Why assume that flag-flying was this individual's
Posted By: ONLY expression of patriotism? on 2009-05-28
In Reply to: GIVE ME A ROYAL BREAK!!! FLAG-FLYING - Me
There's nothing in the story to support your assumption that flying the flag represents this individual's complete understanding of the notion of patriotism.
On the other hand, flying the flag IS certainly ONE expression of patriotism - a form of protected speech, in fact - and the ONLY question here is not whether this individual has a simplistic view of patriotism, but whether displaying the flag should have been prohibited.
We'll just call this your quota of "straw man" logical fallacies for the week, shall we? You may not post another one until next week.
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GIVE ME A ROYAL BREAK!!! FLAG-FLYING
Flag-flying IN AND OF ITSELF is not "patriotism"
PATRIOTISM is standing up for one's COUNTRY against all - including the government.
You can show your patriotism in MANY MANY ways other than flying a flag - one of the most important ways is to EDUCATE yourself about how the government LIES good men and women into fake wars to LINE THE POCKETS OF THE ALREADY RICH.
We have not been "fighting for our freedom" since 1776!!
WANT TO SHOW YOUR PATRIOTISM? Get the facts about what your government is REALLY using your tax dollars for and HOW they are really using your sons and daughters...
American Veteran Removes US Flag from beneath Mexican Flag
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Veteran Removes The American Flag This is a video clip showing the veteran who went down to a Mexican restaurant in Reno , NV to take down the American flag that was being flown under their Mexican flag. This guy silenced the folks on the sidewalk and makes me proud to be an American. I think it's going to take a lot more of this kind of revolting to change things....watch and be proud.
American Veteran Removes US Flag from beneath Mexican Flag
Veteran Removes The American Flag This is a video clip showing the veteran who went down to a Mexican restaurant in Reno , NV to take down the American flag that was being flown under their Mexican flag. This guy silenced the folks on the sidewalk and makes me proud to be an American. I think it's going to take a lot more of this kind of revolting to change things....watch and be proud.
World War I flying ace...sm
Good evening everyone.
I would suggest ya'll take time and volunteer at any VA hospital....It'll give you a different perspective to hear what all generations of veterans are thinking about many issues you're debating....Considering we listen for a living you can glean quite a bit of information.... Cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g
Flying around? What planet are you from?
He got on Airforce One following the protocol for protecting the POTUS. You know, Air Force One, the flying command center of the United States? The VP has a separate protocol and was taken to a separate location. Geeze, maybe you should avail yourself of some information before you post from now on.
He wasn't 'flying around.' Sorry to pop your conspiracy theory bubble, darling, but get your head on straight. And maybe you should educate yourself about the Katrina situation before you open your gob and vomit out the same tired 'bush caused katrina' drivel.
OBAMA IS A WEAKLING. GRAB YOUR ANKLES AND WAIT FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS.
I am seeing double standards flying
all over the place. yes, it bothers me, including on this board. A lot of this stuff is said so viciously it is amazing. I don't think either candidate has a leg to stand on talking about anybody's housing arrangements. Let's face it, none of them know what kind of lives we are living out here. They all sound like they come from everyday people and can identify with us poor slobs. Nobody anymore is going to set down their axe and get on a wagon to washington. Those days are long gone. Drug crimes are ruining this country, we have so lost any attempt at a grip on this, it is unreal; I know - let's go rip somebody for smoking. They probably aren't armed like a 14 year old might be. I wish both sides would tell the whole truth and not just whatever one liners they choose to take out on exhibit. And I think some of the comments safely said incognito are quite brave in their anonymous attacks, right down to picking on someone's clothing or hair. This is totally unnecessary and really juvenile, like a bunch of high school girls beating up on some poor slob nobody likes. No wonder our kids are doing this, they are learning it from their parents. I guess I am just too old now for all this stuff, all I can think is my daddy would have killed me for picking on someone. Too dog pack for me. I can sense you don't like McCain, well I like him better than Obama because I have yet to hear something more substantial than wanting change. Hitler and Castro said exactly the same thing and the people went for it and got what they wanted. And yes, you think it can't possibly happen again, but it can and does. All of American still harping about slavery, but we don't do anything about the slavery still alive and well in Africa and other places, including USA brought over here by other countries who buy kids to do their housework. Obama says charity begins at home, but not apparently for his half-brother who lives in Nairobi on $12 a year. There seem to be new standards in this country and I just can't agree with all of them. He is a perfect candidate for poster child for pro-life. His mother easily could have aborted him and that child would never have grown up to run for President. I used to think I was pro-choice, but after raising children and now enjoying my grandchildren and looking at the partial abortion diagrams, I have had to rethink this. I know some argue life does not begin until later, but every 6th grader is taught life begins with a cells, whether in a plant or animal or human. If a stranger ran up to a pregnant woman and managed to stab her baby in the back of the head with a pair of scissors, he would be arrested, tried and convicted. It is no wonder so many of our youngsters are confused. We are leaving them a huge mess, and I am not happy with anybody running in this election. I may just vote for Paris Hilton, at least she does not pretend to be anything but what she is.
What about flying planes into buildings...a lot of...
collateral damage there, too.
What about the Nazi death camps?
Sometimes war is necessary, as distasteful as it is. There has been collateral damage in Afghanistan too, but both Obama and McCain say we should be there and Obama said last week we should send more troops there.
Collateral damage occurs in wars. And a lot of the collateral damage in Iraq was caused deliberately by AL Qaeda in Iraq against fellow Muslims. Is that more acceptable than accidental collateral damage by our troops?
Flying in high style........sm
I realize he already owned the jet, but REALLY!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454844,00.html
Check your own timeline. He was not flying over New Orleans...
when the levee breached. He was on the ground in Arizona. The corps of engineers had been telling New Orleans and the state of LA that the levees would not hold in a bad storm, but they chose to spend the money elsewhere.
Let's be real here. The whole city is below sea level. As engineers have said even since Katrina, in a huge storm like Katrina and gustav, they might not hold. Nothing Bush can do about that.
That is a ridiculous, mean statement. I repeat...if Obama had been present, he would have been going about his usual day as President also, expecting people to do their jobs. And if he suggests otherwise, I would be the first to call him a liar.
The hurricane is what killed people. George Bush did not kill people.
If he had been a Democratic president, would you be saying this? Of course you wouldn't, you would be defending him right down the line.
That is the difference between you a hard line party follower, and me, an independent not beholden to ANY party. I would be defending that President no matter WHAT party he was in. THe people he trusted to do the job failed him. The state and local authorities failed their constituents.
And bottom line...it was the hurricane that killed people and destroyed property. Not George Bush. Just like it will be the hurricane this time, but EVERYONE learned from the last one, including state and local authorities, and the Republican governor of Louisianna has done an outstanding job in moving that along. Former Dem Governor Blanco is no longer in politics. Wonder why that is.
That being said...it was no one person's fault. All can share some of the blame.
But don't see you attacking anyone but George Bush.
Wonder why THAT is?
While the "poo" is flying, let's note I did not make my post about whether...sm
I agreed with the stimulus package, because if you read further back on this board, I have been stating my opposition clearly for weeks, and just what I have problems with! This post was about a thinly-veiled, very inflammatory, crude, demeaning, hurtful "comic," and not just for the President, many African-Americans were hurt by this, and wrong is wrong, I am keeping my post specifically to this one point, I am sick of "pubs" or anyone else clouding issues by dragging other irrelevant issues in. The Post really demeaned themselves by publishing this, and they know it!!
Then let each individual
deal with the personal consequences, if there are any. Don't mandate what they can and cannot do.
we. we, we....is there an individual among you?
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an individual wrote this and -
every individual has a right to his/her own opinion, but that does not mean that the countries are saying we were duped. The people in other countries are just like the people in America - you either love him or you hate him - there is no in between for Obama.
I personally think that we have him now as POTUS and we should stand behind the man and show respect for the office he is holding and give him a chance to do something before we continue to tear him down.
I hear people say Obama has already broken this promise or that promise, but how can he break promises he made when he is not even the president yet? Give him a chance - if he messes up, then talk about it and be upset -- and even though I voted for him, I will be upset right along with you.
How lost an individual you are....
I am not a republican and it doesn't take much for one to now see that this president has NO loyalty to this country. NOTHING AT ALL!! He has an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with this country but control!! You need to wake up!
Treason? 'a more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation'...
How very sad for you that you don't even realize that in a "free country" one is allowed to speak out against their president. THAT IS NOT TREASON!!! that is what sickos in Iran call treason.... do you akin yourself with the likes of those sick tyrannical leaders?
That is exactly what Obama is doing. Speaking out against our president is our constitutional right...to keep things in check and NOT allow government too much power or control into our lives.
So sorry for you. You are truly the very kind Obama longs for.... he needs to take care of you don't ya know? You are obviously too ignorant to do it for yourself!
Individual independent investigation
I agree it is important to look at raw facts and draw conclusions for yourself. So much of what we see and hear out of the mainstream media is slanted to one side or the other. I believe it is very important for one to get info from independent sources in order to draw enlightened conclusions. I think it's naive at best to trust solely the mainstream media and even partisan sources exclusively for your news. Things can be spun so many different ways. This is one area where we agree.
I hardly consider myself some upper class individual trying
to keep "lower class" in check. You assume incorrectly. We can't make everyone happy but we try our best.
On individual incomes exceeding $250,000.
To restore funding for longstanding program commitments slashed, diverted and/or discontinued to fund the war. He cannot create "MORE" programs without majority support from Congress. Should he be able to garner such support, then we would call that representative democratic process, not socialist/Marxist black liberationist theology.
i don't care what the individual income is
how is it anyone else's right to tell me that i have to give ANY portion of my income to help those less fortunate? I don't care if the income is $200,000 or $20,000!
I was not referring to an individual as being self-righteous,
I was referring to the collective you that applies to anyone that maybe needs to see a different perspective.
Individual liberty? Why allow the Government
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I was asking what individual people who identify themselves as liberals....
what that meant to them. I can look up liberal in a dictionary...that is not what I meant. There are those on this board who are Democrats, who call themselves liberal Democrats...who obviously do not agree with you, as you state there are no "true" liberals in the Democratic party. This is very interesting. You have my attention again....what in your estimation makes a "true conservative?" Do tell.
1 more time. INDIVIDUAL income means 1 person.
not a family. It means the income that one single person makes. This means that a husband and wife making less than $500,000 yearly combined incomes will receive tax cuts. I am posting separate information under a second post to dispel any confusion that is being generated on this issue. Small businesses have a different plan does not involve tax increases of any sort of description.
Unbelievable - Individual cities are now asking for money from the bailout -
What do ya'll think about this? I cannot believe it. The bailout was bad enough when it was to keep the banks from failing which was going to ruin us all, but now these individual cities are asking for money for things such as mass transit improvements, expansion of clean technology businesses, to fund long-neglected infrastructure, more police, upgrades to airport terminals and runways, upgrades to wastewater treatment plants, etc.
Where is it going to end? What happened to all the taxes people have been paying in for years anyway? Why was it not being used for those things all along? And why should I in Georgia have to pay to give people in other states money to fix things? Alaskans are not giving me part of that money they get every year from their oil... Maybe that is selfish - but if they continue to take and take from me, then what I am supposed to do? 
no flag for me
I wont hang a flag, but if I did it would be upside down, the symbol for help/distress. Or I would rather burn a flag. Sorry, for the negativity but that is how I feel about this country. My father fought in WWII and received a Purple Heart, my cousin is in the Navy right now. I just dont recognize America anymore. It is not my country. I feel like I have just landed on earth from Mars, LOL. Now, Sandra Day O'Connor is retiring, oh boy..another major fight with the right wing. Bush is on TV now saying..yada..yada..yada, he will take into consideration, yada..yada..yada..We know who he will nominate, a radical right wing nut. Sigh..
Flag pin
I love our country and respect it, but I do not wear a flag pin ever. I don't see why wearing a flag pin is so important. I was never taught to put my hand over my heart for the national anthem and most people I know do not. Men are to take their hats out, stand tall and pay attention, nothing else.
I don't understand all the attention on a pin.
put on your flag pin, your big
girl panties and pay your fair share. I don't want to work to pay taxes that go to the endless war, yet as an american citizen, I do because I must. Think of others for a change.
Oh no...not the flag pin again. LOL
Red flag s/m
The site is a blog. I notice that what I thought was a link to Obama's tax returns didn't go anywhere. The only thing visible is the "summary" of what this person SAYS is on the tax forms. Show me the REAL tax return and I'll be happy to say what I think about his charitable contributions. In the meantime, it is his business as McCain's tax return is his business.
Assume all you wish. TI
I have no idea. The fact is, it was linked and your words discussed. A good laugh was had by all once we realized you really have no idea what you speak about. What you say here speaks for itself. Isreal is an evil aggressor, no Israelis, women or children, have ever died at the hands of our enemies, we deserve what we get, and we are a plague upon the face of the earth. That's what you have said, not in those words but in those thoughts. At least stand behind your words, as foul as they may be to some of us. We have met your kind all over the world. There are more and more of them all the time.
Then I must assume you are against
all of the killing and anhilation of life in Iraq too. But of course, this is just assumption on my part, I could be wrong. By the way, those embryos are going to be destroyed, as in thrown out. Does this constitute killing of embryos? Amazing how some people cannot see things in an encompassing manner.
You assume too much
You assume that everyone who protests never says thank you and does not appreciate the military and that is wrong. As I said before, I was a government employee in a military installation for many years. I do appreciate what these men and women do every day. My father and father-in-law both served in Vietnam. They are both huge war protestors and I am proud to march along side them.
That doesn't mean I have to keep quiet when I don't agree with a military action. Protesting war does not necessarily equal protesting the military. I do agree many are disrespectful, many of us are not and will continue to exercise our rights as long as we have something to say.
Why do you assume that... sm
Planned Parenthood doesn't spend as much time and money offering contraception as they do abortion? *Of course* they do.
But I'm not surprised you aren't familiar with all their services, as you seem unable to see anything other than ABORTION-ABORTION-ABORTION!!! (Which, in looking at the volume of posts you've written on it seems like a rather unhealthy obsession, IMHO.)
My gosh. How sad that that's what you got out of that story. The story was about premature babies dying, not abortion, and yet you somehow turn it into an attack on Planned Parenthood and abortion? What the heck???
And before you assume, no, I am not
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Why do you assume...
That the only reason people have against voting for Obama is 'fear?' You must think we're all a pretty uneducated bunch, huh? Right back at ya.
And you need more information on ACORN. Or you're in complete denial. I don't know which one.
Don't assume
First, it is rude & completely illogical for you to equate "breast enhancement" with atheism. You're making leaps from "breast enhancement" to "what a Christian would never do" (& that in itself I find suspect) to "what a non-Christian always does." & you even go one step further, you think you can actually substitute some product (which you've already mistakenly associated with a certain group) *for* that group. It's ridiculous, flimsy, shrill.
A product is not a belief system, but I find it typical of the "black & white," simplistic, narrow form of christianity I unfortunately encounter from time to time that you think the world is divided into "me/not me" and everything outside that tiny circle is somehow all part of the same large conspiracy to deprive you of something.
Second, I would find it completely out of place to screen a pro-choice message at the Superbowl. Why? Because it is a belief system & has no place there. Condoms? As has been posted elsewhere in this thread, plenty of christians use them, & for reasons other than a promiscuous lifestyle. It's a product, used by lots of people for lots of different reasons. For that matter, I would imagine there are women who've had their breasts enlarged for reasons of self-esteem who would be offended by the idea that they did it in order to facilitate promiscuity. In a perfect world, I suppose things like this wouldn't matter & we would all have self-esteem no matter what our shape. The world isn't perfect -- but it is what the godhead made.
Why would you assume..(sm)
that we pay for everything they do? They actually do have money of their own. We aren't talking about Palin here. LOL.
the flag pin dealio
is a Rovian tactic aimed at the dumbest, uneducated, stick-in-the eye voters. Like those Pennsylvanians in the Oprah book of the month. Called Country Roads or something. Was rural PA residents which had murder, incest, etc. A good read.
Aren't you ashamed to include yourself in that group? Real problems need to be solved, not accessorized with flag pins.
oh drop the flag pin, will you?
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Something sends up a red flag
It was on every single station except for two. Didn't watch it because it's just another form of brainwashing. Why does he need a commercial where it is blatanly obvious he did it so nobody would be able to ask him any questions. What's on the mind of everyone I know is why didn't he hold a conference and take questions?
Heard he said (or will be saying) the same ol same ol.
Just another regime tactic.
I am sure that the supervisor did not say that the flag
is offensive. How could she? She herself, I am sure, is already an US citizen, after being for 14 years in this country and being her supervisor.
It was all about the supersized flag!
A little thing on her desk would have been enoigh!
It was all about the SUPERSIZED flag
and I am sure that the supervisor did not say that the flag is offensive.
and then he proceeded to wad the flag up!
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No, I am outraged that you assume so very much.
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I assume you are speaking of me.
First of all, for your information since you obviously cannot or will not read, I despise Bush. Your intolerance tells the world (these boards are read by the world, after all) that the liberal left in the United States has become the party of intolerance, anti-Israel, anti-American. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have and you live a world coloured by hopelessness and despair. I really pity you. Since I don't vote in the United States, I am neither left nor right. But of course, it's easier to label and name call, as you seem so very good at. The realisation may hit one day that you have a very narrow view of the world out there.
You just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a ....
*gasp* Republican. I'm not. I am not adverse to intellect. I just don't happen to think that attacking an innocent 16-year-old girl because her mother is in a different political party is particularly intellectual, nor do I think it defines those who engage in as particularly intellectual. But that is just me.
I would hope that Obama would be equally as incensed if someone attacked one of HIS children. I know I WOULD BE.
I did not assume you didn't, I was just asking if you did...
which is a valid question.
As to politico itself, sorry if I misunderstood. From your post I did not discern that you meant to that site only. I apologize. Thanks for the clarification.
Am I to assume then you are all on board for...
America becoming a socialized nation and earmarking a certain percentage of our tax dollars to go to fight "global poverty" in addition to the billions we already send overseas....you are a citizen of the world before you are a citizen of the United States? Or you just ignore those parts of an Obama presidency?
You automatically assume
You assume if there is something negative said here about Obama, then that poster MUST be for McCain. Well, that is not the case. BTW, Palin doesn't have to look far to cast aspersions on Obama. He's done that to himself.
I assume you speak for yourself
I assume you mean the sad part
is all of our brothers and sisters who refuse believe because they can't "prove" God's existence. I don't feel sad that the end times are near (I believe) for myself but I do believe the Bible tells us that in the end EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. It also tells us not to be afraid, something I struggle with, yet I know that in my rather looooong life, He has provided that which I needed, sometimes things I didn't even know I needed. He has also allowed me to suffer the consequences when I went against His will. Whatever part of the tribulation we have to endure, I am sure He will make a way for us. And I do believe we are entering into the tribulation.
why do you assume they didn't
u know what they say about assuming
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