Conservative Repubs rendered Clinton powerless
Posted By: mt on 2008-12-22
In Reply to: Bill Clinton gets part of the blame == refused to take out bin Laden...sm - can't blame Bush for everything
. . . because they were more interested in impeaching Clinton for getting head in the oval office than allowing him to carry out his presidential duties. Blame the republicans for a lame duck presidency in the last years of the Clinton administration.
Obama is shrewd, savvy, honest, and the repubs are not going to be able to touch him. They'll try . . . but it's a waste of time.
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speaking of powerless
Obama gets voted in and Dems run the House, Senate, and WH. Use your imagination to see how far left this country goes.
If people want to live in socialism, leave the USA as it was established (capitalism). Go to France, etc. since it's such a great way to live.
Once either one is elected we are pretty much powerless...
to hold anyone's feet to the fire. However, the Obama adoring masses here will make excuses no matter how many mistakes he makes or how many promises he does not fulfill. Toe that party line. If you criticize him for not doing what he said he would do, you will be a lonely voice of one I'm afraid.
Yes, I will be watching McCain/Palin to see if they keep campaign promises. Because if someone does not find a way to work in a bipartisan manner, both parties are going to continue messing us over and doing what is best for their pocketbooks and political careers. They need to forget party after the election and get about the people's business. And only one candidate has said right up front he will be on them to make them do that. That is why I am voting for him.
From a national security standpoint, I think Obama is a huge, huge mistake.
That being said...yes, I will be watching.
I'm in the powerless hazel crowd too. Very sad.
Couldn't we get some blue contacts and work some voodoo, too? That cluck in Brazil would never know the difference.
Conservative vs true conservative
The Conservative:
I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government, except for:
1. Social Security;
2. Medicare;
3. Medicaid;
4. Welfare;
5. Drug laws;
6. Public schooling;
7. Federal grants;
8. Economic regulations;
9. Minimum-wage laws and price controls;
10. Federal Reserve System;
11. Paper money;
12. Income taxation and the IRS;
13. Trade restrictions;
14. Immigration controls;
15. Foreign aid;
16. Foreign wars of aggression;
17. Foreign occupations;
18. An overseas military empire;
19. A standing army and a military industrial complex;
20. Infringements on civil liberties;
21. Military detentions and denial of due process and jury trials for
citizens
and non-citizens accused of crimes;
22. Torture and sex abuse of prisoners;
23. Secret kidnappings and renditions to brutal foreign regimes for
purposes of torture;
24. Secret torture centers around the world;
25. Secret courts and secret judicial proceedings;
26. Warrantless wiretapping of citizens and non-citizens;
27. Violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights for purposes of
national security;
28. Out-of-control federal spending to pay for all this.
The Libertarian (true conservative):
I'm a libertarian. I believe in individual liberty, free markets,
private
property, and limited government. Period. No exceptions.
Just when you think Repubs
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,1106213,00.html
Saturday, Sep. 17, 2005
Looking for a Corpse to Make a Case
Senators look for a wealthy casualty of Katrina as evidence against the estate tax
By MASSIMO CALABRESI
Federal troops aren't the only ones looking for bodies on the Gulf Coast. On Sept. 9, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions called his old law professor Harold Apolinsky, co-author of Sessions' legislation repealing the federal estate tax, which was encountering sudden resistance on the Hill. Sessions had an idea to revitalize their cause, which he left on Apolinsky's voice mail: [Arizona Sen.] Jon Kyl and I were talking about the estate tax. If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with.
If legislative ambulance chasing looks like a desperate measure, for the backers of repealing the estate tax, these are desperate times. Just three weeks ago, their long-sought goal of repeal seemed within reach, but Katrina dashed their hopes when Republican leaders put off an expected vote. After hearing from Sessions, Apolinsky, an estate tax lawyer who says his firm includes three multi-billionaires among its clients, mobilized the American Family Business Institute, a Washington-based group devoted to estate tax repeal. They reached out to members along the Gulf Coast to hunt for the dead.
It's been hard. Only a tiny percentage of people are affected by the estate tax—in 2001 only 534 Alabamans were subject to it. And for Hill backers of repeal, that's only part of the problem. Last year, the tax brought in $24.8 billion to the federal government. With Katrina's cost soaring, estate tax opponents need to find a way to make up the potential lost income. For now, getting repeal back on the agenda may depend on Apolinsky and his team of estate-sniffing sleuths, who are searching Internet obituaries among other places. Has he found any victims of both the hurricane and the estate tax? Not yet, Apolinsky says. But I'm still looking.—with reporting by Amanda Ripley/Washington
And the Repubs don't?
repubs
America most certainly won. What planet have you all been living on for the past eight years??? The last administration did NOTHING for us. How do you think we got in this big mess - you really have to stop watching Fox noise and start looking at all the facts.
Repubs love that pig sty!
Let the dukey fly,I say - there was too much one-sided flinging back in the 90s and the Cons weren't the ones getting dirty.
What I find really amusing is that the Cons want to smirk and say go ahead and indict - we'll just indict you for all your nasty little crimes too! - as if that's a bad thing:) Repubs don't seem to realize that the Dems don't support criminality in their leaders the way Cons worship it in their own.
Asking Repubs to use imagination?
Exercise in futility - as you can see by the comments below, they don't seem interested in imagining what is happening to their own country. Actually sometimes I think they don't give a XXXX. Spying on Americans, arresting dissenters, confirming activist judges with pro-corporate, pro-governmental-power agendas, trashing the Constitution in favor of fabricated time of war emergency - all that's just dandy. Goes right along with how they think the USA should be. Why bother themselves to imagine where all this leads?
And, why bother themselves to consider what major role they are playing in assisting and abetting the murder of America?
La de da, all's great in Bushworld - why think at all?
Filibustering is what repubs do best.
I see this on the other message boards as well, I believe it is actually coordinated, to monopolize the discussion, to sway undecided voters maybe or convince themselves that we are the ones who are wrong.
It is exasperating. I block most of them when I can and do not engage unless someone writes "I'd vote for George again in a second." Then, well, I have to slap them with a response but it is hopeless, they don't even hear.
There are two Americas now, the rich and the poor, the pro-choice and pro-"what happens in your uterus is my business and don't you forget it."
Best advice: Do not engage.
Repubs always gripe about "politicizing" -
I would venture to guess that the Kings know more than any nay-sayer about politics and how it can affect a life - no reason whatsoever to exclude politics from a service in Mrs. King's honor. And judging by the reactions of the crowd, all comments were received in the spirit offered and were much agreed with and appreciated. You don't give standing ovations otherwise.
In mentioning long, lengthy, hop-on-the-bandwagon, take-every-chance-to-get-your-word-in, excessively drawn-out and tiresomely-exaggerated, politicized and moronic tripe-ridden ceremonies however, one name does come to mind.... Reagan! Now I think he was a decent guy, even if he chose to ignore the sharks and jackals around him who were busy at genocide - but weeks and weeks? Seven hours would have been just fine for that one too, I'm sure you'd agree.
Sheez! How do Repubs defend this?
Boggles the mind! But also learned another curious thing tonight - several people have told me they can't buy any ammunition for their guns, I think they told me AR15's or whatever the civilian model of an M16 is? - they said the rounds are not available by mail or at stores and they are told it's all being stopped at the ports and sent to Iraq. Say what??
Anybody else having a similar experience or know anything else about this? Would be curious to know if the situation in Iraq is really so bad that all civilian ammo has to be confiscated so it can be sent there.
Sounds similar to what some Repubs. were
doing to some Jewish people.
This is one case where the Repubs are in the clear...
this is a Dem mess. Lay it right at the feet of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the dems who blocked reform on Fannie/Freddie at least 2 times when Alan Greenspan, John Snow, John McCain and the Bush admin telling them this exact thing was going to happen. It is all on video. I would cut them a modicum of slack if they at least admitted it, but oh no...it's all the republicans fault. Geez! How anyone could vote for ANY Democrat this round is beyond me. If I was a Democrat I wouldn't be voting for them either. At least 92 of them are worried about their jobs because the people are so PO'ed about it...they voted against it. And had Pelosi not come out BEFORE the vote tearing the hide of republicans in strips and blaming them for it yet again...she messed in her own nest. A bunch of Republicans weren't going to vote for it anyway, but the ones who would have didn't.
Need advice from Dems and Repubs sm
I am a swing voter. I am one who is on the fence about who to vote for. Here is my problem. I am finding that this year's presidential election is separating people. Republicans seem to be a little angrier lately since Obama leads in the pools. Dems are not as angry BUT they are very firm in their political choice. I am finding that I cannot have a discussion with anyone about this election. If I say anything about Palin, repubs jump all over me. If I question Biden, dems are horrified. I do want to vote. I will figure it all out through my own research. My question for everyone today is how do I stay friends with people during all this? Any words of advice will be appreciated as I found my self in tears this morning.
None of the repubs can spell..!!! It's "despicable." nm
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Voter suppression is not just done by Repubs.
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The repubs were rabid right before the election and sm
I decided to leave until I could come back and rub it in. Here I am to all those who had their fake "poll" saying McCain would win... I am laughing so hard and you know.. he who laughs last, laughs best. WE WON WE WON WE WON... you were WRONG. Obama DID WIN.
Wow, I guess repubs really can't handle a little
You would prefer the rovian style of of GWB & DC dishonest fearmongering to fact? O is not offering up some mushroom cloud ultimatum of do it his way or face doom. He is simply proffering that things are probably going to get worse before they get better, which is also what any reputable economist is saying. There is no quick fix for what we have allowed to happen to our country.
Because the repubs are anti abortion nm
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Yahoo! And now all the repubs are going to squirm because they say....sm
The Iraq war was not a republican idea... the Iraq war was not about oil. Even dopey Palin admitted it was for oil.
THANK GOD WE HAVE OBAMA to get us right with the world!
Dont expect FOX Repubs to understand
your post, which was mostly right on!
Anyone who can watch FOX and *not* see the blatent attempt to TELL ITS VIEWERS what they want to hear INSTEAD of the truth must be downright stoopid. Come on get a clue: The 'teleprompter readers' just get prettier while the content gets more embarrassing. Are Americans THAT easily manipulated?
For the record though ALL MAINSTREAM media is purposefully designed to keep Americans ignorant about what is really going on - no wonder much of the rest of the world has such disdain for us: We are often not only wilfully ignorant in this country, we're arrogant about it to boot!
Question: When repubs. speak (or write), why is every
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Pure garbage. I actually think the repubs leaked that...sm
personal baloney about Sarah to gain her the sympathy vote.
This is the reason repubs are trying to bash Acorn sm
Acorn had paid people signing up new voters. The people signed up a lot of fakes because they were paid by the number of new voters they signed on. The fakes cannot vote so there is no threat. What the repubs are building a case about is that Acorn is criminal (which they are NOT) and repubs want to throw out all those millions of new voters. Because the landslide is going to be so humiliating. Even throwing out Acorn wouldn't help McCain.
I am comparing SP to other repubs - not democrats - in my question - nm
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Dear Satan Claws, you repubs .......sm
I know that a moniker is anonymous but at least the people who use the same monikers over and over aren't hiding as much as you cowards.
Satan Claws.
You Repubs and your angry rants are PITIFUL.
You Lost. You are no longer in power. America repudiated your hate, greed, racism and just generally STUPIDITY. Get over it!! Take your ball and GO HOME!
Wow, and now the Repubs claim to communicate with the Dead!
You Repubs are really embarrassing yourselves with your childish behavior. It is so, so sad to see SORE LOSERS!!! Please, grow up and GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT!
Suddenly the Repubs are worried about the political divide?
Oooh yeah, that's believable. Now that the ball has most definitely flown your court, you want to make sure EVERYBODY plays by the rules. Well let us tell you, the time to be polite was years ago, bucko, and your side blew its credibility in that respect. It was your senseless rampages that tore the political fabric of this nation from stem to stern - over NOTHING. So just sit back, shutty as they say on the main board, and take it on the chin like you deserve.
No, shallow Sally. Repubs are smart, but lefties
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He was on a board with Ayres and so were plenty of repubs, no biggie
I dated someone who was a liar and I'm not a liar. This is just a bunch of crap because they can't get anything on My SWEET OBIE.
Hatred is only shown by repubs on this board. PALIN IS NOT QUALIFIED and it has nothing to do with
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It will take YEARS for repubs to recover from PALIN AND BUSH AND FOX NEWS... sm
Because they have demeaned themselves and truly hurt the republican party.
Does Fox ever say anything nice or true or helpful to repubs and dems alike? nm
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Dems and Repubs don't run this country anymore. AIPAC and corp. America are calling the shots
as they have all the money. Scary, isn't it? That means defending Israel in the middle east as they antagonize Iran and those in the Palestinian state. It also means feeding the corporate machine with money which is siphoned into the CEO. The retirement funds in Wall Street is going to end up in their pockets before this show is over.
I am leaving for Canada, the New America, if McCain is elected.
Many repubs voting for Obama in my experience..OR NOT VOTING ..only
only a few stragglers left, like the 26 percent who don't hate Bush.
USA is hardly conservative (ha!)
and no I'm not unsettled. I am firm and settled in my beliefs. You can live in your dreamworld that the conservatives are coming unglued, but you are living in an alternate universe.
USA right leaning. You gave a good laugh!
If you think CNN is at all conservative....
'Nuff said. LOL.
What exactly is the conservative way?
I'd much rather be a conservative....
than an "anything goes" liberal. Yeah, we make mistakes sometimes, and we're not perfect, but at least we have a goal we're striving for. And for every conservative you ridicule, I could name 5 liberals that did the same thing but the media doesn't make a big thing about it. Of course, if it's a conservative, it's broadcast 24/7 - like Sanford - but the Edwards affair was actually covered up by the mainstream media and got no attention until the National Enquirer forced it into the open. Selective outrage, anyone?
What about what YOU said on the conservative board?
I try not to visit the bog of eternal stench. Funny though...sm
The very people who whine about "intelligent debate" now have whole threads devoted to crying to their mommy about being asked to be respectful. Pitiful.
Pardon ME?! Who ever said I was a conservative? sm
Why would you assume so very much. There were a lot of posts pro and con by veterans. The post I quoted was one that struck me because I was born and raised in Oklahoma and it was a soldier from Oklahoma. My goodness, what a huge brouhaha over one simple little post. Well, I certainly won't post here again.
Very easy to tell you're no conservative
or else you'd have mastered the art of "twisting" and wouldn't have such high regard for the truth.
Lesson 1: Visit the Conservative Board and study closely.
(Lesson 2 will follow as soon as you have successfully completed Lesson 1.)
Didn't you know that as a conservative....
We feel like well, if whoever nominates another liberal, well who knows what will happen. Half the country is happy to have a progressive and worry about another conservative, and half the country feels the same way about another liberal. From my observation, the liberals are so worried about conservative activism, when liberal activism is running rampant. Even in Vermont, The People did not vote for civil unions. Gay marriage wouldn't be voted in by We The People in ANY state, so activist judges are foisting it on us, state by state.
get on back conservative
So, conservative in liberal clothing poster, what is this post supposed to mean? You believe in a god..good for you, I believe in my god too and more power to the ones who dont believe in a god..To each their own..See, that is how liberals believe, to each their own, and by your post you show everyone you are truly not a liberal, you are a false poster, a conservative posting as a liberal..Bye, bye, sweetie..get on back to the conservative board.
This page alone looks like there are more conservative.sm
posts on here than liberal, if not the number would be pretty darn close.
I am more libertarian/conservative.sm
The conservatives in office now are too extreme for me in many areas.
No, he is not conservative - he is neoconservative. sm
There is a difference. Though he claims to be a conservative and christian, his policies and actions indicate otherwise. I think he might have a bit of difficulty getting into the pearly gates.
Same old conservative arguments
Well, if the posts of Democrat Liberals bother you so much (as seems to be from reading your posts), you dont have to post or read them here. I must remind you, this is the Liberal board. I look forward to read dialogue with the opposite view point, however, bringing up the same arguments is getting a bit old.
Take it to the conservative board.
You apparently have issues that are not going to be solved by endless bashing on a liberal board.
Although I may not like the rules on this board I am mature and courteous enough to at least try to follow them.
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