Well, this post has brought the credibility, class and dignity of this board to ZERO! NM
Posted By: Brother! on 2005-07-10
In Reply to: More than endless, Viet Nam X 100 - Skeet
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Ok, you brought back credibility to yourself LOL
I'm glad you laughed about my remark. I was waiting to get blasted. :-)
I read the link you provided. Good article. DH reads AOL. I won't read Fox or MSBNC or the others that have an agenda. I think she's a very smart woman and at least she understands the economics we are facing.
I do care about what she says and does in her state. I do hope we see more of her and am sure she has learned a lot because of the campaign. DH & I were saying that when she was running that if McCaina and she lost we would think about moving to Alaska to have her as our governor. However, winter is settling in up there and it's just a bit too cold for us (we would absolutely freeze).
Thanks again for the link - you restored my confidence in you. HA HA
Who's to judge credibility? Certainly not you or I on a chat board.
Just seems like a lot of negativism about nothing really. But whatever. Not worth worrying about. In 100 years, who will care. You waste way too much energy on here. Get a real hobby. It will improve your outlook!
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
I am so glad you brought this post to my attention!
It was beautiful and summed all the things that are in my heart that worry me and that I was too clunk-headed to write so eloquently.
I hope some little bit of it penetrated the conservative psyches on the other board to maybe bring us all a little closer together in our caring and concern for what's happening in our world.
Please don't bring this up again - brought up a lot of unhappy posters about this post
This was one topic that I took such a big offense to. I'm not voting for Obama, so you would think that I would be happy to "chime in", but when ever you start bringing the similarities in names between a known horrible horrible terrorist that committed horrendous crimes against the american people and start linking the name to an american running for president it sure stirs up a hornets nest. I know you are not comparing the two people together (OBL and Barack & Joe) but when you (or others) try to say oh what a coincidence, the first thing that comes to my mind is that deep down you are saying - hey everone Barack Obama and Joe Biden's name are so similar to Osama Bin Laden there must be a connection.
I was deeply offended the last time this was posted and still am. Would it be okay if this topic didn't come up again? Thanks.
Go ahead Ann whine with dignity...sm
In 2000, Gore won the popular vote HANDS DOWN!
It all came down to Florida where Bush took the state with a mere 500 votes more than Gore. Had the disqualified ballots were counted Gore would have took Florida. This did not stop conservatives from ranting and raving about their percieved *epic* victory. Matter of fact, conservatives picked their heads up high and boasted so, one would have thought it was a landslide win calling democrats whiners.
So go ahead Ann and whine with dignity, Nov 7 was a victory for dems nonetheless.
helping the lower class and middle class will NOT
Giving handouts to those that do not work certainly does nothing to help their situations; it only encourages it. Middle class are your working class, the support and backbone of this country. Obama's interference in their lives is just that, interference. The democrats have always felt they have the right to interfere in our lives by taxing us to death. What does that do to help us? It only makes us MORE dependent on the government......nothing about MORE government is helping us in any way.
I'm glad you think crime is JUST a biproduct of poverty, not race, which proves you obviously don't live in an area where that would prove you wrong. I live in an area where I know that every BLACK has the same opportunities as whites, the EXACT same education and FREE two college years....FREE, FREE, FREE.....all they have to do is finish high school....not all As or even any Bs, just finish high school. Now, a lot of young people take advantage of that but MANY do not. What do they do instead? Stand on the street corner, run around with their pants hanging down to the knees, steal for drugs, sell drugs to make money so they can buy expensive hubcaps for their souped up cars, buy their expensive shoes and ugly pants, and make MORE BABIES, which by the way, I SUPPORT with my taxes. No, I don't want to hear all that hogwash about their poverty. The media has made so much of that garbage, those that don't live in or near it, don't realize many blacks have the same opportunities; it's just that a lot of blacks, especially in my town, have grown up generation after generation living off the taxpayer and see no reason whatsoever to change their situation. They make more babies.....I'm forced to raise them so that generation can make more babies. Do I wish their situation would change? ABSOLUTELY! Do they have plenty of resources available in this town alone to change that? ABSOLUTELY! Do most of them take advantage of that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Yes, the majority of crimes in our town is committed by blacks but it AIN'T because of poverty; it's because THEY WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME!! We have poor whites as well and the majority of those do not feel they have the right to steal what belongs to others, kill someone over drugs or a stupid girl, or whatever else one wants to use as an excuse.
Obama will do nothing to help those that feel entitled and look to Obama as just a bigger free paycheck. You don't help anyone by giving them free handouts. If they don't want an educate, won't help themselves, and continue to feel ENTITLED to MY money, Obama certainly won't change that by encouraging laziness and lack of worth ethics.
Making the middle class dependent on the government is in no way helping them; if anything, Obama will be the end to the middle class as we know it today.
He's bringing dignity back to the White House!
Yes, I read something similar from a different source. Not that hard to believe when you see him giving unwanted massages and acting like a 9-year-old boy. Perhaps alcohol and cocaine ate more of his brain cells than anyone imagined. He can hardly get a sentence out without stumbling.
Bush memo instructs officials: "Say I had honor and dignity."
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this! "Honor" and "dignity" are NOT words that would come to mind to describe Bush.
What is INCREDIBLE to me is that Bush's "memoir," "A Charge to Keep" is referenced here. The original ghostwriter (and long-time Bush family friend) for that memoir was fired and his reputation tarnished (in usual Bush fashion) because Bush talked TOO much during his interviews with the writer, including how he wanted to invade Iraq back in 1999 -- 2 years before 9/11. I've posted that link on here before, but here it is again:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php
For Bush's staff, upbeat talking points on his tenure
Administration officials get a memo from the White House suggesting what to say about the last eight years: President Bush upheld 'the honor and the dignity of his office,' for one.
By Peter Nicholas
December 9, 2008
Reporting from Washington -- In case any Bush administration officials have trouble summing up the boss' record, the White House is providing a few helpful suggestions.
A two-page memo that has been sent to Cabinet members and other high-ranking officials offers a guide for discussing Bush's eight-year tenure during their public speeches.
Titled "Speech Topper on the Bush Record," the talking points state that Bush "kept the American people safe" after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, lifted the economy after 2001 through tax cuts, curbed AIDS in Africa and maintained "the honor and the dignity of his office."
The document presents the Bush record as an unalloyed success.
It mentions none of the episodes that detractors say have marred his presidency: the collapse of the housing market and major financial services companies, the flawed intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war, the federal response to Hurricane Katrina or the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
In a section on the economy, speakers are invited to say that Bush cut taxes after 2001, setting the stage for years of job growth.
As for the current economic crisis, the memo says that Bush "responded with bold measures to prevent an economic meltdown."
The document is otherwise silent on the recession, which claimed 533,000 jobs in November, the highest number in 34 years.
A copy of the memo was obtained by The Times' Washington bureau. A spokesman for Bush said Monday that the White House routinely sends out suggestions to officials and allies on ways to talk about the administration's record.
"What we have in mind with these documents is we feel the president's many accomplishments haven't been given the attention they deserve and in some cases have been purposely ignored," said Carlton Carroll, a White House spokesman.
No one is required to recite the talking points laid out by the White House, Carroll said.
The memo closes with a reference to Bush's 1999 memoir, "A Charge to Keep":
"Above all, George W. Bush promised to uphold the honor and the dignity of his office. And through all the challenges and trials of his time in office, that is a charge that our president has kept."
One accomplishment cited is passage of the No Child Left Behind law, Bush's attempt to improve education. "He promised to raise standards and accountability in public schools -- and delivered the No Child Left Behind Act," the talking points read.
On the presidential campaign trail this year, Democratic candidates found that any criticism of No Child Left Behind was a surefire applause line.
President-elect Barack Obama promised to revamp the program, contending that it elevated test-taking at the expense of a well-rounded education.
Nicholas is a writer in our Washington bureau.
peter.nicholas@latimes.com
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-bush9-2008dec09,0,4145069.story
Why do you post on the C board?
dont post on your board
I do not post on the conservative board..Never have, never will. I truly think separate boards is a good idea. Didnt at first but seeing how no logical debating goes on, just relentless attacks, what is the use. I just wish the conservatives would stay on their board or at least try to be reasonable when visiting another political board.
The post belongs on this board because...
Many Republicans on this board, including one in particular who shall remain nameless, continually accuse Barack Obama and the democrats of being socialist and possibly communist for supporting social programs to help our fellow Americans in need. Oldtimer is responding to those ridiculous accusations by posing the question about Jesus and socialism.
This is by far the dumbest post on this board.
Why don't you just post on the Comedy Board?...nm
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Last post to you. You can't even stop trolling on your own board. SM
F-O-L-L-O-W T-H-E T-H-R-E-A-D. I know it is really hard, that concept, but just try. Come on. You can do it. I know you can.
I feel the need to answer on this board regarding this post. SM
You could not possibly have done an in depth research of the Protest Warriors. They are no more pro war than God is. They do believe in the right to bear arms, part of our Constitution, by the way. I know how deeply offended you must be by seeing pictures of those who own guns defying your agenda to take them away from them, despite what the Constitution says. They are pro-Israel and believe, as I do, in the Israeli state. They are Jewish. I am not. While doing your selective in-depth review of their web site, did you happen to view any of the videos. Two? Even one? I am thinking you probably didn't. Protest Warriors expose the left for what they have become. Shrill, violent apologists for terrorists. Anti-American shills for the very people who want us dead. If you viewed the videos, you would know that. But you don't want to know that I am sure. Please stop speaking about something you obviously know nothing about. I am the member you spoke about. I don't know anyone else who posts on the boards who has admitted to being a member.
post your view on the conservative board
I think your views should also be posted on the conservative board. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander..Lets call an all out truce between the conservative posters and liberal posters, then I will agree..however, anyone reading these posts will realize the conservatives time and time again have been the attack dog and the liberals have tried to defend their own.
If you are a conservative, go to that board and post. Do not stir the pot here.
The same is true of liberals. Don't stir up the pot over on the conservatives board it causes entirely too much ugliness and hate. If you don't like it, I would suggest you find a politics forum that is a free for all mudslinging, unmoderated venue..
Conservatives, please post on conservative board. Thank you. nm
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Conservatives, please post on the Conservative board. Thank you. nm
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Post it on the con board. I'll read it. nm
Conservatives, please post on conservative board. nm
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Conservatives, please post on the conservative board. nm
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Loved your post farther down on the board...
....the post about religions, etc. It's what I'd been thinking but much more eloquent and better researched.
You make that judgment from one post on a board....
are we then to assume, because of Bill Clinton's antics, that all democrats are morally bankrupt?
Interesting post regarding US Citizenship on another board...
Not true at all, even if your parent is a us citizen, if you are born in another country, you are a us citizen, but you are forever disqualified from running for president. This does not apply to military bases and diplomats. That is the law. My boss happens to have been born in canada to us citizens working there at the time. Took him 3 years to be able to get a passport to leave the us on vacation and yes they notified him he could never run for president. That is the difference between being a us citizen and a naturalized us citizen.
I believe it is also the same for anyone whom has ever claimed citizenship outside of the us, once you claim citizenship anywhere else, you are disqualified from running for president.
I see that no liberal on this board was outraged by your post...sm
Did you also see in the news about the walls outside of congressional offices, new furniture being thrown out, as well as files and files of personal info?
Where is the outrage about this? I could only find it on Fox, so obviously the liberal media could care less.
I guess this has been going on for some time, but still....it really makes me mad....
....just like the fact that they voted themselves raises and are hoping no one would notice........
what's with the "Editscript Proofer Job" post on the job board?
This is obviously a foreign MT looking for a job? Anybody else notice it yet?
Great post. The posts on this board indeed COULD
lack of tolerance.
Please point out one post on this board where a poster agreed with
as you claim, "examining the adoption records of Roberts, casting aspersions that his 4-year-old son is gay, that HE is gay (Roberts) because he didn't marry until he was 40."
Please. Just one poster who said on this board that they agree with that.
You've proven that you're not here to debate. You're here to keep the fighting going. You were asked by Democrat to introduce a topic to debate. But you're too obsessed on trashing liberal posters. That's the only topic you've ever mentioned on this board 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME. Look at your posts. They're still here. That's the total extent of them, whining and complaining about the posts of liberals. There isn't ONE post on this board from you regarding an ISSUE.
There is a post on the conservative board. I would be happy to find more if you like. NM
Oh, and it's cool, the Bush is Jesus post on the C board. SM
Yeah, typical libs.
And since you post regularly on the Conservative board, you are not a pro-choicer. nm
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Post a link for verification please. Against board rule to
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Post a link for verification please. Against board rule to
Intolerance goes both ways, and your post should be directed to all on this board....sm
not just the conservatives.
In fact, you yourself, have posted to the extreme pro-Obama, if I'm not mistaken. (unless I'm thinking of someone with a similar name, if so, a thousand pardons).
Depending on which day you come, either side of the political agenda has their say and sway, way to the extreme.
Some of us tend to be in the middle, sometimes more to the right, sometimes more to the left.
Myself, these days, I'm sick and tired of McCain, and still can't stand Obama.
But you and anybody else are free to have your say.
Just don't attempt to say it's all one-sided, because it's not. And if you were fair, it's usually one-sided in favor of Obama, not McCain.
I, personally, am sick of politics in general, all ways around, with no good candidate, really, on either side of the spectrum.
Does anybody else get error messages half the time they try to post on this board. ?
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gee, I thought conservatives were supposed to post on their own board.....proves all you want sm
to do is fight with someone. What possible reason could you have for being over here? Obviously you are not creating dialogue or trading ideas....the only reason is to start something and then here come the insults. Guidelines posted when they started these boards were to post on your own board.
I do notice that conservatives post more on that board, but instead of discussing opinions and ideas and their reasons for them, all they do is bash the left.
Now, now, GT, that is precisely the kind of post that belongs on the Liberal Board!
Do you know where we can find one?
This post part of which I have copied from the conservative board is over the line
Well, gotta tell ya all..I have tried to take the conservative posts and laugh about them..but, however, being a descendant of the Holocaust, having lost great-great family members and still having a beloved friend who was a survivor, with tattoos on her arms and memories to tell all...I TOTALLY STRIKE OUT AT THIS POST..CALLING ME A NAZI IS THE MOST WORSE THING ANYONE COULD CALL ME..AND IM AM MOST DEFINITELY GOING TO CONTACT THE MONITOR AND ADMINISTRATOR..THIS IS UNCALLED FOR..THIS ATTACK IS IGNORANT..These ignorant people throw around genocide and nazi and THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK THEY ARE EVEN POSTING ABOUT..
**At least on these boards the two-initialed Nazi is allowed get away with her genocide of anything conservative, but that's not helping the post count on the board at all.**
Did you post this on Gab board: I think I'm going crazy - need some insight (long) - anon..nm
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It is weird to post this on a board "im black and i have guns and ammo" wth?
That's just plain odd to post on an MT board. Looking for trouble.
I see the liberal left on this board...save one "sm" could care less for your post....sm
Dems everywhere want total control, and obviously could care less what happens once that is obtained.
Credibility
Credibility can be judged from what someone wrote on the chat board. MT wrote that she will join the civilian corp in Iraq. Obviously, she was not credible in that comment. Now there is commentary that it doesn't matter, or that she didn't lie. Gawd, it is so much like this administration it's laughable, but somehow it makes me feel like crying instead of laughing. You say it won't matter in 100 years. Well, it might. The collective lies that got us into this war may matter to the relatives still alive of those killed in Iraq after 100 years. So in a very small but important way it does matter. It is symbolic of the web of lies bringing this whole country down.
By the way the civilian corps would include aid workers, truck drivers, engineers, etc. This was most certainly not a rhetorical question, yet another lie on the part of one of the posters worried about manners.
No credibility again (sm)
And this from www.rightsidenews.com
Speaking of credibility...
You promised to grace us with your absence before, yet your posts are multiplying like bunnies all over this board. So much for YOUR credibility.
bush has no credibility
I believe and trust Chavez, any day..even Putin any day..Bush has no credibility anymore..actually, in my eyes, he never had credibility..I warned republican friends not to vote for him cause he would destroy America and the world and Roe vs Wade would be overturned..my insights are coming true..and actually the Americans who voted for Bush have no one to blame but themselves, unfortunately, ALL of us have to suffer the consequences..IMHO, I think Bush should stand trial for not heeding the warning given to him about terrorists flying planes into high buildings (given to him in 08/2001), for waging a war on LIES which he KNEW they were lies and on Katrina, which he was warned about..This guy is a fool and we are all paying the price for having a fool in the White House..
goldberg has no credibility
I know him through his words..Do you know him personally? When a person puts his thoughts and ideas out there, he should expect criticism or praise. I have chosen to criticize. Hurt my credibility? I believe through his words HE no longer has credibility. However, for the radical right wingers, he is, I would assume, right up there with Limbaugh, Coulter, Carlson, people you believe even if they are acting like fools and lying through their teeth. Something we who did not drink the Kool-Aid can see.
Well, he might have more credibility with the little people if he WOULD...
stand on a cardboard box. ANd it would be more in keeping with how he keeps saying he would like to be thought of.
Credibility Factor
Wow, if my in-laws (in their 80s) knew that they were looked upon like that, I'd get a black eye (and deserve it) Incidentally, they could do it, too. They travel abroad, work out, all that stuff.
Maybe we should get a little sampling of how many fossilized 70YOs there are out there. I'm embarrassed for you.
It also seems to me that anyone who could endure the worst imaginable torture for 5 years must be made of something.
Is that the best ya got?
He is not restoring credibility to the US
He's selling us out!!!!!!!
You need to get a grip and stop watching MSLSD.
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