Yup, Taiga has come out of the closet
Posted By: Taiga on 2007-10-23
In Reply to: All righty then, Taiga.... - Observer
Where did I ever say I don't post under other monikers?
Taiga is the name I have used on the Medquist board for just about as long as this board has been in existence. I had always thought it wise to keep a political persona separate from a work persona but with all these accusations of fraud and "untruthfulness" I will no longer be using Teddy and will stick to Taiga from now on with any posting I do on the MTStars board.
Actually my original moniker on the political board, going back several years, even back to when both libs and cons were put together under one grouping was "Observer." When you began posting as "Observer" I switched to Teddy for obvious reasons. So in the end, there really are more than one of us elitist, snobbish jerks out there!!
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Hi there Taiga! sm
I think both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are very intelligent and dynamic individuals. My only exception to Hillary was her yes vote regarding Iraq. As a woman I would be quite enthralled to see, for the first time in American history, a woman elected to the highest office in the nation. I'm old enough to remember when the political arena was strictly off limits to women, and if she gets elected this would be a historic first!!
Sheeeessshhhh, Taiga....
Do you like it better from Common Dreams? Pay special attention to the part out distancing himself from the antisemitic comments (McGovern).
Published on Saturday, June 18, 2005 by CommonDreams.org
John Conyers' Letter to the Washington Post
June 17, 2005
Mr. Michael Abramowitz, National Editor;
Mr. Michael Getler, Ombudsman;
Mr. Dana Milbank;
The Washington Post,
1150 15th Street, NW, Washington, D.C. 20071
Dear Sirs:
I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June 17 report, "Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War," which purports to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum, the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth, and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.
In an inaccurate piece of reporting that typifies the article, Milbank implies that one of the obstacles the Members in the meeting have is that "only one" member has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes on the floor of either the House or Senate. This is not only incorrect but misleading. In fact, just yesterday, the Senate Democratic Leader, Harry Reid, mentioned it on the Senate floor. Senator Boxer talked at some length about it at the recent confirmation hearing for the Ambassador to Iraq. The House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi, recently signed on to my letter, along with 121 other Democrats asking for answers about the memo. This information is not difficult to find either. For example, the Reid speech was the subject of an AP wire service report posted on the Washington Post website with the headline "Democrats Cite Downing Street Memo in Bolton Fight". Other similar mistakes, mischaracterizations and cheap shots are littered throughout the article.
The article begins with an especially mean and nasty tone, claiming that House Democrats "pretended" a small conference was the Judiciary Committee hearing room and deriding the decor of the room. Milbank fails to share with his readers one essential fact: the reason the hearing was held in that room, an important piece of context. Despite the fact that a number of other suitable rooms were available in the Capitol and House office buildings, Republicans declined my request for each and every one of them. Milbank could have written about the perseverance of many of my colleagues in the face of such adverse circumstances, but declined to do so. Milbank also ignores the critical fact picked up by the AP, CNN and other newsletters that at the very moment the hearing was scheduled to begin, the Republican Leadership scheduled an almost unprecedented number of 11 consecutive floor votes, making it next to impossible for most Members to participate in the first hour and one half of the hearing.
In what can only be described as a deliberate effort to discredit the entire hearing, Milbank quotes one of the witnesses as making an anti-semitic assertion and further describes anti-semitic literature that was being handed out in the overflow room for the event. First, let me be clear: I consider myself to be friend and supporter of Israel and there were a number of other staunchly pro-Israel members who were in attendance at the hearing. I do not agree with, support, or condone any comments asserting Israeli control over U.S. policy, and I find any allegation that Israel is trying to dominate the world or had anything to do with the September 11 tragedy disgusting and offensive.
That said, to give such emphasis to 100 seconds of a 3 hour and five minute hearing that included the powerful and sad testimony (hardly mentioned by Milbank) of a woman who lost her son in the Iraq war and now feels lied to as a result of the Downing Street Minutes, is incredibly misleading. Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank saw fit to only mention the one he did.
In a typically derisive and uninformed passage, Milbank makes much of other lawmakers calling me "Mr. Chairman" and says I liked it so much that I used "chairmanly phrases." Milbank may not know that I was the Chairman of the House Government Operations Committee from 1988 to 1994. By protocol and tradition in the House, once you have been a Chairman you are always referred to as such. Thus, there was nothing unusual about my being referred to as Mr. Chairman.
To administer his coup-de-grace, Milbank literally makes up another cheap shot that I "was having so much fun that [I] ignored aides' entreaties to end the session." This did not occur. None of my aides offered entreaties to end the session and I have no idea where Milbank gets that information. The hearing certainly ran longer than expected, but that was because so many Members of Congress persevered under very difficult circumstances to attend, and I thought - given that - the least I could do was allow them to say their piece. That is called courtesy, not "fun."
By the way, the "Downing Street Memo" is actually the minutes of a British cabinet meeting. In the meeting, British officials - having just met with their American counterparts - describe their discussions with such counterparts. I mention this because that basic piece of context, a simple description of the memo, is found nowhere in Milbank's article.
The fact that I and my fellow Democrats had to stuff a hearing into a room the size of a large closet to hold a hearing on an important issue shouldn't make us the object of ridicule. In my opinion, the ridicule should be placed in two places: first, at the feet of Republicans who are so afraid to discuss ideas and facts that they try to sabotage our efforts to do so; and second, on Dana Milbank and the Washington Post, who do not feel the need to give serious coverage on a serious hearing about a serious matter-whether more than 1700 Americans have died because of a deliberate lie. Milbank may disagree, but the Post certainly owed its readers some coverage of that viewpoint.
Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr.
FYI, I googled it because I had heard that Conyers tried to distance himself after the antisemitic rant of McGovern. The Front Page thing came up. First time I have ever read Front Page, had no idea it was a hard right wing site. From now on I will look for the far left wing sites, how's that? The truth is the truth, doesn't matter what "page" it is posted on. GEEEZZZ.
All righty then, Taiga....
we can finally put this to rest. You are posting as Taiga, and you close the post with:
"And if all this has grown tiresome why do you continue to read my posts and respond?"
So, Teddy, tell me again how you do not post under different monikers. Can we please drop this whole liar thing now???
Thank you outside the closet
I have never found so many of her posts offensive. I've really got to turn this board off. You are correct though, she is a closet case. So much that I just stopped reading her posts altogether.
That's all I'm trying to get across we don't need her acceptance. We are finally able to marry whom we want and live our lives the way we want and be able to care for our partners in sickness and in health just like everyone else does. For once the states are coming to their senses. It finally happened when they did away with school segregation, when blacks could ride anywhere they wanted on a bus, could drink from any water fountain they chose, and now we can finally live the lives we want to live and have it "legal".
I'm turning the board off for now to get some work done, and not have a stroke trying to explain common sense and decency towards human kind.
Come on out of that closet!
You know you want to!
Bottom line, Taiga....
did Murtha or did Murtha not say "The surge is working?" Yes, he did. Why did CBS choose not to print all the disclaimers? You got me, I don't know. As to Murtha adding the disclaimers, he probably suddenly remembered he is going to have to talk to Pelosi come Monday. I don't blame him, I would be backpedaling too. lol.
For the record, Teddy/Taiga....
the rest of the post said when it wasn't in response to what had been thrown at me first. Methinks you are very guilty of what you always accuse me of....cutting and pasting out of context. Teddy is taking over again.
It does not matter who reported it, Taiga...
there are facts within it that are not in dispute. Take the Tim Russert thing for example. He had the pictures of the 747 fuselage at Salman Pak. He showed it on his TV show. He showed it to Cheney. Only at that time, it was RUSSERT who was saying to CHENEY "Can you honestly sit there and tell me you don't think there is a 9-11 connection?" That is a fact, Taiga. It happened. I can see why no one else would report it. And as to timely? You have to report it when it happened. And it did happen. All I am saying is...basically you can't believe ANYONE because the left wing and the right wing have been on both sides, top and bottom of this issue. They have all flip-flopped on it. So WHO do you believe? I tend to believe the picture. I have seen the picture. They showed the picture on TV numerous times (the Salman Pak picture). And as the article stated, none of those facts are in dispute, even from the 9-11 commission, except one.
As to the 9-11 Commission...don't get me started. Did you actually watch any of it while it was happening? Talk about a stacked deck and questions asked to get certain answers. What a JOKE that was. That being said, there is a lot of information that came out that never made it to the "assessment" they put out. I was watching it during the time George Tenet testified. He says in his book he never said slam dunk, but he darn well did, I HEARD him. And that never made it into the "assessment" either. I purposely watched as much of the 9-11 hearings as I could, because I knew a lot was not going to make the "assessment." Independent they were not. That was exceedingly obvious from the questioning.
I do not understand your penchant for "timely." If something happened, it happened. That is what I mean about selective memory. You remember it if it is germane to your discussion, and you dismiss it as "the past" (like it never happened) and use "timely" as an excuse. I really don't get that. But, I don't have to...whatever floats yer boat.
Not even close Teddy/Taiga....
not EVEN close. lol.
Maybe Cheney is a closet dem
He knows many people hate him, including me. He could be trying to lose McC's election since McC spoke out against Bush and Cheney.
As long as you do it in the closet & not
make it a public/legal issue, then whatever you want to call it is fine. I don't care what you do behind closed doors, but when your perversion is flaunted in public in front of my children or made to be a national legal issue, then I have a problem with it. I hope the states stupid enough to make it legal have sense enough to reverse their decision.
Keep it in the closet where it belongs? (sm)
You know, the same could be said about religion --- which is just another "choice." As in keep your sermons to yourself. Maybe I don't want my children exposed to fanatics who believe in a nonexistent being, but you guys just keep on preaching. The ironic thing about your post is that religion itself is a choice. It is a choice to believe. So, you think everyone else should abide by what you choose to believe -- as opposed to how they choose to live. Quite a double standard you have there.
Your figures just further validate Taiga's post.
She said, "Actually the vote went by geography rather than party lines as is obvious below." Your figures support that statement.
For Taiga...sorry I did not answer your post about CBS and Politico...
as to I should let CBS know that the Iraq link in their article went to Politico....this is from the CBS news site:
From Our Partner:
soooooo I'm thinking CBS knows that the link went to Politico...ya think?? You falsely accused me, and you were wrong. I DID get my article from CBS.
Just keeping the record straight.
Hillary C. , closet Republican..sm
I am not enthralled with her as well. I see her as someone who straddles both sides of the fence, or as you aptly put it, a closet Republican. I had a high opinion of her, but it seemed to me that when Bush's popularity was at an all time high she bent with the wind to include her vote on Iraq. Iraq had been so closely monitored for so many years and under such scrutity there was no way Iraq had any undetected weapons of mass destruction. That woman was in the White House for 8 years and had to know that was not the case, yet she went right along with it as it was the politically popular thing to do at the time. I lost my respect for her after that. The exciting thing is that there are so many candidates out there now. I also like Chris Dodd, but I don't think he has too much of a chance. Anyway the debates will be coming and the voters will have a good variety of candidates to listen to and field out.
Obama is a socialist and probably a closet...sm
communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the Senate.
Democrats have this overwhelming desire to want to be taken care of from cradle to grave, and their leaders philosophy of, "let me take care of you forever" mentality is so scary. Not to mention the constant class envy and warfare on those that are successful in life.
Complete and total socialism, and communism.....Doesn't work, never has worked, won't work ever.
Oh yeah, and he and Michelle are racist. Certain comments, past and present, in or out of context, are racist and inflammatory..... let's call a spade, a spade, shall we?
And a spade? that's a playing card, not a black man in this context.
I'm also sick and tired of the so called political correctness in this country. If Obama can call McCain and "old white man" -- why the heck can't McCain call Obama a "young, black man."
Geez, is it November yet...please?
Flame on, I don't care anymore, and I'm out of here.
I sure hope so...this closet is a little scary, too!
Bang on the pipes 3 times when the coast is clear, and I'll come out.
Nah, just cleaning out my closet and getting it out of my system.
Deleting old links, etc. It's going to be a long four years. I'm sure I'll have more to criticize, but for now I feel like taking a deep cleansing breath and bracing myself.
I think perhaps you are a closet republican because that is quite the conspiracy theory.
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It probably bothered her because she is a closet Nat'l Enquirer reader?
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Colin Powell....closet democrat...no surprise there...nm
Nicely done Taiga, nicely done :)
Point well made. I still don't see what Observer's rant had to do with the topic of the thread though.  Oh well. Can't make sense out of nonsense I guess.
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