I don't think it's safe too share too much on here. SM
Posted By: MT on 2007-02-01
In Reply to: Thanks for this. - Teddy
I did it once and I was crucified for it. Won't do it again. Truthfully, and this is not meant to be mean, I don't think I would have much in common with most on this board at all.
Complete Discussion Below:  marks the location of current message within thread
The messages you are viewing
are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select
the boards given in left menu
Other related messages found in our database
If we can't share the wealth, we can at least share a laugh...nm
x
Less Safe
Bush and his group of neocons say we are more safe and secure due to his illegal war. That is so not true. We are less safe because of the Iraq war. We have created a terrorist breeding ground and a reason for people of other countries to hate us even more. I was shocked when the neocons linked up 9/11and Iraq. There was no connection whatsoever, yet so many Americans believed the lies. I can understand that a lot of Americans are not really into politics, gee, having to work two or three jobs, take care of a home and kids leaves little time..so we trust our leaders. Well, in this situation we should not have trusted our leaders. My motto always has been, **Question Authority**.
How exactly did he keep us safe?
What actual credible plot was derailed by him?
It is safe to say that his
future political career is in the dumpster. At least he admitted it when he got caught instead of lying under oath like Clinton and at least his wife wasn't dying of cancer like Edwards wife supposedly was....but whatever. Keep trashing pubs for mistakes that dems make all the time if it makes you feel better JTBB!
It is a shame that we have to hear about politicians doing this sort of thing and I do feel for his wife and kids. He will have to live with the consequences of his actions.
Agree with you, PK, but safe is only
a state of mind...just as is FREEDOM. We have no freedom anymore, face it! It's gone!, gone to the people who HATE US! Just dispicable. And the really sad truth, Bush didn't do this all by himself, he's TOO STUPID. For some reason, the higher echilon wants to be rid of the middle class which doesn't make much sense either as the middle class foots all of the bills. By the time we all figure this out, it will be WAY TOO LATE. Pessimistic? You bet I am. But, I just keep plugging away from day to day, doing the best I can, but waiting for the shoe to drop. At least we aren't in the dark, which is more than I can say about the other 25% of the American people.
I don't feel particularly safe -
I am not a Bush basher - I actually voted for him and have never once said that I should have voted differently. And you will not find one single bad comment about him on this board that has come from me.
That being said, from things I have been reading that are going on in the administration right now, I am really worried about how much damage can be done and how long it will take to fix that damage.
I felt the same way when Hillary/Bill left the white house - they screwed up a lot in those last days and that is one reason why Hillary did not get my vote this time.
I feel like Bush has actually done a pretty good job over all with all the problems he had to face during his 8 years - never said otherwise...
Bush Kept us Safe?
You are sadly mistaken. We're lucky he didn't get us blown off the face of the earth. Read history, don't try to rewrite it.
Who was keeping us safe before
9/11? So tired of hearing this crap. This was the first time ever (not this present president on watch) that the US was attacked on its own land and yet you talk about since 9/11. Why not even before then?? I think the attitude of most on here sucks. All chicken littles, scared. booooooo. See, made you jump.
Praying for his safe return....nm
I sure hope you are right because I sure do not feel safe. sm
Have you heard this one?
The 19 little Arabs who hated our freedoms and got by NORAD.
Happy Holidays everyone & be safe.nm
z
NY Safe Demo State
I wouldn't put any stock into NY being a "safe" democratic state. A lot of people I know who were pro-democraft are now going to vote for McCain. I live in Western NY
Agreed! Glad we have been safe.
nm
for new pres foremost, to keep us safe.
x
Good for you. Everyone should feel safe. nm
nm
I feel safe and am grateful for that.
nm
and happy and safe Thanksgiving to you also - nm
x
Baloney...George W. did not keep us safe from anything!
He is leaving office with the United States in shambles.
I have heard and read about how he kept safe
Well, 9/11 happened while he WAS president, what about that or is that not considered. The absolute worst event on US soil by us being attacked. Give me a break!
I'm glad our country has been kept safe and
I am free to do what I want when I want. My life has not changed. Do I feel safer because of the polices put in place...you bet! I thank my lucky stars we have policies in place that keep us safe. That when a plan is happening to destroy the country they can get to it before it comes to fruition.
As for your calls being listened to....that happened many many years ago. I do believe it happened during the Regan years (I'll be honest and tell you I can't find anything on the internet as to when it actually started) but I know for a fact it was happening during the Clinton administration.
Wonder how many who worked at the WTC felt safe on 9/10/01?
I'd bet about 100%. Doesn't mean much, does it? In fact, the majority are often wrong when it comes to things like this.
Gosh, this site might not be safe since you have IP information!!!
how does it feel?
I don't think it is safe to ignore people like Chomsky. sm
I have never been a head in the sand kind of person. Especially when Hugo Chavez holds him up (as well as his book) as a shining example when speaking to the UN.
To be safe from terrorists and nukes from Iran
x
Yes, am happy to still be safe and free. Hope
nm
Bush kept us safe after 9-11. Economy was great
nm
The OP said that Cheney said Obama could not keep us safe and could he now say "I told you so"
To me, that sounds like they are laying blame at Obama's feet for the flu. If I misread, then I apologize, but that is the way it came to me.
So how did the Cheney comment fit in except to say that Obama was not keeping us safe from this flu?
x
Thank you, President Bush, for your service and especially for keeping us safe at home. nm
Please share, then
Please share who they really are, since you seem to know. I've been following this board for 4 years or so and I surely don't know who this poster is. Whoever they are, though, they speak the truth about your postings, Observer. You are not always the "lively" debater you claim to be when you utilize sarcasm, accusation and put-down so frequently.
I do notice that the posters from the Conservative board repeatedly accuse the posters on the Liberal board as all being the same person. Dream on.
probably not- they just share
the same talking points.
okay, let me share something with you
I found myself alone and with two children with NO child support for quite a while and YES, it does stink but you know I found a job and continued to better myself, eventually receiving a little over $200 a MONTH in child support for 2 children. Now, I don't blame anyone for my situation. I made some poor choices along the way and I PICKED MYSELF BACK UP, prayed,and did the best I could. I received AFCD for ONE MONTH... I received food stamps for ONE MONTH and after that the only other thing that helped me was a little bit of help to cover what my insurance through work didn't cover for my children; that lasted about a year. After that, not a thing... I was back on my feet, I was making better money and working two jobs, one from home. There is all sorts of help out there already and it is awful nice that it was there to help me and my children in our time of need but ya know what?? I was grateful for that. I never once thought I was owed that help and never once complained when that help stopped.
I also know a couple of people who took advantage of the financial aid for school, etc. and when they were done they were able to make the money they needed to survive.
I feel for your daughter, I really do..... but it will get better if she keeps going and strives for more than the $10/hour job.... raise her expectations a little bit and she will get there.... You know no one said this life was going to be easy and I've had my share of hardships too, mostly brought on by poor choices. I will pray for your daughter this evening and I hope things will get better for her.
There are good people out and there may be room for more help to the ones who are helping themselves if the ones who are not willing to change their circumstances and are satisfied with all the help they get continue to live off the taxpayers' money.
IMO if someone is receiving ANY kind of government assistance, they need to be drug tested and made to be accountable for every cent they receive. If they can't NO MORE HELP. PERIOD.
There are plenty of people out there on disability for back injuries for instance who are collecting a check and who knows what else YET they go out and paint houses or do construction work and get paid under the table. Do you know that in Indiana, if you receive disability, once you are approved, they do not check again, unless they have received a complaint and even then, no guarantee they would lose it. Funny how I personally know someone who applied for disability and received it within 2 months and I know another person who had to use continuous oxygen and had other real medical issues that kept him from working and he had to appeal a denial for two years, after having to retain an attorney, before they would approve his. There is something definitely wrong with that picture.
Also, there are so many people in the grocery line, using their WIC or food debit cards and then go outside to a nicer car than I have... maybe it's a relatives, who knows? But they are dressed in nice clothes and eating steak and high $$$ food that I can't always fit into our budget, and I see them with 5 kids.
Some people learn from their mistakes and some people don't think they have made mistakes and continue to manipulate the system and quite frankly it disgusts me.
Sorry this is so long, I haven't even said everything I would like, but I sincerely hope something works out for your daughter.
I would try if you had any to share.
x
Thanks, that was great. May I share
You've probably already read it, but it's worth reading more than once.
We’re Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
How did the Party of Lincoln and Liberty transmogrify into the party of Newt Gingrich’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk?
By Garrison Keillor August 26, 2004
Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned—and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today’s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.
In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. “Bipartisanship is another term of date rape,” says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.
The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous.
Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.
Here in 2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform of tragedy—the single greatest failure of national defense in our history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House fought to keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the hubcaps, thanks to generous tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to lead us into a box canyon of debt that will render government impotent, even as we engage in a war against a small country that was undertaken for the president’s personal satisfaction but sold to the American public on the basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose purpose is to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking place in this country, flowing upward, and the deception is working beautifully.
The concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the death knell of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has survived this. The election of 2004 will say something about what happens to ours. The omens are not good.
Our beloved land has been fogged with fear—fear, the greatest political strategy ever. An ominous silence, distant sirens, a drumbeat of whispered warnings and alarms to keep the public uneasy and silence the opposition. And in a time of vague fear, you can appoint bullet-brained judges, strip the bark off the Constitution, eviscerate federal regulatory agencies, bring public education to a standstill, stupefy the press, lavish gorgeous tax breaks on the rich.
There is a stink drifting through this election year. It isn’t the Florida recount or the Supreme Court decision. No, it’s 9/11 that we keep coming back to. It wasn’t the “end of innocence,” or a turning point in our history, or a cosmic occurrence, it was an event, a lapse of security. And patriotism shouldn’t prevent people from asking hard questions of the man who was purportedly in charge of national security at the time.
Whenever I think of those New Yorkers hurrying along Park Place or getting off the No.1 Broadway local, hustling toward their office on the 90th floor, the morning paper under their arms, I think of that non-reader George W. Bush and how he hopes to exploit those people with a little economic uptick, maybe the capture of Osama, cruise to victory in November and proceed to get some serious nation-changing done in his second term.
This year, as in the past, Republicans will portray us Democrats as embittered academics, desiccated Unitarians, whacked-out hippies and communards, people who talk to telephone poles, the party of the Deadheads. They will wave enormous flags and wow over and over the footage of firemen in the wreckage of the World Trade Center and bodies being carried out and they will lie about their economic policies with astonishing enthusiasm.
The Union is what needs defending this year. Government of Enron and by Halliburton and for the Southern Baptists is not the same as what Lincoln spoke of. This gang of Pithecanthropus Republicanii has humbugged us to death on terrorism and tax cuts for the comfy and school prayer and flag burning and claimed the right to know what books we read and to dump their sewage upstream from the town and clear-cut the forests and gut the IRS and mark up the constitution on behalf of intolerance and promote the corporate takeover of the public airwaves and to hell with anybody who opposes them.
This is a great country, and it wasn’t made so by angry people. We have a sacred duty to bequeath it to our grandchildren in better shape than however we found it. We have a long way to go and we’re not getting any younger.
Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It’s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning.
Please share with me how I'm 100% wrong here.
.
I do not share your minimization....
of a very accomplished woman. And I agree that the American people are intelligent enough to realize that fact.
Obama = socialism and redistribution of wealth, and all his "plans" will stick a knife in the heart of an already challenged economy.
NOBAMA. :)
I don't share her views but no need to ban her. nm
Website I'd like to share...
Disclaimer: It will probably not appeal to the McCain supporters, so need for you make snarky remarks about it.
I don't even know how I ended up at this site, but it has so many topics on it, instead of recommending a link just to one or two, I'll give the whole page. Be sure to scroll down.
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/ (although I don't consider myself a 'wonk' LOL)
Try the home page too:
http://thinkprogress.org/
One of my favorite political websites, that I've been going to every day (and causing me to spend far less time on this board) is Talking Points Memo: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Would anyone else like to share their favorite websites that are lib or nonpartisan? TIA
They share the SAME PHILOSOPHIES!!!
It has nothing to do with Ayers being an advisor, mentor etc. THEY SHARE THE SAME PHILOSOPHIES -- don't you guys get it????
maybe they can share technology....I would take one of these too!
http://www.teslamotors.com/
I wish I could share your confidence. (sm)
Bush made frequent use of "signing statements" in order to get what he wanted, and not all of them were publicized at the time. He would sign the bill and then add a little "P.S." that basically nullified it if Bush so chose.
If this vehicle is available to Obama, as well, then we may not know it for a while. 
Please be so kind as to share where
you get your information. I am interested in reading or watching what has you so concerned. My interpretation of current events is much different than yours appear to be.
Please share the stories of these
Poor mistreated, misguided kids. If this were happening, the nightly news would be flooded with stories, continuously, nonstop day in and day out. That's all you would hear. Please give us a break. You are breaking my heart...
of course I didn't share my feelings with my son, but thank you. nm
nm
I share your sentiments totally. sm
Some would see this as political from the get-go. They would read this and dismiss it saying, oh those stupid Republicans. It has not penetrated some of their conscious or subconscious thinking that there really is more to this than politics. The stakes are more than high. Historically, Muslims spread Islam barbarically and without mercy and were ony stopped from taking Europe by the Crusades. They are ready to spread again, only this time, it is the United States they have their eyes on. I found this article that I believe illustrates not only what will happen, but has a good understanding of what is happening now.
Preventing a Premature Exit From Iraq
By Ed Feulner
CNSNews.com Commentary
October 19, 2006
BAGHDAD (Jan. 21, 2009) -- Iraq's bloody civil war worsened today, when 10,000 heavily armed troops from the Shiite state of Shiastan pushed north from Najaf and Rumaythah. The attack threatened to trap three battalions of U.S.-backed Sunnis in the region.
The latest round of fighting has triggered a new wave of refugees into Kuwait and Jordan, the United Nations reported today. Millions of Iraqis have fled the country since American troops pulled out in 2006, a controversial withdrawal that al Qaeda celebrates as a watershed victory.
Word of today's offensive pushed crude oil prices to $210 per barrel, a new record, certain to cause problems for the newly inaugurated American president ...
All right, enough with the doom and gloom. The preceding paragraphs are fiction, but they reflect what's likely to happen if the United States pulls out of Iraq before the country is stabilized and able to function on its own. Unfortunately, some of our politicians want to do exactly that.
We believe that a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq should begin before the end of 2006, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid wrote in a letter both signed in August. Even if our task there remains unfinished?
As President Bush put it on Oct. 11, when you pull out before the job is done, that's cut and run as far as I'm concerned. And that's cut and run as far as most Americans are concerned.
Heritage Foundation experts James Carafano and James Phillips explained in a recent paper what's likely to happen if we withdraw quickly. Such a shortsighted U.S. policy would be a severe blow to the Iraqi security situation, Iraqi oil exports, U.S. allies in the region, the global war against terrorism and the future of all Iraqis, they write.
If we leave now, we'd leave the Iraqi army (with all its heavy weapons) up for grabs. That's likely to spark a civil war, as soldiers align themselves into religious and regional militias.
Under that scenario, we can expect Iran -- already a regional power -- to support the Shiite Muslims in the south, a move that would give Tehran control of most of Iraq's oil. Not that this would necessarily keep the oil flowing; as the civil war escalated, guerrillas would cut pipelines and blow up oil wells.
Right now, Iraq produces 2.5 million barrels of oil per day, and the country's government aims to increase that to 2.7 MBD by year's end. If production is disrupted, though, worldwide prices would skyrocket.
If we cut and run, Iraqi civilians would be the biggest losers. Millions would flee the starvation, disease and destruction that civil war brings. Meanwhile, al Qaeda would tout its role in forcing the U.S. out, providing a huge recruiting boom for the terrorist group.
This doesn't mean we should stay indefinitely. As they say, there are only two exit strategies from any war: A country can win and go home, or it can lose and go home. Either way, all our troops eventually will exit Iraq. What really matters is what they leave behind.
We've made progress in Iraq, and we'll continue to do so. Many of al Qaeda's senior leaders have been killed or captured and the group's popularity among the Iraqis is low. We need to keep training Iraqi forces and preparing them to stand on their own.
In the long run, only Iraqis can assure the success of Iraq. But if, in the short run, we cut and run, we guarantee failure -- for them and for us. We can avoid the bleak future outlined above. But we must steel our resolve to get the job done right.
(Ed Feulner is the president of The Heritage Foundation, a Washington-based public policy research institute.
I share your concerns and agree
with everything you have said, but after having been in this business since the early 70s, I've learned never to expect anyone to speak up on behalf of MTs except the MTs themselves. I have never paid membership fees to AAMT and have never had the need to pay for certification, but I would pay MT union due in a heartbeat.
I expected that so where do you all get your info...please share so ...sm
we can all be on the same page here. I love how people criticize but back it up with nothing. And again I repeat...this is just ONE of the places I go to the ONLY place I go to.
So where do you go to get your info? DO TELL...
BTDT. Just thought you might want to share
nm
Sounds like we share the same governor...
don't even get me started on property taxes. Where is that decrease he promised?? lol. Shoulda known.
I'll share. Put this in your pipe
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fannie9-2008sep09,0,4063126.story
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs To Get Golden Parachutes"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090802605.html?hpid=topnews
"Ousted Fanny, Fredde CEOs Could Still See Big Paydays." Daniel Mudd (Fannie Mae) and Richard Syron (Freddie Mac), who are stepping down, have already made millions at the trouble mortgage giants and are expected to take away millions more.
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSWAT01001720080909
"Obama Dismayed on Big Fannie Freddie Exit Packages."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/business/24gret.html?em
"What Will Mac 'n' Mae Cost You and me?"
http://www.thesunsfinancialdiary.com/investing/fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-shares-are-worthless/
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Shares are Worthless." Do you know what's in your 401K, IRA, mutual funds?
I thought this was not about anyone's fair share...
they had the ability to pass it and get on with it, and chose not to. And the only reason for that is, they did not want a Democrat majority tied to a "Bush" bill. They hated him last week, and now all I hear is "We are trying to pass the President's bill..." That is just too weird, old-timer, I'm sorry.
|
