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The deficit is coming down. It is down by 18 billion just recently

Posted By: sm on 2005-08-12
In Reply to: Look down board. sm. - DixieDew

how do you know no one has anyone serving over there.  You have no way of knowing that.




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    Just read today that the deficit is projected to go down to 313 billion very soon. sm
    That's well over 100 billion less, but I know how hard it is to shape the words of appreciation for Hitler Nazi war criminal Bush, so the rest of us will just celebrate.
    and my mother recently said to me (sm)
    It doesn't matter who wins...when it is time it is going to happen, regardless of what we do. If he is meant to be in office he will be. God's plan will come to pass no matter what.
    What was it I just read recently...
    ... somewhere, about how yet another large chunk of the porkulus was going to install a guardrail around a particular reservoir.

    Only one problem... the reservoir is dry, and no one goes there.

    Maybe it was this one. If so, it's been canceled. Thank heaven for the occasional wiser head....

    http://www.propublica.org/ion/stimulus/item/politics-get-a-stimulus-at-100-day-mark-616

    UCLA released a study recently that said...
    that the New Deal probably prolonged the depression by at least 7 years. Are you sure that socialism is what the market needs--it is my thought that this problem was well on its way before Bush came into office--caused by the interference in the market that was already in place.
    Have you priced medical insurance recently?
    The $1000 may be a little exaggerated, but 6 years ago when I wanted to get a policy that covered merely 1 daughter and I, the quoted rate was $700/month. Even through work, a family policy runs around $600/month just for the medical, probably another $50 combined for the dental/vision. Between copays and prescriptions (even generic), you can add a little bit more to that. So while I agree that $1000 might be high, $700 would likely be a low conservative estimate. And, as noted, I'm basing my numbers on 5 years ago; since it's regularly on the news that the cost of policies has gone up, the $1000 may not be too far off.
    Right. A friend of mine belonged to a union recently.
    nm
    Yeah, well 1 million protested our Govt recently too.
    nm
    I think Gore has turned off enough people recently that most Dems don't even support him.
    Thank God he was not elected. 
    Maybe it has to do with the deficit. If you
    up to your eyeballs in debt, then you are anti-American and don't support the ballooning deficit? Hey, it's as good as any other twisted logic we've had shoved down our throats the last 6 years.
    Look what he has done to the deficit in 2 months....
    something it took Bush 8 years, and attack on this country and a war to do. No one has attacked us, and he has managed to double the debt in 2 months. Just think what he can do in 4...6...MONTHS, not years. And he won't be able to fix it just taxing the "rich." So, along with the promise to get all the troops out of Iraq (reneged already), along with the promise to do a line-by-line and stop earmarks (there were only 900+ on the bill he just signed - reneged already), will be the "I'm sorry, but the economy is lookin better and we have to raise taxes"...that will be the next one he reneges on. Unless of course you are in that bracket who gets refunds when you don't even pay taxes...is that where you are? No wonder you love him. All hail the great and powerful 0. lol.
    deficit reduction?? Dont believe it.
    Sorry, but I dont believe the reduction figures.  This administration has lied about almost everything that I frankly dont believe these figures.  We shall wait and see and most probably the figures will be proven to be wrong, as most everything coming from this administration..
    Well, "dems", you have a big credibility deficit
    nm
    The Solution to the Budget Deficit


    by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective




    Peter

    Peter Peterson. (Photo: Reuters)




        Peter Peterson is coming to get your Social Security and Medicare. Peterson was the commerce secretary in the Nixon administration. He then went on to make billions of dollars as one of the top executives at the Blackstone Group, a private equity fund. Mr. Peterson is known as one of the top beneficiaries of the fund managers' tax break, through which he personally pocketed tens of millions of dollars.


        Mr. Peterson has been using his Wall Street wealth to attack these social insurance programs for decades, but he recently stepped up his efforts. Last year, he spent $1 billion to endow the Peter G. Peterson Foundation to further his efforts.


        In politics, it's not easy to counter the impact of $1 billion. In addition to its money, the Peterson crew enjoys the support of many important news outlets, most importantly The Washington Post, which pushes his line on both its editorial and news pages.


        In fact, The Post even went so far as to identify Peterson's foundation by its boilerplate, an organization that "advocates for federal fiscal responsibility," instead of telling readers of its political leanings, the normal mode of identification for such organizations. (The Center for Economic and Policy Research was established "to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives.")


        While the Peterson crew may have the money and the support of the media, the rest of us can rely on logic and ridicule to counter the attack. In this spirit, we have the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. (Mr. Peterson is apparently fond of having things named after him. In addition to his new Peter G. Peterson Foundation, he also has a think tank named after him, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics.)


        The Peterson tax credit would essentially take the Peterson crew at their word. They claim that they are worried that huge tax burdens will leave future generations worse off than the generations that preceded them.


        This isn't true. There is no plausible scenario, short of war or environmental disaster, that would leave future generations worse off than their parents or grandparents. But we don't have to argue with the billionaire; let's just give future generations the option to trade places with their parents or grandparents who made out so well.


        This is where the tax credit comes in. The tax credit would allow an individual to trade her after-tax income for the after-tax income that someone born 20 or 40 years sooner would have earned at the same age. For example, if someone born in 1990 believes in 2020 that their grandparents got a better deal, they would simply check off the year 1940, and they would have their taxes adjusted so that they would have the same after-tax income of a person born in 1940, when they were also age 30.


        Of course, the young ones would end up big losers in this story. Real wages, on average, will be more than 50 percent higher in 2020 than they were in 1970. Even if tax rates were, on average, 5 percentage points higher, workers in 2020 will still have after-tax wages that are more than 40 percent higher than their counterparts in 1970.


        This means that anyone who chose to take advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit would end up as a big loser. That is why it can help solve the deficit problem. If people check off the tax credit, they will pay more in taxes and, therefore, increase government revenue.


        It might be hard to convince large numbers of people to voluntarily pay more in taxes. This is where the Peterson Foundation comes in. They are spending huge amounts of money trying to convince young people that they are being ripped off by their parents and grandparents. They are even promoting front groups of young people to advance this effort.


        With his billion dollars, Peterson could convince a huge number of gullible young people to tax advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit. Insofar as he is successful in this effort, he can help to generate billions of dollars that can be used for items like health care, preschool education, and other pressing needs.


        So, let's join efforts with Mr. Peterson and encourage his followers to take advantage of the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. There is a word for taking money from willfully ignorant young people who would deny their parents and grandparents the Social Security and Medicare benefits they need to survive: justice.


    Bush Created The Deficit
    You should at least give the new president the opportunity to try to change things. He has to take a radical approach as the "business-as-usual" attitude in Washington would rather sit around and watch our economy and nation crumble than come up with any real, workable solutions.

    Bush was handed a surplus when he took office and look how he managed to get us deep into debt. He left this legacy to the current administration to try to straighten out.

    Republicans should put partisanship behind them and do what is right for this country - not themselves. When they were elected, they were supposed to represent all the people...
    Unless you're God, you can't cut the deficit in half AND
    nm
    Interview with Clinton RE: Bush's deficit
    Tax cuts are always popular, Clinton said. But about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.

    Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts, Clinton added. We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


    Clinton also discussed bringing world leaders together to combat the world's chronic problems — including extreme poverty, global warming and religious conflicts — as well as the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort and Hillary Clinton's political future.


    The interview follows:


    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Mr. President, good to see you again.


    FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON: Thank you, George.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: We're here on your initiative, and I want to talk about that, but let's begin with Katrina. President Bush has brought you into the recovery effort, but he's not taking all of your advice. You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He says no tax increase of any kind. We're spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something's got to give.


    CLINTON: Well, that's what I think. I think this idea — I think it's very important that Americans understand, you know, tax cuts are always popular, but about half of these tax cuts since 2001 have gone to people in my income group, the top 1 percent. I've gotten four tax cuts.


    They're responsible for this big structural deficit, and they're not going away, the deficits aren't. Now, what Americans need to understand is that that means every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina and our tax cuts. We have never done this before. Never in the history of our republic have we ever financed a conflict, military conflict, by borrowing money from somewhere else.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: The president is not going to move. What do Democrats do?


    CLINTON: They should continue to oppose it, and they should make it an issue in the 2006 election, and they should make it an issue in the 2008 election. And they should hope, to goodness, for the sake of our country, that the cows don't come home before we have time to rectify it.


    I mean, sooner or later, just think what would happen if the Chinese — We're pressing the Chinese now, a country not nearly rich as America per capita, to keep loaning us money with low interest to cover my tax cut, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Katrina and at the same time to raise the value of their currency so their imports into our country will become more expensive, and our exports to them will become less expensive. And by the way, we don't want to let them buy any oil companies or anything like that.


    So what if they just got tired of buying our debt? What if the Japanese got tired of doing it? Japan's economy is beginning to grow again. Suppose they decided they wanted to keep some of their money at home and invest it in Japan, because they're starting to grow?


    We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense. I think it's wrong.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: Is there anything coming out of this initiative here that you can apply directly to Katrina and the poverty we saw revealed there?


    CLINTON: Oh, yes, we have raised quite a bit of money for Katrina here. And former President Bush and I, you know, we were asked to raise money. We already have $90 million to $100 million. And what we're trying to do is make sure that our money goes directly to the poorest people who have been dislodged by working with church groups and others. We're working on some mechanisms now to do that, and we'll have some announcements in the next week or so.


    But I think there will be a lot of money coming forward from the federal government. A lot of it will be necessary, you know, to build the infrastructure, rebuild the fabric of life and not simply in New Orleans but along the Gulf Coast.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: The Gulf Coast.


    CLINTON: Yes; you know, keep in mind, Mississippi was devastated. Everything from a mile in Mississippi was blown down, and Alabama, but we've got to do that.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me; the problems of race that were tied to poverty here, and I know you don't think there's any conscious racism at play in the response, but we saw one more time blacks and whites looked at this event through very different eyes. What can President Bush do about that, and looking back, do you think there was anything more you could have done as president?


    CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of disaster management.


    STEPHANOPOULOS: But the racial divide.


    CLINTON: Well, I think we did a good job of that. For example, we had the lowest African-American unemployment, the lowest African-American poverty rate ever recorded. We had the highest homeownership, highest business ownership, and we moved 100 times as many people out of poverty in eight years as had been moved out in the previous 12 years.


    This is a matter of public policy, and whether it's race-based or not, if you give your tax cuts to the rich and hope everything works out all right, and poverty goes up, and it disproportionately affects black and brown people, that's a consequence of the action made. That's what they did in the '80s; that's what they've done in this decade.


    Palin's amazing geographic deficit.
    According to CNN report:  Sarah Palin cannot name the NAFTA countries....there are only 3 (US, Mexico and Canada), the 7 CAFTA countries, thinks Africa is a COUNTRY rather than a continent (!) and believes South Africa is a region of the African "country" instead of its own separate country.  She's got a lot of catch up to do between now and 2012. 
    Deficit Soars in Obama's Budget
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964/
    Obobblehead QUADRUPLED the deficit in 4 months!
    How much more time do you want to give this numbnut before you'll admit he's bad for America?

    If a rabid dog is chewing on my leg, I don't have to wait a yaer to figure out if it hurts.
    Attention deficit disorder? Don't flame lies....
    to get attention. The attack on the USS Cole was pre-Bush. The "terrorists"were placed in Gitmo during Ws term - actually, they've only convicted 2 - and they have languished at taxpayers expense for what? No evidence. No proof of wrongdoing. Most were imprisoned illegally, hence, the need for flushing habeas corpus. Get your head out of your own butt.
    Over a $10 trillion dollar deficit today? That didn't happen on O's watch.
    Yes, they need to trim down a lot of the programs crammed in the current stimulus package. But I don't approve of McCain's, either. Giving the top 10% a tax break benefits NO ONE but the top 10%. They drink imported wines, buy designer clothes and travel to foreign destinations - how does that benefit the bulk of Americans? It takes $30,000 to $40,000 in gas just to fill up their yachts - who does that benefit? Not us. Instead of "screw the poor!" - how about "screw the rich!"
    Oh, it isn't $700 billion any more... it is
    now $850 billion!!, I am shocked both Senators from LA, 1 Dem (Landrieu) and 1 Rep (Vitter), voted NO.
    34 BILLION...............
    To the poster who said ALL the garbage had been taken out of the stimulus bill, which of course hasn't, I suppose you believe the Dept of Commerce spending 34 BILLION of our money is just fine, especially since they are a huge anti-American group to begin with.   Do your homework.....Dept of Commerce is not the least bit interested in businesses in this country.  
    Gee, $1.2 billion?
    pretty soon we'll be talking about real money! 
    You will never be able to deny that $559 billion
    su
    That would have been 30 billion to ACORN of the...sm
    return on the investments. That and other returns going to special interests.


    Think about it. This is an investment. NOT a bailout. They need to get rid of that word.


    If the dems wanted to write in 30 billion dollars to the ACORN from future profits....and others....they know this is an investment.


    They need to tell the public this.


    These profits need to be returned to the taxpayer, and to Social Security and pay down the national debt.


    Not more special interests.





    That's a big holdup of all the add ons that the dems put on, that need to be changed for the good of the people.


    They need to get back closer to three pages....instead of 103 pages of earmarks for special interests.




    I thought it came out of the 700 billion as...
    part of the consumer housing protection part of it. The way I understand the 700 billion is that is how much is allotted but nothing in the bill said specifically how it was going to be spent other than to "rescue" the economy. The bill did have mortgage protections in it, meaning "try to keep people in their homes." So, I believe that he is saying 300 billion of the 700 billion would go to that purpose.
    $14 billion in taxes isn't even a
    Certainly, no reason to legalize a dangerous substance, which is what pot is.

    Let's reverse all the smoking restrictions and get all our kids hooked on cigarettes instead, if that's our logic. We'll make a lot more than $14 billion!

    Stamp out tobacco and legalize pot. We're doing some real good thinking here.

    And hey! You! Drop that Twinkie and put your hands in the air! Wipe those crumbs off your lips! This is the Fat Police you're dealing with, buster, and you're goin' downtown. Lookout boys! He's got a can of whipped cream under his shirt!

    (Later, at home): Son, I'm so disappointed in you. Why can't you smoke pot like all the other kids?
    700 billion dispersed to every citizen would only come to
    .
    I heard this morning it was over $850 billion...
    with added stuff...one particular one I saw was for wool research and wooden children's arrows of all things. The Republicans did manage to get some tax cuts in there that will help to a point so that maybe not so much of the $700 billion will have to go out...because people will be encouraged to invest again. A drop in the bucket probably, but at least a try. Now it has to go back to the house and no telling what they will want to add. The bill went from what was posted on the internet (about 10 pages I think) to 450+. Sigh. THAT kind of experience we don't need anymore of. Bring on Sarah Palin. I wish we could replace every member of congress with common sense folks like Sarah Palin. THAT is change I can believe in. I am sick to DEATH of Washington Politics as usual.

    As to Dodd and Frank...I hear that! Not willing to accept one iota of the blame when they should have all of it. And where is the mainstream media? Out to lunch? Can you imagine what will happen to this country if Obama is elected, with a Democrat majority and mainstream media cover? What is WRONG with people? Hellooo. Sigh.
    Mccain did say that he had a plan to use 300 billion...
    of the 700 billion to buy back bad mortgages and renegotiate them to a fixed rate so that people could stay in their homes. Obama said this morning that was a bad idea and it rewarded bad lenders. But it WOULD protect the homeowners. He can't have it both ways, and neither can you.

    Obama has not said how he will fix the economic crisis either. He talks in generalities. He said that yes, maybe some programs should be cut, but won't given even ONE example. He says he still plans to raise taxes on the rich (which are the businesses, the corporations, most of the jobmakers in this country). Now you tell ME how THAT is going to HELP the economy.

    McCain has said he would FREEZE spending except for the most necessary programs. THAT is what will HELP the economy. If Obama said freeze spending his base woudl go apoplectic.

    McCain has said more specific things than Obama has said about getting us out of his crisis. You just aren't listening to anyone but Obama and the Obama campaign. I am listening to BOTH of them.
    errr...$2.1 billion committment....
    Why can I not type?
    It took spending 1-1/2 BILLION dollars a month...sm
    over years on the war in Iraq to get us to this point, borrowing from other countries, the highest deficit ever, printing money by the government with no gold behind it to drive the value of our dollar down around the world. Nothing to do with the democrats. When Bush became president we had a huge surplus. Did you forget that?
    Remember the $150 billion in TARP "sweeteners"
    That one was sorta like a bribe to get pubs onboard. This bill rider is a bit different, maybe a tad more understandable but nonetheless, pretty hard to swallow, given the circumstances. Apparently, whereas Congress gets an automatic COLA raise, judges' raises have to be subjected to vote. In 6 of the last 13 years, judges were denied COLA raises (leaving their salaries stagnated at a mere $169,300 annually). This particular measure was the only remaining unresolved issue remaining on this lame duck congressional session. They will be getting 2.3% raise, if it passes. Here's a link:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081210/ap_on_go_co/judicial_pay_raise
    Keating 5 cost taxpayers $125 billion.
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    Fannie/Freddie going to cost 7 billion...
    if we are lucky.
    Yeah.Like it's hard to live with $12 Billion

    8600 earmarks = 6 BILLION DOLLARS!
    to that line by line lie Obama told when he wanted to be elected?  He hasn't looked at one page, let one line by line...... thanks to all who put such a thug and liar in office! 
    Unemployed? Government will give you $1 BILLION to fix Iraq

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    Miss Wasilla please chill, a 30-billion pipeline is not God's Will! nm
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    Figure 2 billion a week for 5, going on 6, years on an illadvised war,
    700 billion a year on foreign oil, robberbarons in Iraq, Blackwater, Halliburton, on and on and on.  That's where your money went, folks.  And the average man will have to fend for himself for the necessities of life; food, clothing, shelter, life itself. This is the mess we are in, and we can only blame ourselves for not speaking out.  We had a gov't at one time that was for the people, by the people.  It's gone, folks, and we let it slip away. 
    Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
    x
    Bush inherited a 559 billion surplus nuff said? NM
    x
    George Soros is having "a very good recession". Made $2.9 billion.

    So, this "man of the people" who funds the loony left and wants all the rest of us to be communists rakes in $billions from the recession.  He's out there picking up stuff at bargain-basement prices just like JP Morgan and his kind did.


    Disgusting.


    That's good. Lets all stand up and applaud Bush & Co. for decreasing the 427 billion
    dollar projected budget to 333 billion (which they are attributing to a tighter budget and more tax revenue).

    Going from a surplus to a 333 billion dollar deficit, not to shabby, eh?
    Where is this coming from? sm
    When you same something this inflammatory, this hateful, this destructive, and this untrue, you need to give a source other than your personal opinion.
    No, I don't get where you are coming from.....
    Did a gay/lesbian person EVER push their lifestyle on you? If so, they were simply classless people. I have never had that happen with couples (2 separate people tried to hit on me, same sex, but, they erroneously thought I was of the same ilk). What people do in their bedroom is their own business. I was raised in a small town, my family was well acquainted with several gay couples. One of the ladies was a very powerful deputy sheriff who commanded respect and who also owned half the town. She was one of the most intelligent, fascinating people I have ever met. I was raised to look at it as a non-issue. It didn't change who those people were. We loved them no matter what.
    this coming from the
    person who told another poster to "shut up" recently.  War, economy, health care.  We are dealing with horrific problems here.
    Where are you coming from?

    The post that Zville put up had only 2 responses besides yourself.  How that has anything to do with "rabid Republicans" and the rest of your post is out of line.  No one but you mentioned the different parties. 


     


    What is coming......sm
    No need to check this out on Snopes because it won't be there. This actually happened to a friend's friend and my friend told me about it.

    I ordered a pizza and when the delivery guy comes to the door I see he is an older guy. With a heavy accent he pointed to my yard sign and said "That is right, no Obama, yes McCain." I nodded in approval and said "Thats right!" and he went on to say "I lived 37 years under a communist government, and what is coming, is communism."

    Now, if that don't scare ya straight, I don't know what will.
    Coming to the top with you...

    I just didn't want this message to get lost below.


    This post is nothing but an opinion by an unidentified author from an obscure website.  This website is run by a guy named Jeff Rense.  He also does a radio talk show about UFO sightings.  Nice research there partner!