There's a big difference between killing a fully developed,
Posted By: full-grown animal and aborting a fetus that - sm on 2008-09-15
In Reply to: Again, for those of you who are pro-choice... - indemt
is at that point only a bunch of tissue that will EVENTUALLY be a human being, but is not, and is a long way out from being one. The OP, by the way, was NOT talking about abortion rights, or the pro-life religious movement, etc. Why you people have to infuse this argument into everything is beyond me. The OP was talking about WOLVES. And the fact that SP was not against what appears to amount to aerial target-practice. Please take your pro-life sentiments to another thread (and preferably, another forum.)
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Not only do I have a thicker skin - I also have a FULLY DEVELOPED brain-what a concept!!
Never developed a taste for
'tree rats'. Find 'em a little tough and stringy.
It's not "infanticide". It's not a developed infant -
And where is YOUR 'tolerance', Church-Lady? If you wish to chose birth instead of terminating a pregnancy, that's YOUR right. But you and your little blinker-wearin', bible-quoting friends have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to make that decision for anyone else. PERIOD.
Religious fanatics like yourself need to get over your inadequacies, throw away the 'crutch' you lean on so heavily, keep your noses out of others' personal lives, and get some of your own.
Until I developed a sufficient number of cells to even
that's exactly what I was. And so were you. It's how biology works. Oh, wait. I forgot. You only studied creationism, right?
I fully understand that. However, when...
confronted about voting against it the first time, he said he would have voted for it if a bill ever came before him worded like the federal bill is now, which passed overwhelmingly. Well, it turns out, the NRL asked for the second bill that he also voted against and the wording is nearly identical, and is in fact identical in the areas he expressed concern about. So, he lied. He knew he had voted against it the second time with that very wording, he just hoped no one would check. All information about this has been removed from his website. The reason he did it is clear...anything that might remotely give creedence to overturning Roe vs. Wade he was willing to vote against...even if that meant children born alive being left to die. He has said, and there are videos on You Tube that support this, that there should be no restrictions.
So, even if he voted against the first bill for wording, he can't use the same excuse on the second. Which makes me believe he voted against both for the same reason and the only reason he lied was to appear more moderate and therefore more electable,and when caught in a lie is now doing...what did the other poster call it...keeping a low profile. You don't win the endorsement of the most radical left wing proabortion folks by being moderate. Look at the totality of his voting on the subject. It can't ALL be because of wording. That's all I'm saying. I don't know why people can't just be honest and say what they really believe and feel and let us elect them on their true merits. Yeah, I know, dream on.
Fully agree
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It has been explained fully many times
in this post and you are obviously unwilling to accept anything we say.
I fully support our soldiers -
As I have said before, I have a son who just graduated basic training last week, I was a soldier's wife for 20 years (one who served in the Gulf War during our marriage and is currently in Iraq now), and my father served in the Korean war, but I still think that the Iraq war is pointless and we do not need to be there. I don't think we should ever have been there, but definitely should be home now.
Even the Iraqi people don't want us to get out and come home and let them handle their own country.
Hating the war does not mean hating the soldiers - it means wanting the ones that are left to be home and alive and in one piece!
Wrong!. One day he fully sticks up for them.
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I fully agree with you - see message
Three months is definitely enough time for a mother to decide whether or not to have the baby. After that I say no way. After that time there is always a practice called adoption.
What I take offense to is someone who claims they know what God's intentions are, and then claims that someone who mows down a person in cold blood is a messenger of god and doing his work and this is what god wants, blah, blah, blah.
I think people should think before they write. When someone professes to know exactly what god wants (and considers killing someone in cold blood an act of god) then its time for some serious medication.
I say if you agree or don't agree that's one thing, but to get on and say "oh yeah, that's what god wanted" (for someone to be mowed down in front of family and friends).
Opinions like that just tend to irritate me a bit.
No, dear, I understand fully what reality is.
Reality is truth. I don't expect you to understand anything concerning the truth, though. People who see reality for what it is are simply just sick and tired of being lied to, whether it's by Dumbya or by those of your ilk. Thank God you don't represent the majority of Americans or we'd be in worse trouble than what we're in now.
Trying to communicate with you is impossible, so I choose not to participate in that endeavor any longer.
You have a nice evening now. 
I can understand fully why you don't want to play the blame game...
considering where the blame falls. If those were all Republicans in the dam*ing video, would you be on this board saying stop the blame game? I think NOT. Where is accountability? You should be fighting mad about this...and demanding accountability from your party members who brought this down on us. I do not understand that. You want to hang Bush out to dry for every little wrong, and here we face the biggest financial crisis in decades, and the evidence is irrefutable Democrats on the hill are responsible..yet you give THEM a pass. WHY is that?
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Not pro-war, oh yeah, just pro-killing.
...and they look like such nice boys.....
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They will be killing 2 birds
with one stone here. Obviously those who were too poor to get out of the city are going to be too poor to get back in, never mind rebuilding. They have been spread out over the country which does break down the democratic voting base, turning LA into a Republican state. Also the vulture developers can build condo upon condo starting at about the half million mark and the sky's the limit. It's was a perfect storm, got rid of the poor, the blacks, i.e, the strongly Democratic base and it allows the rich to come on down, build their gated communities, vote Republican and keep the riff raff out.
Killing this country?
In less than 4 months? He hasn't even had a chance to initiate anything yet to kill it. If you feel the country is dying, cast that upon the previous administration, who handed Obama a 'flat lined' country and now you gripe about Obama because he hasn't fixed 8 years of malignant policies in 4 months?
Which brings us the reason Dubya's name keeps coming up. The anti-Prez-O folks keep pointing to Obama and saying he's killing the country. Dubya's name comes up because he's the one who pulled the trigger; BO is just the poor schmuck working the ER when the patient got rolled in.
billions for killing Iraqis okay
not one red cent for the poor!
How did we go from killing wolves in an inhumane way
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You agree with killing infants??
I mean most humans don't...
Like I said, not a POLITICAL ISSUE
A HUMANITY ISSUE!
I am so tired of you guys that are so star struck with Obama! It's getting insane! No, I don't like Mccain. But my God, killing infants?? Where does it stop????
Please, please just answer me yes or no....without regards to candidates, politics, etc...
Do you believe it is right for a newborn to be killed just because the abortion was botched? Not a FETUS, not an EMBRYO, a living, breathing, baby that has come out of the mother and the cord has been cut. Do you think that is okay?
ROFL!! You're killing me here.
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yes, about killing humans that are ALIVE
Not unborn ones...
The unions are killing companies, though. That is
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I am ok with shooting him but not with torturing and then killing him ..nm
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Why do you defend killing of innocent civilians?
I have never said I defend Hezbollah. I don't defend Hezbollah. They're terrorists, and they're horrible.
But blindly defending Israel, regardless of what they do, doesn't work for me either. What is most disquieting to me is that you defend Israel's placement of landmines to kill innocent civilians, designed to go off at a later date when people least expect it? Why don't you consider that terrorism, as well?
Obama killing EVERY unborn child now?
Man I guess I missed that. Obama causes end to human race. We better get to work on that stem cell research and cloning and stuff or there will be no one around to complain.
One killing does not a serial killer make........ sm
and you really should do some research on your own. The Koran might be a good place to start, especially the teachings on a man's role OVER his wife as well as a Muslim's instructions concerning "the infidels."
They'd never make fun of killing W....cuz then we would be stuck with CHENEY!!!!!
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Your president only cares about killing people in Iraq.
That's first and foremost in his mind, and Americans can go to hell, as far as he's concerned.
He thinks the war is more important than anything, including funding of projects to prevent a hurricane from destroying vulnerables, including funding border patrols, including forcing Americans to go broke just because they want to stay warm in the winter.
I overheard a conversation last night in a store. A woman was complaining of gas prices and said she didn't know if she'd be able to afford to heat her home this winter. Another woman told her about Jessie Jackson and his visit to Chavez and Chavez' offer to help low-income Americans with heating fuel.
This woman (who reminded me very much of some of you who post here, always in attack mode) said she and her children would FREEZE before she'd take any welfare from a communist. She then went on a tirade about the kind of people who receive welfare (not fit to print on a public forum like this). I was shocked, and the first three things that popped in my mind were Jim Jones, David Koresh and PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
Is there any length you people WON'T go to to defend this idiot president who doesn't care enough about YOU to make gasoline and heating oil affordable?
Clinton wasn't killing innocent people. NM
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Where was the concern of anyone when Saddam was killing the Iraqi people?
I must say, this is one of the most egregious of all arguments that is made in this country, or any country. Saddam tortured, killed, maimed and raped his own people for decades and not a word was said. Now with a chance for a free Iraq, this concern surfaces. Where was it all these years?
Distractions from perky one while CEOs make killing
Hello. Pub campaign strategies fleece flock one again.
Sarah Palin & aerial wolf-killing
Not easy to watch, but if she's for this, then I'm against her.
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You sound irrational...killing ethiopian babies with your money? ???
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this message is misleading - she is not for killing innocent soldiers and civilians in Iraq
You lumped killing innocent wildlife and killing soldiers and civilians in Iraq into the same line. She is not for killing innocent solderies and civilians in Iraq.
As distasteful as it is killing wildlife she is definitely not for the other. That is totally absurb.
Show me the proof where she said she is for killing innocent soldiers and civilians in Iraq.
You may hate her but making up totally false statement is outrageous and why once again I see the "political rape" of Sarah Palin. If you can show me proof I take back this last paragraph and eat my words, but I need proof. Saying something like that is like saying because Obama is a Muslim he is for killing all american if they don't convert to the muslim faith. Plain idiocracy.
nm and you thumb your nose at everying - common sense - killing this country.nm
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Taking revenge, killing other people, does this bring your friend back to life?..nm
There has to be another way!
The only difference between
Rudolph and Osama bin Laden is that one is Christian and one is Muslim. Other than that, there is no limit to their hatred.
To say that clinic workers at an abortion clinic are just as guilty as Rudolph is, at its best, INSANE. Those clinic workers broke no laws. Rudolph not only broke the law, he violated the "Thall shalt not kill" commandment that you all claim to believe in.
But, as with Bush in Iraq, it's okay if people kill, as long as they're the people you worship. I truly don't understand people like you, and I don't wish to. Frankly, you all frighten me, and I won't be reading your posts any more because I find them too disturbing.
Difference
I think it is a little bit different when it is coming from the president of the USA than someone driving on a freeway. At least, that is my opinion. Maybe you dont have high expectations for the leaders, I do.
big difference
The attorney is helping the person wronged by the corporation. The corporation is paying lobbyists to change laws so the little hurt guy cant get any satisfaction in court for being hurt. That is the difference. Big difference, if you ask me. Do you think Kenneth Lay lost sleep over all of his employess who lost jobs because of his criminal activity? He says he did but I doubt it.
I see the difference
The government is corrupt. The people are good. I'm so glad that you are posting here. I'm sure the people of Iran only want peace and freedom and to be out from under the rule of mean, evil people. Some people in the United States cannot comprehend what being under a tyrannical leader is all about. They have not experienced it like many countries in the Middle East have. We have a good leader, but many have been led to believe that he is not good. They don't understand that people around the world are being brutally killed and terorized by their own leaders who are supposed to have their best interests in mind. They are the truly oppressed and I pray for them daily. I pray that a peaceful solution will happen in Iran, and that the president will come to understand that he cannot win a war with the rest of the free world who will not let him have nuclear weapons because he has proven to be a man most untrustworthy and threatening to many countries including Israel and the U.S.
I believe the difference...
is between free speech and slander/libel. Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voicing that opinion as long as one does not libel and/or slander a particular individual(s). Since the widows were named and The ***WTC victims*** were not, one is free speech, albeit lunatic fringe free speech, and one is not.
To weigh in on the subject of Coulter; she makes her living saying and writing outrageous stuff. She is a shock jock. If she started writing books like William Safire does, no one would read them and she would not be on every talk show on the airwaves. It is her job to be repugnant and she does it quite well. I don't listen to her, don't read her books. I don't listen to Howard Stern either; nor Rush, nor Grover, nor anyone who makes my blood boil. It is an exercise in futility to try to change anyone's mind on the stuff these people say. You love them or hate them and so I just avoid them.
Same difference
Within 24 hours of taping? I reiterate the point I made above. And when you buy things from a private company unless they state it outright they might turn around sell your information to other advertisers. Unless you can produce where you signed a waiver of privacy, like you do at a doctor's office, you are not guaranteed that your information will be kept private.
I guess any good consumer could elect not to have phone service. That's one way to keep your conversations private. It's a bummer when it comes to communcation, but unless your plotting something illegal you really shouldn't have a problem should you?
Here's the difference between you and I.
I don't expect an apology. I do wonder though, why you rail so against Ann and had not a word to say about Ward Churchill. I would have liked some liberal input on that post and got none. I think what he said was a lot worse.
What's the difference?
It's okay for President Bush to get political but it's not okay for his employers (the American citizens) to do the same thing? That would be the norm in a fascist government ruled by a dictator like Iran. Is that where we're heading in America today?
Grandma's comment regarding the number of American troops killed in Iraq approaching the number of civilians killed on 9/11 was a very relevant comment, considering Bush himself exploited 9/11 in order to justify invading and occupying Iraq when it turns out Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
there IS a difference
i just stated in my above reply that yes I should have clearly stated I meant the people that use it as a form of birth control, who does THAT? not for medical reasons. I see there is a reason for it sometimes, of course.
the difference is
UAW workers were offered the same as workers in the U.S. who work for Honda, Toyota, etc. (not what they are paid working in foreign countries)
Yes, but there's a big difference between - sm
working in the government while concurrently believing in and practicing one's religion for their OWN USE.
What I have a huge problem with is when people use it to try to CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE.
Unfortunately, too many overzealous religious groups worldwide are doing just that.
key difference
Obama has proven himself over and over as thoughtful, knowledgible, and decent. SP has shown she has been heavily coached and has no real understanding or knowledge about foreign affairs. She has to have a teleprompter or a speech written for her. You in fact stated she kept the money from the Bridge to Alaska, confirming she has been repeating a lie about rejecting it on the campaign trail everyday..As far as Obama on O'Reilly. Of course I did not watch. The last thing I watched about Bill O'Reilly was where he threw the temper tantrum and ripped off the mike and threw on the counter and shouted obscenities at the staff because he did not understand the cue card.
I do believe him. What is the difference in....
believing him and believing what Obama says? Obama had lobbyists working for him; until just a month ago Joe biden's son was a professional lobbyist. Indeed, let's try to be objective here.
What's the difference?
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difference
One of the big differences between Palin and Clinton was their educations and years of experiences. How many years and how many colleges did it take Palin to get a journalism degree? Shows me that she really isn't that bright.
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