Try to pay attention this time. I know it's hard.

That he was **not a Christian** was the fable that was spread all over this board and on every conservative site before he was elected. Instead he was accused of being a muslim and a terrorist and the **fables** just got worse and worse.They were all lies. So you're **completely convinced he is not a Christian and then you go on to provide proof that he is. His Christianity is not the **fable**. Bringing back all the speculation about his Christianity like you did in your 1st post is the **fable**.

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side to the Iraq war. What are the successes? I am only asking because I want what you think are the successes. Not bashing your opinion, just curious. Because, I see no success in the thousands and thousands of deaths of our military and the civilians.

I know I will get bashed about this but... It just seems like we have enough going on in our own country that nobody is doing anything about. We have wars here every day, many of us don't see it first hand because of where we live but go into any big city and you will realize it the wars kids have to avoid or fight just to stay alive. I just wish Bush and Congress would pour more money into our fights and problems like they did in Iraq. Maybe I am being selfish when I saw that I think our people should come first.

them out, but when I think of my mother who will lose my late dad's pension and her medical benefits.....I can't help but push for a bailout so my father's hard work of 35+ years wasn't for nothing.

I personally feel that this is a combination of things. These companies made bigger vehicles and trucks because that is what people wanted to buy....that is until gas prices went up and that changed. I believe management there hasn't been the greatest and I truly believe that unions and the money spent on them has really caused this downfall.

However, I must state that it seems to me that some of the same people who professed to vote for Obama and had no problem with robbing from hard-working Americans to redistribute that wealth to others.....so why now are some of you so he!! bent on letting the automakers go belly up? Wouldn't it technically be redistributing wealth to help keep millions of Americans in their jobs? I just find it ironic that some people say we should give our money to less fortunate and yet scream and yell when their money could go to saving millions of Americans jobs.

You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today. And I said the same holds true for republicans. I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways. Got it now?

they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons. You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.

As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.

The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.

I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc.

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here.

Read the sticky above. Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here.

We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board.

Back off and take it easy on people. Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks. You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names.

The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here. Read the sticky. Beware of flaming in these posts. If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts.

to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it. Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance. I have no problem helping people who need it. I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that. Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.

Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that. We aren't being heartless here. We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.

If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need. Think about it.

"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it. If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."

However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy. I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying.

I could tell you to look in the mirror but what would be the point. Obama wants to raise taxes on companies. Companies that already pay the highest taxes in the world. That is why we have so many companies going to other countries now. Making their taxes higher will make more jobs leave the USA. Do you not see that? Raising taxes during an economic crisis will lead to a recession (if we aren't already in one) and into a depression. Let us look to the past when President Hoover raised taxes during a recession....I do believe something happened called The Great Depression. When FDR was in office he put forth several government programs called the new deal.....studies actually have proved that because of all of these government programs that he actually extended the duration of The Great Depression.

I'm not a hater. I don't wish Obama any ill will. This isn't a race thing. This is a common sense, reality check thing. I just do not think that his promise of change will do anything but bring a change for the worse. Obama brings nothing but false hope.

when it came to direct quotes and video footage of Bush. In other words, Bush has video out there that directly contradicts what he is saying now in his exit interviews. For example, he is saying now that if he had known that the intelligence about WMDs was incorrect he would not have gone into Iraq. Previously he had said that it didn't matter that there were no WMDs, he would have gone ahead and invaded Iraq anyway---which he did. Exactly how much more proof do you need?

Dems oppose UNJUST war, like going into Iraq or Israel's constant terror against Palestine. There's a huge difference. We are in the middle of 2 wars -- that Bush started. Did you really think that we would be able to clean his mess up with just a wave of a hand?

Pakistan has a government that has no control of its country, which means that militants are currently in charge of the attacks on the supply line that goes into Afganistan. Those are the targets. My guess is that the real Pakistan gov probably gave the coordinates to the US for these and many previous hits. However, they can't really claim that because their people would be all over them because of the anti-American sentiment in Pakistan. This is why you haven't heard a lot of arguement from the UN about these hits. This was the same thing that was going on when Bush was in office.

Obama has consistently said that he wants diplomacy first, but he has also said that he will not hesitate to use force when necessary. In this particular instance, the US is currently working out a deal with Russia for a different route for supplies to Afganistan, but in the meantime it is necessary to protect the existing route through Pakistan. Did you really think that Obama was just going to leave our people in Afganistan with no supply line? And if he had, what would you have said about that?

to what is said by the president as opposed to the Fixed Noise version. What Obama actually said:

".....we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

He is absolutely correct. The US is not a theocracy and is therefore not bound by or based on any relgion.

Katrina & Recovery

Woes at Embattled FEMA Spur Employee Exits

by Laura Sullivan

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The FEMA command center in Washington, D.C., Aug. 30, 2005, shortly after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. AFP/Getty Images

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Bill Carwile, in an October 2005 photo taken before he retired from FEMA. Days after Katrina struck the Gulf Coast, the head of hurricane response in Mississippi e-mailed FEMA headquarters: System appears broken. FEMA

All Things Considered, January 13, 2006 � FEMA is having trouble holding on to its best people. Several FEMA staffers have told NPR that people are leaving because the agency is in trouble and no one appears to be addressing the problems. These departures are raising concerns about FEMA's ability to respond to the next disaster.

Leo Bosner, a union chief and manager of the emergency operations desk at FEMA, says morale was bad Katrina, but it's only gotten worse. He notes there have been several retirement parties at the agency in recent weeks.

They're getting out not because they're tired and want to work in the garden but because they're just sickened by the agency's failure -- very public failure -- and just sickened to see nobody doing anything to lift a finger to fix the problems, Bosner says of the departing employees.

According to half a dozen other current or former FEMA managers who did not want their name used for fear of retribution, more than 50 people have left FEMA in the past four months. One official inside FEMA who has seen the agency's attrition data says 56 people have left in the past five weeks alone.

But FEMA says only 20 people have left. FEMA spokesman Nicole Andrews says the information Bosner and other employees shared with NPR is either incomplete or imprecise. She says there's an influx of applications to work for the agency, adding, To suggest that there is any sort of a trend related to Katrina and attrition would be absolutely false.

One recent retiree is Bill Carwile, a 10-year veteran of FEMA and former Army colonel who left in November. Carwile led FEMA's hurricane response in Mississippi.

Katrina struck New Orleans and the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. Three days into Katrina recovery operations in Hancock County, Miss., Carwile couldn't get any food, water or even body bags. System appears broken, he wrote in an e-mail to FEMA headquarters. Carwile says it was the worst moment of his FEMA career.

The exhaustion frustration he felt in Mississippi wasn't the only thing pushing him to retire. Carwile says he was upset watching FEMA's training programs get cut year after year, leaving his teams unprepared.

It was beautiful and summed all the things that are in my heart that worry me and that I was too clunk-headed to write so eloquently.

I hope some little bit of it penetrated the conservative psyches on the other board to maybe bring us all a little closer together in our caring and concern for what's happening in our world.