What about flying planes into buildings...a lot of...
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-15
In Reply to: Are you for the death penalty, for the bombing sm - oldtimer
collateral damage there, too.
What about the Nazi death camps?
Sometimes war is necessary, as distasteful as it is. There has been collateral damage in Afghanistan too, but both Obama and McCain say we should be there and Obama said last week we should send more troops there.
Collateral damage occurs in wars. And a lot of the collateral damage in Iraq was caused deliberately by AL Qaeda in Iraq against fellow Muslims. Is that more acceptable than accidental collateral damage by our troops?
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How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
How many Hamas in UNRWA, media buildings?
Israel's national security is threatened by "symbols of power," ie reporters and aid workers? Just one more US-backed pack of war crimes based on lies.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/articles/2009/01/03/hammond_top-5-lies-about-israels-assault-on-gaza.html
Refer to article for details.
Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.
Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/civilian-casualties-human-rights-groups-accuse-israelis-of-war-crimes-1366727.html
Palestinian fatalities: 1055, 670 of which are civilians, more than 300 children.
Israel fatalities: 13, 3 civilians, 10 soldiers, 4 BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
Palestinian injuries: 4560, over 1500 children.
Israel wounded: 178, 120 soldiers and 58 civilians.
IDF forces: 176,500 who accumulated 2360 air strikes BEFORE the ground assault.
Hamas militia: 20,000 total
Why were Bibles removed from government buildings then?
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oh, i thought it was only 3 planes...
of course you don't care about the substance that underlies the headlines -- because you are not willing to give McCain a fair chance. I certainly hope most of this country has more sense and isn't stuck on stupid.
Of course she does.....all the candidates use planes for some things...
my point was, that they SOMETIMES use buses instead of flying everywhere, Obama does not use buses, and I would venture a guess that one flight uses more energy than her tanning bed does in a year.
Guess he wasn't allowed to use the DOD planes
unlike some others... =)
Bush was warned that terrorists were plotting to use our own planes...sm
against us. He FAILED to protect the American people. He still FAILED to find the culprits.
Clinton told them we needed to beef up security in our airports. No one would listen especially the Bush administration.
WE NEED A DEMOCRAT FOR PRESIDENT LIKE YESTERDAY!!
World War I flying ace...sm
Good evening everyone.
I would suggest ya'll take time and volunteer at any VA hospital....It'll give you a different perspective to hear what all generations of veterans are thinking about many issues you're debating....Considering we listen for a living you can glean quite a bit of information.... Cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g
Flying around? What planet are you from?
He got on Airforce One following the protocol for protecting the POTUS. You know, Air Force One, the flying command center of the United States? The VP has a separate protocol and was taken to a separate location. Geeze, maybe you should avail yourself of some information before you post from now on.
He wasn't 'flying around.' Sorry to pop your conspiracy theory bubble, darling, but get your head on straight. And maybe you should educate yourself about the Katrina situation before you open your gob and vomit out the same tired 'bush caused katrina' drivel.
OBAMA IS A WEAKLING. GRAB YOUR ANKLES AND WAIT FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS.
I am seeing double standards flying
all over the place. yes, it bothers me, including on this board. A lot of this stuff is said so viciously it is amazing. I don't think either candidate has a leg to stand on talking about anybody's housing arrangements. Let's face it, none of them know what kind of lives we are living out here. They all sound like they come from everyday people and can identify with us poor slobs. Nobody anymore is going to set down their axe and get on a wagon to washington. Those days are long gone. Drug crimes are ruining this country, we have so lost any attempt at a grip on this, it is unreal; I know - let's go rip somebody for smoking. They probably aren't armed like a 14 year old might be. I wish both sides would tell the whole truth and not just whatever one liners they choose to take out on exhibit. And I think some of the comments safely said incognito are quite brave in their anonymous attacks, right down to picking on someone's clothing or hair. This is totally unnecessary and really juvenile, like a bunch of high school girls beating up on some poor slob nobody likes. No wonder our kids are doing this, they are learning it from their parents. I guess I am just too old now for all this stuff, all I can think is my daddy would have killed me for picking on someone. Too dog pack for me. I can sense you don't like McCain, well I like him better than Obama because I have yet to hear something more substantial than wanting change. Hitler and Castro said exactly the same thing and the people went for it and got what they wanted. And yes, you think it can't possibly happen again, but it can and does. All of American still harping about slavery, but we don't do anything about the slavery still alive and well in Africa and other places, including USA brought over here by other countries who buy kids to do their housework. Obama says charity begins at home, but not apparently for his half-brother who lives in Nairobi on $12 a year. There seem to be new standards in this country and I just can't agree with all of them. He is a perfect candidate for poster child for pro-life. His mother easily could have aborted him and that child would never have grown up to run for President. I used to think I was pro-choice, but after raising children and now enjoying my grandchildren and looking at the partial abortion diagrams, I have had to rethink this. I know some argue life does not begin until later, but every 6th grader is taught life begins with a cells, whether in a plant or animal or human. If a stranger ran up to a pregnant woman and managed to stab her baby in the back of the head with a pair of scissors, he would be arrested, tried and convicted. It is no wonder so many of our youngsters are confused. We are leaving them a huge mess, and I am not happy with anybody running in this election. I may just vote for Paris Hilton, at least she does not pretend to be anything but what she is.
Flying in high style........sm
I realize he already owned the jet, but REALLY!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454844,00.html
Check your own timeline. He was not flying over New Orleans...
when the levee breached. He was on the ground in Arizona. The corps of engineers had been telling New Orleans and the state of LA that the levees would not hold in a bad storm, but they chose to spend the money elsewhere.
Let's be real here. The whole city is below sea level. As engineers have said even since Katrina, in a huge storm like Katrina and gustav, they might not hold. Nothing Bush can do about that.
That is a ridiculous, mean statement. I repeat...if Obama had been present, he would have been going about his usual day as President also, expecting people to do their jobs. And if he suggests otherwise, I would be the first to call him a liar.
The hurricane is what killed people. George Bush did not kill people.
If he had been a Democratic president, would you be saying this? Of course you wouldn't, you would be defending him right down the line.
That is the difference between you a hard line party follower, and me, an independent not beholden to ANY party. I would be defending that President no matter WHAT party he was in. THe people he trusted to do the job failed him. The state and local authorities failed their constituents.
And bottom line...it was the hurricane that killed people and destroyed property. Not George Bush. Just like it will be the hurricane this time, but EVERYONE learned from the last one, including state and local authorities, and the Republican governor of Louisianna has done an outstanding job in moving that along. Former Dem Governor Blanco is no longer in politics. Wonder why that is.
That being said...it was no one person's fault. All can share some of the blame.
But don't see you attacking anyone but George Bush.
Wonder why THAT is?
Why assume that flag-flying was this individual's
There's nothing in the story to support your assumption that flying the flag represents this individual's complete understanding of the notion of patriotism.
On the other hand, flying the flag IS certainly ONE expression of patriotism - a form of protected speech, in fact - and the ONLY question here is not whether this individual has a simplistic view of patriotism, but whether displaying the flag should have been prohibited.
We'll just call this your quota of "straw man" logical fallacies for the week, shall we? You may not post another one until next week.
While the "poo" is flying, let's note I did not make my post about whether...sm
I agreed with the stimulus package, because if you read further back on this board, I have been stating my opposition clearly for weeks, and just what I have problems with! This post was about a thinly-veiled, very inflammatory, crude, demeaning, hurtful "comic," and not just for the President, many African-Americans were hurt by this, and wrong is wrong, I am keeping my post specifically to this one point, I am sick of "pubs" or anyone else clouding issues by dragging other irrelevant issues in. The Post really demeaned themselves by publishing this, and they know it!!
GIVE ME A ROYAL BREAK!!! FLAG-FLYING
Flag-flying IN AND OF ITSELF is not "patriotism"
PATRIOTISM is standing up for one's COUNTRY against all - including the government.
You can show your patriotism in MANY MANY ways other than flying a flag - one of the most important ways is to EDUCATE yourself about how the government LIES good men and women into fake wars to LINE THE POCKETS OF THE ALREADY RICH.
We have not been "fighting for our freedom" since 1776!!
WANT TO SHOW YOUR PATRIOTISM? Get the facts about what your government is REALLY using your tax dollars for and HOW they are really using your sons and daughters...
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