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• Obama was cool, while grouchy man steamed. Obama!!! - He won again!
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    • Yeah, I know...if McCain doesn't win the election, he'll probably steal it - with a little help from his friends.
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Healthcare reform is a much debated subject.  We, the great people of the United States, should adopt the attitude that we can set higher benchmarks in the area of healthcare.  Wouldn't that be something to be proud of?  The great difference between the liberal and conservative stance on healthcare is that we liberals view it as a human issue whereas the conservatives view it as a business. Who is right and who is wrong?  Depends on your personal point of view.  I am certainly not trying to change anyone's fundamental way of thinking, I only want to people to start talking about, researching it, talking to your friends, your neighbors, your family, your doctor, your representatives, and make up your own mind about to make a reality.  I am not endorsing any particular or single proposal that is currently on the table and I am certainly not attacking anyone in particular.

I'm one of the happiest people you'd ever want to meet. 

I just have zero tolerance and respect for people who exploit God and Jesus to further their own angry, hateful, lying platforms.

I was brought up to believe that God and Jesus represent love and peace and truth.  There is nothing about you or any of your posts that reflects those concepts.

I pray that you get help for the obvious anger, rage and hate and your total and absolute lack of ability to be straightforward and honest.  Instead, you seem to get much pleasure from stomping people into the ground and degrading them.  Poor you.

Maybe you're someone who used to have a life, but now you can't even afford to put gas in your car any more.  Maybe you're someone who used to be middle class but woke up one morning to find that your class is sinking (socioeconomic class, not your other obvious class deficiencies in how you treat people).  Maybe you can no longer afford to see your psychiatrist and/or take your antipsychotic medication due to the terrible state of America's healthcare system today. Maybe you used to get out of the house on weekends, but instead now you're forced to stay home because you can't afford to put gas in your car any more, and you're angry and need to take it out on someone, so you come here and flame liberals, instead of blaming the president that is running this country into the ground. But then you'd have to admit you were wrong for supporting him, and just like him, you can't admit you were wrong, right?

Either way, please try to get some help before your anger and rage consumes you any further and you wind up hurting yourself or someone else.  Perhaps I'm making it worse by confusing and angering you with the truth.  Perhaps it's best for us all if I don't respond to your attention-seeking any longer.

I certainly will pray for you, dear.  Please get help, and have a nice evening. 

Thursday, June 22, 2006

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Robertson suggests God smote Sharon

Evangelist links Israeli leader's stroke to 'dividing God's land'

(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.

He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,' Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, The 700 Club.

God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,' he said.

Robertson's show airs on the ABC Family cable network and claims about 1 million viewers daily.

Sharon, 77, clung to life in a Jerusalem hospital Thursday after surgery to treat a severe stroke, his doctors said.

The prime minister, who withdrew Israeli settlers and troops from Gaza and parts of the West Bank last summer over heated objections from his own Likud Party, was breathing with the aid of a ventilator after doctors operated to stop the bleeding in his brain.

In Washington, President Bush offered praise for Sharon in a speech on Thursday.

We pray for his recovery, Bush said. He's a good man, a strong man. A man who cared deeply about the security of the Israeli people, and a man who had a vision for peace. May God bless him.

Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, compared Robertson's remarks to the overheated rhetoric of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. (Full story)

He called the comments outrageous and said they were not something to expect from any of our friends.

He is a great friend of Israel and a great friend of Prime Minister Sharon himself, so I am very surprised, Ayalon told CNN.

Robertson, 75, founded the Christian Coalition and in 1988 failed in a bid for the Republican presidential nomination. He last stirred controversy in August, when he called for the assassination of Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez. (Full story)

Robertson later apologized, but still compared Chavez to Hitler and former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in the process.

The same month, the Anti-Defamation League criticized Robertson for warning that God would bring judgment against Israel for its withdrawal from Gaza, which it had occupied since the 1967 Mideast war.

Robertson said Thursday that Sharon was a very likable person, and I am sad to see him in this condition.

He linked Sharon's health problems to the 1995 assassination of Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin, who signed the Oslo peace accords that granted limited self-rule to Palestinians.

It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, now he's dead, Robertson said.

Rabin was gunned down by a religious student opposed to the Oslo accords. The killer, Yigal Amir, admitted to the crime and was sentenced to life in prison.

Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Robertson's comments Thursday, saying the televangelist has a political agenda for the entire world.

He seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda, Lynn said in a written statement.

A religious leader should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life, he said. I'm appalled.

Ralph Neas, president of liberal advocacy group People for the American Way, said it is astonishing that Pat Robertson still wields substantial influence in the Republican Party.

Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance, Neas said in a written statement.

According to The Associated Press, Robertson spokeswoman Angell Watts said of people who criticized the comments: What they're basically saying is, 'How dare Pat Robertson quote the Bible?'

This is what the word of God says, Watts told the AP. This is nothing new to the Christian community.

I live in a rural area, have three dogs and do weight training also!!!

Actually it is said by the experts that if you are inexperienced with a gun you're better off not having one.  It's kind of complex, but check out the info if you're interested. 

I used to have military mace (actually from when I lived in a big city) - not sure if it's available to the public - probably easier to use than a gun and just as effective.  Otherwise, not sure who we're supposed to be afraid of here.....I generally am not afraid of intruders and I don't have any weapons in my house other than my dogs and my mouth!!!

I can't wait to see what Fitzgerald's investigation unfolds.

Libby and Rove both were sources for the leak of Plame's occupation.

This was after Joe Wilson made public that Bush's claim that Saddam Hussein was purchasing uranium to make nukes was FALSE.  The administration KNEW it was false, yet Bush used this fake threat of nukes in his State of the Union address to scare the heebie-jeebies out of the American public so they would support this bogus war.

That's how Bushies handle people who cross them.  Don't DARE tell the truth or expose the administration for what it truly is.  If you do, they'll not only put the life of a CIA agent in danger, but every single person she worked with around the globe pertaining to WMD.  Why isn't this treason?  It's the Bush way of doing things, and Karl Rove is an expert and accomplished thug.

I hope this goes beyond Rove and Libby and goes straight to Bush and Cheney.  This is definitely an illegal war, brought on totally false premises, and Bush and Cheney should be personally held accountable for all the deaths (American and Iraqi) that have resulted from their lies.

It's truly sad when the only man on earth who can make Saddam look not so bad is GEORGE W. BUSH.  I'm very ashamed of my government.

I'm writing to my Congressman and Senator and see if this is true, express my objection and see if they can BOUNCE the *blank check* they gave him regarding Iraq and require Congressional approval for air strikes.

The article you posted included the following: 

After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the former official said, he was told that Bush felt that “God put me here” to deal with the war on terror. The President’s belief was fortified by the Republican sweep in the 2002 congressional elections; Bush saw the victory as a purposeful message from God that “he’s the man,” the former official said. Publicly, Bush depicted his reëlection as a referendum on the war; privately, he spoke of it as another manifestation of divine purpose.

Someone needs to tell Bush that God thinks Bush is too engulfed in his own ego to fully understand God's REAL message to him, and that's why God gave us POLLS.

I don't believe religious symbols of ANY kind belong in schools (unless they're religious schools) or government buildings.  If Walmart or Target wish to be inclusive to all religious beliefs, more power to them.  Private businesses should be free to do as they wish.  If they want to limit it to the religious Christmas and exclude the secular *Christmas,* some people might not want to shop in that kind of *exclusive* shop.  You can bet their profit margin is the bottom line for them.

For every religion out there, there are buildings:  churches, mosques, temples, etc. where like-minded people gather to worship.  Trying to control the very WORDS people say isn't going to work unless and until you guys figure out a way to implant a chip in every American that will force them to speak, think, believe and worship just like you do.  Maybe some of us think you'd do that if you had the ability, and maybe THAT'S the underlying thing that people are fighting.

That mental image HURTS.

I am so SICK of this man's lies.  Bush needs to get them straight.  When he said the following in 2004, he was clearly lying and KNEW IT, as we now all know.  I just wonder if there's ever been just ONE TIME in the last 5 years when he's actually told the truth.  Have you seen this?

Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order, he said on April 20, 2004 in Buffalo, New York.

Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so, he added.

On April 19, 2004, Bush said the Patriot Act enabled law-enforcement officials to use roving wiretaps, which are not fixed to a particular telephone, against terrorism, as they had been against organized crime.

You see, what that meant is if you got a wiretap by court order -- and by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example, he said in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

I totally agree this absolutely reaches across the board.  This monster repeatedly raped this child for 3 years, but the damage he's done to her is going to affect her entire life.  How about putting him in jail FOREVER so he can't hurt anyone else???  I also wouldn't have a problem with the death penalty for animals such as this.

I've recently seen this judge on TV, actually defending his actions, as if there is a defense for them.  Thank God for Bill O'Reilly (I don't usually care for him) and Joe Scarborough and Dan Abrams (and others, I'm sure) who are publicizing this.  Hopefully, this judge will be removed soon so maybe more children won't suffer.  This judge, in my opinion, is just as guilty as the molester himself.

I sat here, trying to put myself in the parents' shoes, and I wonder how many parents will begin to feel that taking the law into their own hands and killing these rabid animals is the only way to keep their children safe in lieu of a judge that cares more about the criminals than their victims.  If and when that happens, I'm not sure I could blame them.

I've written to Vermont's governor, as well.  I'm glad so many people are writing and publicizing this issue.  It's the only way things will change.

Number one, despite what is so *obvious* to you, I do not hate my country.  In fact, I miss it very much.  And I don't hate Bush because I don't *hate* anyone.  When he took over the Presidency, I began my impressions of him on an even keel.  Slowly, bit by bit, he has corroded any good impressions I ever may have had of him with his constant lying, dirty tricks, contempt for the Constitution, total and complete refusal to admit that he is NOT PERFECT, blatant disregard for the security of our borders, presiding over an econmy where people can barely afford gas but oil company executives get richer and richer, etc., etc.  I truly and sincerely believe he poses a HUGE threat to the security of every American citizen.

Regardless of what the Iranian President (his name is Ahmadinejad, by the way) claims to have, they don't have the capacity to nuke anyone, but the USA does, and Bush has a ZERO record when it comes to diplomacy.  Again, both Bush and Ahmadinejad are whack jobs, and neither can be reasoned with.  I believe this is a very dangerous combination of two out-of-control egos, and the end of humanity could very well be imminent.  I'm not going to apologize for caring if my grandchildren might not have the opportunity to reach voting age in this country because of a president who doesn't care about his legacy because, when asked, he said Who cares?  We'll all be dead, anyway.  That statement, combined with his love of war, I find to be quite chilling.

As far as being *lost in my world,* I can see very clearly a President who is losing more and more credibility, not on a daily basis any more but on an HOURLY basis.  I have ZERO faith or trust in this man.  Again, contrary to your implied intimate knowledge of me, my brain, my heart and my soul, these aren't because of any preconceived notions I might have about Bush.  These are because the actions of Bush himself.  As polls are evidencing more and more each day, I'm not alone in my skepticism of him.

Regarding where I got the quotes, if you are genuinely interested, I would suggest you Google them.  You've already indicated an inclination to not believe them, so I'm not going to waste my time by going back to the multiple sources I found, simply to provide you with a link that you've already decided not to believe.  If your interest is sincere, you'll look it up. 

Regarding your response to my *shopping spree* statement, I'm sorry, but it didn't come across as a joke to me.  It sounded like a negative character judgment regarding someone who doesn't agree with you, which is a common Neocon MO from Bush and his cronies all the way down to the lowest peon on the totem pole who is convinced Bush is on his or her side. 

Likewise, you can't possibly know the extent of my intelligence since you don't know me, have never met me and aren't qualified to offer such an opinion.  Inherent in your assessment that I'm *not that stupid* is the notion that you feel I do possess a certain degree of stupidity, which leads me to your comment that I feel I have to *label everyone who disagrees* with me as *uninformed and unthinking.*  I respectfully point out that these *labels* are YOUR words, not mine, and I would challenge you to point to those words in my above post to you. 

Have a very pleasant day.

I try to get my information from a variety of sources.  These days, it's hard to find a completely neutral source.

The main thing I'm interested in is finding the truth, and it seems that the party with the most to hide is the least likely to provide it.

When Clinton was President, I listened to a lot of right-leaning news sources for the very same reason.  I thought the lack of respect Clinton showed in the Oval Office was terrible, and I was actually in favor of impeaching him for that.  I didn't buy into and agree with the notion that what he did in his private life was his business.  In my opinion, the Oval Office doesn't belong to the President; it belongs to every American tax-paying citizen. 

I voted for Ronald Reagan, and to this day, I still think of him as a wonderful President.  Historians may disagree with me on that point, and they may be right, because I'm obviously no expert in that field.  I even voted for George Herbert Walker Bush, so I'm not some hardline lefty who hates the United States, is godless and has no moral values.

(I just wanted to share a thumbprint of who I really am because some people want to crucify me on this board simply because they see my name and couldn't care less what I have to say.  You, on the other hand, have been posting here in a very respectful, intelligent manner, and I'm very appreciative of that and hope you continue to do so.  I'm beginning to look forward to reading your posts after the last day or so.)

I believe that many people were looking for a big change in the White House when they voted for George W. Bush.  I believe they wanted some sense of decency and honor restored to it.  I was one of those people.

When I look back at the thing Clinton did that I thought was so terrible, and I look at what Bush has done, I guess the only thing I can say to sum it up is what Jay Leno said in his monologue the other night:  At least Clinton only screwed one American at a time (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it).

What amazes me the most about (what seems like) blind loyalty to Bush is that I wonder what they thought they were voting for, compared to what they got.  I thought Republicans (conservatives) were supposed to beiin favor of less spending, smaller federal government and fiscal responsibility.  After really disliking President Clinton, I actually feel that when it came to things important to the everyday lives of Americans, Clinton was a far better President.

I feel no sense of trust for President Bush.  I don't feel he is on the side of the average American.  I truly believe he wants to get rid of the middle class altogether, so the only ones left are the rich (who he referred to as his *base*) and the poor.

Whether he made the pejorative comment about the Constitution or not, he ACTS like he has no respect for it (as was also mentioned in the article).  There is truly no need any more for Congress, regardless of whether it's a Republican or Democratic Congress because it doesn't matter what laws they write, if Bush doesn't like it, he will simply issue a *signing statement* expressing that he will do what he wants, anyway.

We have a system of checks and balances for a reason, and he seems to totally disregard it.  To me, it's ironic that he seeks to search and destroy all dictatorships -- except the one that is of his own creation here in the United States.

There's a growing history of how he treats those who either tell the truth or simply don't agree with his policies.  He *Swiftboats* them.

There are many stories out there about the Diebold machines being rigged so that a certain political party wins.  I have a friend who voted on a Diebold machine that produced a paper receipt.  Sure enough, it reflected that she voted for the other party, when, in fact, she did NOT.

I'm completely against his views on immigration.  I believe we should have immediately tightened and secured ALL our borders after 9/11 and, at least for the time being, not allow ANYONE in.  Instead, we used that money to go to war with Iraq, not because Saddam Hussein was a threat but because Bush needed a war to insure a *successful Presidency.*  Did you know that the President's itinery was found by an ex-con in a trash can last week?  Why was that allowed to happen?

Did you know that part of his Iraq war spending includes a comphrehensive healthcare plan for every Iraqi?  Look at the healthcare system in the United States.  Shouldn't the healthcare for Americans take precedence over the healthcare of Iraqis?

Do I want our troops to come home?  You bet I do.  I believe the best way we can support them is to get them out of there. 

Having said that, I also believe we simply cannot *cut and run.*  We simply cannot go into a country and completely destroy and then leave without fixing what we broke.  I believe we morally owe it to the people of Iraq to leave their country in a better place than when we found it.  I wish democracy would have worked in Iraq INSTANTLY.  Then maybe Bush would have hopefully begun to worry about fixing the massive problems in his own country.  Having said that, I have serious doubts that a long-lasting democracy will survive in that region.  I believe that many of them view us as being evil and having no morals.  (I can't really disagree with this view, considering some of the things that go on in this country.)  I think Joe Biden had an excellent idea of dividing Iraq into three provinces (which is supported in the Iraqi Constitution). 

Instead, I believe this war was a whim, based on his own personal goals, without regard for one single soldier he sent to die.  To me, that is unforgiveable.

Should he be allowed to spy on innocent Americans during wartime?  I guess that depends on the definition of *innocent.*  I sure don't know any terrorists.  Heck, I don't even know my own neighbors.  But I have repeatedly expressed my disagreement with his policies, and I've read how innocent Americans whose only *sin* is disagreeing with this President, so I have no reason to believe that I won't find myself being *investigated* by some agency eventually, maybe even the IRS in the form of an audit or some other intimidating tactic that this President is so fond of using.

As far as the Democrats are concerned, I personally can't stand Hillary Clinton and would never vote for her (even if I DID live in a country where my vote actually counted).  I'm as disgusted with the Democrats as I am with the President. 

I'm not some Godless heathen without morals simply because I don't agree with Bush.  I very much believe in God.  In fact, I believe God has been sending Bush a series of *signs* that he has chosen to ignore.  What I don't believe is pushing my religion down everyone else's throats.  What I believe in most of all is tolerance and respect for everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs.  When one religion acts as if it is superior to all others, that concerns me and automatically forces me further to the left.  Freedom of religion in this country is a wonderful thing, and nobody's religion is better than someone else's (including those who simply don't believe at all).  Yet, the fallacy that all Democrats (or anyone else who doesn't believe in Bush) are godless heathens is alive and well.  Ann Coulter, who can't seem to remember her address and is under investigation for voter fraud (see http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002807.htm, complete with the complaining document) plans on releasing a book outlining evil devils (such as myself and other millions of Americans she's never met) on none other than 6/6/06.  I believe that one particular religion has no place in government.  Do I have a problem with *In God We Trust* on our money?  Of course not.  When the word *God* is used in a generic term, it's INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.  But whether or not I can read it as I purchase a newspaper is irrelevant to what I feel in my soul and my heart.  I can assure you my morals are very high, and it truly hurts (thus turning to anger) when certain conservatives accuse people like me of being evil and Godless.  They say that most anger is the result of fear.  The times I'm most angry is truly when I'm the most frightened.  It's really hard to carry on a dialogue with someone who has labeled you so negatively, a sense of self-defense kicks in, and often arguments and more name-calling ensues, none of which is productive and all of which is hurtful and fruitless.

I'm sorry this is so long, but as I said, I enjoy reading your posts.  Although I don't know you or your political beliefs, you seem to be conservative.  You also seem to be intelligent and respectful and don't resort to personal attacks on posters, which is very refreshing on these boards.  I was just trying to give you some insight into who I am and the reason I don't like Bush.  In fact, I'm very frightened of him.

As I've said before, if I felt my President was honest, trustworthy, ethical and truly had the interests of ALL Americans foremost in his mind, I would have no problem at all with his obtaining lists of my telephone calls because I truly have nothing to hide, and if it saved one life, to me, it would be worth it.  I just don't trust him to do the right thing, and that isn't based on anything I've heard or read from any left-leaning media.  It's based solely on his own actions in the last six years.

I'm no far left-leaning whacko.  In fact, I'm truly a middle-of-the road kind of thinker.  I think there are a lot of us out there.  Speaking personally, it's just that the *righter* he goes, the *lefter* I automatically wind up, not because I voluntarily choose to, but because in order to maintain my original thoughts, that's where he pushes me.

I don't expect you to agree with me.  In fact, I fully expect you not to agree with me, and I hope you respond because I am very interested in hearing your views.  Again, I thank you for being respectful and not resorting to name calling.  You have opened the door to serious, honest and intelligent debate, and for that, I thank you.

I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

I hope you had an opportunity to read the article I posted before it was censored.  It certainly explains the few bad apples in an otherwise wonderful military and also answers the question you raised regarding the recruiting tactics. 

I have decided to lock this thread.  I do not believe the OP had bad intentions, but I do not like the direction in which this thread is going.

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Please watch your comments.  This is the second post of yours I have edited based on inappropriate remarks.  Let this serve as a warning to you.

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Your comments about race were inappropriate.  They were bound to offend, and it is best to leave those kind of remarks off this site.

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Thanks - its such a breath of fresh air to hear more people feel the same way I do. I'm am sick to death of her people trying to push her in the VP slot (which just is not going to happen) but seems thats all that's on the news just can't wait for it to end. If it does happen well they can be assured that McCain will definitely win. The Clintons should not be allowed anywhere near the white house. Don't people remember what they did the last time they were in there? I listen to the people who support her and think...why? there is not one good quality about that woman. People are saying she's a good role model for their children??? People think that someone who is a liar, cheater, thief, bribes people, gives people false hope, walks all over people not caring who she steps on just as long as she is on top, is a sore loser, not humble, has a foul mouth to match her attitude, is just downright nasty to people when she doesn't get her way, etc, etc, well I then question their character. Never mind all the people whose lives and careers have been destroyed because they went against the Clintons. And another thing they talk about the Clinton Dynasty or Clinton Legacy? I always thought a Dynasty was if you have a long line of people in the family who have been in politics (like the Kennedys). It is only the two of them. Nobody in their family is in politics or is decent. These two came out of nowhere and they've only done harm to the democrat party. They are tearing the party apart for their own personal gain and they don't care.

The portion that I edited were not statements made by Hillary Clinton.  Those statements were made by you.  They were aggressive and strange, to say the least, and those kind of comments have no place on this site.

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Well, it worked just as well for me during this occasion.  I think different people react differently, depending on the dosage, their tolerance, and how tired they might be.  It might work differently for you than it does for me.  Heck, it might (and does) work differently for ME, depending on the above.  I have an illness which may (and usually does) awaken me in the middle of the night.  If it's not too bad, I can take a pain pill and actually even be able to work a little.  (If it's hospital-worthy, then I slap on a Fentanyl patch, and once that enters my system, I'm usually out like a light for a couple days.  If that doesn't work, then it's back to the hospital again, which I try to avoid.)  However, when this stuff happens, I wind up in a backwards sleep cycle and wind up being awake all night.  This is what happened to me Friday/Saturday, and if you'll note, I began the post by stating I had been up most of the night. 

Secondly, it was not a two-hour nap.  Please read the post again and note the difference between 10:26 a.m. and 7:14 P.M. 

 If you can't stand the heat....Get out of the kitchen!