true, your post has nothing inside it. Your point please?
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If anybody wants to know what true socialism is, please see inside
Glenn Beck had a guy on from the Democratic Socialists of America and gave the website. I have been reading up on it.
The website takes you to "Where We Stand" and explains their "cause." If you want to read more, you have to go back to the original dsausa.org. There are no pages that will take you back to the home page and there is a lot more information on that page.
http://www.dsausa.org/about/where.html
Then for the heck of it, I went to the Young Democratics Socialists News mag online (or blog, whatever), and that was a bit scary, if not shocking. If you click on the headline "Marx, Lenin, Keynes and Us", then go down to the numbered paragraphs and click on any link there.
This is what are youths in college and/or of college age are listening to.
http://theactivist.org/blog/
I have no inside information. That's my point.
None of us speak for all of us.
great post! NM inside
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Do you have an answer for the inside post
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Serious post regarding S-CHIP for those interested...see inside
Apparently the individual states have a lot of discretion as to how they spend the federal CHIP money. Pennsylvania, according to their website (PAkids.com I think, or something like that), isay they will insure ALL kids, no matter how much money their parents make. Only kids who are eligible for Medical Assistance (for lower income families I think) are not eligible. It says either it will be provided free or at a much reduced cost. So, even before expansion, had individual states chosen to, they could have provided insurance to all kids apparently. So if anyone is interested in seeing how their state handles the money, or is need of assistance, I would suggest going to individual state websites and see how their individual states handle the money. If PA can do it, I would think other states could do it too....?
I stand by my post as before - see message inside
I'm reading posts and you are all acting as though the child is living and outside the body already in school and is then taken away to be murdered.
I read another post that said "before you even know you are pregnant the heart is beating". This is totally false! Week 4 is when the brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form and continue to form. To suggest that at the instancy of sex you now have a live breathing baby whose heart is beating and brain is fully developed is absurd. - which by the way they can't speak for themselves so that is what you are all here for. Having an abortion before the baby is developed is the safest. You can call it as you like to. Most of you have a heart so cruel you like to label people as murderers. This embryo is not someone, it is an embryo. Full term abortions and killing babies outside the womb I believe is disgusting and vile. As for Laci Peterson - she was getting ready to give birth to a baby. If that baby was born it would lived. Yeah, but that's a whole different topic, but to have an abortion before the organs are fully developed and the child's brain has developed and they have no nerves so cannot feel anything is a different story.
Lastly, I would never have an abortion myself, but if by chance I did and the embryo has not had time to develop (first trimester) then you keep your nose out of my business where it does not belong. I answer to one higher being (our creator) not you!!!!!
I stand by the original poster. Keep your noses out of where they don't belong.
P.S. - I certainly am not going to listen to a bunch of hipocrites who will murder innocent animals so they can devour them at their meals. Now that is disgusting to me!!
This is a "bash free" post - see inside.
You posted on 8/26 about abortions – your title said don’t read if it bothers you so there was no need to shout it as us as we all can read.
That’s fine you want to post about abortion, but you also posted on 8/25 about abortion not counting the numerous times you brought in the subject of abortion to other posts (in all fairness you did not start those conversations) but what started out as one subject you turned into abortion issues. So in the beginning the postings about abortions were fine but then it started getting very tiring and when people disagreed that is when you started in on them.
I read messages from people not bashing you but simply stating they were tired of hearing the same thing and that’s when you started bashing them.
One post said “We stopped reading your posts a long time ago” That is not a bash. Another post said “My sentiments exactly”. Again that is not a bash. But you came back and said “Enter the cheerleader. Predictable. So much for listening to the other side. Then inside the message you called them a liberal and said if they only believed their philosophy it might actually BE a better world” That is bashing!
Then someone came back and said “listening over, and over, and over and inside said she is not affiliated with any party and most definitely am not a liberal. Again – that is not a bash.
Then more posts after that. My point is you were the first to start the “bashings”. When people tell you they are tired of hearing about the abortion subject (without bashing you) you don’t like that and have to give a nasty comment to them.
I have read six posters all saying the subject matter is getting tiring and old and that it was covered extensively below in other posts. The “we” I am referring to are those six posters.
Abortion is just one issue that people feel very strongly about which will eventually lead to heated words if people don’t agree with the posters viewpoint, then comes the bashing, people being called liberals when nobody knows what their viewpoints are. Sure we all feel strongly about issues but we don’t like being called names. I read all the previous posts and not once did I read any post where anyone called you a name.
It is a free board and everyone is entitled to post what they want but like the latest poster said there is no need to bring it up again. I say there are way too many interesting things in politics going on. I’m sure I will start up some new topics. What’s that saying. “Let’s let sleeping dogs lie” (at least I think that’s the saying) :-) – just say lets give the abortion subject a rest.
Really !! They can't point it out because it is not true..nm
That's a good point and it's true. sm
I am sure all of us have things we do in the name of kindness. The rest of us just don't talk about it.
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.
Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming my world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction. They are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say?
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.
Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.
The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?
Hi, Your llink did not show up, only 'page not found.' so I post my link inside...sm
NewsWorld newsIran
Tehran braces for crackdown as protesters vow to defy KhameneiSupreme leader warns Mousavi supporters against bloodshed
guardian.co.uk, Friday 19 June 2009
Iran's opposition faces a critical test of resolve and the country an uncertain future tomorrow after the Islamic regime's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a blunt warning to those involved in mass protests over last week's "stolen" presidential election that they would "bear the responsibility" for any bloodshed.
Khamenei rejected accusations of fraud in the poll, confirmed the incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as the winner, and gave no ground to the millions of Iranians demanding their votes back.
Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims he beat Ahmadinejad in the race, was said by an ally to have no plans for unauthorised rallies tomorrow following the warning, but supporters vowed to go on protesting.
Fears grew tonight of an intensifying crackdown on media and opposition activists. Students at the fine arts faculty of Tehran University – where scores of students were injured and some reported killed after raids by security forces earlier this week – announced an indefinite sit-in starting tomorrow.
Khamenei's closely watched speech at prayers at Tehran University could hardly have been tougher. It had been hoped he might adopt a more conciliatory tone that would help defuse the gathering crisis, the worst in Iran's 30-year post-revolutionary history. But he warned: "If there is any bloodshed, the leaders of the protests will be held directly responsible. The result of the election comes from the ballot box, not from the street. Today the Iranian nation needs calm."
Tens of thousands of worshippers cheered as he told them: "It is your victory. They cannot manipulate it."
Mousavi, a moderate former prime minister whose "green" movement scared the regime with the support it was attracting, ignored a call to attend the prayer meeting and now faces a dilemma over his next step. Ignoring Khamenei's message risks bloodshed on a far larger scale than the eight people killed last week. Accepting it means surrender to the regime.
The reformist cleric Mehdi Karroubi, another candidate for the presidency, added to the pressure tonight by also calling for the election to be annulled. "Accept the Iranian nation's will by cancelling the vote and guarantee the establishment's survival," he urged.
Khamenei attacked opponents at home but also lambasted Iran's enemies abroad in hardline remarks that bode ill for any opening to the US, where Barack Obama is seeking talks to tackle worries over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Britain was attacked as "the most evil", but the US, Israel and "Zionist-controlled" media were also abused, as was Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state. "The enemies are targeting the Islamic establishment's legitimacy by questioning the election and its authenticity before and after [the vote]," said Khamenei.
The speech underlined the sense of profound crisis, since the supreme leader usually only speaks in public at the end of Ramadan and on the anniversary of the 1979 revolution.
Analysts and commentators were dismayed by its implications. Sadegh Saba, chief analyst for BBC Persian TV, said: "Mousavi wants the protests to continue but Khamenei is saying if they do there might be bloodshed – and it will be on your hands."
Issa Saharkhiz, a Tehran-based pro-reformist commentator, said Khamenei's speech had transformed the crisis from a conflict over the election result into a trial of his own political authority, which was now being openly questioned. "Now the issue is that the supreme leader's sense of justice, management and competence is under question," he told Deutsche Welle. "The leadership of the country cannot be left in the hands of such a person, who for the sake of preserving himself and his own power, threatens people with mass murder."
Crucially, Khamenei ruled out any cheating in the election, apparently dashing hopes that a partial recount ordered by the guardian council, a supervisory body of senior clerics, will mitigate the crisis.
Khamenei's call for Mousavi and Karroubi to confine their protests to legal avenues prompted mockery. "This means that Imam Hossein [the third most revered figure in Shia Islam], instead of making a last stand at Karbala, [should have] pursued his grievances through the legal process," one blogger said on the Farsi blogsite Balatarin.
Balatarin was flooded with messages voicing outrage at Khamenei's warning that opposition leaders would be held responsible for further unrest and bloodshed. One correspondent wrote: "Mr Khamenei, the direct responsibility for any damage to people's lives or property from now on lies with you."
In Washington, the House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators. It was the strongest message yet to Iran.
My point is not to take a NEWS organizations poll as a true representation
of public opinon. I don't care if O has a good approval rating or not; news polls are skewed towards their base audience. Better to have an impartial poll rather than a left or right leaning poll. Relax and have a drink!
My point is not to take a NEWS organizations poll as a true representation
of public opinon. I don't care if O has a good approval rating or not; news polls are skewed towards their base audience. Better to have an impartial poll rather than a left or right leaning poll. Relax and have a drink!
If what you post is true, then...sm
Those people who say that Islam is a religion of "peace" had better get up off their prayer rugs and get out and make their voices heard and stand up for themselves. Because, by not denouncing the radical Islamic jihadist message, they are a part of the problem.
The Inquisition is mentioned along with the Crusades...at least they eventually got the message that what they were doing was wrong. Along with the witch hunts in the 1600s.
I also beg to disagree with you on another point..I happen to believe that there is only one true God, and his messenger was NOT Mohammad, but his son, Jesus Christ, who died to save us from our sins.
But then again, this is only my opinion.
What a refreshingly true post.
Some aspects of your post are true...
whites were also held in servitude. And the fact of the matter is, it was other Africans who enslaved their own people and sold them to Dutch traders who in turn brought them to America. White America did not invent slavery. That being said, slavery is a horrible institution, wrong, wrong, wrong. But, we should all remember, thousands of young white American men gave their lives on Civil War battlefields for the freedom of those slaves. "Religious wackos" as one person above called them, stood up and called it the wrong that it was. And the Republican President Abraham Lincoln (another "religious wacko") took up that cause. The rest is history.
I will probably get flamed, too, but that fact is often lost in race conversations. While some white Americans did hold slaves (not all) and some white Americans did abuse those slaves (but not all), other white Americans righted that wrong by shedding their blood on civil war battlefields. Quite a few of my ancestors died fighting for the Union in that war. No one can change the fact that some Africans sold other Africans into slavery. No one can change the fact that some white Americans bought those slaves. Other white Americans did what they could, however, spoke against slavery and worked to have it abolished, and ultimately died on civil war battlefields by the thousands to in fact abolish it. I think that is a fact that should be remembered as well. There are always going to be the "bad" and the "good" segments in any race. But to focus on only the "bad" to the exclusion of the "good" in any race just fosters continued racism. Including all "white America" in one group and all "black america" in one group is just wrong, in my opinion...no matter which race does it.
Wow, thanks so much for that post, really thoughtful and true!!.....nm
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Did you see the point of my post?
These "techniques" are used everywhere. I am sure we will also see them in the RNC this week. This son can go ahead and say this about anyone and we are just supposed to buy that it is all communist related? He could have other reasons for putting Obama's name in there, maybe he is just trying to stir up trouble, maybe Obama is a closeted communist - who knows. I just don't think he proved anything by this letter, because these are "techniques" I have seen in many different events.
And the point of your post is....(sm)
to show what a "good little christian" you are?  What? No Bible verses? No holier than thou sayings? No threats of he11?
You might want to get with your twin, Patty. I hear she has some reptiles ready for the handling. You need a tune up.
Original post is not true - see link for truth!
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
By the way, we have not heard peep from the original poster since the quotes she posted were proven to be, at best, grossly inaccurate and completely out of context, and, at worst, downright lies!
Please point out a confrontational post. sm
Every post I have made has been to try and bring harmony to this board. A sense of balance. One need not push the envelope very far with you or gt to have a hateful, venomous response. You might want to get some insight into your behavior.
your post proved my point
My post has turned out to be a right winger nothing to attack GT fall back on that post thingy, LOL, so funny. I love it. Anway, isnt hell and burning in hell where xtians say we all go when we commit crimes, break the ten commandments? Well, that is what I wish for this administration and Bush and his family. It is obvious that is where they are headed when standing in judgment for this war. But, hey, I get it, the old right wingy thingy, do as I say, not as I do. The xtians can spout all the time about burning in hell but if a liberal says it, oopphhss..the worst thing in the world. Right winger, Coulter can say liberals ought to be shot and publish plagerized books full of lies, but hey, she is a right winger, its okay, right winger, Robertson, can call for the assassination of a duly elected leader, but hey, he is a right winger, its okay. Right wingers equals a bunch of hypocrites... Anyway, your post to me proves my point of attacking and ranting and raving from the right wing. *BIG HUG to ya*.
Any chance, there would be a point in this post>
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Thank you for this post - loved it and to the point.
As a Deist myself I find you are right on!
I am so tired of arguing with the closed minded religious nutbags (my sister who newly turned mormon is the worst to talk to - she is so closed minded). The christians always have an answer for everything and they won't listen to the truth.
They also haven't researched who our founding fathers were and what they went through because of what they believed. I think Thomas Paine probably got it the worst. They were the most brilliant men in our history and I'm sure they are rolling over in their grave everytime they hear someone saying our founding fathers were christians or the country was founded on Christianity. Reminds me of when I was watching the O'Reilly factor (who is catholic) and he was trying to tell some Jewish guy that Catholics invented marriage. Luckily the Jewish guest called him on it.
You are absolutely right on - they were NOT christians. They were Deists. Beleiving in a creator does not make one a christian.
Thanks for the post!
You missed the point of the post
I don't care what happened back in June, July or whenever. You just confirmed what I had said in my post and it sounds like you want some "pay back" for whatever you think you want it for. Who knows, and I don't care. My point I was making was I'd like to see positive posts. I'd like to see true discussions about the candidate you favor and why you favor them or don't favor them (and facts to back up your approval or disapproval). Over the past week I've seen hateful posts not only to Sam but to others who don't agree (whether it's for Obama or McCain). All I'm asking is the board to go back to what it was originally meant for...not a "fight club".
actually, Sam dear, the point of this post
who would have voted for McCaine will despise her once they know what she actually stands for
I too don't understand the point of this post
I'm not sure if you are trying to insinuate if Obama had anything to do with this. Tragedies happen and whether you are for or aganst someone trying to link them because they went to the same church to me seems absurd. That would be about the same as trying to link Tom Cruise to the Heavens Gate murders. It's an awful tragedy that happened for whatever reason. There are a lot of people filled with hate these days. Even DH and I were saying last night about the little girl in Texas that was murdered, how can someone actually have the mind to do something horrendous like that. But if your trying to link Obama to this, even though I don't support him I think this is quite far fetched and sounds like your trying to stir up something that isn't there.
You could probably take every murder that occurred and tie it in to something. When it is just a horrible horrible tragedy.
Your post illustrates the point....and I don't know.....
where you were when all the hoohah about the Bush administration doing it was going on...the liberal left wing media (which includes virtually every news outlet in the world except Fox, but Fox covered it too) had a field day with it..."more lies, more deception" yada yada...it WAS a VERY big deal in the eyes of the liberal left. But now that their uuberliberal godhead is doing it...hey, its no big deal...Bush did it. Y'know, I got the impression during the campaign that the big O would rather eat DIRT than do ANYthing Bush had done. LOL...well...how the worm has turned. Orrrrr are you saying that in retrospect, since now that your hero has done it, maybe it wasn't sooooo bad when Bush did it? LOL. Priceless!!
Great and balanced post, so very true, this crisis did not develop.....sm
overnight, and certainly will not be fixed in a short amount of time. And we are All going to have to work together and forget party lines, and forget about the blame, work on a long-term cure and get provisions in government so that this type of unobstructed GREED and thievery CANNOT happen again! Free enterprise yes, runaway deception, elitiism, and legalized loan-sharking and theft, no!!!! Thank you for posting, Z!
Good post. I think you made your point!
Go McCain/Palin 2008
You dont get her point? I do! Was a great post!
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you missed the point of the original post
The supreme court has not ordered him to produce the original; they are simply reviewing the lower court's ruling regarding Berg bringing the suit in the first place. There is no order to produce the document. This is simply a measure that Berg and the other attorneys requesting the writ are now hoping will bring pressure on the electors to force them to demand the document be presented. But at this point there is no order to produce.
Applauding! What a great post, to the point and well written.
I don't think some people realize the seriousness of the illegally invading a sovereign nation for what is truthfully nothing more than regime change, after being dishonest to the entire world about the true reasons for invading this country.
If/when it happens, they still won't get it. And if/when more Americans are killed by terrorists because this president was too stubborn to care about America first and refused to implement most suggestions of the 9/11 Commission, the ones who survive the next terror attack will still be kneeling down and kissing his boots because they are preprogrammed to believe this man can do nothing wrong.
Please point out one post on this board where a poster agreed with
as you claim, "examining the adoption records of Roberts, casting aspersions that his 4-year-old son is gay, that HE is gay (Roberts) because he didn't marry until he was 40."
Please. Just one poster who said on this board that they agree with that.
You've proven that you're not here to debate. You're here to keep the fighting going. You were asked by Democrat to introduce a topic to debate. But you're too obsessed on trashing liberal posters. That's the only topic you've ever mentioned on this board 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME. Look at your posts. They're still here. That's the total extent of them, whining and complaining about the posts of liberals. There isn't ONE post on this board from you regarding an ISSUE.
Thank you for answering her post with a liberal talking point. :-) nm
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A racial post shooting the finger. Must be a conservative thing. Point this out.
I just read the thread and don't know what the heck you guys are talking about.
Sounds like you are all just trying to be disagreeable, no wait that's why you continue to post on the LIBERAL board. I see, that's the point. Excuse me.
Do I need some kind of motive to post what I thought was a good read..and your point is..
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That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
Good point, good post. Thanks.
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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I don't think there's anything wrong with laughing at something that is not only very funny but also happens to be true. Unfortunately, this Administration hasn't given us very much to smile about.
When I read this, nothing led me to believe that Google has a liberal's brain. By the way how much DID that "poor schlump" part with, since you seem to have all the answers?
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From your posting:
"So if you and Chomsky are comfortable with putting every man, woman and child in this country at risk to satisfy whatever beef you have against freedom and democracy, fine. Your freedom of speech had a most terrible and high price tag. Something tells me that many of these fine men and women, if they could speak now, would not thank you for your thoughts."
I do not recall stating anything related to your above quote. As I said, you may have me confused with another poster.
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In the first place, I'd like to say thanks for posting here, and you're welcome here any time.
As far as supplying topics to discuss, YOU seem to be the one who is actually supplying the topics. Today the Conservative board is a pleasant place to be, and even I felt safe responding to a post in your thread. The topic was excellent, and nowhere have I seen you attack a poster for his or her opinion.
You haven't come across as confrontational and hateful. Unfortunately, to a lot of people, these three have done so.
People can debate without personally attacking a poster that doesn't agree with them. You seem to have done that. I hope the Conservative board is able to get more posters like you. You've made it a comfortable place to be.
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Chill! LOL. Gee, you sure are defensive. I wonder where that came from! 
You are NOT on the conservative board any more, and you don't have to walk on eggshells here (although I seem to have acquired a "fan" who has been following me around on this board, taking swipes at everything I say and just generally being unpleasant and contributing nothing of value to any conversation). If you read the posts here, it's obvious to see whose agenda it is to discuss and debat and whose agenda is restricted to creating discomfort and attacking.
I thought your post was great, and there wasn't one word or phrase in your post above that would imply any lack of respect for a soldier.
Some people just can't understand that others support the troops by wanting to keep them alive, honor their lives by only placing those lives in jeopardy when absolutely critical and necessary to protect America. It's obvious you're not "against" our troops, but instead you're trying to fight FOR THEM while they are fighting for HIM and what I believe in the core of my soul to be his personal grudge war. I believe more and more people are coming to this realization every day and share your thoughts (and mine), as well.
I come here because I like to see what a few certain posters write. I've been reading these posters' thoughts for a few weeks now, and I find them to be genuine, original and heartfelt. (If you have any doubt as to who these people are, just follow the long trail of the hateful responses to their posts.) It's a source of relaxation to me after I finish working. I've actually made a list of whose posts aren't worth reading any more because they totally lack value and are designed to do nothing but attack and harass. I'm no longer willing to feed their addiction to hate, and I simply won't respond to them any more. Again, if you read the board, I'm sure you will see who I'm referring to and why. Wouldn't surprise me at all if you are their next target. They can be very upsetting and cause normal, intelligent people to become very defensive. They bait posters, and it seems to me if they're ignored, their posts will just stand alone, making their motives very, very clear. (Just my personal opinion, and I only mention it because I don't want anyone to get to you or chase you away from here because they simply aren't worth it.)
I'm really glad to see you here. Now I have one more reason to continue visiting this board. I hope you have a great day!
P.S. I noted in your first post you mentioned you're a "military brat." I'd just like to personally thank you and your family for the sacrifices you made for your country and for me as one of its citizens!
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I'm posting the entire post, since I'm not sure if I copied the link correctly. It was posted by vs, followed by additional attacks on gt and Brunson complaining of the *bog of eternal stench* that she claims *tends to drift on over here* on the Conservative Board, after nobody from the Liberal Board has bothered them. Not once.
This is the post on the Conservative Board from vs, but it's not the only objectionable one.
Sorry to see you go
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Posted By: vs on 2005-11-28,
In Reply to: I agree with you, MT. SM - Brunson
I understand why though. It's a darn shame that one or two people make this an intolerable place for everyone. Well, if the post count goes down on the boards then maybe they will revisit their policies. At least on these boards the two-initialed Nazi is allowed get away with her genocide of anything conservative, but that's not helping the post count on the board at all.
BTW, I went to the Extremely Politics board, and only a person with a self-esteem death wish would dare post there. I can see why the two-initialed Nazi likes it there. She's free to practice her hate. It's not a place I would want to touch with a 10-foot pole.
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Yes, forgiveness does mean that we have to realize our sins and confess them. But, unless you are either George Bush himself, his pastor, or his God, how do you know he hasn't? That is conjecture on your part. None of us knows what has transpired between this man and his God. I realize what I am saying will not be popular here, but I don't see a whole lot of Christianity in what I am seeing. Quoting from written sources is not addressing the fact that you are sitting in judgement of someone who is not you. We aren't supposed to do that. I hope you all have a blessed Sunday. I am off to church and will certainly pray that God releases from your hearts the hatred you carry.
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Here is some more from the conference. So shines a light in a sometimes dim world.
The sanctity and infinite worth of every human being is a quintessential Jewish value, grounded in the biblical notion that man is made in the image and likeness of God. Against this background, it is ironic and vexatious for many pro–life activists that American Jews tend to line up on the pro–choice side in the struggle over abortion. Affirming the Sanctity of Human Life, a conference held November 12 in Washington, D.C., brought together a hundred or so Jews who are troubled by the Jewish community’s stance toward the unborn, particularly concerning the gruesome late–term procedure known as partial–birth abortion. The morning session consisted of panel presentations by three Orthodox Jews and a maverick Reform rabbi. Marshall Breger, a law professor and political writer, lamented the fact that Jews support abortion rights more than any religious or ethnic group: they are consistently 15 to 20 percent above the norm, he said, even when controlling for various factors such as religious belief or unbelief, political ideology, social class, etc. He attributed this support, in part, to fears that governmental restrictions on abortion would abridge personal autonomy and impose Christian religious standards on Jewish life. He said that gray areas in Jewish law—its combination of silence and ambiguity regarding the fetus’ status, its handful of exceptional situations allowing abortion—have confused Jews about the permissibility of abortion in general.
Barry Freundel, an Orthodox rabbi from Georgetown, seconded Breger’s sociological account of Jewish fears about abortion as being symbolic of the wider Jewish culture clash with conservative Christian movements. It’s hard to have a conversation about abortion, he said, that doesn’t become a conversation about something else. Even among his own Orthodox congregants, Freundel said, his pro–life preaching is treated as the rabbi getting up on his soapbox again. Nevertheless, he said, he feels obliged to inform them that the absolute license to abort, as practiced in the United States today, is simply impossible to reconcile with traditional Jewish teaching. Judaism, he said, permits abortion in a few limited circumstances, such as to save the life of the mother. He indicated that there is some difference of rabbinic opinion about these circumstances, but stressed that there is no warrant for the overwhelming number of abortions now performed in the U.S. He said that classic Jewish sources really don’t say much about the general moral or metaphysical status of the fetus; but, he added, we have an intuitive response that the fetus is not like an appendix or an in–grown toe nail that can simply be removed at will.
Thanks, A.G....(msg inside)
Yes, I figured it out, but I kept thinking surely to goodness he/she would be able to come back with something other condescending mush, but alas, no. The original post could have meant 3 things: (1) he/she was a card-carrying member of the liberal Hate America first club; (2) he/she was championing minorities and their mistreatment 200 years ago, which I find strange when they tell us we can't go back 20 years to support a position; or (3) he/she was comparing what happened with Native Americans and blacks in our past to what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust, which is absolutely ridiculous, they are nowhere near the same. Since he/she came back in a post with how he/she *I generally avoid using the racial/ethnic I'm being picked on because of my race/country of origin/gender/you name it cliche also but I'll make an exception in your case.* so I don't much think she champions minorities very much...that rules out #2. I am leaning real hard toward #1, but after some of her later posts, it could well be #3. Or a combination of #1 and #3. I am still waiting for her to give me the name of one of those several countries she said she knew about who did not have any kind of mistreatment of their own citizens at some point in their history. I didn't ask for several, I just asked for one. Have a good day, AG!
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You posted a laundry list. Can you support any of that? Where did this come from? What is your source?
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