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deficit reduction?? Dont believe it.

Posted By: gt on 2005-08-16
In Reply to: That's good. Lets all stand up and applaud Bush & Co. for decreasing the 427 billion - Democrat

Sorry, but I dont believe the reduction figures.  This administration has lied about almost everything that I frankly dont believe these figures.  We shall wait and see and most probably the figures will be proven to be wrong, as most everything coming from this administration..


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    Dear Miss Thang. If you dont like it, dont watch.
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    rational to one is irrational to another..dont like it, dont read it
    Rational posts?  Well, maybe you would think that, however, I disagree..but, what the heck, from your continual posts attacking me over the past few months, it is obvious that we dont agree on anything.  Gotta tell ya, no one chases a person from a chat board..that is a lame excuse for someone who obviously was not able to hold his/her own with the smart liberals who post on this  liberal board.  So gt chased her/him away.  On please!  If a poster is getting to you, you just ignore their posts..dont click on them..Viola!  It is that easy!  Or dont come on the liberal board if you do not like liberal ideology!  Viola!  It is that easy!  So, Im here all the time am I?  Well, punkin, I see your handle always on both this board and the dinosaur board..er..I mean conservative board.  Is this what your debating has gotten down to?  Lets count and see who is here more often?  How ridiculous, how childish, how so....republican.  **BIG HUG**
    I dont hate Obama. I just dont see him as qualified
    nm
    Maybe it has to do with the deficit. If you
    up to your eyeballs in debt, then you are anti-American and don't support the ballooning deficit? Hey, it's as good as any other twisted logic we've had shoved down our throats the last 6 years.
    You dont get it. Most dont want O to fail, they feel
    nm
    Look what he has done to the deficit in 2 months....
    something it took Bush 8 years, and attack on this country and a war to do. No one has attacked us, and he has managed to double the debt in 2 months. Just think what he can do in 4...6...MONTHS, not years. And he won't be able to fix it just taxing the "rich." So, along with the promise to get all the troops out of Iraq (reneged already), along with the promise to do a line-by-line and stop earmarks (there were only 900+ on the bill he just signed - reneged already), will be the "I'm sorry, but the economy is lookin better and we have to raise taxes"...that will be the next one he reneges on. Unless of course you are in that bracket who gets refunds when you don't even pay taxes...is that where you are? No wonder you love him. All hail the great and powerful 0. lol.
    Well, "dems", you have a big credibility deficit
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    The Solution to the Budget Deficit


    by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective




    Peter

    Peter Peterson. (Photo: Reuters)




        Peter Peterson is coming to get your Social Security and Medicare. Peterson was the commerce secretary in the Nixon administration. He then went on to make billions of dollars as one of the top executives at the Blackstone Group, a private equity fund. Mr. Peterson is known as one of the top beneficiaries of the fund managers' tax break, through which he personally pocketed tens of millions of dollars.


        Mr. Peterson has been using his Wall Street wealth to attack these social insurance programs for decades, but he recently stepped up his efforts. Last year, he spent $1 billion to endow the Peter G. Peterson Foundation to further his efforts.


        In politics, it's not easy to counter the impact of $1 billion. In addition to its money, the Peterson crew enjoys the support of many important news outlets, most importantly The Washington Post, which pushes his line on both its editorial and news pages.


        In fact, The Post even went so far as to identify Peterson's foundation by its boilerplate, an organization that "advocates for federal fiscal responsibility," instead of telling readers of its political leanings, the normal mode of identification for such organizations. (The Center for Economic and Policy Research was established "to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives.")


        While the Peterson crew may have the money and the support of the media, the rest of us can rely on logic and ridicule to counter the attack. In this spirit, we have the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. (Mr. Peterson is apparently fond of having things named after him. In addition to his new Peter G. Peterson Foundation, he also has a think tank named after him, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics.)


        The Peterson tax credit would essentially take the Peterson crew at their word. They claim that they are worried that huge tax burdens will leave future generations worse off than the generations that preceded them.


        This isn't true. There is no plausible scenario, short of war or environmental disaster, that would leave future generations worse off than their parents or grandparents. But we don't have to argue with the billionaire; let's just give future generations the option to trade places with their parents or grandparents who made out so well.


        This is where the tax credit comes in. The tax credit would allow an individual to trade her after-tax income for the after-tax income that someone born 20 or 40 years sooner would have earned at the same age. For example, if someone born in 1990 believes in 2020 that their grandparents got a better deal, they would simply check off the year 1940, and they would have their taxes adjusted so that they would have the same after-tax income of a person born in 1940, when they were also age 30.


        Of course, the young ones would end up big losers in this story. Real wages, on average, will be more than 50 percent higher in 2020 than they were in 1970. Even if tax rates were, on average, 5 percentage points higher, workers in 2020 will still have after-tax wages that are more than 40 percent higher than their counterparts in 1970.


        This means that anyone who chose to take advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit would end up as a big loser. That is why it can help solve the deficit problem. If people check off the tax credit, they will pay more in taxes and, therefore, increase government revenue.


        It might be hard to convince large numbers of people to voluntarily pay more in taxes. This is where the Peterson Foundation comes in. They are spending huge amounts of money trying to convince young people that they are being ripped off by their parents and grandparents. They are even promoting front groups of young people to advance this effort.


        With his billion dollars, Peterson could convince a huge number of gullible young people to tax advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit. Insofar as he is successful in this effort, he can help to generate billions of dollars that can be used for items like health care, preschool education, and other pressing needs.


        So, let's join efforts with Mr. Peterson and encourage his followers to take advantage of the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. There is a word for taking money from willfully ignorant young people who would deny their parents and grandparents the Social Security and Medicare benefits they need to survive: justice.


    Bush Created The Deficit
    You should at least give the new president the opportunity to try to change things. He has to take a radical approach as the "business-as-usual" attitude in Washington would rather sit around and watch our economy and nation crumble than come up with any real, workable solutions.

    Bush was handed a surplus when he took office and look how he managed to get us deep into debt. He left this legacy to the current administration to try to straighten out.

    Republicans should put partisanship behind them and do what is right for this country - not themselves. When they were elected, they were supposed to represent all the people...
    Unless you're God, you can't cut the deficit in half AND
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    The deficit is coming down. It is down by 18 billion just recently

    how do you know no one has anyone serving over there.  You have no way of knowing that.


    Interview with Clinton RE: Bush's deficit
    Tax cuts are always popular, Clinton said. But about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.

    Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts, Clinton added. We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


    Clinton also discussed bringing world leaders together to combat the world's chronic problems — including extreme poverty, global warming and religious conflicts — as well as the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort and Hillary Clinton's political future.


    The interview follows:


    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, good to see you again.


    FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON: Thank you, George.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: We're here on your initiative, and I want to talk about that, but let's begin with Katrina. President Bush has brought you into the recovery effort, but he's not taking all of your advice. You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He says no tax increase of any kind. We're spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something's got to give.


    CLINTON: Well, that's what I think. I think this idea — I think it's very important that Americans understand, you know, tax cuts are always popular, but about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.


    They're responsible for this big structural deficit, and they're not going away, the deficits aren't. Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts. We have never done this before. Never in the history of our republic have we ever financed a conflict, military conflict, by borrowing money from somewhere else.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: The president is not going to move. What do Democrats do?


    CLINTON: They should continue to oppose it, and they should make it an issue in the 2006 election, and they should make it an issue in the 2008 election. And they should hope, to goodness, for the sake of our country, that the cows don't come home before we have time to rectify it.


    I mean, sooner or later, just think what would happen if the Chinese — We're pressing the Chinese now, a country not nearly rich as America per capita, to keep loaning us money with low interest to cover my tax cut, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Katrina and at the same time to raise the value of their currency so their imports into our country will become more expensive, and our exports to them will become less expensive. And by the way, we don't want to let them buy any oil companies or anything like that.


    So what if they just got tired of buying our debt? What if the Japanese got tired of doing it? Japan's economy is beginning to grow again. Suppose they decided they wanted to keep some of their money at home and invest it in Japan, because they're starting to grow?


    We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: Is there anything coming out of this initiative here that you can apply directly to Katrina and the poverty we saw revealed there?


    CLINTON: Oh, yes, we have raised quite a bit of money for Katrina here. And former President Bush and I, you know, we were asked to raise money. We already have $90 million to $100 million. And what we're trying to do is make sure that our money goes directly to the poorest people who have been dislodged by working with church groups and others. We're working on some mechanisms now to do that, and we'll have some announcements in the next week or so.


    But I think there will be a lot of money coming forward from the federal government. A lot of it will be necessary, you know, to build the infrastructure, rebuild the fabric of life and not simply in New Orleans but along the Gulf Coast.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: The Gulf Coast.


    CLINTON: Yes; you know, keep in mind, Mississippi was devastated. Everything from a mile in Mississippi was blown down, and Alabama, but we've got to do that.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me; the problems of race that were tied to poverty here, and I know you don't think there's any conscious racism at play in the response, but we saw one more time blacks and whites looked at this event through very different eyes. What can President Bush do about that, and looking back, do you think there was anything more you could have done as president?


    CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of disaster management.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: But the racial divide.


    CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of that. For example, we had the lowest African-American unemployment, the lowest African-American poverty rate ever recorded. We had the highest homeownership, highest business ownership, and we moved 100 times as many people out of poverty in eight years as had been moved out in the previous 12 years.


    This is a matter of public policy, and whether it's race-based or not, if you give your tax cuts to the rich and hope everything works out all right, and poverty goes up, and it disproportionately affects black and brown people, that's a consequence of the action made. That's what they did in the '80s; that's what they've done in this decade.


    Palin's amazing geographic deficit.
    According to CNN report:  Sarah Palin cannot name the NAFTA countries....there are only 3 (US, Mexico and Canada), the 7 CAFTA countries, thinks Africa is a COUNTRY rather than a continent (!) and believes South Africa is a region of the African "country" instead of its own separate country.  She's got a lot of catch up to do between now and 2012. 
    Deficit Soars in Obama's Budget
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964/
    Obobblehead QUADRUPLED the deficit in 4 months!
    How much more time do you want to give this numbnut before you'll admit he's bad for America?

    If a rabid dog is chewing on my leg, I don't have to wait a yaer to figure out if it hurts.
    Just read today that the deficit is projected to go down to 313 billion very soon. sm
    That's well over 100 billion less, but I know how hard it is to shape the words of appreciation for Hitler Nazi war criminal Bush, so the rest of us will just celebrate.
    Attention deficit disorder? Don't flame lies....
    to get attention. The attack on the USS Cole was pre-Bush. The "terrorists"were placed in Gitmo during Ws term - actually, they've only convicted 2 - and they have languished at taxpayers expense for what? No evidence. No proof of wrongdoing. Most were imprisoned illegally, hence, the need for flushing habeas corpus. Get your head out of your own butt.
    Over a $10 trillion dollar deficit today? That didn't happen on O's watch.
    Yes, they need to trim down a lot of the programs crammed in the current stimulus package. But I don't approve of McCain's, either. Giving the top 10% a tax break benefits NO ONE but the top 10%. They drink imported wines, buy designer clothes and travel to foreign destinations - how does that benefit the bulk of Americans? It takes $30,000 to $40,000 in gas just to fill up their yachts - who does that benefit? Not us. Instead of "screw the poor!" - how about "screw the rich!"
    I dont WANT war. Dont judge me!
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    you dont even know me
    Talk about generalizing.  LOL.  You dont know these posters, for pete sake.  Most of us are extremists?  Give me a break.  What are you a radical neocon snooping on the liberal board trying to start trouble?  Only someone wanting to start would make a statement like that.
    Dont lie, that is all
    What are you even posting about?  A conservative got caught in a lie, which is not so uncommon..the lie was proven..PERIOD..Nothing more than that..I guess the lesson is, DONT LIE cause in this day and age, with print, email, bulletin boards, tapes, voice mail, you name it, you will be caught and then your credibility will be questioned. 
    so are u saying that you dont sin?
    Wow, you are like the only perfect person in the whole world!
    Dont believe God had anything to do with it.
    nm
    LOL! Dont you know? EVERYTHING is
    nm
    dont you have any

    family or friends that you might think about for a while.  The victors of the election hold no truck with you.


     


    I dont see it that way, but then again, I am not
    nm
    I dont agree
    I dont agree with the Supreme Idiot Court's decision on eminent domain, not at all..Such a wrong decision..However, I do feel when it comes to an adult woman, the decision over her body is hers and let her stand in judgment with her maker if the decision was wrong..I dont think a child has the right to an abortion without a parents consent, as painful as it will be to the child.  I hope they do take the Supreme Court Justices property away and build a darn hotel..we need to fight back, now, as our rights are being slowly taken away.
    A christian, hun?? I dont think so

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    you dont know what you are talking about
    A xtian republican understanding jewish situations?  Oh please!  When it comes to jews, you do not know what you are talking about. 
    Dont comment, please
    A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
    dont blame me
    Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
    dont preach
    Oh please, we also do not give sermons to other Americans how to act in a tragedy.  I blame whomever is at the helm of the ship when tragedy strikes.  I blame this administration for cuts in the federal money sent to states..I blame Bush for not knowing what the heck he is doing with this tragedy.  Even officials of FEMA are speaking out about no aid coming New Orleans way, too little too late and thankfully the people will remember this next November when we vote.  Please, do not try to tell others what we should and should not do.  The disaster could have been averted, if they had the money to reinforce the levees..but no, that money had to go to Iraq so we could kill more people..Have you helped the victims yet?  Well, I have..sniff..sniff..I smell a usual conservative poster to the liberal board using a different handle right now..is that you?? 
    Dont let the door hit ya on the way out!
    Well, sweetie pie, if this liberal posting on a liberal board is bothering you..why dont you just mosey on back to the conservative board and then I wont be disturbing you?  No one is forcing you to come over here.  The disturbing thing, however, is that I fight back and debate  and will not let the neocon gang of three bully me.  Maybe it bothers you that you have met your match and that quite a few liberals are standing up to your nonsense..Getting to ya, huh?  Goooooooood..
    I dont know who are you to insult

    you.  I certainly do not know your husband.  I did not read your post, if you are referring to one, so if you take particular posts on a board as aimed solely at you, that is not my problem, but yours.


     


    Yes! -and dont like to be mean, really, but "Barney"
    nm
    But YOU sure do, dont'cha?

    gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
    nm
    dont fool yourself
    I am a Christian also and always first.  I have been a Christian all of my life.  My father is a Baptist preacher.  I believe in Jesus and try to live my life for him.  Dont kid yourself that John McCain and Sarah Palin are moral.  There is not one, not one politician who is moral.  None of them run the country with God's plan in mind.  If they did, our world would not be like it is.  Obama is not saying that he agrees that abortion is okay because he passes a vote for it.  He is saying that a woman has the right to choose it for herself.  Would he choose abortion for his wife, NO.  But he doesnt feel that he should take the choice of free will from someone else.  God gave us free will to sin or not to sin.  We have the free will that God granted us to choose, choose Jesus, not choose Jesus.  We each, individually will be held accountable for our choices.  Why is giving someone a choice in a matter wrong?  It is what that person chooses that is right or wrong and they are the ones that have to answer for it. 
    Once again Mrs M, you have it SO wrong and dont
    nm
    dont try 2 explain it to her... she cant get it
    she keeps stating she is basing her reply off of the OP.  She doesnt understand how the board works and which post is the original.  That is why she is so confused and doesnt make sense to anyone.  I tried to explain it but she is to hateful to get it.  Just let it go, its not worth it.
    sorry dont agree
    you say this as Exxon Mobile has record profits just for this quarter.  Those record profits are made off of the backs of the working class, charging us over 4.00 for one gallon of gas.  I think they should pay more taxes, have less tax breaks or whatever it takes to help out the middle man.  I am spending a fortune in gas as inflation goes up but my paycheck stays the same.  My dollar is stretched beyond what a dollar is worth.  Meanwhile, they are stuffing their pockets with my money.  It makes me sick.
    You believe Obama. Okay, well I dont.
    nm
    but i dont even bite!
    i promise
    Sorry... "should go to those". We dont need another
    nm
    YOU DONT KNOW THIS!. Debate going on ..they
    nm
    and I dont' find that bad-
    President-Elect Obama moved into the house on the day it is customary for the President-Elect to move into the Blair house. It was already booked for functions well in advance and I think it would have been tacky for them to cancel the advance reservations.
    the thing I dont get...
    is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...

    but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
    the thing I dont get...
    is WHY... He's just the friggen president. and if they say it's not about race, THEN WHAT IS IT? I get that he has millions of supporters, that is not unusual at all... but the mere fact of the substance of how they support him is weird...

    but I guess it's like me wearing my favorite bands t-shirt right? Or maybe a Sports team that i like? uh huh... celebrity status...
    The statistics lie then? Dont think so. They are
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    I dont think she is judging her on her looks alone
    And you cant post pics on the politics board...