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Ummm...not exactly. It's 2005 not 1981

Posted By: You're 24 years off and on 2009-06-21
In Reply to: Heads up on PA taxes - Backwards typist

these people had to purchase at least 100 cartons during this time frame. 




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Obama visited Pakistan in 1981...

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EBAB74DA8F94C559!5351.entry


1981 - Obama Visits Pakistan When All Non-Muslim Vistors Unwelcome - Bin Laden There, Too



The following asks a lot of good questions about Obama's supposedly "innocent" visit to Pakistan in 1981. One thing not asked is whether we know exactly how long he was there? Campaign mangers are known to lie a lot, especially when a troublesome issue arises. And where is our major media on this? Quiet!!!!!!

 

At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Ca., Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., claimed he had more world experience than his rivals, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and introduced a new bit of biographical information.

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries' -- I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then -- you go."

"You do that in eighty countries," Obama said, "You don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee." (But later he says the USA has 58 states and he's been to 57 of them, not counting Hawaii and Alaska. I guess he knows Muslims better than Americans, he certainly is not picking 58 out of the air, what about 58 relates to Muslims?)

This last part -- a college trip to Pakistan -- was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn't hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.

So I asked the Obama campaign for more information.

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

NOW, It all sounds very innocent, "a college trip to Pakistan".




Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.

The would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".

For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.


Ummm....ummm....nope, I'd best not touch that one. nm
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What happened in 2005............sm
when Israel pulled out of Gaza? They left behind 1000 settler greenhouses to spare the jobs of the Palestinians who worked in them and how did the Palenstinians show their gratitude? By trashing the greenhouses and stealing hoses, plastic sheeting and anything else that wasn't nailed down. They then proceeded to torch 19 synagouges and then began lobing bombs into Israeli cities. Nice....real nice.

Obama is doing what basically the rest of the world is doing and that is walking on eggshells and brown-nosing to keep from upsetting the Islamic faction and he is selling Israel up the river to do it by forcing them to live in 2-state situation with some very rotten neighbors.

Israel is an ally to every nation fighting the war on Islamic terror. Those same allied nations are advancing a policy of granting statehood to terrorists sworn to the destruction of that ally.

This is exactly the scenario outlined by the Hebrew prophets as signs of the soon coming of Israel's Messiah.

The prophet Zechariah predicted the whole world would be united against Israel over the Jerusalem Question (Zechariah 12:1-3); the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:27) predicted an agreement that seemingly settles the Temple Mount Question; and the prophet Ezekiel predicts that, in the end, Israel will still face a massive Islamic invasion reluctantly overseen by Russia and led by Persia (Iran) (Ezekiel 38:5).

Think about this for a second. Since it is absolutely illogical, and yet it is also exactly the situation we find ourselves witnessing, do you really believe it was all just a really good guess?

Oops! That was 2005, not last year.
But all common-law marriages before that date are grandfathered and still stand.
Back in summer of 2005. Saw it
The big housing market Bubble was going to pop. And? It sure as heck did.
This happened in 2005. He was a visiting speaker...
to the church and Palin attended that service. She has not been a member of that church since 2002 and that man has never been her pastor. He did lay hands on and pray for her; nothing wrong with that. This is what she said about it:

In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”

Where is bad judgment in that? Christians often pray with each other about decisions or just to help each other, period. We are granted that right by the constitution...the free exercise of which is not to be prohibited. Are you saying it is bad judgment to exercise your constitutional rights inside a church? What about that video was so disturbing to you? You are okay with Obama's connection to Jeremiah Wright and you know what he preached. Doesn't that also go to judgment?
See inside for link....McCain saw this coming in 2005...
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-88137

THIS is the guy I want in the White House during these bad financial times. Obviously he knows enough about the economy and outfits like this to see problems coming.
McCain saw Fannie/Freddie coming in 2005...
and sponsored legislation which the Democrats blocked.

John McCain did anticpate the problems with GSEs and see them as a systemic financial problem. He even sponsored legislation to deal with it, and this is what he said:

"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole."

McCain deserves credit for being on the right side of this. Meanwhile, Obama in just four years in the Senate raked more contributions from Fannie and Freddie than any other Senator in the last 19 years — save Chris Dodd, who's pretty demonstrably in the pocket of Big Mortgage.

Ummm...yes you did....
You said take it to the conservative board. And I do not see what in the post was bashing. It was stating an opinion, which anyone, no matter what their political affiliation is, still has the right to do on this board or any other to my knowledge. If you perceive the truth as bashing, that is your prerogative. And the truth IS, liberals continue to defend Clinton even though he was and is a morally corrupt individual who broke the law of the United States while a sitting President. He did it, that is the truth, there is no way around that. Yet your party continues to say it was about sex. I will try this one more time...perjury is perjury no matter what it is ABOUT. It is a felony. He broke the law and his oath of office. Never apologized for either. And took his last hours in office an opportunity to pardon all the crony crooks he could. And yet you continue to defend him as a great man. Pardon me if that seriously undermines the credibility of your party. That is NOT bashing. That is the TRUTH.
ummm
The way I read that is these units would be activated in case of natural or manmade diaster, not out on the streets everyday. Good greif.
Ummm, so maybe they can
Then the guilty can be punished, and the innocent prisoners who are not terrorists (or at least weren't when they were initially locked up) can be set free.

Kinda a no brainer, dontcha think?
Ummm....
source of the info and the fact that you "don't know anybody who would think it's right" yada yada yada, chances are you and the author are jumping to conclusions that are most likely a tad over-stated. It might be helpful to keep in mind that the "government" is not some block of concrete buildings or master computer somewhere. They are flesh and blood just like the rest of us and are not likely to be party to placing "control" of the heath care of themselves, their parents and their own children in the thoes of such a scheme. Sorry. Jury's still out on this.
Ummm....
source of the info and the fact that you "don't know anybody who would think it's right" yada yada yada, chances are you and the author are jumping to conclusions that are most likely a tad over-stated. It might be helpful to keep in mind that the "government" is not some block of concrete buildings or master computer somewhere. They are flesh and blood just like the rest of us and are not likely to be party to placing "control" of the heath care of themselves, their parents and their own children in the thoes of such a scheme. Sorry. Jury's still out on this.
Ummm...no....
Get over yourself. If you have something intelligent to say, I'm all ears, but until that time.....
Ummm....(sm)

So you don't think waterboarding is illegal -- even though it goes directly against at least 4 existing treaties?  If we aren't going to be held accountable by treaties that WE agree to, what's the point of being in them?


This is actually where I do disagree with Obama.  He doesn't want to make this into a partisan thing and is seemingly not too interested in prosecutions.  My opinion is that its not partisan to enforce existing laws.  As far as I'm concerned the whole bunch from the Shrub gang need to be prosecuted.  Maybe we can just extradite them to Spain.  That would work for me.


Ummm....(sm)
Doesn't this belong on the gab board?  What's wrong....don't want to talk about your heros, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld going down for torture? 
Ummm....(sm)
I think I would go with conventional interrogation techniques...you know....the ones that actually worked on KSM before the waterboarding.
Ummm....(sm)

"what right does the government have to take MY money and give to an organization like ACORN to pass out to democratic candidates for their campaigns"


Well, that was straight out of O'Reilly's mouth.  LOL.  In fact, I'm pretty sure that's just about exactly what he said last night. 


So you think that there is a direct funnel that takes our tax dollars and just hands them over to Acorn?  Here's a news flash --- as the ladies noted last night on Billo's show, they are a nonprofit organization and have to apply and compete for grants and loans just like everyone else.


As for whether they are completely on the up and up, I have no idea, but I don't think I'll base that judgment on the commentary of a right-wing show host.


Ummm....(sm)

Exactly how is it that Fox's ratings prove that O'Reilly is not far right?  LOL.. Ratings have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.


However, since you mentioned Obama and fulfilling his promises, it may not turn out like you think.  For the most part people who voted for him are pretty happy with how he's handling the economy and foreign affairs.  However, there are a few things that have gotten to a lot of dems.  For example, he hasn't gotten rid of "don't ask don't tell" yet.  He hasn't fulfilled promises he made to the LGBT community.  He's carrying on seemingly with "indefinite detention."  He ran on a platform that promised these things would be fixed.  Granted, he hasn't been there long and can still come around on these things.  However, if he doesn't my guess is that the country will go even farther to the left than they did this time.  Now that is what you should be worried about, not Fox ratings.


And just as a side note, if he gets healthcare reform through, it will be decades before a pub sets foot in the White House.


ummm.
Now who's making assumptions? You don't know what he paid for either. Secondly, I am fully aware of what is going on in this country. Spending, printing money, spending, printing money, etc., etc. Get over Bush He is gone. Obama has in four shorts months spent more money than the 43 presidents who preceded him COMBINED. So yeah, I worry about the cost of his date. Because it's just plain wrong. You want logic - you don't spend taxpayer money on a DATE in this failing economy. Logic would be to lead by example, not telling other people to sacrifice and then do something so excessive. Furthermore, who said I voted for Bush? You? Shows what you know. Next time don't vote in Obama and maybe free enterprise in this country will survive so we will all have jobs.
Ummm....(sm)
Obama has writtent 2 books ---- the first, "Dreams From My Father," was published in 1995.  The second, "The Audacity of Hope," was published in 2006.  --- Both before the election.
Ummm....actually it does...(sm)

The Declaration of Independence is not and was not a legal document.  It simply stated the intent of the US to separate from Great Britian and why.  It did not define any rules or regulations to be imposed in this nation.


Explain the Treaty of Tripoli that says "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."


Another note:  Not everyone in this country is in the business of impressing your god and therefore has no need of any kind of "blessing" from your god.  What if I were a pagan and told you that the sun god was going to scorch the US unless everyone prayed to him/her.  Would you do it?  That's what you expect everyone else to do to impress your god.  Why?  Because YOU don't want to be in the mix when your supposed wrath of god experience comes.  I would put that in the category of trying to make others do something they don't agree with just to save your behind.  Don't even bother with the "but we want to save you too" speech.  Believe me, we don't want or need saving.


Ummm...no....(sm)

Your main point was what you initially stated, and that was that there was no mention in the MSM about this incident.  Unfortunately for you, I can undoubtedly come up with even more proof of MSM coverage if you'd like, but that would only serve to embarass you further. 


As far as Obama not saying much about it, I think that was a good choice.  At the time he was only a couple days out from his speech in Cairo. --- That would be the speech where he is seeking to calm tensions between our religous nuts and their religious nuts.  Yeah....that would have been just a perfect time to bring that up.  How about using your brain for a change instead of just spitting out the right wing talking points.


Ummm....(sm)

I do believe I've more than proven I can take the heat on this board....LOL, even from the loons like you who just lurk around waiting for me to post something so you can jump on it, which is rather funny and pathetic all at the same time, as well as from the paranoid lunatics like Patty. 


BTW, you can now take "paranoid lunatic" out of the insinuation box and put in the statement box......just so you don't get confused.


 


Ummm....(sm)

A gag order was issued: 


http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2009/jun/08/gag-order-issed-shooting-case/


The whole point of the gag order (which the prosecutors asked for, btw) is so they can come up with a jury that has not been overexposed to the case.  I guess Fixed Noise wants to ensure that everyone hears about this so we can have a really hard time prosecuting this guy.  Way to go Fox!  


Ummm....no. The link says sm
it contains a malformed video id.  That's what it says when you paste it into the address bar and it takes you to You Tube. 
Ummm...Which America would that be?
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Ummm....they do, actually, just as they take issue with
and ran with it.
Ummm....for starters
managed to assemble more than a dozen transitional economic advisors in 3 days, and I am certain he will not confine himself to those guys before it's all over. He has a 15 cabinet positions, 6 cabinet-level administrations positions and 3 Level 1 Executive Schedule offices to consider.

He's not been sworn into office, so there is not a whole lot he can do directly except to articulate his intent. No time for ego for a man who is preparing to face one of the greatest challenges as president in the history of our country. BTW, the Office of the President Elect has been around since 1963...not O's idea.
Ummm, think we should be concering ourselves
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Ummm...you surely know!!
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...jealous?...ummm....
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Ummm, this may come as a surprise to you
There are between 1.3 and 1.6 BILLION Moslems in the world. Estimates of how many live in the US are widely disputed, but range between 2 and 7 million. Among them, only a very small percentage of them are extremist. That leaves about a BILLION of them, give or take, for Obama to "win over." Got it?
Ummm....it goes with the territory...
It is their responsibility to entertain ambassadors, foreign heads of state, etc., etc. Use you freaking brain box. At least they didn't REDECORATE.
Ummm....I have a question...(sm)
Exactly what is it that Obama is doing that causes fear?
Ummm..Martha my dear
Woo..Hoo..is this gonna be a **Martha Stewart moment**?
Ummm....let's see....Howard Wolfson....
Lannie Davis, Bob Beckel, Susan Estrich, Greta Van Susteren, Geraldo Rivera...all of those are Democrats and all of those are liberals. Greta was at CNN before Fox. There are many others, I can't remember all their names. Fox has had the highest ratings during the democratic convention and they have covered the whole thing...so much for never reporting on issues important to Democrats. They covered Obama and McCain equally during the campaign season, and while I realize that to please this poster a network would have to be all Obama all the time, THAT is the definition of bias. And decidedly UNDEMOCRATic.

Fox has the highest news ratings in the country by a pretty hefty margin, so I am thinking that while "many" Democrats "despise" Fox News, many others don't mind seeing both sides of an issue. Imagine that!
Ummm...my analogy refers to
I have looked beyond the pretty face. Problem is, I don't see a whole lot there, unless she is trying for her old position as PTA chairman. The depth of your analysis, as you insist on trying to deflect this away from the issue of her paper-thin resume and toward some sort of cat fight over "looks" demonstrates exactly what kind of follower she will attract. Do you think that slam about envy and being unattractive has any bearing on anything of substance? Trust me. These are not some isolated ramblings from an envious, malcontent, ugly, what's-her-name/Cindy McCain wannabe. You and she will have to be answering some really tough challenges from all those groups named in the previous post. Guess you missed that as your post disintegrated into name-calling that has absolutely nothing to do with the very serious issues at hand. In terms of her preparedness to lead this nation, she strikes me and many, many others as being a Bobo. My little post….just the tip of the iceberg. You'd better find some bigger guns than lipstick and nail files.
Ummm. Fox is changing its tone and now
"a problem with semantics," trying to slither out from under its legendary erroneous biased reporting.
Ummm... are you reading the same board

Ummm...if you are truly gaining comfort from an
may I suggest you to get some professional help...pronto.
Ummm...I think gays care. lol. That...
being said..."it doesn't affect my paycheck.." is that your barometer for whether something matters to you? Just wondering.

And secondly...threw it on the ballot to manipulate voters? Manipulate them how? You don't have to vote for...or against...on everything on the ballot.
Ummm....I am a concerned citizen. What he does now...
affects we the people directly. He HAS the job. Someone has to scrutinize him...his faithful certainly aren't going to. This choice just shows he intends to continue his Chicago connections. All that denial...little white lies? Now that he has the job...he doesn't care. So far not feeling really trustful toward the O.
Ummm, let's see here. You mention Obama
in the first and third person 9 times in a 12-line post and the word "timing" is completely absent. What in the world was JTBB thinking?

Your expansion on the OP is not terribly coherent either. If Israel were neutered by a sudden absence of funding, it certainly would affect the future of our nation, but not in the ways you would like to suggest. Israel would be standing ALL ALONE and would not be able to support this ungodly occupation for even 5 more minutes. The US would almost instantly regain some sort of respect and standing and all sorts of diplomatic channels would open up. A more intelligent, thoughtful and productive dialog would ensue and communication would normalize between the US, it allies AND its foes. Mutually beneficial solutions would be sought, a shameful past buried and a much brighter future would emerge.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong to suggest that the Palestinians are not entitled to be freed from the prisons of occupation and live in dignity on the land they have populated over the past 14 milleniums. If Israel ALWAYS prevails, please tell me why they are armed to the teeth, live in fear and cannot accomplish the tiniest hint of national security? Last time I looked, no matter what Israel tries to do, the Palestinians are STILL in Palestine. They are the ones who are not going anywhere.
Ummm, declaring war on the media
to try to gain sympathy and political traction is not the most inspired strategy if she ever wants to run for office in the lower 48. It will not serve her or her fringe fan club well.

If she can't figure out how to navigate the media, she's not ready for prime time in the halls of Congress and certainly should never go near the White House. She needs to take a big girl pill and get over herself. As for her supporters, whining will not win elections any more than media wars. Grow up for heaven's sake.
Ummm....yeah, it would be so terrible..(sm)

If we just "let it go" then we have said it is okay to torture and to break the law.  We are supposed to be a nation of laws.  Those laws apply to everyone, even the former administration.


You guys constantly try to justify the war in Iraq by saying that Saadam was a tyrant (which he was) and that he was committing inhumane acts on his people.  We also ridiculed the Taliban for its treatment of women.


How much credibility do we really have to judge anyone else if we don't hold ourselves accountable for our OWN laws?


I hope the whole Bush bunch that came up with and ordered torture go to trial and are given the most severe sentence possible.  Maybe that way when other countries look at us they can see that we mean what we say instead of having a double standard for ourselves. 


Ummm, this doesn't come back to ()

You were asked a question.  It requires an answer.  Instead, you attack the questioner.


Typical.


 


Ummm, excuse me but "childish" and
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Ummm....people whose life centers around...
martyrdom for Islam...any other regime, I might agree with you. It only takes one man to start that in motion, and in case you have not noticed, radical Islam does not care how many of its own it sacrifices for the cause. These are not rational people.
Ummm....what about that whole Iran-Contra Scandal...LOL (nm)
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Ummm....Oldtimer has posted several times
You and I are on the same page when it comes to rude and inflammatory posts. I will be responding to them whenever the spirit moves me. You should do the same...or not. Whatever. BTW, I for one could give a rat's bottom about maintaining a "reputation" on a forum where many, many people make a choice to remain anonymous. It's just one of those things in life you have to learn to deal with. If name-calling and throwing tantrums gives you some sense of releif, go for it, but do not expect the target to go stand in the corner and hide out until you are done.