Again, Jefferson was in the minority
Posted By: Rep. on 2005-11-30
In Reply to: Perhaps you need to read - a little more Jefferson - sm - Starcat
I count on this response every time I debate liberals. They pull out the Jefferson pistol. Jefferson was definitely in the minority in some of his views, but then he also said at one point that a man should not be elected president who does not believe in God, oh, then the libs scream his writings were manipulated! From most of his writings Jefferson did have a the opinion that government should not have a state religion (the reason we left England in the first place), and on that we agree. Conservatism does not promote a state religion either only promotion of values that Christianity promotes which are not dangerous to anyone and only promote common sense laws were the foundation of our country....don't steal, don't murder, don't cheat on your wife...etc.
Again, I don't advocate shoving my religion down people's throat. You can't make people accept what they will not accept. That's the beauty of God and his Son, Jesus Christ. They give you free choice, and I certainly don't advocate eliminating your free choice. With that said, in this country majority overides the minority, and atheists and non-Judeo-Christian religions are in the minority. They were in minority at the founding of this country, and they are in the minority now.
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I believe it was also Jefferson who said.......sm
A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
Whether or not Jefferson
made the statement about banks, he should have. I cannot fault the reasoning.
Our world is currently run by politician/lawyers and MBA 'money guys.' They are puppeteers pulling all our strings, manipulating the results of our labor while they themselves produce nothing tangible. And with our new 'global economy' it is an international puppet show now.
If all this excess does throw us into another dark age, I wonder who'll be crying mommy sooner. Those of us who still know how to swing an axe, hunt, plant a garden (not for show), preserve food, carpenter, and take care of our own needs? Or lawyers and money guys with manicures? Sure, the weasels among us will still be trying to find an angle and make a deal. But wouldn't it be almost worth the price of admission to see all those Armani suits soiled?
Other Jefferson quotes
Jefferson was definitely not an atheist as some claim he was. He was more of a deist:
First an excerpt from the Declartion of Independence which Jefferson was instrumental in writing:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men and for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance upon the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
Here are some of Jefferson's writings on Separation of Church and state:
Separation of Church From Interference by the State –
Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists
In recent years, those who would like to interpret the First Amendment in a manner our forefathers never intended, have made use of the term “Separation of Church and State” to mean that there could be no possible impact or influence of Christianity upon civil government – or even upon education.
The true meaning of the Establishment Clause can be stated in these terms – “Separation of Church from interference by the State.” The only time the expression “Separation of Church and State” was used by a founding father, is in an off-the-record, non-political letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. He wrote this letter on July l, 1802 replying to their public address which applauded his stance for establishing Religious Freedom. Jefferson prefaces his statement with an assurance to the Danbury Baptists that he concurs with their belief of man being accountable to God alone for his mode of worship, without the government’s coercion or interference:
Jefferson's words: …Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “Make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State… end Jefferson's words
Religious Values Protected From Government Interference
The wall of separation between Church and state of which Jefferson speaks, is clearly in reference to protecting religious worship from the government’s interference, and not the government being encroached upon by religious values. Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence itself concludes with an emphasis upon this new nation’s dependence upon God’s protective care:
Jefferson reiterates the excerpt from the Declaration of Independence …with a firm reliance upon the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Biblical Principles and Christian Values – the Framework for Good Government
It is seen, again and again in the founding fathers’ writings, that they stressed the
need of biblical principles and Christian values as the framework for good government, as attested to throughout this book. While we do not have evidence of Thomas Jefferson having accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, the only way to salvation, we can affirm that he governed his life by many Christian values and principles. Following are some examples from his writings to illustrate this:
Jefferson’s Prayer for Peace, as it is called, is excerpted from his Second Inaugural Address, delivered on March 4, 1805, as follows:
I shall now enter on the duties to which my fellow-citizens have again called me, and shall proceed in the spirit of those principles which they have approved…I shall need, therefore, all the indulgence I have heretofore experienced…I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessities and comforts of life, who has covered our infancy with His Providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power, and to whose goodness I ask you to join with me in supplications that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants, guide their councils and prosper their measures, that whatever they do shall result in your good, and shall secure to you the peace, friendship and approbation of all nations.
Elaborating on the excesses inherent within the hierarchal state-controlled church, Jefferson writes to Moses Robinson on March 23, 1801, from Washington, D.C.:
…The Christian Religion, when divested of the rags in which they (the clergy) have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of its benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.
If you would like to read the total paper this was excerpted from here's the link:
http://www.christianheritagemins.org/articles/Thomas%20Jefferson,%20Champion%20of%20Religious%20Freedom.htm
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson quote:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
That's false; Jefferson didn't say that. sm
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
I think you are in the minority
Of course everything isn't peachy, of course there are problems with the Bush administration, but to accuse him of planning and allowing 9/11 to happen, well, I think you're in a very small group that ascribe to that theory. While I don't think the picture is rosy in Iraq I believe it's not a total debacle, I think the majority of Americans' opinions lie somewhere in the middle of either extreme.
That is very sad. You are in a minority. nm
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You are the minority........sad for you....nm
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No, poster is not the minority..........more and more seeing
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Majority rules not the minority
as long as someone is given the option not to participate then no one is getting hurt. If they are the only one in the class that does not want to say it then that's life. We can't cower majority traditions and beliefs to make every individual feel included. We'd truly have chaos then, because every one's feelings are different.
All these people make up a minority
I never said that Jefferson was alone in his views just that he was in a minority. Again, from the evidence I've read on both sides liberal philosophers and professors have chosen to re-write history. I think the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights speak for themselves and literally scream about a country with it's foundations in God. You can choose to ignore the words Almighty God, Divine providence etc., but it does not make them any less there in A deist belives in a deity to answer the question posted above either by the writer of the post or the writer of the excerpted text (I could not figure out who was posing the question).
We could throw quotes back and forth all day and never see eye to eye about it, but I choose to err on the side of God and Jesus Christ. I choose to live by faith that Jesus Christ is the only way, but let's look at it in a common sense way. Say I am wrong, and there are many *paths* to God then I'm still eternally okay, because I have embraced this path of which there are many, but say there are not many paths to God and Jesus Christ is truly the only way....then that's going to leave the people on the *other paths* in sad condition when they leave this world.
Thank God you represent the minority of Americans.
That gives me a great deal of hope for the rest of us.
There are reports all over the media, both print and television, that Bush has known about this since at least Sunday. I find it very suspicious that it was suddenly revealed the day after Lieberman lost to Lamont and after all the White House cronies made their rounds and used the Connecticut primary to once again accuse Democrats of being soft on terror. (It should be noted that the Democrats are not soft on terror; they agree with wiretaps and other surveillance of suspected terrorists but they want it to be done within the boundaries of the LAW, something for which Bush the King has proven repeatedly he has no respect.)
I agree with Lurker that the only reason I can believe this is because it came from another government. We've had too many lies and cry wolf scare tactics from the Bush administration to believe anything he says. He has zero credibility, and fortunately, reasonable and intelligent Americans are waking up to that fact.
Whites to be in the minority by 2042
WASHINGTON — White people will no longer make up a majority of Americans by 2042, according to new government projections. That's eight years sooner than previous estimates, made in 2004.
The nation has been growing more diverse for decades, but the process has sped up through immigration and higher birth rates among minority residents, especially Hispanics.
It is also growing older.
"The white population is older and very much centered around the aging baby boomers who are well past their high fertility years," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.
"The future of America is epitomized by the young people today. They are basically the melting pot we are going to see in the future."
The Census Bureau Thursday released population projections through 2050, based on rates for births, deaths and immigration. They are subject to big revisions, depending on immigration policy, cultural changes and natural or manmade disasters.
The U.S. has nearly 305 million people today. The population is projected to hit 400 million in 2039 and 439 million in 2050.
That's like adding all the people from France and Britain, said Steve A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington group that advocates tighter immigration policies.
White non-Hispanics make up about two-thirds of the population, but only 55 percent of those younger than 5.
By 2050, whites will make up 46 percent of the population and blacks will make up 15 percent, a relatively small increase from today. Hispanics, who make up about 15 percent of the population today, will account for 30 percent in 2050, according to the new projections.
Asians, which make up about 5 percent of the population, are projected to increase to 9 percent by 2050.
The population 85 and older is projected to more than triple by 2050, to 19 million.
If that's true, then you're a minority among
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It is true, and it is minority baiting.....
so much for bringing the country together...what a joke! So much for ethical campaign and "above the fray." Gutter politics at its absolute worst.
You are in a steadily shrinking minority. nm
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Not so much minority, just not as much time to spend on it...
as some seem to have...
It has been my experience with 2 hospital jobs that I had, most of the women, probably 95%, were married and did not need to work. This is going back some 16 years, but it was reasonable back then. A lot of women I worked with talked about how they ocketed their pay in the bank and lived off the spouses pay and benefits.
Times have changed so much. I was a single, newcomer, who needed every penny I made because I lived week to week, but they would always vote down the benefits because they did not need them, and they always put me down all the time. Luckily, there were a few bright shining stars who were open, friendly, and helpful - who taught me SO much about transcription; but the majority, well, not so much.
My point is that our profession has one of the biggest class divisions I think I have ever seen or experienced.
I think whites will be a minority before too long. nm
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House minority leader John Boehner gets a mystery box. sm
Bacon, not bomb, leads to evacuation of office
2 hours ago
WEST CHESTER, Ohio (AP) — The office of an Ohio congressman who has fought against pork barrel spending was evacuated over a suspicious package that turned out to be full of bacon.
Staff members at the office of House Minority Leader John Boehner (BAY'-nur) became concerned Monday after finding an envelope leaking an oily substance. Police evacuated several buildings before determining the package postmarked from Georgia contained bacon.
A note was included with the bacon, but police didn't commenting on its contents.
Boehner was not in the office.
A spokeswoman says it's ironic someone would send Boehner bacon because he has spent his career fighting pork-barrel spending. He's one of the few members of Congress who shuns earmarks, those home-district projects sought by lawmakers.
However, the Republican has drawn criticism for voting for a $700 billion financial bailout bill that critics say was loaded with pork.
i agree. of course, the white male would be called a racist too for not wanting a minority to succed
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