Your rhetoric was meaningless months ago...
Posted By: Running on MT on 2009-02-07
In Reply to: There was a poster on here during - sm
and it is just as meaningless today. I supported Obama then, and I support him now, as do all of the people who voted for him. It must be miserable to live with such hate in your heart. I would pity you, but it seems that you are doing a pretty good job of that on your own.
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rhetoric rhetoric - just tell people what they want to hear, it worked in 2000 and 2004 right?
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"I am sorry your future is so dark and meaningless"
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2 elections stolen? baloney. Meaningless war? Go
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well, i would call it dark but not necessarily meaningless
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Rhetoric?
I don't know what posts you have been reading, friend Lurker, with the anything to do with hatred, loving terrorists, etc., are directed at the post containing just that thing. One poster who shall remain nameless stated emphatically that investigating Bush took precedence over terrorism. To me, that is a statement supporting terrorism, and while maybe not idiotic, does not seem to me to be a very smart thing to say, considering Amadinejad stated this morning he wanted the next group of Al Qaeda leaders to come from Iran and that he was sending the US a message soon. And then this afternoon, we find out that the nuclear watchdog group found plutonium in the nuclear waste at the Iranian nuclear plant. But your liberal friend who proudly calls herself so wants to investigate Bush rather than concentrate on terrorism. That would be laughable if it were not that a great number of liberals are in full agreement with her. Which is concerning to say the least. Several who post the liberal board and on the conservative board who clearly identify themselves as liberals do hate democracy (evident in their posts), make frequent statements in support of terrorism (taking attention off them is supporting them), spout socialist policies (why they are called socialists)...if you don't fall into any of those categories, should be no big deal to you. You are including yourself in the group saying we. Liberals come to the conservative board too. Conservatives are not the only ones who cross over boards.
Rhetoric
Per Onelook:
▸ noun: study of the technique and rules for using language effectively (especially in public speaking) (hmmm...yep)
▸ noun: using language effectively to please or persuade (okay, I get it)
▸ noun: high flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation (ohh, for sure!)
▸ noun: loud and confused and empty talk (that's the nuts and bolts of it)
As far as rhetoric is concerned, I would say O has it mastered.
Palin was speaking the truth, plain and simple, and she has the record to prove it. Get over it. If you are so embarrased, go live somewhere else.
Where is all of "O's" big bipartisan rhetoric now?
Obviously that is all it was....rhetoric. Preached we had to work across the aisle...bipartisanship...to get things done. And now, with the biggest crisis this country has faced in decades, and he has a chance to put his money where his mouth is...what does he do? Decides what is best for Barack, and that is the tack he takes. ANY credibility he had left with me is gone.
Admit what? Your rhetoric?
BTW, brush your teeth - your breathe stinks - I know where your head has been.
This pub party rhetoric is at least 50 years old.
applies to the 21st century please?
Guess not. 50-year-old rhetoric
fu
Here's the deal. This kind of rhetoric is exactly
and does absolutely nothing to advance the cause of your broken down party and the dirth of leadership you are currently experiencing. This kind of disconnect between your party and the rest of us is exactly what you should be spending your time trying to come to terms with.
Being a democrat, it is fine with me if you persist along these lines, since it would serve to ensure similar election results next time around, but for your own sakes, you guys really do need to GET A GRIP.
Bitter self-serving rhetoric?
I have absolutely no personal ties whatsoever to the middle east, so exactly why would I be bitter, and what would I have to gain? Your statement makes no sense. The main benefit of actually recognizing the history of the region (as opposed to the Israeli version of the *truth*) would be for better political relations with the middle east. Have you noticed that the rest of the world sees what's going on? Why do you think there is so much resentment in the middle east for the US? Israel (or rather our empowering of it and it's abuse of that power) is one of the main problems over there.
Why would I care about your opinion? I don't. There are very few people's opinions that I actually value on this board. Those would be the ones who can actually discuss a subject with reasonable viewpoints, and guess what? Most of them disagree with me on most everything. LOL
I'm simply trying to get you to stay on the subject, which is obviously a lost cause.
No difference. Fact is that primary rhetoric
whenever you try depict rhetoric reversals as LIES, the challenge of your own candidates reversals will be waiting for you. Lame game and pointless.
Yes Sam, Biden is running with O. JB is a 35-year veteran in the Senate and if he felt O was not prepared for office, why then is is willing to place himself on the same ticket? JB knows what he is doing. There is no stronger statement of support than that. No brownie points for you on that one.
Day by day, we will be seeing dems, pubs and indies surface from Alaska who have bones to pick with SP. Wonder why that is? You can try to discredit and dismiss them to your heart's content, but you cannot ignore the fact that the public is never that forgiving and these types of testimonials will have impact on voter confidence. Funny how the verifiable facts that are a matter of public record included in Kilkenny's comments seem to have completely escaped your notice. Those facts will stand for what they are...challenges to the claims that she and the party are making about her fiscal responsibility and evidence of her tendency to want to run the show, run over anybody who gets in her way and take revenge on those would would oppose her. Not such a breath of fresh air after all, and looking a bit on the hypocritical side...a trait that some people associate with dishonesty. So yeah, whose lies and whose truths are not for you or I to decide. We have no choice here except to do our homework, put our views out there and leave it up to the voters to decide.
Actually, nasty, tacky, low-class rhetoric is exactly that,
You seem mighty sure of yourself while you presume to speak for a complete stranger.
I would think with all your anti-semetic rhetoric that you would be a big fan of Hitler's!
Oh the hypocrasy!
Denounce Fox News Outrageous Rhetoric
Fox News Crosses the Line
Target: Fox News Sunday Host Chris Wallace
Sponsored by: Media Matters
For news coverage to be "fair and balanced," there has to be a line separating news from political activism – a clear boundary between legitimate commentary and demagoguery.
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace repeatedly characterizes his network as "fair and balanced" – a source of news that should be taken seriously. However, several recent actions on Fox News illustrate that the network is contributing to a culture of conservative paranoia and anti-Obama political activism.
For example, since launching his Fox News show, Glenn Beck has engaged in increasingly outrageous rhetoric that promotes a culture of conservative paranoia – from imitating President Obama pouring gasoline onto the "average American" to mocking Obama's aunt's "limp."
If Wallace wants to continue to portray his network and influential Sunday show as a credible source of news, he owes it to his viewers to speak out publicly against Fox News' recent behavior. So please join us in asking Chris Wallace to publicly denounce Fox News' recent actions and repair the damage done to his network's credibility.
Link below to sign petition.
No, work for a living, and have heard all the liberal rhetoric before.
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Bush just casually reverses 5 years of rhetoric. sm
How many more lies before everyone wakes up?
Editorial Toledo Blade: Another lie on Iraq
WHEN President Bush declared last week that nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a large segment of the American public must have been very surprised.
They would be the die-hard supporters of the war in Iraq, the one-quarter to one-third of Americans who, according to opinion polls, believe to this day that Saddam was somehow involved in 9/11.
No one likes to think that their President is lying, but for Mr. Bush to casually reverse five years of rhetoric is like Bill Clinton claiming I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
No, there is no DNA evidence that we know of to indict Mr. Bush for perjury. But the public record includes repeated statements by the President, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and other administration officials that linked responsibility for the 9/11 attacks to Iraq, both directly and indirectly.
The alleged connection was the administration's strongest selling point for the war, slaking the American people's thirst for revenge for the 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C.
As Mr. Bush put it on Oct. 7, 2002, We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy - the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. … We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.
Here he is again, in his 2003 State of the Union address: And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda.
And in his Mission Accomplished photo op, May 1, 2003: In the war on terror, Iraq is now the central front.
Mr. Cheney was even more specific: In 2003, the vice president claimed that the government was learning more and more about links, before 9/11, between Iraq and al-Qaeda. This came even after the CIA had debunked any such claims. In 2004, the veep said flatly that Saddam had long-established ties with al-Qaeda.
Now, you can argue all day about whether faulty U.S. intelligence misled Mr. Bush, or about what the meaning of suggested is, but this much is clear: The administration relentlessly blurred what was a clear distinction between the militantly secular regime of Saddam and Islamic extremists like the 9/11 hijackers so as to create a laser-beam connection in the public mind that they were one and the same.
So for Mr. Bush to now claim that nobody has ever suggested that the Sept. 11 attacks were ordered by Iraq, as he did last week, is yet another lie in the chain of mendacity that shackles the Bush presidency.
Bush starts changing his tune/rhetoric.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
I understand the moral stance, but feel the rhetoric is over-the-top.....sm
This man is NOT pro-abortion, as many of us are not. He is preserving the right of choice for ALL women, and does not believe that a poor woman who has undergone a rape, incest, domestic violince/intimidation situation, or even has just accidentally gotten pregnant with a child she cannot carry for medical, emotional, or financial reasons....I hate abortion also, but if Americans are to be equal, then a poor woman needs to have resources available to her which would be available to others, or you are damning her to the back-alley abortionists. That is reality. I, Myself, married 18 years, vigilantly spacing my children and on birth control, came up with an unexpected, very difficult pregnancy. Yes, we made the choice to love and take this baby into the world, but we also had SOME resources and family, some girls do not.
There are not many folk who are PRO ABORTION, but preserving the individual choice, though abhorrent to many of us, is part of true liberty. And God Himself will judge as appropriate.
And I do feel that those few who use abortion as a means of birth control, well there should be restrictions and a definite "no."
You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
Translation: I watch a lot of Fox News and stick strictly to party rhetoric.nm
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And this was only a few months ago
:?
About 2 to 3 months ago, someone tried
to break into my house with me home working. They purposely tried to scare me. They went around my house banging on the walls and windows. As we live in the country, I do have a gun in my office. As I was calling 911, they were trying to get in the front door. I yelled at them that if they went any further, I was going to shoot and the police were on their way. Thankfully, this did stop them. But if they would have come through the door, I really believe I would have shot them. I still have problems sleeping!
We have only had a dem congress for 18 months. nm
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No, this just happened in the last 2 months.
It was WALL STREET, FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC that did it, not Bush. He had nothing to do with this.
3 months in barracks for everyone 18-25!!!!!! nm
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Six months to a year
I'd like see what happens in six months to a year when our economy is still in the toilet, more and more people are still without jobs and losing them if the sheeple will still be saying Obama is the answer to their prayers. Their eyes will be open then but it will be too late.
Last year, it took 5 months before
we could call our money ours. Not 3 months. Soon, we will just be getting a weekly allowance if all the crap keeps going.
Look what he has done to the deficit in 2 months....
something it took Bush 8 years, and attack on this country and a war to do. No one has attacked us, and he has managed to double the debt in 2 months. Just think what he can do in 4...6...MONTHS, not years. And he won't be able to fix it just taxing the "rich." So, along with the promise to get all the troops out of Iraq (reneged already), along with the promise to do a line-by-line and stop earmarks (there were only 900+ on the bill he just signed - reneged already), will be the "I'm sorry, but the economy is lookin better and we have to raise taxes"...that will be the next one he reneges on. Unless of course you are in that bracket who gets refunds when you don't even pay taxes...is that where you are? No wonder you love him. All hail the great and powerful 0. lol.
The Doctor Will See You—In Three Months
The health-care reform debate is in full roar with the arrival of Michael Moore's documentary Sicko, which compares the U.S. system unfavorably with single-payer systems around the world. Critics of the film are quick to trot out a common defense of the American way: For all its problems, they say, U.S. patients at least don't have to endure the endless waits for medical care endemic to government-run systems. The lobbying group America's Health Insurance Plans spells it out in a rebuttal to Sicko: "The American people do not support a government takeover of the entire health-care system because they know that means long waits for rationed care."
In reality, both data and anecdotes show that the American people are already waiting as long or longer than patients living with universal health-care systems. Take Susan M., a 54-year-old human resources executive in New York City. She faithfully makes an appointment for a mammogram every April, knowing the wait will be at least six weeks. She went in for her routine screening at the end of May, then had another because the first wasn't clear. That second X-ray showed an abnormality, and the doctor wanted to perform a needle biopsy, an outpatient procedure. His first available date: mid-August. "I completely freaked out," Susan says. "I couldn't imagine spending the summer with this hanging over my head." After many calls to five different facilities, she found a clinic that agreed to read her existing mammograms on June 25 and promised to schedule a follow-up MRI and biopsy if needed within 10 days. A full month had passed since the first suspicious X-rays. Ultimately, she was told the abnormality was nothing to worry about, but she should have another mammogram in six months. Taking no chances, she made an appointment on the spot. "The system is clearly broken," she laments.
It's not just broken for breast exams. If you find a suspicious-looking mole and want to see a dermatologist, you can expect an average wait of 38 days in the U.S., and up to 73 days if you live in Boston, according to researchers at the University of California at San Francisco who studied the matter. Got a knee injury? A 2004 survey by medical recruitment firm Merritt, Hawkins & Associates found the average time needed to see an orthopedic surgeon ranges from 8 days in Atlanta to 43 days in Los Angeles. Nationwide, the average is 17 days. "Waiting is definitely a problem in the U.S., especially for basic care," says Karen Davis, president of the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund, which studies health-care policy.
All this time spent "queuing," as other nations call it, stems from too much demand and too little supply. Only one-third of U.S. doctors are general practitioners, compared with half in most European countries. On top of that, only 40% of U.S. doctors have arrangements for after-hours care, vs. 75% in the rest of the industrialized world. Consequently, some 26% of U.S. adults in one survey went to an emergency room in the past two years because they couldn't get in to see their regular doctor, a significantly higher rate than in other countries.
There is no systemized collection of data on wait times in the U.S. That makes it difficult to draw comparisons with countries that have national health systems, where wait times are not only tracked but made public. However, a 2005 survey by the Commonwealth Fund of sick adults in six nations found that only 47% of U.S. patients could get a same- or next-day appointment for a medical problem, worse than every other country except Canada.
The Commonwealth survey did find that U.S. patients had the second-shortest wait times if they wished to see a specialist or have nonemergency surgery, such as a hip replacement or cataract operation (Germany, which has national health care, came in first on both measures). But Gerard F. Anderson, a health policy expert at Johns Hopkins University, says doctors in countries where there are lengthy queues for elective surgeries put at-risk patients on the list long before their need is critical. "Their wait might be uncomfortable, but it makes very little clinical difference," he says.
The Commonwealth study did find one area where the U.S. was first by a wide margin: 51% of sick Americans surveyed did not visit a doctor, get a needed test, or fill a prescription within the past two years because of cost. No other country came close.
Few solutions have been proposed for lengthy waits in the U.S., in part, say policy experts, because the problem is rarely acknowledged. But the market is beginning to address the issue with the rise of walk-in medical clinics. Hundreds have sprung up in CVS, Wal-Mart (WMT ), Pathmark, (PTMK ) and other stores—so many that the American Medical Assn. just adopted a resolution urging state and federal agencies to investigate such clinics as a conflict of interest if housed in stores with pharmacies. These retail clinics promise rapid care for minor medical problems, usually getting patients in and out in 30 minutes. The slogan for CVS's Minute Clinics says it all: "You're sick. We're quick."
Are 4 months enough to judge O, especially in these
so difficult times?
It is said that the economy is already in a slight upswing and the unemployment rate went down bit.
I guess we have to give O at least 1 year to be able to judge his decisions and actions.
In four short months
(1/3 of a year, 1/12 of his term) O has put this country further in debt than any previous president. With the complicity of congress he is printing money like a drunken counterfeiter. He has stood the US on its head and emptied its pockets. He is actually running some of its businesses as well. He has his eye on controlling healthcare. He is trying hard to disarm and silence dissenters, subtly at first, but this will become more heavy-handed as time passes.
Do the math. Must we really wait a full year (let along his full term) to figure how much deeper this hole is going to get? The laws of economics have not been suspended just because of his miraculous election. Government is not the answer, it is the problem.
Let's try this experiment: I'll keep doing what I've been doing (laying in food supplies, planting a garden, stacking firewood, saving money, storing other necessities, preparing to care for and defend my own family) and the rest of you keep doing what you've been doing (waiting for Obama's ''plan'' to work or for him to take care of you). We'll check back in a year and see who's preparations worked better. Okay?
ANWR would only supply us for six months...
at our current rate of usage - it's basically a drop in the bucket. And to get all the equipment in place to extract it and refine it would take approximately four years or more.
And that "desolate wasteland" is one of the last pristine areas left in the world. Does man really have to desecrate every square foot of this earth to satisfy his own greed and consumption? Guess so.
It chronicles the first few months of 2003...
because the director of the movie is of the opinion that there were some bad decisions made at the get-go and the rest was a domino effect, and had those first few bad decisions not been made it might be a different story in Iraq. The director of this film was actually for going into Iraq...he just blames the bad decisions he illustrates for what is happening now. I saw him interviewed; I can't remember the show. But there are several articles on the net where he was interviewed and explains his position. At any rate...that is why only a few months are chronicled.
Excuse me. If we are to accept 20 months as
by population and the 6 years as the mayor of a hamlet in Alaska with population of 5000 (at the time of her administration), then surely we should not be expected to overlook the 7 years he served in the state senate in Illinois in the 5th largest state in the union by population, some 13,000,000 people. More importantly, check out SP's 8 stated positions on political issues and how well they stack up with the 139 positions O has on the same issues as posted here: http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
What I am looking for is somebody who was paying attention while they were building their resumes.
I did. A week vs 18 months? Laughable.
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The DNC has been protecting Obama for 18 months....
they have not let him do an interview with anyone who didn't either get a thrill up their leg talking to him or were so enraptured with him they softballed every question. When he went on O'Reilly was the first time he went into an interview with someone who was not going to softball him, and he did not do much better than she did...and that is with 18 months surrounded by hundreds of advisors.
I have no doubt she will be fine talking to world leaders. We will never see the side of the person that talks to world leaders behind closed doors. I have as much faith in her as #2 talking to world leaders than I have with the #1 on the other ticket who wants to pander to them and frankly sell us down the river. He shows weakness...and her words were prophetic. When you face those guys, you don't blink. She made that case to Charlie Gibson, and she didn't blink. She kept eye contact way more than he did. And he had notes...she didn't. lol.
There was a comment a few months back that
a yard sale. That's my kind of gal... She's pretty and doesn't need to shop at those high end stores to look good. YOU BETCHA!!!!! 
He's been acting as the President for over two months now...
especially when it comes to the economy.
He has been undermining the sitting president since November 5th.
From his own mouth on 60 Minutes a few months ago...
he will impose eminent domain in the states that he wants to erect this stuff, though, so some people won't be happy when their land is taken away. Always seems to be a drawback, doesn't there???
My sister lost her job several months ago
and she cannot find anyone hiring in her area or anywhere near her area. She is a registered nurse and is in the process of a divorce and is trying to raise 2 little girls.
Remember when RNs were needed everywhere? Now they can't even find jobs.
If 2 months haven't learnt ya,
I guess that speaks volumes as well. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid and bow to Obama!!!
my kids are 2 and 2 months, so I doubt it...
but I do know plenty of people my age (30) who did not try it. I guess maybe because I came from a very conservative small town. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty who did, but none of my friends were smoking pot. But you know what---we do make our own alcohol ;), although it is harder to do than to grow pot.
Obama is only 5 months in office! I think
he has done MORE good than not so good, ESPECIALLY regarding FORGEIN politics, in this short time.
Maybe the ones who cannot stop criticizing Obama do not even realize how smart and diplomatic Obama is.
For example, regarding the election protests in Iran: Obama is cool, and observing, as he does not want to 'mingle in', NOT YET, whereas McCain immediately stated, as he is a 'hothead' that Obama is not tough enough, not doing enough and he should respond more fiercely! WRONG ! What good can come out of this when Khatemi and the cleric council agreed to recount the votes? Isn't this what US was always accused of? Intermingling in everything, and this too early?
I am actually always AMAZED how uninformed a lot of people are when it comes to foreign politics and foreign countries in general.
Even on this forum I can count them on my fingers and some I can even name (username).
These are the ones who have an open mind, independent, tolerant, fair, just and are knowlegable.
Obama is only 5 months in office! I think
he has done MORE good than not so good, ESPECIALLY regarding FORGEIN politics, in this short time.
Maybe the ones who cannot stop criticizing Obama do not even realize how smart and diplomatic Obama is.
For example, regarding the election protests in Iran: Obama is cool, and observing, as he does not want to 'mingle in', NOT YET, whereas McCain immediately stated, as he is a 'hothead' that Obama is not tough enough, not doing enough and he should respond more fiercely! WRONG ! What good can come out of this when Khatemi and the cleric council agreed to recount the votes? Isn't this what US was always accused of? Intermingling in everything, and this too early?
I am actually always AMAZED how uninformed a lot of people are when it comes to foreign politics and foreign countries in general.
Even on this forum I can count them on my fingers and some I can even name (username).
These are the ones who have an open mind, independent, tolerant, fair, just and are knowlegable.
Bush busted again for the second time in 2 months...
by the courts for criminally violating the US Constitution. When are they going to impeach him? We get 24/7 front page JonBenet coverage (very sad story), but nothing on the crooks in the White House. All the drama with Watergate and Clinton IMO pales in comparison to what is on this President's mantle. What a mess. 
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2005/082105LINDORFF.shtml
Stop using my name. I've been posting as me for months now
Out of billions of names you use mine?
P.S. - Biden did not answer all of the questions and even the moderator had to say at one point that neither of them answered the question. Then the answers he did give didn't mean a thing. Another lawyer taking out of his you know what.
Biden lied on at least 10 occasions tonight and she had to keep pointing it out.
And he never did deny that O'No and he will raise taxes.
What's happening is that the dems are bloody mad that she did such a great job so they are flailing and don't know what to do.
As for winning the debate - time will tell.
Mark my words, it won't be six months before the world
tests Obama like they did John Kennedy.
"Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
-- Joe Biden
Is Biden saying that America's current enemies - sorely aware of Obama's inexperience - plan to test a President Obama with similar crises, to see what he's made of?
I guess we all know how JFK's test turned out. "Bay of pigs" ring any bells.
Biden has also commented Obama's inexperience and said the job of the Presidency "does not lend itself to on the job training." He's also said Obama's "going to need help."
Well, I guess 'ol Joe has his foot in the door and that's all he really wanted. I don't believe he's changed his mind about our new President Elect. I think he saw his way into the White House and jumped on the bandwagon.
Great! We've got a totally inexperienced, slick snake set to run this country and the man who knows Obama will fail, has announced the Obama will be tested and fail, and probably wants Obama to fail, so he can come out smelling like a rose.
Well, buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
anyone else wondering how much damage Bush can do in the next few months?
Battle over UBS secret accounts to take months
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UBS_SECRETS?SITE=VACUL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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