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for new pres foremost, to keep us safe.

Posted By: remember, he has not won. (nm) on 2008-11-03
In Reply to: What is the one thing you want an Obama presidency to accomplish? - onlyinamerica

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really wanna barf - guess who steps up as pres. if something awful happens to the pres and vp??? nm
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First and foremost - I am an American
Stupd is as stupid does. His stepfather was muslim. His biological father had nothing to do with his upbringing and his grandparents (white folks from Kansas) raised him. He went to a primarily Muslim school and also Catholic schools. He is a Christian. But, Christians can be violent terrorists just as much as Muslims. Please research before you make judgments - it just makes you look ignorant.
First and foremost, Obama was not sent by God... SM

nor was his winning the election the will of God.  It was by God's gift of free will to mankind that Obama was elected.  Mankind's will is not always (and most of the time not ever) in line with the will of God.  God would no more send Obama to be our leader than he would "send" Satan to lead.  You did get one thing right, it is a test for all His followers (God's, not Obama's – lest you confuse the two).  Being excited about Obama being in office and fainting in his presence, fixating on what he's ordering for lunch, calling him "The One," and as you called him the deliverer from your oppressor is taking "excitement" to another unhealthy, dangerous level.  I'm not promoting myself.  I'm hoping that with all the "intellect" all you Obama groupies claim to possess, you might recognize the fact that all this hoopla has become more than just mere excitement.  My belief system is what inspires me and my relationship with God is what led me to post my original post.  You are on very dangerous ground.  However, as an atheist, this is not unfamiliar territory for you.


I understand the need for change.  I haven't been exactly thrilled in the last eight years with how President Bush handled some things.  However, wanting change without definition is very dangerous.  Obama is different and he offers "change" but at what cost?


I haven't "sang" the praises of President Bush.  Did I vote for him?  Yes, twice.  This is what I will say about President Bush.  He is a patriot.  He made our national security his priority.  Like it or not, there is a war going on against terrorism.  It is a war that was brought to our front door.  We cannot ignore that.  Nor can we ignore the potential threat that Iran poses in its quest for nuclear capabilities.  Regardless of the fact that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, these weapons in the hands of terrorists, zealots, fundamentalist Muslims with a hatred toward us, towards Israel, is very scary and very dangerous.  These are the things President Bush addressed during his time in office.  Terrorism is real and is not going away.  And you don't have to tell me about the sacrifices our men and women in the military are making.  My husband is a military man.  My husband served in Desert Storm and he has done a tour in Iraq.  I know a great many soldiers who believe in what they are doing with every fiber of the being.  They are on the front lines and see the difference they are making.  They know what they are fighting.  You talk big about human rights and genocide and yet you criticize our presence in Iraq which single-handedly put an end to the reign of a evil genocidal dictator.


If you believe for one minute that Obama is going to change the way that Iran or any other country in the middle east view America you are very, very naive.  The only thing Obama will accomplish will be to weaken this country in an effort to make us more "likeable" to the world and in the end the only thing we will be is weak.


 


My dislike of Obama has nothing to do with the color of skin.  I point out his race only because that seems to be what everyone else finds to be so fabulous about his rise to power. 


 


Another arrow pointing to your naivete, this "global leader" Obama, this man called the "world's president" – do you believe this man is going to put an end to offshoring American jobs?  How can he make America liked and respected by other countries, and take away a source of income for so many in third world countries?   


 

There have been many a man of "vision," "intelligence," "compassion," and "faith," but none more so than the true Messiah, Jesus Christ.  How ironic and unfortunate you choose to worship Obama instead of Him!
First and foremost, Obama was not sent by God... SM

nor was his winning the election the will of God.  It was by God's gift of free will to mankind that Obama was elected.  Mankind's will is not always (and most of the time not ever) in line with the will of God.  God would no more send Obama to be our leader than he would "send" Satan to lead.  You did get one thing right, it is a test for all His followers (God's, not Obama's – lest you confuse the two).  Being excited about Obama being in office and fainting in his presence, fixating on what he's ordering for lunch, calling him "The One," and as you called him the deliverer from your oppressor is taking "excitement" to another unhealthy, dangerous level.  I'm not promoting myself.  I'm hoping that with all the "intellect" all you Obama groupies claim to possess, you might recognize the fact that all this hoopla has become more than just mere excitement.  My belief system is what inspires me and my relationship with God is what led me to post my original post.  You are on very dangerous ground.  However, as an atheist, this is not unfamiliar territory for you.


I understand the need for change.  I haven't been exactly thrilled in the last eight years with how President Bush handled some things.  However, wanting change without definition is very dangerous.  Obama is different and he offers "change" but at what cost?


I haven't "sang" the praises of President Bush.  Did I vote for him?  Yes, twice.  This is what I will say about President Bush.  He is a patriot.  He made our national security his priority.  Like it or not, there is a war going on against terrorism.  It is a war that was brought to our front door.  We cannot ignore that.  Nor can we ignore the potential threat that Iran poses in its quest for nuclear capabilities.  Regardless of the fact that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, these weapons in the hands of terrorists, zealots, fundamentalist Muslims with a hatred toward us, towards Israel, is very scary and very dangerous.  These are the things President Bush addressed during his time in office.  Terrorism is real and is not going away.  And you don't have to tell me about the sacrifices our men and women in the military are making.  My husband is a military man.  My husband served in Desert Storm and he has done a tour in Iraq.  I know a great many soldiers who believe in what they are doing with every fiber of the being.  They are on the front lines and see the difference they are making.  They know what they are fighting.  You talk big about human rights and genocide and yet you criticize our presence in Iraq which single-handedly put an end to the reign of a evil genocidal dictator.


If you believe for one minute that Obama is going to change the way that Iran or any other country in the middle east view America you are very, very naive.  The only thing Obama will accomplish will be to weaken this country in an effort to make us more "likeable" to the world and in the end the only thing we will be is weak.


 


My dislike of Obama has nothing to do with the color of skin.  I point out his race only because that seems to be what everyone else finds to be so fabulous about his rise to power. 


 


Another arrow pointing to your naivete, this "global leader" Obama, this man called the "world's president" – do you believe this man is going to put an end to offshoring American jobs?  How can he make America liked and respected by other countries, and take away a source of income for so many in third world countries?   


 

There have been many a man of "vision," "intelligence," "compassion," and "faith," but none more so than the true Messiah, Jesus Christ.  How ironic and unfortunate you choose to worship Obama instead of Him!
What part of "I am republican first and foremost" (Colin Powell)
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don't want either for pres.

Can we have her for pres instead of VP? LOL
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Less Safe
Bush and his group of neocons say we are more safe and secure due to his illegal war.  That is so not true.  We are less safe because of the Iraq war.  We have created a terrorist breeding ground and a reason for people of other countries to hate us even more.  I was shocked when the neocons linked up 9/11and Iraq.  There was no connection whatsoever, yet so many Americans believed the lies.  I can understand that a lot of Americans are not really into politics, gee, having to work two or three jobs, take care of a home and kids leaves little time..so we trust our leaders.  Well, in this situation we should not have trusted our leaders.  My motto always has been, **Question Authority**.
How exactly did he keep us safe?
What actual credible plot was derailed by him?
It is safe to say that his

future political career is in the dumpster.  At least he admitted it when he got caught instead of lying under oath like Clinton and at least his wife wasn't dying of cancer like Edwards wife supposedly was....but whatever.  Keep trashing pubs for mistakes that dems make all the time if it makes you feel better JTBB!


It is a shame that we have to hear about politicians doing this sort of thing and I do feel for his wife and kids.  He will have to live with the consequences of his actions.


Schwarzenneger for pres
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First Pres younger than me
and though I love him (am definitely a kool aid drinker, I admit) he looks like he's in junior high and it will be sad to see him age. Maybe it won't be too bad. He seems to like stress.
Who was Pres on 09/11/2001?
Why would anyone give him credit for PROTECTING us?
Have they done that with previous pres?
If they have done this with previous presidents, I really couldn't care less.  Anyone know the answer to this?
Agree with you, PK, but safe is only
a state of mind...just as is FREEDOM.  We have no freedom anymore, face it!  It's gone!, gone to the people who HATE US!  Just dispicable. And the really sad truth, Bush didn't do this all by himself, he's TOO STUPID.  For some reason, the higher echilon wants to be rid of the middle class which doesn't make much sense either as the middle class foots all of the bills.  By the time we all figure this out, it will be WAY TOO LATE.  Pessimistic? You bet I am. But, I just keep plugging away from day to day, doing the best I can, but waiting for the shoe to drop.  At least we aren't in the dark, which is more than I can say about the other 25% of the American people.
I don't think it's safe too share too much on here. SM

I did it once and I was crucified for it.  Won't do it again.  Truthfully, and this is not meant to be mean, I don't think I would have much in common with most on this board at all. 


I don't feel particularly safe -
I am not a Bush basher - I actually voted for him and have never once said that I should have voted differently. And you will not find one single bad comment about him on this board that has come from me.

That being said, from things I have been reading that are going on in the administration right now, I am really worried about how much damage can be done and how long it will take to fix that damage.

I felt the same way when Hillary/Bill left the white house - they screwed up a lot in those last days and that is one reason why Hillary did not get my vote this time.


I feel like Bush has actually done a pretty good job over all with all the problems he had to face during his 8 years - never said otherwise...


Bush Kept us Safe?
You are sadly mistaken. We're lucky he didn't get us blown off the face of the earth. Read history, don't try to rewrite it.
Who was keeping us safe before
9/11? So tired of hearing this crap. This was the first time ever (not this present president on watch) that the US was attacked on its own land and yet you talk about since 9/11. Why not even before then?? I think the attitude of most on here sucks. All chicken littles, scared. booooooo. See, made you jump.
Pres just had a press conference..
listened very discernibly, heard nothing different from his other press conferences...  Feel like I'm watching "Groundhog Day" starring Bill Murray, only Bill Murray is much more funny and quite a bit smarter!  When will get some real leadership?  We desparately need LEADERSHIP!!!
A little insight on Pres. Bush
I work in a very high profile media department, and part of my job is transcription of raw interviews. I have transcribed several transcripts of raw interview footage with Pres. Bush, and he is the most respectful, gracious, down-to-earth person behind the scenes you can imagine. It's not that fakey type of schmooze either. You can tell he's genuine. When there is a break in the interview process he's asking the crew about their families etc. He has a very kind heart.

Now, with that said I don't agree one hundred percent with all his policies. Some of the the things he has been for I have been totally against...amnesty for illegals is one of them.

I do not have one problem with people disagreeing with his policies but to personally say he's a bad person, compare him with Hitler and other evil people is not only beyond the pale it's just plain not true. I have also transcribed interviews of several members of the Bush family, and they are all warm loving people.

I could mention some people who are not gracious, but I'm not here to smear anyone's character on the basis of my professional knowledge, but I do feel I need to defend a person who is so unjustly character assassinated on a daily basis.

President Bush has very unfairly been painted to be evil by the media and the extreme left in this country. Again, nobody is forced to like him, but to say he's a bad evil person is just not right or factual, and I, for one will defend him on his character.
Discussion from Gab Board re Pres.

"First... I don't claim him. I think he's a tyrant to put it nicely and I think he is a warmonging hillbilly (and that's sad for the hillbillies because they are decent folk he gives a bad name). I told everyone not to vote for him last time... I tried to warn them. I didn't want him and he hasn't done anything to help me our my friends and family in the slightest, except make us look ridiculous on the international stage (which I can say because I live in Europe at the moment and I know how foolish they think us right now). Second, good for you. Maybe you should vote for McCain so that the pain (errr I mean pleasure) never ends. I bet the people that he's been against and not fought for (i.e., Katrina victims, Iowa flood victims, homosexuals, people with diseases that stem cell reasearch could help, innocent people in far off lands that lost family members and friends who were innocent victims) I bet they all share your same sentiments.. right? You can have him.. I bet right about now he's half price on the discount rack anyways! Third... you should be grateful she put "creatrue." Its probably how Bush spells and says it, so its a true representation. Fourth... I think the last time I checked it was a free country with free speech and allowed for people to have their own opinions. I have better names to call him than childish ones... but I won't use them since your so easily offended... are you his personal emotional filter? I doubt he cares what the American people call him... he's certainly proven he doesn't care what they think or how they feel... so why should we care about him? Thanks back atcha. I can have whatever opinion I want of the president and I can tell you, I am more the majority than you are."


Moving over here per Mod request.......


Of course you can have your opinion about President Bush.  I was just saying that the names are uncalled for.  Are you staying in Europe forever or are you planning on coming back to the U.S.?  Just curious. 


President Bush isn't perfect and there have been many mistakes, I do agree.  I did vote for him and agree with the vast majority of his conservative views.  I do plan on voting for John McCain in November.  But, if Obama is our next president, as much as I disagree with his views, I wouldn't call him names; but that's just me I guess. 


I do not envy anyone who is willing to take on the gigantic role of running the country.  I would not want the job in a million years.  I have respect for ANYONE, republican or democrat, who is ready and willing to take on this great responsibility. 


I still would like to know what a creatrue is and President Bush is NOT retarded.


You mean "proud of your pres-elect" (nm)

Just watched him with Pres Bush and
Obama in the White House, definitely no droop, no change at all in his appearance.
has anyone changed Pres choice in
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Name a pres that kept all his campaign promises?
I don't expect him to keep all his promises. In actuality, he really can't. None of the other presidents in my memory have been able to either. That is an unrealistic expectation. They say what they need to say to get elected.
too bad i'm not the pres - i'm control freakish enough 4 it
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Oh, pul-EEEZE. Any pres., Pub or Dem, deserves a
night out on the town once in a while. And of COURSE it cost $20,000! It's not like they can just hop on public transit with no Secret Service, and cruise on down to the local burger shop.
Praying for his safe return....nm

I sure hope you are right because I sure do not feel safe. sm
Have you heard this one?

The 19 little Arabs who hated our freedoms and got by NORAD.

Happy Holidays everyone & be safe.nm
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NY Safe Demo State
I wouldn't put any stock into NY being a "safe" democratic state. A lot of people I know who were pro-democraft are now going to vote for McCain.  I live in Western NY
Agreed! Glad we have been safe.
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Good for you. Everyone should feel safe. nm
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I feel safe and am grateful for that.
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and happy and safe Thanksgiving to you also - nm
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Baloney...George W. did not keep us safe from anything!
He is leaving office with the United States in shambles.
I have heard and read about how he kept safe
Well, 9/11 happened while he WAS president, what about that or is that not considered. The absolute worst event on US soil by us being attacked. Give me a break!
I'm glad our country has been kept safe and
I am free to do what I want when I want. My life has not changed. Do I feel safer because of the polices put in place...you bet! I thank my lucky stars we have policies in place that keep us safe. That when a plan is happening to destroy the country they can get to it before it comes to fruition.

As for your calls being listened to....that happened many many years ago. I do believe it happened during the Regan years (I'll be honest and tell you I can't find anything on the internet as to when it actually started) but I know for a fact it was happening during the Clinton administration.
Wonder how many who worked at the WTC felt safe on 9/10/01?
I'd bet about 100%. Doesn't mean much, does it? In fact, the majority are often wrong when it comes to things like this.
His memory is no more 'selective' than the current Pres..
and his cronies...
I like your line of thinking. LOL. You should run for pres. You'd have my vote. nm
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When GW Bush became pres, I did give him a chance even though
amazin
Gosh, this site might not be safe since you have IP information!!!

how does it feel?


I don't think it is safe to ignore people like Chomsky. sm
I have never been a head in the sand kind of person.  Especially when Hugo Chavez holds him up (as well as his book) as a shining example when speaking to the UN.
To be safe from terrorists and nukes from Iran
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Yes, am happy to still be safe and free. Hope
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Bush kept us safe after 9-11. Economy was great
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The OP said that Cheney said Obama could not keep us safe and could he now say "I told you so"
To me, that sounds like they are laying blame at Obama's feet for the flu. If I misread, then I apologize, but that is the way it came to me.
Transcript: Democratic response to Pres. Bush's

Good morning. This is Congressman Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the House Majority Leader.


Over the past several months, Democrats and Republicans in Congress have negotiated a bipartisan extension of the highly successful childrens health insurance program known as CHIP - a program enacted by a Republican-controlled Congress in 1997, with strong Democratic support, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.


CHIP provides health insurance coverage for over six and one-half million American children in families that earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford private insurance.


However, millions of other children who are currently eligible for this health insurance are not enrolled due to the programs limited resources.


To address this, our bipartisan legislation provides funding for approximately four million more children - ensuring that at least 10 million low-income children in our nation receive the health care coverage they need and deserve. Thats good for them and for our country.


This legislation does not change current eligibility guidelines. It simply strengthens CHIPs financing, covers more low-income children, and improves the quality of care they receive.


Sadly, on Wednesday, President Bush - in the face of bipartisan majorities in Congress, and contrary to the will of the American people - vetoed our bipartisan bill.

The President claims - wrongly - that this bill is fiscally irresponsible.


The truth is, this legislation is fully paid for. It does not add one nickel to the deficit or to the debt.


Furthermore, under the Presidents proposal more than 800,000 children who now receive coverage under CHIP would lose that coverage.


The President claims that this legislation would lead to a government takeover of health insurance. He is wrong.


The truth is, Americas largest private insurance lobbying group supports this bill - as do Americas doctors, nurses, childrens advocates, 43 governors, and, most importantly, 72 percent of Americans.


The claims made against this bill are simply wrong.


As Senator Pat Roberts, a senior Republican from Kansas, recently said: I am not for excessive spending and strongly oppose the federalization of health care. And if the Administrations concerns with this bill were accurate, I would support a veto. But, Senator Roberts added: Bluntly put, they are not.


Most puzzling of all, perhaps, is the fact that the Presidents veto violates his own campaign promise.


In 2004, at the Republican National Convention, the President promised (and I quote): In a new term, we will lead an aggressive effort to enroll millions of children who are eligible but not signed up for government health insurance programs. We will not allow, he said, a lack of attention, or information, to stand between these children and the health care they need.


But he has done just that.


But the Congress has done exactly what the President said he was going to do, if re-elected.


Yet today, the only thing standing between millions of American children and the health insurance they need and deserve is one person. The President is saying no to these children he promised to help.


This is a defining moment for this Congress.


In the words of Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican of Iowa, weve got to do what we can to try to override the Presidents veto.


In the days ahead, we will work to persuade many of our Republican colleagues, who insist on standing with the President, to instead join the bipartisan majorities in Congress - and Americas children - in overriding this veto.


I urge all of you: Contact your Member of Congress.


Ask them to support our children.


Ask them to do what the President promised to do when he sought re-election.


Ask them to vote to override the Presidents veto and ensure health care for our kids and for their future.


Thank you for listening. This is House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.


Lets put this nonsense to bed. Pres candidates born outside US
Here's the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

Here's the text. See. Isn't this EASY?

US presidential candidates born outside the US
"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights."[2] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.,[3] a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[4]

Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States.[5]

George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.

Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France and acquired his citizenship at birth through his parents. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[6]

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[7] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[8] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]

The mere fact of Constitutional ineligibility has not deterred some minor parties from nominating candidates for President who could not possibly serve in the office. For example, although some states have blocked ballot access for such candidates, the Socialist Workers Party nonetheless successfully placed its candidate, Róger Calero, on the ballot in Mississippi in 2004. [10]