They are reporting they have the 12 votes they need. sm

• both make me sick - obama/mccain
  • I hate the bill as it is, just s you do.... - sam
    • only two votes... - ...
      • THAT is the way Washington works now. - sam
    • Oh, it isn't $700 billion any more... it is - another oldtimer
      • Isn't it lovely???? - nm
    • I really hope that the house does not approve...sm - oldtimer
      • They are reporting they have the 12 votes they need. sm - LVMT
        • still time - dnh

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I know from 9/11 that Osama wanted to hurt us financially.  In fact, I was waiting for a terror attack 2-3 weeks after our financial crisis to hit us in the US.  Then with the elections and all, I forgot about it, but now this is brought up again.  Did you hear about the Russian Nuclear Sub and had 20 deaths reported on that sub?  What were they doing? 

I must admit we should stock up on supplies like food, water, etc.  Remember the 2000 crisis known as Y2K?  I went to a lot of meetings about the Y2K.  I know we are not having a Y2K problem, but it did help me to understand on what to do if power went out, food famine, money, etc. 

I know all about the Palo Nuclear Power plant outside of Phoenix.  In fact everything about it.  Even visited the silly place.  Too much knowledge actually.  Care to know about it, email me.  I know about the electric grid and how we could be out of power for months and how the grid is all connected to most states, except Texas may pull through it.  I know why we have to have 3 day supply of water, because that is how long it will take someone to get to your neighborhood to give you more water each day in case you need it.  Gosh, I even bought books about Y2K and should probably read those again because it tells you about how to handle a crisis. 

Hope you live in a good neighborhood and better get to know your neighbors.  You all might have to come together some time down the road during a crisis, otherwise, you could be at war with each other, stealing things, using guns and all because of fighting over things.  I am thinking of worst case scenerio of course.  

Don't you dare call me a racist just because I put that in caps. I know nothing about the woman except what I posted here.

Keep on jumping on the racism. Whatever. Who cares who is going into his cabinet.  I work hard for my money and can only get bits and pieces of news. I reported what I HEARD today. 

I post a few things and I get jumped on? Who are you to judge me?

Earlier this week, two producers working for Fox News in Amman Jordan resigned in protest. In their resignation letter, Serene Sabbagh and Jomana Karadsheh wrote We can no longer work with a news organization that claims to be fair and balanced when you are so far from that. Not only are you an instrument of the Bush White House, and Israeli propaganda, you are war mongers with no sense of decency, nor professionalism.”

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/03/1351216

The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do.  They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!

Fool me once, shame on you....etc.

I feel better knowing Congress is smart enough to not believe BU_ _ SH _ _ twice from this farce of a president.

Roberts: Iraq Will Affect Future War Votes
Experience With Faulty Data Has Made Senators More Wary, Panel Chairman Says

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 14, 2005; A04

The Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said yesterday that one lesson of the faulty prewar intelligence on Iraq is that senators would take a hard look at intelligence before voting to go to war.

I think a lot of us would really stop and think a moment before we would ever vote for war or to go and take military action, Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.) said on Fox News Sunday.

We don't accept this intelligence at face value anymore, he added. We get into preemptive oversight and do digging in regards to our hard targets.

He said that agreement has been reached on the Phase 2 review that the intelligence panel is doing to look into whether the Bush administration exaggerated or misused prewar intelligence. The review may not be finished this year, he said.

The intelligence panel vice chairman, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), also appearing on Fox, called the review absolutely useful because if it is the fact that they [the Bush administration] created intelligence or shaped intelligence in order to bring American opinion along to support them in going to war, that's a really bad thing -- it should not ever be repeated.

Appearing on CNN's Late Edition, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley said the White House is supporting the study, adding: I think that what you're going to find is that the statements by the administration had backing at the time from accepted intelligence sources.

He said that when administration statements turned out to be wrong, that was because the underlying intelligence was not true, but that's not the same as manipulating intelligence, and that is not misleading the American people.

Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), appearing with Roberts on Late Edition, said that Iraq became the center of terrorism after the March 2003 invasion.

I'm afraid we're going to see Iraq is not only the center of the war on terror, which it was not before we attacked Iraq, but now it is going to, I'm afraid, export it.

He added that Iraq has become the heartland of terrorism. It was not before we attacked.

Levin, a member of both the Senate intelligence committee and Armed Services Committee, has been a leading critic of the Bush administration's handling of the war.

Levin also said that the United States must get allies, as many as we can, including in the Muslim world because this is a form of fanatic Islam which has to be defeated by the moderate Islamic people.

In a column in yesterday's Washington Post, former senator John Edwards (N.C.), the Democratic vice presidential candidate in 2004, said the failures of the Bush administration turned Iraq into a far greater threat than it ever was. It is now a haven for terrorists [and] has made fighting the global war on terrorist organizations more difficult rather than less.

The president and his senior aides have said since before the invasion that Washington went to war primarily because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was a threat to the United States and its neighbors because of his connection to terrorists. Once fighting began, they argued that Iraq was the central front in the battle against terrorism.

In his Veterans Day speech on Friday, the president turned his original argument around, saying, The terrorists regard Iraq as the central front in their war against humanity, and therefore, We must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war against the terrorists.

But the results also had to be seen, Clinton said, as “a rejection of hard-headed, ideological politics in which people just make up their mind what the answer is and then they try to make the facts fit the answer.”…

Voters also want a government that doesn’t veer too far to the right or too far to the left, he added.

“They thought that the government has gone too far to the right, is too unaccountable. So what they voted for was not necessarily to legitimize the whole Democratic agenda but to give us a chance to build the vital centre of America and to get things done and come together.*

Conservative issues won, which is something AG posted.  That is very telling.  One thing it is not is a revolution. 

O did not vote  on the issues 289 times. He voted yea 220 times and voted nay 128 times.

I haven't had the time to really check out the yea's or nay's but I will in the next couple of days.