruptor? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies.  A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.


What are the parameters of the crime of disruptive behavior?  The dictionary defines disruptive as characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination.   The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a style of interaction with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members.


What are the rules of engagement for disruptors?   Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.


(1)  People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.


In the beginning of this war against disruptors, Americans were ejected from taxpayer funded events where Bush was speaking. At first the events were campaign rallies during the election, and then the disruptor ejectment policy was expanded to include Bush's post election campaign-style events on public policy issues on his agenda, such as informing the public on medicare reform and the like. If people drove to the event in a car with a bumper sticker that criticized Bush's policies or wore T-shirts with similar criticism, they were disruptors who could be ejected from the taxpayer event even before they engaged in any disruptive behavior. White House press secretary McClellan defended such ejectments as a proper preemptive strike against persons who may disrupt an event: If we think people are coming to the event to disrupt it, obviously, they're going to be asked to leave.


(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out those persons who it deems having disruptor potential and then blacklist those persons from events.


The White House even has a list of persons it deems could be disruptive to an eventand then blacklists those persons from attending taxpayer funded events where Bush speaks. Sounds like Bush not only has the power to unilaterally designate people as enemy combatants in the global war on terror, but to unilaterally designate Americans as disruptive in the domestic war against free speech.


(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions against disruptors.


Bush's war against disruptors was then elevated to surveillance, monitoring, and legal actions against disruptor organizations. The FBI conducts political surveillance and obtains intelligence filed in its database on Bush administration critics , such as civil rights groups (e.g., ACLU), antiwar protest groups (e.g., United for Peace and Justice) and environmental groups (e.g., Greenpeace).


This surveillance of American citizens exercising their constitutional rights has been done under the pretext of counterterrorism activities surrounding protests of the Iraq war and the Republican National Convention. The FBI maintains it does not have the intent to monitor political activities and that its surveillance and intelligence gathering is intended to prevent disruptive and criminal activity at demonstrations, not to quell free speech.


Surveillance of potential disruptors then graduated to legal actions as a preemptive strike against potential disruptive behavior at public events. In addition to monitoring and surveillance of legal groups and legal activities, the FBI issued subpoenas for members to appear before grand juries based on the FBI's intent to prevent disruptive convention protests.  The Justice Dept. opened a criminal investigation and subpoenaed records of Internet messages posted by Bush`s critics.  And, the Justice Dept. even indicted Greenpeace for a protest that was so lame the federal judge threw out the case.


So now the Patriot Act, which was argued before enactment as a measure to fight foreign terrorists, is being amended to make clear that it also applies to American citizens who have the audacity to disrupt President Bush wherever his bubble may travel. If this provision is enacted into law, then Bush will have a law upon which to expand the type of people who constitute disruptors and the type of activities that constitute disruptive activities. And, then throw them all in jail.


Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse 


Well, of course you do, because it's something else to blame Bush for. nm

Bush really is to blame for everything

including natural disasters and including the fact that people built a city below sea level with water on all sides and was told that anything over a Cat 3 storm would wipe out the city.  The city failed in adequately planning to evacuate the people in case of such an emergency.   While I'm absolutely heartbroken to what is happening to people there, especially those who couldn't evacuate themselves the city has been told this would happen for years.  Even if Bush had not cut some funds to the area adequate plans would have still not been in place.  Everyone has said at one time or another that New Orleans was a disaster waiting for a Cat 4 or higher storm to happen.  You can pin this on Bush like you do everything else that happens in this world, but Bush is hardly to blame for the devastation.  Finger pointing does no good at this point.  We all must dig deep and do what we can do for those in New Orleans.  Arguing the political aspects of this disaster will not hydrate one dehydrated baby or feed one hungry person or build one adequate shelter.  


My advice to everyone is to step away from your computer, go buy some non-perishable items and get it to a relief point tomorrow.


We cant blame Bush?
Yes we can, yes we can. Have you not heard that one before? I see no reason to stop now.
Oh, they blame Bush for everything. If we get
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blame on bush's shoulders
Not my point at all.  Bush caused thousands of deaths, not I.  I am glad the American people are finally seeing him for what he is, a truly callous, self centered, immature, lying, vulgar man..I read a study by a psychiatrist who analyzed Bushs behavior and he labels Bush a sociopath.  The behaviors that Bush shows America and the world do fit criteria for sociopath.  I am not glad of any of the deaths.  Im just glad the Americans are seeing Bush in the true light.  He is not a uniter, he is a divider.  He is not a compassionate conservative, he is a hard core rich boy who caters to his class and the ones who have him in their pockets.  Our country has not been this divided since Nixon and the Vietnam War and Watergate.  He is so disconnected from reality and what the working class, middle class, who keep this country together really wants, needs and feels.  Put the blame where it belongs, on Bush's shoulders.
Wow, that's just ranting. Who will you blame once Bush is gone?
with some facts instead of raving like a lunatic. It sounds like you've been watching too many Michael Moore mockumentaries. Katrina is a good example, people were told to evacuate and didn't, then figured out hmm, maybe we shoulda evacuated. Sorry we didn't listen, but can you help us out NOW? Yes, the buses not being mobilized were troubling, but those buses that sat unused weren't Bush's fault.

Here's the scenario time and again: People don't listen or heed warnings and when there are consequences to that, they want to blame someone else. There were rescuers that risked their lives to save people who didn't listen to evacuation orders, what about them?? Would you do that for someone who didn't listen when you told them to get out of dodge?

But that aside, let's fast forward to Gustav. People are evacuated successfully when a cat. 4 hurricane is headed their way, but when Mother Nature (not Bush, Nagin, the weathermen, or anyone else) decides it will make landfall with less strength, then people complain because they were evacuated and safe! They complain that the RNC stopped to request aid for victims, oh that's all just a show. So they're all damned if they do and damned if they don't, and even if it's the beloved and revered Barack in office, it will be exactly the same in a few years from now. It will all be his fault because he's inexperienced, no matter that the majority of the people in the USA chose to vote him into office. (Oh, but that will be because of corruption at the ballots, no doubt, because we gotta blame anything but ourselves!)

No matter who is elected, I feel sorry for them because the majority of people want their hands held and handouts, few want to be accountable for themselves and their own actions, and MANY people want to place blame on someone or something for all their problems, even the ones that they brought upon themselves. No one person or agency can be there to save every person from every disaster, every pitfall, or just from themselves, so no matter who makes POTUS, they will be blamed and called names regardless because so many people in this country have lost any semblence of respect for their fellow human beings.
And here's the don't blame anyone but Bush rebuttal
like clockwork.
Even the republicans blame BUSH, where have u been? nm
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Yep! That's it! Blame what Bush has done on Obama...

...again!  LOL!


How pitiful. 


Didn't vote for Bush, can't blame me for that...nm

well, if this is true, I blame Bush, Cheney and all the damage
they have done to this country. The republicans will always go down in history as to blame.

They have had full control and yet still manage to blame everyone else for the problems.

Look around, because Bush has left this country with no other option but for the government to step in. This has been breeding because of his carelessness and ineptitude. He ruled like a king/tyrant in the white house.

This will be on his hands.
"we" blame Bush for what he did wrong, sorry if you cannot bear to....sm
take the blinders off. I thought Bill Clinton was a great Preident and humanitarian, but a LOUSY husband, but the country did not marry Clinton, and the Pubs with Ken Star and his WITCH HUNT went after Bill for what he did in his private sexual life that had nothing to do with his job as President. Wow, we impeached the guy and spent millions of tax dollars doing it!!! Yay! But he still led us one of the most prosperous times in American History budget-wise, and if he is kinky in his bedroom, so what? Do you want someone in your bedroom? What do you guys use as a measure for success? Blind loyalty was what REALLY got all the people to drink the Kool-Aid down in Jonestown, and with all the denial about the Bush years, I feel like we are down there in that jungle.
Yeah, and guess who he'll blame the whole four years....yep...bush...nm

Bush....they will still blame Bush.
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Because you limited it to Schumer...
When in all fairness, they all saw it coming and, I believe, had no idea how to stop it from gaining momentum - so they cashed out and left the rest of us to flounder.
We can certainly prosecute Schumer.
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Schumer is speaking (almost done now) about passing

this stimulus. He says, "Don't give us the back of your hand because we have made efforts. It is not perfect, but it's sure a lot better than sitting here, arguing and doing nothing. It requires concerted and smart action that President Obama wants."


He makes me sick. He stands to get 8.65B, or 28 times more money for his state than Kansas. Kansas will only get $450M.


Sen. Hatch said "...the first bill, the SChip, had no input from the pubs. The stimulus was put together by the dems and had no input from the pubs until the other day. When (Schumer) starts talking about tax cuts, let's not give it to those who don't pay income taxes.


Let's not put this stuff in a stimuls bill that is supposed to work NOW, not 3 years from now. Congress has exceeded the budget every year for 28 years except for Clinton. The government spending is moving towards 40% GDP."


They are supposed to vote at 5:30 today, but I don't think they will be able to.


Senator Hatch said "this is a partisan plan and the more you rely on the government , the expansion of government is going to be enourmous and that's called socialism. We are for a stimulus that would help homeowners, cut small business tax rates, move further and further towards creating jobs, and this bill doesn't do it. We have to stand up on something, and this is it."


Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
are you including yourself?
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You are correct for once...including the
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I have not defended anybody, but since nobody knows the facts,including you,
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It was $250K including a business....
and $250K for a business is nothing. and since when is rich a bad word. Only when someone is jealous.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01.  He was told by Clinton to beware!!  It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!!  FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office.  The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT."  I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat.  And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office. 
Here's the brief filed in court by several media agencies...including
Was Valerie Plame covert?What's curious is that lawyers representing 36 media organizations argued she wasn't in this amici curiae brief submitted to the US District Court.
(page ii) "In this case, there exists ample evidence in the public record to cast serious doubt as to whether a crime has even been committed under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (the "Act") in the investigation underlying the attempts to secure testimony from Miller and Cooper. If in fact no crime under the Act has been committed, then any need to compel Miller and Cooper to reveal their confidential sources should evaporate."
And further
(ppg 30,31) "Plame was not given 'deep cover' required of a covert agent...She worked at a desk job at CIA headquarters, where she could be seen traveling to and from, and active at, Langley. She had been residing in Washington — not not stationed abroad-- for a number of years. As discussed below, the CIA failed to take even its usual steps to prevent publication of her name."
And further
(pg 31) Moreover, the government may have "publicly acknowledged or revealed" her intelligence relationship prior to publication of Novak's July 14, 2003 column. "The United States has 'revealed' an intelligence relationship if it has disclosed information which names, or leads directly to the identification of...a covert agent." S. Rep. 97-201, at 23. An article in The Washington Times indicated that Plame's identity was compromised twice prior to Novak's publication. If this information is accurate - another fact a court should explore - there is an absolute defense to prosecution. See 50 U.S.C. § 422(a).

And WHO was one of the media outlets who filed this brief? OMG, say it isn't so....CBS. The same ones who are now trotting Plame out to say she WAS covert.

What a crock, reveille. Really!!



we had a small business, you deduc everything including the kit sink! sm
coming out 250K after deductions you are sitting pretty. Deductions include payroll, etc. You are the owner of a company and with clear earnings after deductions of 250K you are better off than the majority of families in the US.
I have a whole set of cast iron including the dutch oven
As for electric for the fridge, we have a generator we can use if necessary but it gets cold enough here that we can store our food outside. Ah, the good old days.
Since you're having this conversation with yourself, including my side of it, pray continue.
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Add to that the Patriot Act..
They could not get the Patriot Act passed before 9/11.  Read this Act.  It is downright scary and at the very end it states "or other purposes."   What "other purposes?" 
yes. Patriot. nm
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Don't want a patriot, need someone

who is highly intelligent, who takes time to think through his/her decisions, not a shoot off the hip kind of guy.


what does this have to do with the patriot act?
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Now here's a patriot...Not..(sm)

Rush Limbaugh:  *I Hope Obama Fails."  Somebody's gotta say it.*


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html  


Maybe we should put that patriot act to good use....(sm)

like on the nuts at Fox News who are doing nothing but inciting violence.


http://leesearles.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/rightwingnuttery-glenn-beck-and-the-rise-of-fox-news-militia-media-edition/


Sheehan, a true patriot
I have followed this courageous woman who sacrified her son for this war and I have nothing but praise and respect for her.  She is a true American.   
Michael Moore a patriot? sm
in WHAT alternate universe? Investigate? He wouldn't know a true investigation if it bit him on his very large butt. During the last election when he called Americans in general and Democrats in particular stupid...well I guess he loves the country but holds the people in contempt...particularly liberals as that is what he said...a patriot? Well the founding fathers would spin in their graves on that one. LOL...omg. Michael Moore a patriot. LOL.
He was a true patriot! I'll bet you are
proud of him.
I didn't vote for or against the Patriot Act and neither did you....
Congress did. Obama voted to reauthorize it as well.

The Patriot Act has nothing whatsoever to do with communism. What would make you say that?
Patriot Act/health care
You mean HC, of course. She was not different than any other congress and senate members. Patriot Act parts 1 and 2 were passed BEFORE the Iraq War WMD Bush lies, people die justification based on faulty intelligence was revealed. It makes me crazy that it is still there and I truly hope to see it revised or scrapped sometime in the next 4 years.

I am asking you, seriously...do you know when you started feeling vulnerable to govt control? I feel that too, but I am sure for different reasons than you...and I really am interested to know what make you feel that way.

Obama's plan is not a socialist plan like the ones you are referring to. He is not taking free enterprise out of health care. He is proposing to open up the existing plan that now covers Congress, the senate and federal employees. I have looked at that plan. It offers a number of choices in terms of deductible amounts, types of coverage (HMO, PPO, etc), premium amounts and the like. Pre-existing conditions are covered under some of those plans, if not all of them. He is aiming his pre-existing changes toward private insurance companies as part of his health plan.

It works like any other group plan. If you broaden the base of employees (in this case, citizens added to the plan by CHOICE, not force), the premiums come down. The care remains the same. You are free to choose the plan that best suits your needs or elect to keep your existing insurance. For Obama, it is a question of giving people access to affordable health care. He is not suggesting to transfer tax dollars to create the kind of plan you are describing that you consider to be subpar.

What is TriCare? I have to leave for a little while, but when I get back I will try to retrieve the link I used to inspect the existing federal plan and if I find it, I will post it later this afternoon. BTW, I know I come on strong and use sarcasm to a fault when I feel I am dealing with a poster who I think (sometimes mistakenly) is either ill informed or showing disrespect...not when having healthy debates over differences in opinion, beliefs or ideology. Those debates end up being the most informative of all and are a lot more satisfying than just preaching to the choir.

Do you recall the pre-Patriot Act world?
when diverse viewpoints were at our fingertips and not dictated by Mega-Media outlets riding around in the pockets of political status quo? Not only has this dummed down American audiences nationwide, but it has been a direct assault on the democratic process.

Patriot Act provisions:
1. Law enforcement agencies authorized (and sometimes forced) to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial and other records without a warrant. This has been exercised against their own citizens, the most recent instance being voyeuristic easedropping on intimate conversations between American troops serving in Iraw and their spouses...right to privacy in 1st, 4th and 5th admendments notwithstanding.
2. Eased restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States. This has allowed them to expand their definition of terrorisim to include individuals and groups exercising their 1st amendment right to redress the government via political dissent.
3. Expanded the Secretary of the Treasury's authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities. An example of this would be freezing funds of a first generation natural born citizens sending money to their family members who still live overseas.
4. Enhances the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting SUSPECTED (not proven) of terrorism-related acts. This has not worked out well for many perfectly innocent citizens and permanent residents whose only crime is to have a Moslem name.
5. The act also expands the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA Patriot Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied.

Abuse of the Patriot Act has been rife and is the stuff of legend, as is the controversy that surrounds it. The erosion of civil right stemming from this one piece of legislation is breath-taking, but the mindset that created it....even more so. I will be voting for a candidate that shows at least some sort of awareness of civil rights. Those are the freedoms I worry about.

Huckabee forgot about the Patriot Act...
Ummm audacious? More control? I'm getting whiplash from looking behind in order to look ahead.
I guess our definitions of a Patriot differs

and I guess that's okay, but the truth will come out in the wash, eventually.  All the media filters in the world will not keep the truth coming from coming out eventually, and we may all be surprised at what the truth actually is which may be drastically different than either one of our points of view.


Obama voted to extend the Patriot Act...
just so you know. After he said he would work to repeal it. There's some honesty for ya. Frankly, I don't think throwing your pastor and mentor of 20 years under the bus for your political career is particularly moral either. But that is just me.
This should make **patriot** Cheney happy.

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Please give examples of people violated by the Patriot Act
like rr said, Nancy Pelosi said she knows of no one who has been abused by the Patriot Act.


We lost our freedom with the last admin. - wire tapping, Patriot Act, etc....nm
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That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.

Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
blame
September 1, 2005
Conservatives Helped This Happen
by Dan Pashman, Senior Producer,  Morning Sedition


As terrible as it is, this attack could be miniscule if,  in fact, God
continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies  of  America  to
give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU's got to take a lot  of the
blame for this…The abortionists have got to bear some of the burden for
this because God will not be mocked…I really believe that  the pagans,
and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays  and the
lesbians…all of them who have tried to secularize America,  I point the
finger in their face and say, 'you helped this happen.'
  - Rev. Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001

Who can forget Jerry Falwell's infamous post-9/11 indictment of
America?  'You helped this happen,' Falwell said to the majority of
Americans,  who disagree with him on a majority of issues.

Now, a conservative group called Columbia Christians for Life has
proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was another one of God's punishments,
  citing as evidence the supposed resemblance between the hurricane's 
image on a weather map, and a fetus.

Trying to refute such claims from these zealots is truly an exercise in
futility. But searching for explanations after a disaster of Katrina's 
magnitude is not. And if you do in fact search for those explanations, 
you'll reach an unavoidable conclusion:

Hurricane Katrina may have been an act of God. But the level of death 
and destruction it caused was not. That was an act of conservatism.

It is conservative policies that made this natural disaster unnaturally
  catastrophic. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands 
today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this
happen.

Conservative policies have led to an increase in poverty across the
nation, especially in New Orleans, one of the poorest major cities  in
America. About 150,000 people in New Orleans lived below the poverty 
line before Katrina, 100,000 of them in abject poverty, making less 
than $8,000 a year. Their poverty left them with nowhere to go, and  no
means of escape, as the hurricane bore down on their homes.

Conservative policies have led to more global warming, which scientists
  agree has already begun producing more intense hurricanes and storms. 
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a former Republican Party Chairman 
and longtime GOP operative, has seen his own state ravaged by Katrina. 
But he was vital in helping to convince the Bush administration to 
squash the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, and pushed Bush to go 
back on his campaign promise to regulate carbon dioxide. Governor
Barbour  would dare express grief over the deaths that he himself
enabled.

Conservative policies have led to a war in Iraq based on lies, and tax
cuts for the rich, both of which, we know for a fact, took money
directly away from vital hurricane preparedness work in New Orleans. 
On nine occasions in 2004 and 2005, The New Orleans Times-Picayune
specifically  cited the cost of the Iraq War as a reason for the
shortfall in hurricane-  and flood-control funds. The levees that gave
way under  Katrina's pressure were supposed to be upgraded with money
that ended  up in Halliburton’s coffers.

Conservative policies have also led to the National Guard's misuse and
abuse, leaving the Gulf Coast without the personnel and equipment 
vital to a recovery effort of this magnitude. More people will die  on
the Gulf Coast as they await their would-be saviors, who are in  Iraq,
victims themselves of conservative policies.

There can be no doubt that while Hurricane Katrina was not preventable,
  much of the death and destruction left in its wake was. I say to
conservatives,  you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger
in your face  and say, You helped this happen.

Blame must go somewhere.
So you put it solely on the poor themselves? More people in this country are slipping into poverty every day - whole families of them, fathers included. That was a good thoughtful post and I thank you for writing it but hope you will take a moment to consider another side.

While throwing money at a problem is not guaranteed to fix it, one thing is for sure - throwing billions to the already obscenely rich is sure as heck not going to fix the root cause of any social disorder.

If we want to really get to the root cause of poverty in our society (which I agree is a good idea) we must not exclude the role that capitalism itself plays in not only producing a permanently disadvantaged underclass, but also in keeping it that way. A fair and impartial look at our laws and operating procedures is enough to convince anyone that things are just the way the movers and shakers want them to be. And, you are correct that only the very most motivated and exceptionally gifted will make it out of the morass. That's also the way it's supposed to be, father or no father. Social Darwinism - the cream rises.

Trouble is, we can't all be the cream. It's unreasonable to expect that of everyone. But this is the society that free market capitalism builds. It's going to get worse, too. The next step is a bonding of purpose between the corporate oligarchy and the government itself, and the next step after that is a military police state run by those who consider themselves the cream - in other words, just another banana republic, the very antithesis of what America should be.

Now I don't know about you but I don't think this is the direction America should take and I don't think for a minute it's the result of poor kids having no fathers. That may leave them more vulnerable and more easily manipulated, but it's hardly on their backs. Everyone who's not the cream is victimized in the kind of society that values money and power above everything else.

Right now there are billions upon billions of dollars being handed over not to the poor but to that handful of defense corporations powerful enough to rub elbows with Bush and his cronies. That is where America's money is going and that's where it's going to continue to go as long as we support a government that delights in making itself and its friends wealthy at the expense of everyone else in America.


You know what and who is to blame, don't you?
Deregulation schemes ala John McCain, George Bush, and the Republican Party.

Doesn't that make you and your husband the least bit interested in trying to help change this dire economic situation by changing parties?

If McCain is elected, there is no doubt in my mind that this country will see another great depression, possibly worse than the one that began in 1929.

Heaven help us all!