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is why we are a target of terrorism.  US policies towards the middle east thus far have been nothing less than selfish.  What US news doesn't tell you about is how these policies actually affect people living there, and more often than not it is devastating.  That is where it began.

Granted, regardless of how we got here, we're in the middle of it right now and actions should be taken, but not actions like those that have been taken by the Bush administration.  The prisoners at Gitmo are a prime example.  They should have tried these people to see if they even needed to be there instead of holding them with no charges and torturing them.  The ones who are guilty should have gone through the legal system and suffered the consequences whether it be death or imprisonment. 

Here's what I see.  We went into Iraq on false pretenses about WMDs.  We found that to be false, so the cause was changed to saving the people of Iraq from a dictator -- a brutal dictator at that.  We were supposed to be providing them with democracy.  So, what do you think the Iraqi people think of us now?  Have we killed as many people as Saddam did yet?  Have we tortured people just like Saddam did?  Yes.  So, in their eyes, if this is now democracy, how much better is it than what they started out with?

If we are to set the standard by which other democracies use as a guideline, we need to get it right, and that includes respecting the culture, religion and social norms of other countries instead of trying to make them into something they are not.

is why we are a target of terrorism.  US policies towards the middle east thus far have been nothing less than selfish.  What US news doesn't tell you about is how these policies actually affect people living there, and more often than not it is devastating.  That is where it began.

Granted, regardless of how we got here, we're in the middle of it right now and actions should be taken, but not actions like those that have been taken by the Bush administration.  The prisoners at Gitmo are a prime example.  They should have tried these people to see if they even needed to be there instead of holding them with no charges and torturing them.  The ones who are guilty should have gone through the legal system and suffered the consequences whether it be death or imprisonment. 

Here's what I see.  We went into Iraq on false pretenses about WMDs.  We found that to be false, so the cause was changed to saving the people of Iraq from a dictator -- a brutal dictator at that.  We were supposed to be providing them with democracy.  So, what do you think the Iraqi people think of us now?  Have we killed as many people as Saddam did yet?  Have we tortured people just like Saddam did?  Yes.  So, in their eyes, if this is now democracy, how much better is it than what they started out with?

If we are to set the standard by which other democracies use as a guideline, we need to get it right, and that includes respecting the culture, religion and social norms of other countries instead of trying to make them into something they are not.

Another note:  You are saying that terror should be met with like force.  So, should Bush be waterboarded?

future political career is in the dumpster.  At least he admitted it when he got caught instead of lying under oath like Clinton and at least his wife wasn't dying of cancer like Edwards wife supposedly was....but whatever.  Keep trashing pubs for mistakes that dems make all the time if it makes you feel better JTBB!

It is a shame that we have to hear about politicians doing this sort of thing and I do feel for his wife and kids.  He will have to live with the consequences of his actions.

I did it once and I was crucified for it.  Won't do it again.  Truthfully, and this is not meant to be mean, I don't think I would have much in common with most on this board at all. 

how does it feel?

Your postings have deteriorated to a level of delusional ranting, it seems.  You bring up things I've never mentioned, accusing me of all sorts of crazy things.  It's pretty messed up all in all.  I wonder if it made you feel better about yourself or relieved some tension with all your grievances.  I am not going to read your posts for a while.  They are disturbing in their being out of touch with reality and their accusations and they waste my time.  End of story.

PS>>>>You guys keep giving us orders on how to act on the liberal board, that we shouldn't campaign for each other, etc., etc.  Why is that?  Isn't this our board?  Who made you the liberal board police?  Also, why would you say I'm not Lurker's equal?  What is the point in that comment?  Did I ever boast that I was?  Just things for you to think about, don't need answers as these are rhetorical questions.

I don't make this stuff up.  WND is very reputable. 

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the military defense attorney who stated exactly who is in Gitmo.  According to your statement, he must just be lying.  What about all those prosecuters who have resigned or asked for reassignment because they knew what was going on and didn't want any part of it?  If Gitmo prisoners are as bad as you say they are, why haven't they been tried and sentenced?  But I guess you know better because, what, Bush said so? 

I think a lot of people miss the point of Gitmo.  In my opinion, Gitmos is nothing more than a tool to play on American fears (meanwhile sacrificing all US credibility).  From your statement, I think it would be safe to say that it seems to have been effective on a few.