Perhaps he was afraid of being attacked for mixing politics and religion
Posted By: Everybody blasts him for everything else. on 2009-04-22
In Reply to: Religious symbols hidden for Obama - sm
I don't think it was anything to get uup in arms about - but of course people get up in arms about EVERYTHING this man does - even to having pizza in the White House.
People need to quit grasping at straws and focus on important issues!
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seems to have more to do with religion than politics nm
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Let's keep topic politics and keep religion out of it.
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Religion has no place in politics.
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Religion has no place in politics. It should go back
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I agree with you. Religion has no place in politics; what we
need is righteousness. We need righteous leaders. That's why Christians need to be on their faces seeking answers from the God they serve. 
Religion doesn't belong in politics, Church-lady.
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She made it seem as though religion is inappropriate on this board as related to politics (sm)
and that she was sick of hearing about religion. I am sick of hearing about racism.
politics and religion go hand in hand...
Whether or not we like it, many of our laws are governed by religion. Without some sort of religion, who is to say that murder is "wrong," thus making it a religious argument, not a political one (by your methodology) and, yet, we still have a law against it.
and steal another 700 billion! Be afraid, be very afraid. nm
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What Bible states no mixing of the races?
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your mixing people up to try and make a point but not doing it well
First you compare Obama to her, but then on an issue you compare Obama to McCain because you know you don't have anything bad to compare to Gov Palin with. Then when you talk about Obama you praise him and when you talk above Gov Palin you demean her. Where is the fairness in that?
First, nobody is taking anything away from Obama. He is intelligent, articulated, has a beautiful family, has done quite well for himself both career and family wise.
Nobody is saying he is exotic and comparing it to her saying she is a quantessential American Story. People are very impressed with Obama's life history. Hawaii is a very exotic sounding state (I've never heard him described as exotic). Ahh Hawaii, beautiful oceans, white sandy beaches - everyone's dream vacation. You make it sound like people are tearing him down because he was born in Hawaii. Alaska is quite different. You have to admit that hunting moose is not your everyday experience but nowhere in any news source or anywhere have I heard people compare where they grew up in to put one down and bring the other up.
Nobody has said that because his name is Barack he's a radical unpatriotic Muslim. He's a Muslim turned Christian period, but not because of his name, and nobody has said she's a Maverick because of what she named her kids.
Nobody has said he is unstable because he graduated Harvard. On the contrary. People have said he is one of the most intelligent persons to have graduated and become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. That's not an accomplishment many people can say they have and that is what I am hearing everywhere. And who cares how many colleges she went to (this is your first demeaning statement of her by saying they were "small" colleges instead of just saying "5 colleges"). My DH has attended about 7 colleges all because of where he was living at the time and he is far from "well grounded" and I have never heard people say that about her.
Second part of belittling her and raising him up is by saying he is a "brilliant" community organizer. Brilliant may be your view of him, but I would just say he was a community organizer. No need to say he is brilliant and all other words of praise while belittling her. Yes, she was on TV but she was not a "local weather girl" (another cheap shot at trying to put her down). She was a TV News anchor and covered sports. And your description of her time served as councilwoman, mayor, and governor is a little more than insulting. It goes to verify that you just hate her and what she has accomplished. You need to research all the good things she has done and whether you like it or not, she has done a lot of good things for the people and made their lives better. And to try attack the population of Alaska as though it's some kind of negative for her, and make her sound any less by saying they were small towns and state. Governer is governer. Responsibilites are the same wether your a governor of Alaska, Hawaii, California or any other state (give or take a few of the state programs). BTW Alaska is more than twice the size of Texas. And funny how Dean was the frontrunner for the dems when the population of Vermont is smaller than Alaska (yes, I'm sure you all don't want to remember that little tid bit).
Gov. Sarah Palin was on the city council for 2 years, Chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Committee for 1 year, was mayor of Wasilla for 6 years. She defeated a 3-term mayor. She created positions and even reduced her salary. She cut property taxes by 75% and eliminated personal property and business inventory taxes. She made improvements to the roads and sewers and increased funding to the police department. She also procured funding for storm-water treatment to protect freshwater resources. She ran a second term and won by 74%. She's promoted oil and natural gas resource development. She sold a jet, got rid of a personal chef and drives herself to work from her home (50 miles) even though she is allowed a per diem and hotel. She got rid of the bridge to nowhere and she signed into law the AGIA. So your portrayal of what Gov. Palin has done is quite inaccurate while boosting up Obama. Gov. Palin's past qualifications will most definitely contribute and help her to be a good VP.
Obama was a state legislature from 1997-2004, in the US Senate in 2004, and became a junior senator in 2005. You can't even seriously compare the two.
Yes Obama has been married to Michelle for 19 years and their two daughters are beautiful. Sarah has been married to Todd for 20 years and they have five beautiful children. (your comparing Barack to Sarah in all your answers - so why did you jump to John McCain on this one?)
Whatever kind of safe sex education you want to give pre-schoolers (who should be
more concerned with learning how to read and write is just wrong). Gov. Palin did not advocate teaching only abstinence. And she had nothing to do with her daughter getting pregnant. The best of children come up pregnant both in democratic and republican party.
Funny how you were all for Bill Clinton getting ready to be called "First Dude", but now you have a problem with Todd Palin being called "First Dude", and don't even try to justify that one with Bill Clintons background. Are you saying the the VP's spouse is suppose to have a college education? How egotistical of you. Especially since he is a commercial fisherman, for 18 years worked in the oil fields, member of the United Steelworkers, among other things. That's a pretty stable background.
Kudo's to Michelle for graduating from Harvard, but not everyone wants to go to college to be a lawyer (and in my opinion we need less lawyers in DC, not more), but to take away from Todd Palin because he doesn't have a college degree????
And to mention such an insignificant note that he didn't vote until 25? Who cares? And I'm not sure that is even true, but just plain trivial.
This post is just another liberal post trying to trash and demean decent people, not giving credit where credit due, while propping up your candidate, with inflated statements.
Ok, much clearer now to you?
That's what I thought. I stop watching that show because of his mixing HIS
political beliefs and opinions with the Bible. He is definitely over the line and uses religion to draw people in to his own political opinions.
you're mixing apples and beans, drug addiction
alcoholism and drug addition is nothing like religious fanaticism and/or religious extremism.....and/or genocide in Darfur and/or Kenya
he went to see Odinga not a month ago to try and broker peace there......and after he left Kenya, the genocide continued and continues thru now....
sand....head....ostrich.......
Be afraid.........be veerrrry afraid. n/m LOL
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She was in state politics at the time, not national politics......
how much foreign policy experience did Bill have when he went to the presidency having only been a governor? The same as Sarah Palin. Because he was concentrating on his job...the state of Arkansas (and Paula Jones and what was that stripper's name?). Sarah Palin was concentrating on the state of Alaska.
Good grief. lol. Why don't you poll all the governors in all the states in the union and ask them how much they think about foreign policy?
LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.
You don't want EQUALITY in religion. You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others. You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American. You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.
You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court. And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.
Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.
There already ARE religous schools and universities. Isn't THAT enough for you?
And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE? I believe they're called CHURCHES. Isn't THAT enough for you, either?
Nope. You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*
The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!
Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
You attacked me
don't put on the who me? me innocent face either. You always attack and are at the very least condescending. You wished me dead when you asked me to drink N.O. water....don't play all innocent, because it's there for all to see.
You were never attacked
you are the attacker gt. You have no spine. You are a sick individual.
Yes, I have attacked you.
The mean comments I made were how I genuinely felt, though. I sincerely feel there are mental issues that play into some of the postings I see. And I did feel as though someone had ------ on me at one point. That is how it felt, honestly. And I won't go into it beyond that.
That said, just because I felt desecrated and that there were mental issues affecting some people's judgment doesn't mean I had to make fun or allude to these conclusions. That was in poor taste.
We will most likely be attacked again...
it is just a matter of time. Someone will have to test the new administration to see what they will do. I predict they will fold and implode. Not looking forward to it but the people have spoken. All we can do is sit back and watch and wait.
Because we have not been attacked since!
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Before I get attacked...
it is called Special Order 40.
No, we would have been attacked just the same.
However, as we all would have been in a coma from listing to Algore's speeches, we just would not have known it. Mass anesthesia.
They attacked him
because he said Barbara came up to him when he in fact went up to her. OMG! Down with Beck. He should be hung at high noon.
Seriously....aren't there more important issues than this crap?
As for his answer when they asked him if he checked his facts out and he said no, he was answering the question of whether he was a journalist and he said no he wasn't....he is a commentator. All those women talk at once and he was still answering one question when Barbara asked him another.
That show is so pointless to watch. It has like one conservative person on the whole thing and the rest of liberal loons who attack all who lean conservative. I really don't know how Elisabeth Hasselbeck...or whatever her name is.....stands to be on that show.
You were not being attacked, you ideas are
You don't debate, you scream and holler and fling insults and names.
She most absolutely was not attacked.
And notice that while I never once denigrated you, nor questioned your abilities, your post to me was one long rant. I think that speaks for itself. Have a nice evening yourself.
Evacuees attacked
I thought Rush might have learned something from his own bad judgments but I guess I was wrong. I actually felt sorry for him for awhile...I would not wish his situation on anyone. But it seems he is back to his Homeless Olympics-type comments - always blame whoever is on the other side of the fence. Now I know where all this rhetoric is coming from...straight from the mouths of the radio right reich.
Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’
The Bush administration’s evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed “two days after the first Europeans left on ships.” Denmark, for example, “evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens” by Thursday.
Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:
Rush Limbaugh, 7/19:
Even in the eyes of our ingrate, spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate citizens in Beirut, it’s our fault. (Crying.) “It’s a war zone. It’s a war! How do I get out? (crying) We’re having to shield ourselves from the sun in cardboard.” (sobbing) That’s embarrassing.
Fox anchor Neil Cavuto, 7/20:
The media is playing up a lot of whining, complaining Americans in this country who said there’s been no warning, no communication.
TownHall.com columnist Mike Gallagher, 7/21:
Amazingly, we’re not even going to charge these ungrateful evacuees for the free trip home. … Their sense of outrage and entitlement is slowly but surely becoming the American way. And it’s positively disgusting.
Fox anchor Steve Doocy, 7/19:
Shockingly, after they’ve been plucked out of Beirut, a lot of them are whining and complaining that, you know what, I had to sleep on the concrete and they didn’t have any food for me to eat.
Watch Fox & Friends (a Fox correspondent in Cyprus disputes Doocy’s account, describing the evacuation conditions as “really chaotic”):
At least we haven't been attacked
again on our soil....if tricky Billy Clinton did HIS job while in office, Bin Laden would have been taken care of and 9/11 would have never happened. Happy anniversary to you. Bush is far from perfect but we have been safe at home.
Fringe or not, he'll get attacked for it...
He is pro-life and doesn't condone prostitution, but he'll take contribution money from them? Huh....seems that he is doing now exactly what he said he wouldn't which was taking contributions from special interest groups.
And he aligned himself with Tucker.
I believe he just put the noose around his own neck. :o)
Sam does discuss issues and gets attacked for it.
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Hey, it is the dems who attacked her from day one, old-timer...
certainly not republicans or independents, and the continue it on this board to this day. If you want the conversation to shift to Obama, leave Palin alone. Just as you guys will defend him, those of us who believe she is a great addition to the ticket will defend her. The Dems have kept her in the news since she was announced, and I am sure she would rather she had not been attacked in such a hateful and personal matter that had nothing to do with the position...but it happened. They hammered her experience, which in turn shined the spotlight on Obama's lack of experience, and hammered on that, even when he asked his minions to stop. They didn't stop. Then they hammered for her to do an interview. She did, and McCain's numbers continue to do well and he has started drawing very close to Obama in many of the swing states. I don't blame Obama for wanting the spotlight off of her. Don't blame him one bit.
Attacked campaign worker
She says she was kicked, beaten, punched and then thrown to the ground. The attacker could have been over her, upside down, when he did the carving.... just a thought to those who doubt the "backwards B."
You just attacked all of the McCain people
in your post, so yes you are a hypocrite. You expect nobody to respond to that? You could have just e-mailed her with that personal post.
my guess is we wouldn't have been attacked at all NM
speculation as is your guess.
Better hope we aren't attacked....this man is a sellout
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I didn't see where Shelly has attacked people unless
they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English.
This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted for the pubs. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. All it causes is hate.
P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot.
Palin was unfairly personally attacked by the really
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N. Korea Threatens to Hurt US if Attacked
This guy is really nuts! Just because he has 1M foot soldiers, he thinks he can do what he wants.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528057,00.html
Truth hurts, don't it? Hey, whenever attacked, call someone a liar.
Sez a lot about you.
Murtha Attacked by the Right for Quote Falsely Attributed to Him.
Imagine that. I'm shocked. 
Murtha Attacked by the Right For Quote Falsely Attributed to Him
UPDATE: Multiple ThinkProgress readers report that Gail Bulfin of the Sun-Sentinel admits the paper’s report was inaccurate and says a correction will be printed tomorrow.
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported on Sunday that Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) had claimed that the United States is the greatest threat to peace in the world:
American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to a crowd of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.
Though the Sun-Sentinel never provided a direct quote of Murtha, the story was featured on the Drudge Report and Murtha immediately came under attack from conservative pundits:
Bill O’Reilly, Fox News, 6/26:
Murtha has lost all perspective and did months ago, but his message is firmly entrenched in America’s far-left precincts. … [T]hat kind of extreme thinking, based on little evidence, by the way, is putting all Americans in danger.
Tucker Carlson, MSNBC, 6/26:
What is really going on here, and you know it as well as I, is that Jack Murtha has been intoxicated by the amount of publicity that he has gotten from his anti-war crusade, and he has become progressively more unreasonable, progressively more left-wing as the days go on, and he is in the thrall of people who, I think, have hostility towards the United States.
Newt Gingrich, Fox News, 6/26:
For an American congressman to say that is beyond any acceptable behavior, and I would hope the Congress would move to censure him.
One problem: Murtha apparently never said anything of the sort. What he did was cite a Pew poll released two weeks ago showing that people around the world, including in closely-allied countries like Great Britain, believe the U.S. is the greatest threat to peace.
A statement released by Murtha’s office today quotes an email from Melissa Sanchez of the Miami Herald, who also attended the speech, saying of the purported Murtha “quote”: “That was in reference to international polls. It was not so much his own conjecture, but a conclusion drawn from polls in various countries.” ThinkProgress confirmed with Murtha’s office that the email accurately reflects the views of reporters at the Miami Herald.
Email the Sun-Sentinel’s reader liason Gail Bulfin — gbulfin@sun-sentinel.com — and ask that the paper print a retraction. See update above.
Oh, I am afraid I do. And please tell me sm
how you know that I am a Christian? You are ignorant beyond belief. The Israelis are furious about the Gaza pull out and rightly so. Hamas has already said it is only the beginning and Jerusalem will be next. Do you read anything at all? This is news right out of Jerusalem. You are going on what you have been spoon-fed by the media. That's too bad. And by the way, politics has nothing to do what alignment with the Jews and their plight against Hamas. You should have figured that out by now.
FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAU
Palestinian Authority
greenlights terror ops
'Resistance' against Israel discussed in meeting with Hamas, Jihad
Posted: August 25, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
TEL AVIV – Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei and members of various Palestinian terror groups this week decided at a meeting "resistance" against Israel would continue and would be coordinated at the national level until the Jewish state evacuates "all territories," WND has learned.
Earlier this week, it was reported Qurei held a private conference in Damascus with leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. According to media reports, the parties reached an agreement under which the PA would not attempt to disarm the terror groups in spite of recent U.S. and Israeli calls for the groups to be dismantled after the Gaza evacuation.
But security sources close to the meeting told WND agreements reached at the conference went one step further – it was concluded the Palestinians would continue to use "resistance" against Israel until the Jewish state leaves "all occupied territories" – code for the destruction of Israel. The resistance, the sources said, is to be coordinated between the Palestinian groups and based on the foundations of Palestinian unity.
Qurei also allegedly discussed other ways of cooperating with the terror groups after Israel's Gaza evacuation is completed, and stressed that the focus of the Palestinian struggle must be turned to the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem
Said a security source, "Just the fact alone that the PA won't disarm the terrorists is already a green light to go ahead with attacks. But there is information the idea of future attacks were discussed and encouraged."
The revelations are significant. Since Mahmoud Abbas assumed control of the Palestinian government following the death last year of PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat, the P.A. has been careful not to publicly endorse terrorism.
Islamic Jihad Chairman Ramadan Shalah yesterday echoed the alleged conclusions of the Qurei meeting in an interview he gave in Arabic to Al-Jazeera.
"We reached an agreement regarding a common strategy based on the premise that the resistance was a strategic option which should not be interfered with and which had to continue on a foundation of Palestinian national unity," Shalah said.
Shalah stressed the PA had agreed not to disarm his group "as long as Palestinian land was occupied."
At a press conference held after the meeting, Musa Abu Marzuq, a member of Hamas' political office, stated, "The real battle with Israel was on the West Bank. ... We hope there will be no disagreement with the Palestinian Authority regarding the weapon of resistance, because as long as the occupation exists the weapon must exist."
The same day Hamas, Islamic Jihad and local terror groups including the Democratic Front and the Jerusalem Battalions held competing parades in which each claimed their violence drove Israel out of the Gaza Strip.
Several thousand Palestinians attended a Hamas rally in Gaza and a separate victory procession in Nablus in which Hamas flags and models of the Temple Mount were waved, and mock tanks, rockets and even houses of Jewish settlers were displayed.
Hundreds reportedly attended a rally in Khan Yunis led by the Democratic Front, and about one thousand Palestinians marched in a Jerusalem Battalions victory procession in Rafah.
Afterward, the Battalions held a press conference in which a spokesman stressed his group's determination to "do whatever it took" to liberate the "rest of our land," including kidnapping Israelis and committing "resistance attacks."
I'm afraid you won't get your wish
Conservatives will continue to defend the most defenseless including but not limited to unborn babies.
No, I am afraid I don't.
And they are afraid of a man who...
might make their lives a little easier! Obama wants to stop giving tax breaks to companies who offshore and the majority of the MTs on this board are going to vote against him. Vote against Obama and you vote against yourselves too. Obama is against offshoring. He wants to keep it in America. Yet, all you anti-Obama's call him un-American. Obviously we all have more time to sit on this board and talk politics than work. That is because we have less and less work. Where do you think our work is going? We are a dying breed. Wake-up and smell the coffee!
to be afraid of...?
C'est LA vie.
Would you say that McCain is charismatic?
Definitely not.
He is just the Republican candidate.
Kerry had the same problem, he was too rigid.
Be afraid. Be very afraid! nm
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I guess they're afraid of
kids being influenced and maybe going out and doing random acts of kindness.....
Nope, afraid we can't
as long as libs wan't to dig up dirt we'll continue throwing the mud you throw from your huge pig stye right back at ya...
Why are you so afraid of the truth? You should take...
this show on the road. They would love you in Berkeley.
Not afraid of change...
It's not the change that scares me, but the fact that my money will be going to pay for someone else to have something I can barely afford for my own family. Already too much of it goes for that - think foreigners that get Medicaid to pay for all of their doctor visits. And yes, lots of legitimate claims are being denied, but do you think that's going to change when the government has thier hands in it? That's what's really scary. I don't even trust the government with the money they already get from me - what's going to happen when they get more, and more power to boot? The insurance industry needs a complete overhaul, that I agree with, but as far as letting politicians take over? I'm thinking that's not really the best plan.
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