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Yes I can and it's called POVERTY

Posted By: MSMT on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: Wow. In the time it took me to post, market lost another - 135 points. Make that 735 give or take....sm

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Yes, poverty is a problem that will never...
go away until people stop the incessant fatherlessness in our society.  You can blame rich people, you can blame whites, you can blame anybody you want, but tossing EVEN MORE money at this problem (records amounts are already spent, and have been for 40 years), but the problem will never go away until the root causes of it are addressed.  A young black male being raised in a project by an uneducated, probably too young to be his mother, mother, doesn't stand a chance without some very rare personal gumption.  He has no father at home to teach him how to be a man, drops out of school, and the street becomes his family.  He listens to Ludacris to learn how to treat women, gets several girls pregnant, and the cycle repeats itself.  As Bill Cosby tries to say, the problem and the fix comes from within.  It's time to stop the blame. 
Global Poverty Act here we come.
Obama has said over and over that if elected he will push through the Global Poverty Act. He says this bill "is a priority."

The GPA requires the American president to "develop and implement" a "specific and measurable" official policy to cut GLOBAL poverty in HALF in six years. Specifically, it would earmark 0.7% of AMERICA'S gross national product for foreign aid ABOVE AND BEYOND the amount America already spends in foreign aid. So in addition to bailing out Wall Street, we get to bail out Bangalor and other poverty sockets to the tune of an extra $845 BILLION dollars, at the mandate of the United Nations.

And the US president would be held accountable to the UN if he failed to fork over the dough, making this nothing more than a TAX on America.

Once you teach a man to fish, you shouldn't have to keep throwing fish at him. At some point, we have to put country first. OUR country.
Did ya' ever think the whole reason there is poverty

I am voting for Obama; we need change, but of course the good ole' boys will never let that happen.  It's a shame that greed goes right alongside corrupt. 


Furthermore, just because someone is poor does not make them unintelligent.  There are some people who have just fell on hard times for many different reasons, one being medical problems or a sick child. 


Why doesn't grampa just give it up?  Him and his "hootsy" sidekick whatever her name is from nowhere.  The pubs throw more mud and find ways to look away from today's troubles, it's almost sickening instead of answering direct questions.


so you'd rather have "Trickle-Up poverty"
yea... that's probably best
Trickle up poverty

I decided to Google this phrase and see what came up.  Not suprising the first on the list was from Rush Limbaugh.   I did find this too though and I couldn't agree more.  I have no idea who wrote it.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Trickle-Up-Poverty-and-the-by-Cameron-Salisbury-080923-947.html


What I posted about poverty was an opinion...
from someone who has worked in the system for several years. And, frankly, I think the people in the trenches are better suited to have those opinions than Washington Bureaucrats who base everything on a census...and frankly, we know how reliable THAT is.
I grew up in extreme poverty myself - I am only 40 - I know (sm)
I know what the world is really like. I am not superficial. You just have no idea what you are talking about. I AM being a resonsible American and this is not nonsense. That is the confusion here.
Ever consider you and your lifestyle is just 1 or 2 layoffs away from poverty?

What if you're laid off, maybe your jobs are sent out of the country and you can't find another job.  Would you be too proud to take a handout from the government in the form of unemployment benefits?  Maybe food stamps so you could eat.  Judge not...............


Not everyone is looking to have you and your cohorts fork over part of your paycheck so they don't have to work.  Think overpaid CEOs.  Think companies (also MT companies) who send jobs out of the country so they can bloat their bottom line and put more in THEIR paycheck while taking it out of YOUR paycheck.  Isn't that what's being done already?  Is your MT pay getting better......or worse?


Socialism = Abject Poverty
And no, you couldn't go to the doctor unless you were on a waiting list for four months first. Read up on the history of Russia before you think Socialism is such a great idea.
Katrina Reveals Poverty Reality






It wasn't long ago that I was told by my conservative mtstars buddies that poverty in American was not as bad as we thought.  To them poverty only meant you didn't have extra spending money and that the impoverished had color TVs, air conditioning, cars, the whole enchilada.  They even went through the spiel of posting articles to support them.  It has always been my opinion that poverty is alive and well in America and Katrina has unfortunately revealed this to us all too tragically.


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Katrina Reveals Poverty Reality


Thursday, September 08, 2005

By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos















PHOTOS
VIDEO














Click image to enlarge








STORIES




Stories of the grinding poverty among the survivors of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans vividly illustrate what many say is a forgotten truth of modern American life — that pockets of desperate poverty still exist in a country of unsurpassed wealth and privilege.


Underscoring that reality, a report by the U.S. Census Bureau (search) released the same week Katrina hit the nation's southeast announced that the national poverty rate rose for the fourth straight year despite continuing growth in production and political rhetoric that the nation's economy is on the upswing.


Click here to read the U.S. Census Bureau's report.


According to that report, the number of Americans living under the poverty line grew by 1.1 million in 2004 for a total of 37 million people nationwide. That equals 12.7 percent of the total U.S. population. It is the fourth annual increase.


[Poverty] is a problem in America that hasn't gone away — it just went underground for a while, and it shouldn't have, said Sheila Zedlewski, director of the Urban Institute's Income and Benefits Policy Center.


Through images of the predominantly black residents of New Orleans pleading for help, leaving destroyed homes with nothing but the clothes on their backs, America got a wake-up call according to Sheldon Danziger at the National Poverty Center at the University of Michigan.


People are putting these things together, and it will be interesting to see if the attention of the public stays on this, he said. As a country we'd like to think we moved beyond it, but in reality, [poverty] is still a substantial problem.


Others caution against putting too much weight into the new numbers, pointing out that they do not reflect the public assistance low-income individuals and families receive, like Medicaid (search) and welfare, and do not distinguished between truly impoverished individuals and those who are temporarily poor.


The poverty rate began to climb in 2000, the year it hit a 26-year low of 11.3 percent of Americans living under the poverty level, according to U.S Census Bureau figures. That was the lowest point since 1974, when the number was 11.2 percent. The highest point of poverty in recent times was in 1993 at 15.1 percent. Before that, was in 1983, at 15.2 percent.


In 2004, according to the latest study, the poverty rate among African Americans remained the same — at 24.7 percent. Hispanics also saw no change in their poverty rate at 21.9, while whites saw an increase, from 8.2 percent to 8.6 percent. Asian Americans experienced the only decrease, from 11.8 percent to 9.8 percent.


The poverty rate among American families remained at 10.2 percent of the population in 2004. The Office of Budget and Management (search) defines a family of two adults and two children with a median household income of $19,157 or less as living in poverty; or a family of two with no children, making $12,649 a year.


Median household income went unchanged in 2004, according to the census bureau, at $44,389. Blacks continue to have the lowest median income among all ethnic and racial groups, making $30,134 annually.


Wages earned among Americans, however, declined in 2004. For men over 15 working full-time, year round, the real median earnings declined 2.3 percent from 2003, to $40,798. For women with similar work experiences, wages declined by 1 percent to $31,223.


And while unemployment has gone down from 5.5 percent in August 2004 to 4.9 percent in August this year, unemployment among blacks is still the highest in the country, at 9.6 percent in August compared to 4.2 percent for whites and 5.8 for Hispanics.


In New Orleans, where blacks make up 67 percent of the population, 27 percent of the residents are living below poverty level according to a recent study by Total Community Action, Inc. (search), a public advocacy group based in New Orleans.


Click here to read that study.


But some warn that the new census bureau figures may not be an ideal measure, given that they do not take into account the impact of public assistance on a household, or recent tax cuts and child tax credits. Others say the poverty rate had been in steady decline since the early 1990's and see the recent increases as the tail end of the 2000 recession.


It's a bit unfortunate to link the hurricane with the issue of poverty in this country, as though there has been no reduction in poverty since the 1980's, said Rey Hederman, senior policy analyst for the Heritage Foundation.


Since a high point in 1983 the poverty rate for the U.S has been on a decline, aside from the four years following the brief recession in 1989 and the most recent hike, according to the Census Bureau.


Like other economic analysts, Hederman believes the growth in productivity in the U.S economy will eventually produce more jobs and higher incomes for workers.


But so far, Hederman admits, that hasn't happened.


We've got strong productive growth but wages have been relatively stagnant. It's a bit of a paradox as to why it hasn't happened sooner, said Phillip Swagel of the American Enterprise Institute, who blames, in part, the Internet bust six years ago.


Nonetheless, he calls today's economy the most golden era for productivity growth in more than 50 years.


In the short term, it means that firms have been able to produce more without hiring more people, Swagel continued. But in the long term, it will mean that wages and income will go up. It takes time for that relationship to take hold.


But on Wednesday, the Congressional Budget Office (search) announced that hurricane's damage to the southeast could reduce national economic growth by nearly a percent at time when forecasters were hoping for a three to four percent increase by the end of the year. It also expects a loss of 400,000 jobs in the labor market.


Some say that inner cities that have never fully recovered from past economic recessions will no doubt be the hardest hit.


I think for the last 25 years, we have had an economy where most of the gains have been concentrated in a small percentage of the workforce, said Danziger. [The] rising tide has not lifted all boats, the economy has shifted so that a smaller portion of the population gets the increases, and the rest is simply happy to have jobs that experience no wage increase or income increases.


According to the recent Total Community Action study, poverty rates have remained stagnant in New Orleans in the last 40 years and even without the near total destruction of the city, have been the highest in the nation.


It would be ironic that it would take a disaster like this to focus [national attention] on this,


Rep. Mel Watt, R-N.C., and member of the Congressional Black Caucus (search), told FOXNews.com, Every area of our lives these disparities exist and we have tried to focus on them all year.


Minority populations left behind in many cities often suffer from bad schools and are at a real disadvantage compared to their suburban middle class and affluent counterparts, say experts.


The poverty differences by education, by race, by central city versus the suburbs, are long standing, said Danziger, who also said that by leaving New Orleans' most disadvantaged, immobile residents behind the hurricane clearly brought that into stark contrast.


The Urban Institute’s Zedlewski admits that over the last several years more resources have been focused on the symptoms of poverty — poor education and healthcare.


If you look at the long haul it is true progress has been made, she said, adding that more needs to be done, particularly in the African American community, regarding single motherhood, the high rate of incarcerated males and investing in adult education.


Swagel, who recently left his job as chief of staff for the White House Council of Economic Advisors (search), believes the current administration has put into place policies — notably tax cuts — that have stimulated growth and are benefiting middle and lower income families the most.


I would say our policies are on the right track, he said. They are working in the right direction, and we should not reverse course when things are improving.


Watt doesn't buy the tax cut stimulus scenario. As soon as this President came in and passing these massive tax cuts, [the poverty rate] turned and went in the opposite direction, he said. This administration is about supporting people of higher income and it makes no bones about it.


Meanwhile, thousands of displaced people from New Orleans are looking for jobs, and trying to begin new lives in places like Houston and Baton Rouge. Poverty advocates hope that in the long term, available education and job training opportunities, as well as the higher wages that have been promised by economists, aren't out of reach.


Katrina Reveals Poverty Reality





Katrina Reveals Poverty Reality

Friday, September 09, 2005

By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos















PHOTOS VIDEO














Click image to enlarge








STORIES




Stories of the grinding poverty among the survivors of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans vividly illustrate what many say is a forgotten truth of modern American life — that pockets of desperate poverty still exist in a country of unsurpassed wealth and privilege.


Underscoring that reality, a report by the U.S. Census Bureau (search) released the same week Katrina hit the nation's southeast announced that the national poverty rate rose for the fourth straight year despite continuing growth in production and political rhetoric that the nation's economy is on the upswing.


Click here to read the U.S. Census Bureau's report.


According to that report, the number of Americans living under the poverty line grew by 1.1 million in 2004 for a total of 37 million people nationwide. That equals 12.7 percent of the total U.S. population. It is the fourth annual increase.


[Poverty] is a problem in America that hasn't gone away — it just went underground for a while, and it shouldn't have, said Sheila Zedlewski, director of the Urban Institute's Income and Benefits Policy Center.


Through images of the predominantly black residents of New Orleans pleading for help, leaving destroyed homes with nothing but the clothes on their backs, America got a wake-up call according to Sheldon Danziger at the National Poverty Center at the University of Michigan.


No posts regarding war, poverty, health care....
only bush bashing. Don't pretend you actuallyt talk about issues here. You don't.
I'll take socialism over abject poverty....
And that's where we are headed - all due to that big fat present waiting on Obama's desk when he was sworn in. Socialism would be a welcome relief. At least I could go to the freakin' doctor.
Oh, those poor, poverty stricken CEOs. I really feel for them all.
How DO they survive???
Exactly...but Obama is still pushing his Global Poverty Bill.....
It is designed to send BILLIONS of our hard earned dollars to Africa and other 3rd world countries to cut poverty there by half.

How can he cut their poverty by half?? He should be worrying about OUR poverty. Which is a telling point in my mind. Why is Obama so bent on giving OUR money away? I don't know about you, but I don't need the govt' telling what to do or not do with my money. I earned it, I have the final decision.
If his tax plan scares you, check out his Global Poverty Act. Link inside.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
What's it called?
It's called LYING.
Uh, maybe that's why it's called
What's more he/she/it started out with a sarcastic remark of *aren't we worthy*? You sound like crybabies. Liberal board is for liberal people. Now is that so hard?
Nobody was called (nm)

x


He should be called on this and often...nm
While he stands up there being the hypocrite he is.
I am the one who called him that. sm
I stand by what I said.  He may not have raped Kathleen Willey or Paula Jones, but he may as well have. I totally believe he did rape Juanita Broaddick. 
and you won't be called (nor have I)

They call mostly Democrats and "likely voters."  Rasmussen, Gallup, and Daily Tracking are the most reputable ones, but even so, I ignore them.


Also, keep in mind that being on the no-call list prevents you from being called unless I'm mistaken.


You called it yourself--- not me!
 Vote Away
He actually called him ......(sm)
a *house negro* as well as Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.  He also said he was no Malcom X and was betraying the Islam faith.  I haven't heard Obama's reaction yet, but I think it's kind of funny.  The terminology is outdated and laughable, and who wants to be like Malcolm X?    Was the reference to Malcolm X supposed to be an insult or a compliment?
It's called........... sm
disillusionment and resignation, GP. The more I read about the whole BC thing and now hearing that the SCOTUS has delayed the hearing another 5 days, I guess I am resigned to the idea that nothing is going to stand in the way of Obama....not the Constitution and not the voice of the people. I kind of look at the Constitution as I do the Bible and sin. A sin is a sin to God (excepting one) and breaking one part of the Constitution is breaking the whole thing. Call me gloom and doom if you want, but I have come to the realization that we are not living in a democracy or a republic. We are living in a political machine that operates at its whim without regard for our country's most basic foundations.

On the Clinton-Obama front, like I said. It should be interesting, to say the least, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Hillary is getting something more out of this than just the letters SOS out beside her name. There is more that goes on in Washington than is dreamed of by mere residents (I won't even use the word "citizens") of this once great nation.

Pardon my sardonic pessimism this morning. lol
That's called....(sm)
They'll get it however they can.  Check this out.  We have a double lot (just enough to keep me busy with a garden...lol).  When we bought the place there was a really old shed at the back of the property.  It was built probably about 40-50 years ago.  This thing was literally falling down, dirt floors.....completely in shambles and definitely not inhabitable.  We knew we would have to tear it down when we moved here.  So, we noticed on the assessment that 2K of the state assessment was attributed to that shed.  Yeah right.  We didn't need anything more than a sledge hammer and a crowbar to tear it down.  So, after we took it down we had them come out for a re-assessment.  They took $200 off the assessment value.  Hmmmm.....  Yeah, I raised cane with them but it didn't do any good.  I've been planning on putting a greenhouse out there.  I can't wait to see what happens with that.
No, that is just called being a
nm
That's called....(sm)
Let's scare the public into thinking the stimulus is evil.  What a joke!  That's almost as good as Steele saying the stimulus doesn't create jobs, it creates work.  Talk about grasping at straws....
Unless you would like to be called
the "c" word (4 letters ends with "t"), then I would think twice.

This is highly offensive to some people and you know this. Reading your post is like dealing with my children who are 5 and 6 years old. One instigates the other calling each other names to lure the other into a fight. The difference though is my 5 and 6 year old are more mature than you are and understand the concept of playing nicely and treating each other with respectfully. They understand if they've said something that hurts the others feelings they will say they are sorry. Something you obviously don't understand. And after reading that you adore and hang onto every word Keith Oberfool has to say and you let him tell you how to think and what to say and do, I had to read no further than your first sentence.

Posters on this board have been disrespectful towards others. You think your aiding your cause by calling us teabaggers? Think again. You think your aiding your cause by saying anyone who participated is a racist? Well the laugh is on you because in these crowds of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people I saw plenty of black people. Go ahead, tell them they are racist.

You know I do hope you keep it up, I do hope Oberfool an the other moe-rons at BSNBC keep having guests on like this piece of garbage Gorofool. You wouldn't see the truth if it slapped you in the face. Go ahead and laugh it up, because I'm right there smiling all the way to the elections next year. So go ahead keep calling us names. The laugh will be on you.
First of all, don't believe I called you

JTBB now did I?  I don't think so.  Secondly, I was being comical when I said I too have sleep deprivation, etc.  Loosen up a bit.  Dang.  I think you need to take a Xanax and chill out a bit.  Sheesh.


Regardless of my joking, which you obviously didn't get, I have no sympathy for people who want us dead. 


LOL, and you called me a bigot up above, so
x
GT, you have called me a bigot....
on this board at least 10 times.  Who's the one who generalizes here?  I can guarantee you that if I'm guilty, I'm certainly not alone.  Oh yes, all Republicans are rich and living behind gates, ignoring the plight of the poor.  Bull pucky.  Talk about a sweeping generalization.  I don't live behind a gate, I don't live in a fancy house, we make a decent income but are certainly not rich, and guess what?  We're not even religious.   You want equality for everybody?  Well, that isn't something that is given to you, it's something you work for.  My husband spent 7-1/2 yrs in college and got a master's degree, and worked his way through the whole thing at a gas station paying for it himself.  We work long hours.  There are people who refuse to value education, refuse to work hard, and just want a hand out.  That's a fact.  There have always been the poor and there always will be.  We've poured TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of dollars into programs for the poor over the last 40 years and the poverty rate is basically the same.  To succeed takes effort.
It's called the TRUTH!!!

I think it's called the First Amendment.

The poster isn't *getting away* with anything.  He/she is exerting his/her constitutional right to form and voice an opinion.  Just so happens what the poster said is true about Bush having the Saudis being escorted out of the U.S., and if I remember correctly, some of those escorted were relatives of Bin Laden.


Like I said, the poster isn't *gettin away* with anything because the poster hasn't done anything wrong.   The person who has *gotten away* with a lot of illegal, immoral, unethical acts is Bush.


And *voila* had to be called down
Because he/she responded in profanity when her/his views were disputed. And know a lot PK. I know A LOT about your posting habits more than you could ever imagine.

Had they called me, there would be one more vote!

Yes, but we are the ones who are called intolerant. sm
Also, notice how the guys holding the sign have their faces covered.  Cowards all of them.
Which is exactly why Bush called for...
conservation...or a reduction in use of oil, in his state of the union address, not a complete changeover. You can't fix anything overnight, and scaring people into it and causing even more damage, as this article describes, is NOT the way to do it, and those hawking global warming KNOW that, but it is typical socialism ploy...you get everyone on board by screaming *they are trying to hurt you but WE will save you.* New cause, same song, second verse.
It's called fraud
I happened to get a call from the police in Arizona a few months ago. I have always lived in Ohio. It seems someone (several someones actually) had LISTS of people across the country of personal info, account numbers, passwords, email addresses, etc. pretty much everything you need, even machines to make the credit cards and license IDs. Arizona puts the fraudsters away just for having this info without your permission. Apparently they had a large fraud bust out there and they don't waste their time on proving what they did with it. YEA ARIZONA!
Thanks. It's called sacrifice.
Baby did not ask to be here. I made that choice.
It's called Google. If you want to know...
information is there. I also have a dear friend who spent most of her life there.
It's called a debate...nm
.
Its called multitasking. :)
As to what I make...a living.
it's called recycling all the

talking points, trying to catch any newcomers to the political issues.


 


you called me indoctrinated and

claimed I have a poster above my desk.  those are personal attacks.  Do not attack me personally.  Stick to the issues as required on this board.


 


It's called the Amero...

The new currency will be called the Amero if they create the North American Union (the merger of Canada, USA, and Mexico). (Amero for the NAU and Euro for the EU.)  The deadline for the merger has been set at 2010. We will completely lose our national sovereignty. The U.S. Constitution, which has already been flushed down the crapper, will be completely moot. A Tribunal will replace the United States Supreme Court. Expect gun confiscation shortly before or after creation of the NAU.


Then again they may bypass that step and go straight to the wordwide currency, the Phoenix.


This stuff has been in the works for years. We have their documents... The globalist politicians have been consistently denying it (my Senators are two -- one of whom is McCain), but there are a few heroes in Congress. BTW, Obama openly supported creation of the NAU in an op-ed piece then turned around and feigned ignorance at a Town Hall meeting.


Since 2006 I have been called a "tin-foil-hat-wearing, paranoid conspiracy theorist" by countless sheeple. Unfortunately for all of us, soon enough they will see that my concerns were not unfounded....


Oh well, I did my part to try to sound the alarm. Too many Americans are dumbed down and complacent so there is no hope of saving her anyway.


I have never been called since 2000
to be included in a national poll. I'm Democrat. I answer all phone calls JUST to have my voice heard. Why haven't they called me?
Back in the 50s that was called
"grading on a curve."  Hardly the same as talking about money.  If you're comparing CEOs to common workers, that's no comparison.  I don't think anyone is planning to take money from someone making $30 an hour and dividing it up between someone making $10 an hour so that both would be making $20.  That's stretching the "redistribution of wealth" a little far donchathink?  On the other hand I wonder if you were making $50,000 a year would you really, really object if the CEO who was doing a sorry job and was being paid say 1 million a year, were to have say a mere $25,000 tax deducted and "redistributed" into your pocket.  Anyone want to say they wouldn't be happy to take that little contribution?  No?  I didn't think so.
Someone called ME dense s/m
Reading comprehension.  I was not and am not talking about SMALL businesses.
I am sure I will be called a racist, but
I really think that all the fuel needed was for a black man to run for president. That said, my problems with Obama lie in his policies, not his color.
Getting the so-called facts from
MSNBC are ya?  Once again.....another example of the liberal media telling falsehoods.  Palin draws in very large crowds wherever she goes.