Bitter self-serving rhetoric?
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-01-01
In Reply to: The truth is that... - FeFiFo
I have absolutely no personal ties whatsoever to the middle east, so exactly why would I be bitter, and what would I have to gain? Your statement makes no sense. The main benefit of actually recognizing the history of the region (as opposed to the Israeli version of the *truth*) would be for better political relations with the middle east. Have you noticed that the rest of the world sees what's going on? Why do you think there is so much resentment in the middle east for the US? Israel (or rather our empowering of it and it's abuse of that power) is one of the main problems over there.
Why would I care about your opinion? I don't. There are very few people's opinions that I actually value on this board. Those would be the ones who can actually discuss a subject with reasonable viewpoints, and guess what? Most of them disagree with me on most everything. LOL
I'm simply trying to get you to stay on the subject, which is obviously a lost cause.
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rhetoric rhetoric - just tell people what they want to hear, it worked in 2000 and 2004 right?
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Bitter, bitter dems
 I'm sick of you all still tearing down the pubs. You won the election. This board is for EXPRESSING OPINIONS, NOT TO BASH EVERYONE THAT HAS A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK THAN YOU.
There are a few people on here that do nothing but bash. Very unhappy people. I said it before and I'l lsay it again... the election is OVER. Let it alone. Discuss the issues WITHOUT BASHING. We are all entitled to our opinions. There is no need for the bashing here. Let's talk about THE REAL ISSUES for a change.
Oh, and for the bashers, I'm not leaving this board. I have the right to express my opinion, which I have been doing when I have something DECENT to say.
I agree, thank you MT for serving our country
I want to add my thanks to the above. I stop soldiers I see on the street or in the store to thank them for their service. My son's best friend is in the Marines. Lots of times these men and women are truly shocked when I stop them, hug them or shake their hands and say thank you from the bottom of my heart. That to me is sad. Everyone of us should be thanking them for their service.
I agree, thank you MT for serving our country
I want to add my thanks to the above. I stop soldiers I see on the street or in the store to thank them for their service. My son's best friend is in the Marines. Lots of times these men and women are truly shocked when I stop them, hug them or shake their hands and say thank you from the bottom of my heart. That to me is sad. Everyone of us should be thanking them for their service.
There are children of congresspeople and Senators serving...
from both sides of the aisle.
Serious question...you do not view a radical Islamist with a nuclear weapon dangerous?
I agree, Kaydie. Great post!!! Thank you for serving
the USA. My family and I appreciate you!
Maybe they'll be serving up Sunday-go-to-meeting dinner
all the fried chicken, ribs, hog jowls, chit'lins, collard greens, fried okree, black-eye-peas, conebread, hush puppies, Aunt Jemimas, buttermilk biscuits, fried grits, watermelon and sweet potato pie (O's favorite) you can eat....and save you from slaving over that hot stove all day. Keep us posted on the minutes.
I'll give him my respect for serving but not my vote...no one owes him that. nm
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Rhetoric?
I don't know what posts you have been reading, friend Lurker, with the anything to do with hatred, loving terrorists, etc., are directed at the post containing just that thing. One poster who shall remain nameless stated emphatically that investigating Bush took precedence over terrorism. To me, that is a statement supporting terrorism, and while maybe not idiotic, does not seem to me to be a very smart thing to say, considering Amadinejad stated this morning he wanted the next group of Al Qaeda leaders to come from Iran and that he was sending the US a message soon. And then this afternoon, we find out that the nuclear watchdog group found plutonium in the nuclear waste at the Iranian nuclear plant. But your liberal friend who proudly calls herself so wants to investigate Bush rather than concentrate on terrorism. That would be laughable if it were not that a great number of liberals are in full agreement with her. Which is concerning to say the least. Several who post the liberal board and on the conservative board who clearly identify themselves as liberals do hate democracy (evident in their posts), make frequent statements in support of terrorism (taking attention off them is supporting them), spout socialist policies (why they are called socialists)...if you don't fall into any of those categories, should be no big deal to you. You are including yourself in the group saying we. Liberals come to the conservative board too. Conservatives are not the only ones who cross over boards.
Rhetoric
Per Onelook:
▸ noun: study of the technique and rules for using language effectively (especially in public speaking) (hmmm...yep)
▸ noun: using language effectively to please or persuade (okay, I get it)
▸ noun: high flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation (ohh, for sure!)
▸ noun: loud and confused and empty talk (that's the nuts and bolts of it)
As far as rhetoric is concerned, I would say O has it mastered.
Palin was speaking the truth, plain and simple, and she has the record to prove it. Get over it. If you are so embarrased, go live somewhere else.
Where is all of "O's" big bipartisan rhetoric now?
Obviously that is all it was....rhetoric. Preached we had to work across the aisle...bipartisanship...to get things done. And now, with the biggest crisis this country has faced in decades, and he has a chance to put his money where his mouth is...what does he do? Decides what is best for Barack, and that is the tack he takes. ANY credibility he had left with me is gone.
Admit what? Your rhetoric?
BTW, brush your teeth - your breathe stinks - I know where your head has been.
This pub party rhetoric is at least 50 years old.
applies to the 21st century please?
Guess not. 50-year-old rhetoric
fu
Here's the deal. This kind of rhetoric is exactly
and does absolutely nothing to advance the cause of your broken down party and the dirth of leadership you are currently experiencing. This kind of disconnect between your party and the rest of us is exactly what you should be spending your time trying to come to terms with.
Being a democrat, it is fine with me if you persist along these lines, since it would serve to ensure similar election results next time around, but for your own sakes, you guys really do need to GET A GRIP.
Your rhetoric was meaningless months ago...
and it is just as meaningless today. I supported Obama then, and I support him now, as do all of the people who voted for him. It must be miserable to live with such hate in your heart. I would pity you, but it seems that you are doing a pretty good job of that on your own.
No difference. Fact is that primary rhetoric
whenever you try depict rhetoric reversals as LIES, the challenge of your own candidates reversals will be waiting for you. Lame game and pointless.
Yes Sam, Biden is running with O. JB is a 35-year veteran in the Senate and if he felt O was not prepared for office, why then is is willing to place himself on the same ticket? JB knows what he is doing. There is no stronger statement of support than that. No brownie points for you on that one.
Day by day, we will be seeing dems, pubs and indies surface from Alaska who have bones to pick with SP. Wonder why that is? You can try to discredit and dismiss them to your heart's content, but you cannot ignore the fact that the public is never that forgiving and these types of testimonials will have impact on voter confidence. Funny how the verifiable facts that are a matter of public record included in Kilkenny's comments seem to have completely escaped your notice. Those facts will stand for what they are...challenges to the claims that she and the party are making about her fiscal responsibility and evidence of her tendency to want to run the show, run over anybody who gets in her way and take revenge on those would would oppose her. Not such a breath of fresh air after all, and looking a bit on the hypocritical side...a trait that some people associate with dishonesty. So yeah, whose lies and whose truths are not for you or I to decide. We have no choice here except to do our homework, put our views out there and leave it up to the voters to decide.
Actually, nasty, tacky, low-class rhetoric is exactly that,
You seem mighty sure of yourself while you presume to speak for a complete stranger.
I would think with all your anti-semetic rhetoric that you would be a big fan of Hitler's!
Oh the hypocrasy!
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No, work for a living, and have heard all the liberal rhetoric before.
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Bush just casually reverses 5 years of rhetoric. sm
How many more lies before everyone wakes up?
Editorial Toledo Blade: Another lie on Iraq
WHEN President Bush declared last week that nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a large segment of the American public must have been very surprised.
They would be the die-hard supporters of the war in Iraq, the one-quarter to one-third of Americans who, according to opinion polls, believe to this day that Saddam was somehow involved in 9/11.
No one likes to think that their President is lying, but for Mr. Bush to casually reverse five years of rhetoric is like Bill Clinton claiming I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
No, there is no DNA evidence that we know of to indict Mr. Bush for perjury. But the public record includes repeated statements by the President, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and other administration officials that linked responsibility for the 9/11 attacks to Iraq, both directly and indirectly.
The alleged connection was the administration's strongest selling point for the war, slaking the American people's thirst for revenge for the 2001 attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C.
As Mr. Bush put it on Oct. 7, 2002, We know that Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy - the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. … We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.
Here he is again, in his 2003 State of the Union address: And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda.
And in his Mission Accomplished photo op, May 1, 2003: In the war on terror, Iraq is now the central front.
Mr. Cheney was even more specific: In 2003, the vice president claimed that the government was learning more and more about links, before 9/11, between Iraq and al-Qaeda. This came even after the CIA had debunked any such claims. In 2004, the veep said flatly that Saddam had long-established ties with al-Qaeda.
Now, you can argue all day about whether faulty U.S. intelligence misled Mr. Bush, or about what the meaning of suggested is, but this much is clear: The administration relentlessly blurred what was a clear distinction between the militantly secular regime of Saddam and Islamic extremists like the 9/11 hijackers so as to create a laser-beam connection in the public mind that they were one and the same.
So for Mr. Bush to now claim that nobody has ever suggested that the Sept. 11 attacks were ordered by Iraq, as he did last week, is yet another lie in the chain of mendacity that shackles the Bush presidency.
Bush starts changing his tune/rhetoric.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
I understand the moral stance, but feel the rhetoric is over-the-top.....sm
This man is NOT pro-abortion, as many of us are not. He is preserving the right of choice for ALL women, and does not believe that a poor woman who has undergone a rape, incest, domestic violince/intimidation situation, or even has just accidentally gotten pregnant with a child she cannot carry for medical, emotional, or financial reasons....I hate abortion also, but if Americans are to be equal, then a poor woman needs to have resources available to her which would be available to others, or you are damning her to the back-alley abortionists. That is reality. I, Myself, married 18 years, vigilantly spacing my children and on birth control, came up with an unexpected, very difficult pregnancy. Yes, we made the choice to love and take this baby into the world, but we also had SOME resources and family, some girls do not.
There are not many folk who are PRO ABORTION, but preserving the individual choice, though abhorrent to many of us, is part of true liberty. And God Himself will judge as appropriate.
And I do feel that those few who use abortion as a means of birth control, well there should be restrictions and a definite "no."
You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
Translation: I watch a lot of Fox News and stick strictly to party rhetoric.nm
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Don't be so bitter....
I'm passionate about politics also, I am just not passionate about Barak Obama.
Why are some so bitter?
Because they can't let go. I am not happy with the election, but I don't post nasty posts (except when I was in a bad mood that one day). I'm still waiting for O to fall flat on his face, and I know by posting this, I will be bashed big time. But, I'm waiting and watching.
It's mostly the democrats who are being nasty on this board. You can't seem to make an honest comment without certain ones bashing you. All I can say is they better get a life and stop the crap. I'm sick of it. I come here to talk about issues and I don't need the O lovers to call me a liar, etc., even if I post links to hear it for themselves.
I've been called a racist, etc. for some stuff I've posted, but I have posted both sides. Don't get bashed for democrat postings, just pubs. It will never change. There are some people on this board who should be banned big time. I've seen their posts on the other boards and they bash there, too, so it's not just this board. They are very unhappy people and feel if they don't bash someone once or twice a day, it doesn't make them happy.
Just my opinion.
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not bitter
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not bitter.................
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mean and bitter
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...oh...and bitter too
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how are they above the law? and bitter == don't think so!
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Sorry you are so bitter towards Christians but you are right
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bitter and angry
'Bitter and angry'... TRANSLATION: As a black woman she is not subservient or meek, does not do the 'buck and shuffle' or says 'yes'm and give you teeth and gums to make her 'acceptable' or even tolerable. Bitter and angry...seems as if you are the one with the bitterness and anger to make such a narrow minded bigoted comment about a black woman who happens to be married to a black man who has the GALL to run for the highest office in this land...(LOL)everyone says this election is not about race but that is a flat out lie. Question: if the two parties who were running for this office white, would there be such a fuss? I think not. Truthfully, in past elections the majority of either party were caucasian and that particular issue was not an issue when we voted for whoever we believed could do the job to the best of their ability. This election has shown that IT IS ABOUT RACE because it DEFINITELY was made an issue by the racist bigoted media, by individuals such as Pat Buchanan and Bill O'Reilly (who some truly believe is their Messiah). God gave us free will when he created us, and one of the freedoms we were given was to think for ourselves. I am a black woman and I will convey to everyone on this board that NO ONE thinks for ME, and because I AM black it is assumed that I will vote for Obama - if that is not bigoted I don't know what is. I will tell you this though - one thing I have learned from this election is that racism in this country is alive and well and has reared its ugly head, and a lot of things that people feel in their hearts regarding minorities are NOT being hidden because the comfort level to say such ugly and bigoted racist things seems not to be a problem. I have never seen such ugliness and hatred on this board as long as I have been participating. It's past sad, it really is
bitter/angry
no, not 'bitter, angry or RACIST - just telling it like it is...
bitter/angry
sm: In response to this post; apparently you DID NOT read EVERYTHING included in my initial post. As far as you 'wishing i don't have young people around me to hear this year in and year out' - you can say whatever you want. You don't know me nor I you but I do know this - racism exists and some of the posts here prove it. I have done many positive things in my life; and with the young people that I feel blessed to be in my life, the main message I give them is that no matter what, we are ALL the same, and to treat others better than they may be treated. You should read my WHOLE post, if you don't - you don't.
CK is a bitter little man who is not dealing well
Served under several administrations? Let's see. Planning director for psychiatric research under Carter in 1978. Wrote a speech for Walter Mondale in 1980. Consulted Bush on Bioethics in 2002. This guy's hey-day is well past its prime and he is headed for has-been in a hand basket. Been reading this jerk for just about 30 years now. Never could take a single word he said seriously.
You got that did ya? Bitter? You dang right
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no, coffee is bitter too
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Why so bitter? Because your side
Typical sore-loser attitude.
In my own bitter selfish way
I am one of those evil smokers, and every clapped and cheered as taxes have skyrocketed to at least $2-3 a pack because the sanctimonious ones, not content to ban us and our vile little smoldering sticks from all public places, felt it necessary to save us from ourselves.
When they started this tactic, a lot of smokers pointed out that it was a slipper slope to go down...what would be next? Our Twinkies? Our butter? and we were poo-pooed as being ridiculous in our attempt to defend our vice. But it looks like we weren't too far off, and we're going to continue to just blithely let it happen. They've gotten rid of transfats, they're working on eliminating salt, and slowly but surely every individual choice we could make in our private lives is being whittled away.
Could you possibly be any more bitter and hateful? sm
I see your posts all over. You just posted on the conservative board but didn't have the nerve to put your usual "gt" signature. I have never seen someone so totally consumed with bitterness, rage and, well, just plain ugliness.
So sorry you are such a miserably bitter person
I have no problem with someone working their butts off to be more, make more. What is your problem with that? The more they make, the more the business grows, and the more people they can employ.
BUT under O's stealing of their money, what is the motivation for ANYONE to do any better now.
Who the h@ll wants to grow their business when they know Obama wants to give it to those who have no motivation to do anything with their lives. I wouldn't.
Must be sad to be so angry towards those that better themselves.
Not bitter - I just found a different path to take
All my family are christians. I believe everyone goes to the same place, we just take different roads. If you want to believe what you want that's fine. Everyone in my family is Christian. I choose another path.
Not bitter - I just found a different path to take
I posted above my mistake -
All my family are christians. I believe everyone goes to the same place, we just take different roads. If you want to believe what you want that's fine. Everyone in my family is Christian. I choose another path.
Agree....seems very bitter and angry....
what her two little girls are learning from her. To hate their country, to feel oppressed, to believe they have been wronged all the time. Everything she spoke of that was so condemning of her country, of which I might add she got a very wonderful education and job in, speaks volumes about her.
You poor bitter person you
First of all, I am NOT a republican, never have been. Don't worry, I am fully aware of the 401K issue, and I can guarantee you all my eggs are not in one basket. But the ones that are in there sure as heck do not need to be further taxed by Obama for all his entitlement programs.
I too was born to a very poor family and we NEVER took one red dime from the government and I did without plenty. My mother would have lived under a bridge before she accepted money from the government and she was a single mom raising children when my dad died. We had NOTHING before and had nothing afterwards. Now, minimum wage. I know minimum wage. I worked for it all the way through putting MYSELF through college, not the government. My husband who came from a family of 6 children, dirt poor, also worked his OWN way through college and paid his OWN way, not the help of anyone either. He dug ditches, sewers, hauled hay in 100+ degree weather and so many other disgusting jobs you wouldn't touch. Now for those of us who didn't sit on our butts and feel sorry for ourselves, I do not feel sorry for anyone who thinks they are too good to work.
Everyone may not want to go to college but don't criticize those that do. In my county, ANYONE, ANYONE who graduates from a school in this county gets two years FREE college education.....ANYONE. Know how many take advantage of that? Not everyone that could. They're too lazy to make the effort and word hard. I suppose you have an excuse for that too. You better believe if they are making minimum wage then, it's their own fault. They had as much opportunity to better themselves as the kid sitting next to them in school. They just want a free ride because so many see their familities getting one. What's the motivation really!? No, you can't take it with you but the people savoring it as you put it should be the ones who actually work for it, not the freeloaders.
Sorry you think ONLY republicans are smart enough to educate themselves and make a living for themselves. How said for you. I'm independent....those can make their own way too!!
But you're right,everyone will be in for a big shock with Obama draining their wallets. Even the minimum wage earners are going to whining and b@tching and who they gonna blame then? I'm sure they'll find someone besides Obama though.
So get off your pity pot and grow up.....stop living in your past. THat's the problem with all our young people now. They didn't live it but they sure have plenty of people around them who raise them to feel sorry for themselves instead of motivating them to go as far as you can.
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