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No, because the Republicans don't have enough votes to pass it on their own...

Posted By: sam on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: The same can be said for the pubs that - voted no. hypocritical coconuts, too?

even if they wanted to. Only the Dems. So apparently, they just didn't want it bad enough to put their political but*s on the line. What other reason could there be? They don't want to be the majority in case it tanks. THAT is hypocritical.


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The Democrats had enough votes to pass it without the Republicans...
but refuse to. Why don't THEY grow up and go ahead and pass it? Because they don't want to be the ones to vote it in if it tanks. I repeat...put up or shut up, democrats!
And why would we thank him when it took 217 votes for this to pass?
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Most of his votes are not voting votes....
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O's votes support his claims. JM's votes support Bush.
Believe what you like. Voting records tell the tale. Could use a few more details on that budget. Just what programs will he slash and and how many tax dollars will be directed away from middle class and in the direction of the rich? How much longer can the infrastructure afford to crumble?

JM adopted O's withdrawal plan when he saw how well it went over with the public in an election year. He flipped on the war once. What's to stop him from flipping again once elected? The nation is war weary. Some prefer a surge in diplomacy, not military answers to diplomatic failures. Ask the Iraqis who have lost more than 100,000 among them how sucessful the war has been. Obama has always understood that the OBL/Taliban live in Afganistan, not Iraq. JM, a little slow on the draw there.

I see nothing in JMs platform that backs his claims about transparency. I see specific plan on the O side under technology initiatives, continued initiatives which originated under Clinton and were reversed during the undercover Bush administration. Pork barrel spending for pubs means something different than it does to dems. Slash the poor to give to the rich? Hard seel in the current economic frefall. Also find nothing in JM's plan to address runaway contract corruption in Iraq. Having Halliburton and companies there props up those struggling American corporations. Show me the plan.

Antiglobal/antidiplomacy. No surprise there. This is about the futureworld, not American imperial delusions of grandeur. So much data on the drilling scam being an immediate relief for gas problems out there it is not worth addressing. Can you say T-Bone Pickens, i.e., we can't drill our way out of this one. He should know. Been an oil man all his life.

Since these are just a few, what else do you have up your sleeve?
LOL. 3 more votes....obviously you ...
don't know who the heck she is....lol.
only two votes...
regardless of the weight of their votes, it was a "yes" to a bill that should be better. i still want to know what the crap this "tax exemption for wooden arrows made for use by children" is all about????
It does not matter who votes for it or against it....
it is morally wrong. Because it is legal does not make it right. While I will obey the law of the land, as my faith teaches me to do, I will continue to speak out against a procedure that is murder, no matter who chooses it. See link if you do not believe that life begins at conception. View that and tell me that abortion is not killing a living baby and then defend it as right because someone chooses it. That choice is choosing to kill a child. The one portion of this. If you feel that a woman needs a choice of whether or not to kill a baby, so be it, that is your right and I respect your right to say it. I do not and will continue to speak against it, and I hope that you believe it is my right to do that as well. Some of us must speak for the most innocent who cannot speak for themselves.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=76c82299-9a7a-4656-8ec4-0f6fc1fd6ae0&f=06/64&fg=copy
If it doesn't, whoever votes against it
will probably have a severe media backlash. They made these changes so that the two main arguments - that it covers illegal immigrants and rich people - are discredited. If it doesn't pass, I'm sure they're going to have to deal with the media.
90% yes, but most of the votes were unanimous, so
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Only 11 more votes and it would have passed. nm
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They are reporting they have the 12 votes they need. sm
Just like the Senate, they are making it clear they do not care what their constituents think. The peasants need to start getting mad and show up with their torches and pitchforks.
The more votes they get, the more viable they become. sm
I would still rather vote my principles than hold my nose and vote for a Nazi and a Communist.
Well I wish they could get enough votes to become viable but (sm)
I doubt that they will. I understand your feelings though because I share in them. I just feel like I have to at least choose one as better than the other and make my vote count, because one or the other of them is going to win, and I feel like right now every vote is needed.
If we could just get their votes counted
sure would be a wonderful thing for them. How many of their votes already been disqualified in Virginia, I believe I heard 200,000?
soldiers votes
you know, on the news last evening, in a very mild manner, it was mentioned that maybe only 30% of the overseas military's votes will be counted this election, due to mail problems, time constraints, etc. OUTRAGEOUS!!! To boot, this also happened 4 yr ago, and still no one has fixed it (tho 1 senator is allegedly trying). Where are all the hanging chad type screaming complaints, the concern for the (hate this word now): disenfranchised????  IMO this would not be a hard problem to fix, so why is it still broke?  A soldier's vote should be most definitely counted, WITHOUT FAIL.  Grrrrrr.  not to mention, that in Ohio, reported also last night, the homeless can now list their park benches as their addresses, and vote.  Mind you, you cannot collect help in the form of welfare/food stamps etc without a solid normal address, but you can vote.  nevermind that the homeless are likely uninformed. (don't feed or house them, just give them a ballot and tell them who to vote for...) all the while, our military's votes are casually tossed aside, with an "oh well..."  i am still fuming the next day.
With over 200 electorial votes sm
Obama is most likely the winner. I,too, congratulate him and Mr. Biden on their apparent victory, although I may not be happy about it. I just pray our country can survive what is coming.
We could only hope votes would be
changed, but don't think very many states allow that.
When all is said and done, I bet the total of ALL votes in MN will be....
more than the total of registered voters in the entire state of MN. Come on, give us a break. Do you honestly expect us to believe there are that many "missing" ballots? This has been going on since November 5. Where could those pesky 1,000 votes have been hidden all this time, blast those nasty votes.

That said, I have a question....with all this back room hocus-pocus, will the Republicans be able to filibuster? There are not 60 Dems yet are there?
Votes counted by hand is the only way sm
by someone not getting money from the government. They were never able to call the state of New Hampshire on the news because their votes were all counted by hand. I am not sure if they still do it that way. Votefraud.org specializes on this issue, and there is lots of information there.

Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.
—Communist tyrant and mass murderer Josef Stalin



Let's wait and see how than relates in votes....
shall we? :-)
Every senator on the floor during these votes....
has the identical experience Obama has. Does not make them foreign policy experts. How many times does someone have to say she was at the state level? She has as much foreign policy experience as Bill Clinton did when he was elected PRESIDENT. Geez. Your #1 guy has done...that is why he has Biden. He has never made an executive decision in his life, even in his campaign other than I am Barack Obama and approved this message.

John McCain is the only one of them, including Biden, with real and extended foreign policy experience. He has actually met with world leaders, not run the foreign relations committee. He is already known and respected worldwide. That is a no-brainer...and HE is the one running for the job.


Good for McCain, he has 3 more votes! nm
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Just a few more votes on their part would have passed it. nm
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I especially liked the majority of votes to Obama
that was interesting also. Lets get democrats back in the white house for peace and prosperity to ALL - :)
Doesn't matter to me. I can look up the votes...
on regulation and deregulation. McCain was right about this crisis looming, Dems killed the bill in committee. What I saw was a 30-year product of what is wrong with Washington now and someone who is the antithesis of Washington politics. I am ready for REAL change.

To use your words, hey genius...its the Patriot Act. And it has already been used to foil plots within the US. We live in a different world now. Obama voted to extend the Patriot Act by the way. Just so you know.
That's awful!!! If ANYONE's votes should count is is theirs!!! sm

The government should have made absolutely sure our soldiers' votes were here on time and if not, dammit, we should postpone the election until they do.  They are leaving their families and risking their lives to protect this country and they don't even get a vote on who runs it?? That has me fuming mad!!!!!!!


What about the military votes not being counted? nm
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by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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In 2012 none of our votes will matter, if anyone
The signs will be obvious and the end will be eminent. You should worry less about politics and more about your soul, as should we all.
So what? All legal votes, we are not Iran....nm
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No one is asking for anyone to get a pass...sm
There is enough blame to go around, both dems and repubs, greed and dishonesty knows no party. The guilty should be held accountable, but that is not the immediate concern. Turning this around is so we all don't go down the tubes.
I believe it will come to pass....sm
The name for the NAU currency has already been chosen....the Amero.

In addition to the EU and the NAU, there is also the Africa Union which was formed in 2002 and the soon-to-be Asian Union. These unions will eventually form into a one-world government with NATO as its governing body. There will be a single currency as well.

I agree....sometimes I wish I were still blissfully ignorant of all the goings on in the world today, but then I would not be aware of what to watch for and how it would affect me and my family.
Or if none of that comes to pass,
hopefully you will come to realize that the repub fearmongers have been playing on you fears and you bought into it wholeheartedly.
This, too, will come to pass............ sm
but it won't be the religion that you are probably thinking it will be. Better be careful what you wish for.
She also posted the links to check the votes...
unless the Congressional Record is also conservative propaganda. Lurker had one opinion about what happened to the Dem party after the vote in 1964, this lady had another opinion. Lurker's opinion is somehow more true than this woman's opinion? If so, how may I ask?
So playing the gender card to get votes
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yeah McBush will get all the feminist votes now
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If the American public votes that into office, then

I dont care who votes for Obama. I never could in
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Tennessee Votes for Gore Statue.
I'd give my kingdom to be a pigeon for just one day.
Won't happen, because the party in power wants their votes.....
and the fact that they can VOTE and influence our elections is the WORST affront of all, and the fact that an American political party is on BOARD for that just reeks to the high heaven.
A 12-vote margin out of 400+ votes suggests
If not, folks, it really is "turn out the lights", because this could be the biggest tax increase and worst policy bill that has EVER BEEN CONSIDERED BY CONGRESS in the history of this country.
I will pass your senitments on to those...
I know who are serving. It will come as no surprise to them. At least you admit that you could care less if it hurts them or not...or worsens their plight or makes their jobs harder...which it does. I will tell them you are of the opinion they just need to pray the protesting works in their favor (and if you think a premature withdrawal, or cut and run, is in their favor that just proves you do not know the majority of the military and how they think), and they just need to suck it up and continue to fight and die to protect your right to tell them to suck it up and just keep on serving, if the war is something they believe strongly in. For you to say that the war is something they believe strongly in also proves that you know nothing about them. They are there because their country sent them there and they believe in the mission. George Bush alone did not send them, no matter how much global amnesia the Democrats want to try to have now. They believe in honor and duty. They believe in something bigger than themselves...they believe there are still things worth dying for...like your right to blythely from your warm safe home to tell them to suck it up, pray the protesting works for them and not against them, because it is more important for you to protest than it is for them to be safer. The least you could have done was a little thank you to go with the suck it up, though.

I know what they will say...they will say *you're welcome...anyway.*

Just a final thought...just WHO do you think cheers when they hear Americans in the street protesting? The ENEMY. Do you remember the scenes of Arabs taking to the streets in celebration when 9-11 happened? They watch us. Protesting in a public way is fodder for them to recruit. Read an article today saying they are using You Tube videos for recruitment. I bet several of the leading Democratic Pres contenders are stars. But if giving Al Qaeda little moral boosts is what floats the protestors' boats, by all means...grab the sign and head for the corner.

and I too had to pass on this info

http://share.triangle.com/node/13576


The questions remain :


What is Barack Husein Obama - a Senator from Illinois - doing when he is interacting with a violent rebel, muslim leader in Kenya who may have been responsible for the murder of dozens of innocent people burned to death simply because they took refuge in a church?


What is Barack Husein Obama doing when he interferes in the internal operations of a foreign nation like Kenya?


Are you going to let a well organized and well financed representative of a foreign government push his way any further into your national government?


How many more people have to die before Americans come to understand that Barack Husein Obama is not a product of the land of Lincoln?


Born in Hawaii he spent most of his life in the violent and backward nation of Indonesia – where not too long ago the Australians had to stop the Muslims from killing all the Christians in East Timor.



When will this blood soaked travesty of our national political system come to an end? When will the mocking smirk of our enemies be wiped from our television screens?


Change they want? With the gun? With the torch?


pass the doobie

It helps with appetite and is an analgesic.  Stay home and smoke it.  No harm  done. 


I'm sure something WILL pass -- eventually. -sm
It's just that this bill wasn't quite ready yet, and those voting on it today knew that.

Remember the old TV commercial where the kid asks, 'Is it soup, yet?" And for the bailout, the answer is still 'No, it's not soup yet.'
It'll pass just like it did in the 60s. n/m

He wouldn't pass the
security clearance for the secret service either for that matter.  Would he even pass the clearance to be a local police officer?
If you agree with this pass it on. s/m

I'm sending it to my Senator and Congressman too as well as to Obama.


I was sent a newspaper clipping via e-mail, with a list of changes that, according to the actual author, most American people would very much like to see in our Government.

The actual author is Norma White of Amarillo. She is a retired network engineer for Southwestern Bell. I do not know which newspaper it came from, but after reading it, I would vote for her if she ever ran for Congress. I wanted to share them with you all.


The article's title is:

You Want Change? Try These Ideas.

1. Limit Congress from serving more than two terms. That is all that presidents are allowed.

2. Stop Congress from voting for their own raises. How did that ever get started?

3. Stop paying for lawmakers' high-priced insurance premiums. After all, they are only part-time employees. They might pass some law changes on the insurance companies, if they actually had to find one!

4. Stop paying lawmakers, or the president, their full salary after serving just one term, or when they leave office. We need to get rid of that pension plan; they've let other companies get rid of theirs. You were lucky to get 40 to 50 percent of your salary after working somewhere for 35 years, but they get 100 percent.

5. Make Congress pay into the Social Security system. They make laws for it. If they spent some of their own money, then they might be interested in making it solvent.

6. Stop handing out aid to illegal aliens. If we did, then Medicaid and the food stamp program would have enough money to aid the aged and the poor.

7. Secure our borders.

8. Stop allowing babies born to illegal aliens in the United States automatic U.S. citizenship.

9. Stop the abuse of our benevolent welfare system. We feed children free meals three times a day until they are 17. Churches give away good, clean clothes. Companies buy and donate school supplies. Emergency rooms provide health care at taxpayer expense and the food stamp program is buying food at home. What are parents doing for their children?

10. Have a computer program that cross checks Social Security numbers with finger prints to stop fraud on many fronts. Use it on voter registration too.

11. Stop bailing out mortgage companies and banks that give loans to people who cannot afford them.

12. Stop companies from paying CEOs and other executives outrageous salaries and bonuses while doing away with workers' pensions.

13. Stop all unnecessary spending so we will have the money for our nation's security, and to help needy and elderly Americans.

14. Stop permitting anyone to have a photo with their face covered on driver's licenses.

Unfortunately, no matter who won the presidency, they will not be able to make any of these changes.

Only members of Congress can do that, as they are the lawmakers.

I seriously doubt Congress is interested in changing anything, do you?


 


Pass the crow, please.......sm

After our rather heated debate tonight, I went off in search of answers to the questions of Obama's qualifications to be POTUS, and here is what I found. 


The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"


US Code Title 8,1401 states the following as a qualification of a natural-born US citizen.  (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html).  This is the only qualification that Obama actually passes to qualify to be POTUS, but one is all that is needed as all the qualifications listed are exclusive of each other. 

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

Since this does not specify a particular time frame in which the US citizen parent must live in the US prior to the birth of the child, it must be assumed that any one-year residency would satisfy the requirement. 

Somehow crow for Thanksgiving dinner just isn't quite what I had in mind.  Please make sure it is well done with lots of BBQ sauce. 


 


Most of the time I pass over it, but it is getting very old
There could be a bunch of names I call the other side - Clinton News Network, MS No News here, etc (cant think of a proper acronym for the NBC in MSNBC right now cos it's late), but I'm just getting sick of the name calling. You don't like the news then don't watch the channel, but until you point out fault with the liberal stations then its time to lay off the others.