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you wanna go there? Define protect

Posted By: ok on 2009-03-21
In Reply to: Surplus-Are we forgetting 9-11 - Long-Time MY-NY

We arbitrarily attacked a country that had no solid links to the attack. That has been proven. To say it was not known then is not an arguable point because it was not known then, so again, we attacked a country without probable cause.

Since our current President has been in power, no attacks have occurred. The only attack on US soil since WW II (by a known attacker, the Japanese) has been under the power of George W. Bush, and according to you, he would be the least strongest president in the present day.

To 'protect' does not translate into an aggressive attack, especially if the attacker is not a known entity.


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Can someone please define *liberal* for me, please?....(sm)
I have asked this question before and did not get any answers, thought I would try again.  On another board I got slammed for saying Obama was a liberal.  Okay, if he is not, why isn't he?  I don't want a dictionary definition, I would like to know, you who post here, how do you define liberal?  How do you define yourselves, your political leaning...I am NOT trying to pick a fight, and I will not comment on the answers.  I would really, really like to know, and what better place to find out than the liberal board?
Define Liberal
American Heritage Dictionary:

lib·er·al (lĭb'ər-əl, lĭb'rəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. #

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

5. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.

6. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.

7. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.

8. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


Define Liberal
That's about it, actually. That would be me. I can echo liberal democrat's sentiments too other than the democrat part. In my opinion only, "Leftist" is a term applied to people who do not agree with all conservative views, and is applied by conservatives. I would consider some of my views conservative, such as my own views on illegal immigration and fiscal responsibility, yet I have been called a leftist. Go figure.... They seem to think it is an insult I suppose.
Define Democrat, please.
Many democrats absolutely despite Fox News and all of its programs. Slanted, biased, misleading and at times, bald-face liars. They NEVER reports on isues important to democrats. NEVER.
Define morals.......

Your definition might not match mine.......That's why God gave us free will.


So one more time...please define
Bush's policies for which he should not be blamed.
Apparently you do define yourself that way.
By your own description, sex is determined by gender. Therefore, by your definition, describing yourself as female describes your sex life. So quit talking about your sex life with us. We don't want to hear it, and, if your postings are any indication, it's either really really boring or, more likely, probably kinkier than I could stomach.
Define change, please. Both sides.
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Please define the "change" you expected
Did you expect complete newcomers to Washington to take top cabinet posts at a time when the country is imploding? Is change about the people who lead or the rules they play by? Doesn't NEW POLICY count for anything? In terms of the economy, do you want experiments or experience? Remember the economy under Clinton years as opposed to W? It is a cabinet, not a regime. Please read the OP about where Obama is supposed to look for appointees and then share your ideas with us, if you don't mind.
Could you please define "rub burn" so that
we can get to the substance of your comment?
Could you please define "rub burn" so that
we can get to the insightful substance of your comment?
Why would they want to protect him.
He admitted his guilt.  Once you admit guilt, you have no rights as you are guilty. 
What I wanna know...
I want to know what either candidate intends to do about illegal immigrants. I live in Atlanta and many of the schools are loaded with kids of illegals. Many of these kids cannot speak English and they are destroying the overall ratings of the schools because they do not perform well on tests.

Also, they take up all of the teachers time because they spend all of the class time trying to get them to understand what he/she is trying to say. I literally had to break a lease (ruined my credit) to move to another part of Atlanta where there was a school with just a few hispanics, which cost me $300 more per month in rent.

For anybody who wants to know, you can go to greatschools.net to search for a school and find out the racial demographics. It is ridiculous that these lawbreakers are basically ignored and allowed to infiltrate and destroy this country on a daily basis. Don't even get me started on the number of fatal car accidents these people have caused in the state of Georgia, as well as other violent crimes.
Interesting....and I suppose Obama will define
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Protect all holes when

Bill has a cigar in hand!!! 


FIRE ON THE HOLE!!!


Absolutely we do......to protect ourselves from those
who don't work, who steal, kill, and can't wait to get my free money handouts from the government that will steal even MORE from me.
Laws protect more than that...
You don't have to be a citizen in the United States to be protected from being murdered. You just have to be human and alive, both of which can also be said of UNBORN CHILDREN. Or are we to believe that a tourist, or a person who is NOT a natural born citizen of the United States, is NOT protected from being murdered? Can I just go out and kill anybody I want to just because they aren't citizens? Ahhh, no. I don't think so.

And the whole "mind your own business" argument doesn't hold water. A human life is taken during an abortion, the same as when it is taken during a murder. Are we all to just "mind our own business" and "just don't kill anybody?" No, it doesn't work that way. Just because you don't choose to kill someone, or have an abortion, doesn't mean we can just "live and let live" - particularly since people who commit abortions and murders DON'T let their victim live...at all.

These are exactly the types of arguments/mantra that have been spewed from the mouths of people who TRY to make us believe this is a women's issue to help us make a choice about "our bodies." If it was only my body, I would agree. But it is not my body that is being killed. It is my child. Men, women, children, citizen or not - no one has the right to take a human life.
or use them to protect the food I have.
just a thought.
You sure you wanna go here? Waaaa
aaaa, Nooooooo, Heeeeeerrrr, Leeeeee. Without his teleprompter, takes this man forever to get his words out, just buying time.
Oh, poor thing.....they need you to protect them
!!
but there was already a law in place to protect the babies -
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I haven't, but my husband did to protect us both

We were younger and had went out to a party.  A guy was drinking and mixing it with pills.  He was totally out of it.  He tried to pick a fight with my husband, saying he was big and bad enough to whip the biggest guy there.  My husband was 6 foot 6 inches and about 225.  Anyway, my husband wasn't going to fight with him, and we left and came home.  We live in a rural area.  About 1/2 hour later the guy is standing out in front of our house, near the road, screaming for my husband to come out and fight or he's going to start shooting!  The next sound we hear is a shotgun racking and then he fires a shotgun blast off into the air.  OMG!!  I was terrified.  My husband shoved me off the couch and into the floor.  Then he crawled across the floor and pulled the cord on the lamp and turned off the TV, so it was dark in the house.  I had no idea what else he was doing.  I was lying on the living room flooor and had dialed 911 and was screaming for help.  Next thing I know, the guy out front fires another shot and it hits the picture window and the window shatters!  


What I didn't know was my husband had went through the house, grabbed his gun out of the closet, and went out the back door.  He shot back, shooting into the air at a pear tree that guy was standing under.  It was late August and when he hit that pear tree, it rained down pears on the guy outside!  He fired one more over the guy's head as a warning and then lowered the barrel of the gun towards the guy.  The guy decided my husband was serious and ran to his truck and took off.  Luckily the police caught him about 2 miles down the road.  I had given them a description of his pickup and he passed them as they were on their way to our house. 


They came to the house and talked to us.  They saw the shattered window and the shots were heard on the 911 tape along with my frantic call for help.  They told my husband they didn't blame him, they would have done the same thing, he was defending his home and family.  The guy was convicted and went to jail.  What the guy at the party didn't know was my husband was an ex-Marine trained for combat and had marksmanship medals from Marine competition.  He picked the wrong guy to try to scare with a gun!  But it was scarey.  I was scared to death. It was the most terrifying thing that has ever happened to me.  I couldn't sleep for weeks afterwards and was a nervous wreck.  I don't wish anything like that on anybody!


 


I don't feel like he won't protect the country.
He has just as much to lose as anyone else. Why wouldn't he protect the country.
You don't have to be a trigger-happy cowboy going around putting out fires to show your love and protection for your country. Sometimes you can actually have enough foresight, make proper choices, use good judgement and prevent fires from happening in the first place.
He'll do fine. stop worrying.

It's a gag order to protect the dolt
He started calling the media and proudly proclaiming his guilt, that he knew what he did, that it was part of an Islamic revenge for our presence in the middle east, ad nauseum. I can't remember if it was the DA or the judge, but they quickly threw a gag order on everything because his shooting off his mouth would likely have led to a mistrial because of the inability to find a jury that hadn't been tainted by his pretrial blathering.
Wanna talk about the Kennedys?
We could be here all night, like all this trash talking about political figureheads adds one iota to intelligent debate.
Ya sure you wanna keep posting on this board?
Seeing as how you are dialoguing with only one person?  Sounds kind of dull in my opinion, but whatever.......
Tell 'em what they wanna hear.
they are transporting children to vote.... not quite old enough to realize fairy tales are just that....
You wanna see gloom and doom
How innocent you are. It was not the Bushes who did this. Learn the facts. Gloom and doom is what we will have if Hussain wins. Do half of all Americans have their blinders on? What are you thinking? Anyone watch the 700 club? I wish Pat R. would run for president again.

Guilt by association. Really wanna go there?
Just off the top of my head:
1. US Council for World Freedom who got a 20-year sentence for his conviction of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping in the Watergate fiasco. m (can you say Iran contra?).
2. Phil Gramm, (co-chair of the McCain campaign), champion of Enron tax loopholes and author of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that effectively neutralized any existing regulation of financial services industry. You remember good ole Phil. He's the one talking on McCain's behalf when he said we were having a "mental recession" and we have a nation of a bunch of whiners.
3. Gordon Liddy. That's the guy
4. Let's don't forget the Keating 5.
5. Richard Quinn, publisher of Southern Heritage ragazine for neo-confederates…unapologetic bigotry.
6. Rick Davis, McCain CEO, lobbyist, paid $15,000 each month for "consulting" from end of 2005 until September 2008.

With a little research, I'm sure I could come up with a few more. Wanna go there some more?

Wanna talk racism?

The link below is to a radio show -- no film -- just talk.  These people could care less about the stances of either candidate or their running mates, they just want O to be elected, maybe because of his color?  They certainly don't give any other justifiable reason.



http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3


wanna talk about earmarks?
Sarah Palin just this year sent 31 earmarks totaling $197 million (more per person than any other state submitted)... she requested even more than that in 2007. And she is one that is running on a ticket talking about NO PORK BARREL!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008154532_webpalin02m.html
Wanna talk about lowering the bar?
just take a look at the kinds of posts this board has displayed over the weekend. You want to turn it into a sandbox for 2nd graders, be my guest, but you only end up exposing your own appalling ignorance.
Wanna know what Obama stands for?

One


Big


A$$


Mistake,


America!


Trying to PROTECT us. Dont worry, we wont
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Protect us???? He did not listen to all the Intelligence Reports....sm
that a large-scale attack was imminent, his Daddy lit the flame by going over to Iraq the first time to secure Daddy Bush's and his friend's oil interests there, they did not care a FIG about the poor Kuwaitis! We are more hated as a nation now, because of the Bush policies, than we have EVER been in history, and instead if his getting Bin Ladin, as he vowed, he helped the Bin Ladin family living in LA to escape the country becaue of the wrath of the people. Speaking of Kool-Aid? Blind pubs must have bought the factory and have been living on the stuff the past 8 years, unbelievable!
Oooh, O lovers don't wanna hear that....that's
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Halliburton Didn't Protect Soldiers' Water
(I wonder what else they won't protect if/when they're put in charge after the Dubai deal goes through.  And I believe Bush will find a way to push it through right under Americans' noses, since I believe his loyalty lies clearly with rich Arabs and not with the safety of Americans.)

 

Updated:2006-03-16 07:52:03

 

Halliburton Didn't Protect Soldiers' Water

 

Internal Memo Warns of 'Mass Sickness or Death'

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WASHINGTON (March 16) - Halliburton Co. failed to protect the water supply it is paid to purify for U.S. soldiers throughout Iraq, in one instance missing contamination that could have caused mass sickness or death, an internal company report concluded.


The report, obtained by The Associated Press, said the company failed to assemble and use its own water purification equipment, allowing contaminated water directly from the Euphrates River to be used for washing and laundry at Camp Ar Ramadi in Ramadi, Iraq.


The problems discovered last year at that site - poor training, miscommunication and lax record keeping - occurred at Halliburton's other operations throughout Iraq, the report said.


Countrywide, all camps suffer to some extent from all or some of the deficiencies noted, Wil Granger, Theatre Water Quality Manager in the war zone for Halliburton's KBR subsidiary, wrote in his May 2005 report.


AP reported earlier this year allegations from whistleblowers about the Camp Ar Ramadi incident, but Halliburton never made public Granger's internal report alleging wider problems.


The water quality expert warned Halliburton the problems will have to be dealt with at a very elevated level of management to protect health and safety of U.S. personnel.


Halliburton said Wednesday it conducted a second review last year that found no evidence of any illnesses in Iraq from water and it believes some of its earlier conclusions were incomplete and inaccurate. The company declined to release the second report.


The company said it has worked closely with the Army to develop standards and take action to ensure that the water provided in Iraq is safe and of the highest quality possible.


Halliburton was headed by Vice President Dick Cheney for several years before he ran for vice president. Its KBR subsidiary, also known as Kellogg Brown & Root, works under contract to provide a number of services to the U.S. military in Iraq, including providing water and purifying it.


The contaminated, non-chlorinated water at Ar Ramadi was discovered in March 2005 in a commode by Ben Carter, a KBR water expert at the base. In an interview, Carter said he resigned after KBR barred him from notifying the military and senior company officials about the untreated water.


A supervisor at Ar Ramadi told me to stop e-mailing company officials outside the base and warned that informing the military was none of my concern, Carter said. He said he threatened to sue if company officials didn't let him be examined to determine whether he suffered medical problems from exposure to the contaminated water.


Granger's report cited several countrywide problems:


A lack of training for key personnel. Theatre wide there is no formalized training for anyone at any level in concerns to water operations.


Confusion between KBR and military officials over their respective roles. For instance, each assumed the other would chlorinate the water at Ar Ramadi for any uses that would require the treatment.


Inadequate or nonexistent records that could have caught problems in advance. Little or no documentation was kept on water inventories, safety stand-downs, audits of water quality, deliveries, inspections and logs showing alterations or modifications to water systems.


Relying on employees the company identified as semiskilled labor, and paid as unskilled workers in the pay structure.


The report said the event at Ar Ramadi could have been prevented if KBR's Reverse Osmosis Units on the site had been assembled, instead of relying on the military's water production facilities.


This event should be considered a 'near miss' as the consequences of these actions could have been very severe resulting in mass sickness or death, Granger wrote.


The report said that KBR officials at Ar Ramadi tried to keep the contamination from senior company officials.


The event that was submitted in a report to local camp management should have been classified as a recordable occurrence and communicated to senior management in a timely manner, Granger wrote. The primary awareness to this event came through threat of domestic litigation.


Beginning last May, Halliburton said it began using its equipment to remove contaminants, bacteria, and viruses in Ar Ramadi, and disinfect the water with chlorine. The company said KBR has worked closely with the Army to develop safe water standards.


It said its subsequent review in August-September 2005 found nonpotable water used for washing was effectively filtered to remove at least 99 percent of the parasite giardia and 90 percent of viruses. The Ar Ramadi water also tested negative for bacteria, Halliburton added.

At least he won't select the Arab emirates to protect our ports
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of course he lied - but no one died - he had a young daughter to protect...
All men would lie - when, in fact, it was nobody's freakin' business........that was Hillary's problem
Wanna' buy the Oakland-Bay Bridge? I'll sell it

Psst! Wanna buy a BRIDGE? A real pretty
For $700 billion extra, we'll even deliver it for ya.
Wanna revist the Romney/McCain primary wars?
Then he was "honored" to share speeching spotlight with Cindy and SP at RNC. Did he lie? Which time? SP's ebay claim was presented to the entire nation as a feather in her fiscal responsibility cap. This flies in the face of information found on this most interesting link, authored by a Wasilla woman who has personally known SP since 1992. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp
really wanna barf - guess who steps up as pres. if something awful happens to the pres and vp??? nm
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