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Thank you all for so eloquently proving my point

Posted By: another observer on 2005-11-29
In Reply to: Yes, I think Christ himself - would condemn - sm - Starcat

in showing that you all have no idea what Christianity is all about.  In one breath you are praising Christ and all his attributes, but in the next breath you reject Him.  You embrace all the good, loving, warm fuzzy attributes of Christ, but you neglect to see what his sole purpose in coming to Earth was and that was die to atone for our sins and the evil wrought in this world.  Christ cannot look upon sin, and we are all sinners every one of us, and that's why he had to die.  He took the spiritual death we should have had to face ourselves.  That's not warm and fuzzy, but it's certainly love above all comprehension.   All He asks is that we accept His atonement and turn from our wicked ways.  It doesn't make us perfect sinless people, but it changes our heart and how we look at the world.


Personally, I don't agree with everything Pat Robertson says because Pat Robertson is not God.  He's a man,  but there is a certainly a judgemental side of God.  I hope many of you can see that before you face him as your judge once you leave this Earth.  Then it will be too late to change your mind.  I hope you won't let people like Pat Robertson or even someone like me keep you from truly knowing the love of Jesus Christ.


Now that I've totally violated board rules by evangelizing on the politics board I will leave.




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Thank you for proving my point.

I hold up THREE fingers.  The rest of the world sees THREE, but you?  You only see ONE, and you take the one YOU see, completely ignoring the other two that EVERYONE ELSE SEES, and twist it and manipulate it and turn it into something ugly that doesn't even come close to the TRUTH that EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE.


Thank you for proving my point.
My grandma used to say, well you are mad, you are going to stay mad, you are enjoying being mad, have decided to be mad and there is no reason to talk you out of it.  But then, I already knew that, too.
You just keep proving my point.
I suppose I should thank you, but frankly I don't feel like it.  I have no plans to visit the conservative board.  I may go to the libertarian board though. I am anything but a sweetie.  And I would certainly never allow you to call me that face to face.  But then, that's how you operate, isn't it.  One of those people who gets on a chat board and vents their spleen, too cowardly in real life to say these things face to face to anyone. 
Thank you for once again proving my point.
You really just can't help it, can you?
Once again....and thanks for proving my point

You are an obvious BO supporter and you see the negative things you want to see out of McCain.  McCain supporters, however, don't see that.  We see negative things in Obama that his supporters refuse to see and believe.  The people who like Palin think she will do just fine during the VP debate.  It is all a matter of opinion.  We all have the same information and yet we have picked two very different people to vote for.   I think McCain will do fine in the next debates.  I personally think that this election will be a close one all the way to the end.  JMO though.


Have a good one! 


Thank you for proving the point

of how this country is pushing God away. I will pray for you!


Thanks for proving my point.
Wallowing in self pity is a real downer. However, if you keep it up long enough, you are bound to insure O's re-election in 2012, so keep up the good work. Trash talk is what lost this last election and history does have a way of repeating itself.
Thanks for proving my point.
These kinds of negative namecalling posts are exactly the point I was trying to make.  Give the man an opportunity to prove or disprove his competency, and then, and only then, you earn the right to question and criticize.
Thanks for proving my point . . .

First of all, I didn't call YOU un-American, unless the shoe fits, and certainly it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me.  I could care less.  It had to do with those people that won't even consider hearing an intelligent explanation about the plan for this country, and those that openly voice their wish for failure of this adminstration.  Now, THAT is un-American.


Thanks for proving my point....(sm)

Tell me, I'm assuming that you also think that having sex out of wedlock is also a "bad behavior."  So, do you teach your kids to yell names at people like that?  How about people who smoke cigarettes?  What label to do you put on them?


Thank you for proving my point...
My work here is done.
LOL, thanks for proving my point, as posted below. sm
You don't offend me.  You disturb me.  Two different entities.
See? You're proving the very point made about
right wing rage. Sure hope you and your fanatic friends don't all own guns......
And the word is hypocrisy, thanks for proving my point!
Making a generalized statement about the tremendous crowds that Obama draws being moochers is really about the most pathetic, ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  You make me laugh!!
Thanks so much for proving my point about the angry, hate-filled left. sm
You did a perfect job of it.  You are incapable of thought other than that driven by hate. Your debates are screeds and your voice is strident and laced with the same adjectives...the word liar comes to mind. Which, of course, you are.
Thank you - very eloquently put
I too am a bit saddened by the posts I see on the board today. I used to have stimulating "conversations" here. Sure we didn't get along on issues, but reading the posts gave me insights into things I didn't know. It also gave me links to articles that I could read and decide for myself.

But today I'm not seeing any issues. There have been a lot of comments made that offend people and from what I can tell it's a huge Obama gloat party and evidently rubbing it into the faces of those who don't agree. I'm not seeing any issues and I'm trying to get past the glee posts of O winning. We all know he won. Yes we know people are happy but it looks like the same people are posting the same thing over and over and over and now this board is being taken over by the liberals and I'm not getting anything of interest anymore.

I really wish the moderator would separate out the two boards, so the people who want to post positive about Obama have the freedom to do so without being bashed and the people who want to post about issues and articles can do so without being bashed. I think it would separate a lot of people (kind of like when my mom had to put my sister and me in separate rooms when we were fighting when we were little - ha ha).

I really wish we could all get along, but this is not a perfect world. You can't even speak your own mind anymore without getting bashed for having your own thoughts.

Moderator - if you are reading this would it be possible to separate these two boards and have a conservative board and a liberal board. I think it would help to alleviate a lot of the bashing and hard feelings going on.

Thank you. - And thank you for your post Amanda.
You are 100% right on - very eloquently said
You said what a lot of us feel. This creepy worshipping of Obama is getting totally out of hand. It's a cult and people have lost any shred of sanity they supposely used to have. Being "giddy" or caught up in the raptures of joy, or crying as he passes by or swooning at the mere mention of his name. The last time I saw this was I believe with David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, or Jim Jones. People have lost all sense of reality and it's pretty darn creepy and scary. Heck it's just plain ol "FREAKY"!!!!!

Then of course when you don't share in the euphoria they are going through like a trip on a batch of bad shrooms you are attacked.

I watched it unfolding during the elections with the people who were planted to perform their phony fainting rituals, so their savior could be the hero to offer them a bottle of water. Talk about being so obvious. But it didn't stop there. Now people as a poster below is claiming (and you mentioned here) that he's just like one of us - and why? Because he eats a chili dog and cheese fries just like we do. All the while do these people post anything about his policies, plans, etc. No, just the silly trivial worshipping things about people swooming, fainting, crying, and going into a transe as he passes by.

Couple things in particular you said were right on. He is being innaugerated NOT coronated. Yet people treat him like he is a king. It's like they are still sleeping and haven't learned that we have presidents, not kings. And just because Farakhan called him the messiah, and even Obama eluding to the same thing in some of his speeches, he is not the messiah, second coming or whatever they want to call it.

The other issue you were right on about I agree with is your last paragraph. He is merely a man wrongfull elected. People need to wake up and realize he was already picked a long time ago by the same people who run this country. The people had nothing to do with him being elected. If they did AL Gore would have been president. Unfortunately this person is now in the most powerful position in the world and that for sure is a very unsettling feeling. We will not be sleeping so comfortably at nights knowing other countries know what they know about him and will use it to their advantage and there will be nothing he can do.

I agree too...he's like us because he eats chili dogs and cheese fries???? Sheesh!!!
I wish I could have said it as eloquently sm
as you did.

We are increasingly turning our back on God and he is increasingly lifting his hand of protection off of this country. The "godless" folks don't have a clue what that means either. They will when its too late.
Bigotry is blind as you have so eloquently illustrated.
Canadians, progressive Americans, Pakistanis, the French, Saudis and a whole bunch of other folks understand that we now live in a global community. The internet has been a great equilizer...where anybody anywhere can weigh in and get the respect they deserve, even when they are "diffefrent" from us or when they disagree. The global community is a nice place to live. It's in the here and now, not mired in the past. Why don't you get with the program and try it out sometime? It beats the heck out of fear and hate.
Thanks for proving me right. Again. nm

Thank you for once again proving the truth of what I said about you.
Having said that, I didn't realize that you owned this board.  And having said THAT, I leave you with this thought.  A litany of complaints is not a solution.  Your remarks are divisive and wrong.  Your world view outlook is narrow and frighteningly sad and dark.  THOSE are observations, not accusations. 
This is proving to be a very leaky

administration.  I predict that for the next 3-3/4 years, whenever a bit of misdirection is needed a memo or report will be leaked or given to the press.  Or some prior administration misdeed discovered and fresh outrage manufactured.


We had the DHS document casting suspision on 'radical conservatives.'   Now we have the torture memo going back to heap more blame on the Bush administration for policies which Pelosi apparently signed off on.  I doubt, though, that the rest of the congressional briefing minutes will ever be 'leaked' which show that she and other democrats were quite aware of the interrogation techniques being employed.


Meanwhile, activities we should legitimately be angry over are going on, which we are not supposed to notice.  Hey!  No!  Look over here!  Crazy conservatives!  Torture! 


Let me just go on the record as saying that no amount of money would induce me to volunteer to be tortured (you know, beaten cut, burned - severe pain or harm).  But cut me a check (certified only, please) with a number followed by a whole lot of zeros and I would be waterboarded (strictly in the interest of science).  Our special forces are trained to withstand this and other 'harsh' interrigation techniques.  I believe Demi Moore actually was waterboarded for the movie GI Jane. It's scary and unpleasant but way different from having your fingernails pulled out or a field generator and alligator clips used.  Or listening to an Obama lecture.  Now THAT's torture!


Not nearly as *good* as you proving what a fool you are

by attributing something to me that I never said.


I made a mistake.  You thrive on attention.  I said I was going to ignore you.  From now on, I will give you the attention you truly deserve:  NONE.


Find someone else to judge, despise and attack and/or get some professional help.  I won't feed your anger and hatred any more.


You need a Happy Meal.


Have a lovely evening, dear.  Buh-bye.  


Actually you are proving that YOU have the closed mind here - sm
You know absolutely nothing about me. I hate Survivor and so-called reality TV - nothing more than the dumbing down of America, as far as I'm concerned.

Actually I don't know much about Mr Icke; granted he may be a deep thinker, in some ways. However, I think he is slightly off-kilter for that single book / theory about the reptilians. Can we judge his credibility regarding other ideas because of that book? Yes? Unless he's just spouting theories to make some $$ off the gullible public?? Possible, no?

I'm actually quite a fan of conspiracy theorists and those who think outside the box (esp coverups, religion, war, etc, in these horrific days of Bush-Cheney domination).
You said you enjoyed proving people wrong...
then provide your source. And provide some more current statistics. That is all I asked for. A simple request. If you can't, you can't. No biggie.
Obama is already proving to be a liar and stealer
nm
I think BB has a point here in that the main point on the board is political discussion, and let'
face it, there is SO MUCH going on right now, changes, problems, disasters, and so much debate on what should/could be done, but so many tims the political discussion disintegrates in a finger-pointing, name-calling exercise, spouting religion all over the place. Yeah, our spiritual beliefs are dearly held and we would all strive to be the best we can be, and do whatever we can whatever the ideology is, but sometimes I wonder, since we have a board EXPRESSLY for Faith isuues, where relgious debates/discussions/forums, etc are welcome, why does THIS board have to be turned into RELIGION BOARD PART II, especially if one ideology wants to dominate or ridicule/condemn those who come on here for lively inteligent discussion, debate of issues in Congress and in our lives, and just want their beliefs held separately? CNN is not EWTN or any other Christian network, and there are constant informative, bright, lively, balanced discussions from all over the political spectrum on the credentialed news stations, as well as C-Span, but they are not constantly hiding behind a cross, rosary, bible, star of David, or whatever....can we not strive to do the same and put religious debate on the Faith board?? Just a thought to ponder, MHO, it might work beter, who knows?
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming my world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction. They are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say?
I answered your post point-by-point and
all you can come up with is a lame tit-for-tat? Can you provide some sort of substantive response that would argue against the point I am trying to make here? Of course not.

Please show me what part of my post reflects bigotry or ignorance? I have made a few statements based on my own life experience, rather than the hook-line-and-sinker method of forming a world view. Then the impotence of your suicide bomber reference was buried under concrete evidence of informed, researched and factual data that would suggest an oppressed, occupied, half-starved population does not exactly have the upper hand when it comes to defending themselves against Israel's US-bankrolled arsenal of pain, misery, death and destruction they employ in order to "secure" themselves.

The Palestinians are just a tad out-gunned, wouldn't you say? This might just account for the lop-sided fatalities/injuries ratios between the Israelis and the Palestinians. In closing, it is worth noting that even with the advantage of all those terrorist toys and tools our tax dollars have bestowed upon them, security and peace of mind just seem to be further and further beyond their reach. Wonder why that is?
If your point is that it was 7 years ago, that's not much of a point is it? sm
Not long ago at all in the scope of things. The point is that the same thing could and probably would happen here. 9-11 happened 7 years ago too....I guess that couldn't happen again, huh?
I get your point, but my main point is -
why should the government be allowed to tell people what they can and can't eat? Everyone says the government is too involved in our business anyway, so if they should stay out of one part of our lives, they should stay out of all parts of our lives!
and your point is??

Your point is??  Bush is the one who waged this immoral illegal wrong war, not all the democrats you have posted quotes on.  It is BUSH, the chimp boy, who waged the war and used every kind of excuse possible, flip flopping back and forth over the reasons.  Now that we know there are no WMD and we have gotten Saddam, what is the excuse for being there and not setting a time plan to leave??  Of course the reason has always been the murderous foreign policy of the US, to have its bloody hands in every country it possibly can.  They are just salivating in DC over the fact that we will have control over the Middle East and OIL.  Bush and his group are war criminals, just as bad as Saddam.


the point is
If these brave soldiers did not have to go to Vietnam, a useless, wrong war (it has been PROVEN, DEBATED AND PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN, EVEN BY THOSE WHO WERE IN THE MILITARY), their physical and emotional illnesses never would have happened..and there would have been no people turning against them.  There were thousands upon thousands of protestors telling Nixon, bring our boys home and a few turning against the soldiers.  The war is what scarred and has continued to torture these soldiers..the wrong war of that day just like the wrong war of now, Iraq..And where is the VA to help those of Vietnam?  Bush continues to cut the budget for the VA, even though we will have thousands once again home from a useless, immoral, illegal war..I read an article the other day how the soldiers coming home are divorcing quite a bit..another thing these soldiers have to deal with..physical ailments, mental ailments, not adjusting to society, divorce..these were happy job holding family people before Bush got his blood hands on them.  Thanks Bush.
You see, that's my whole point...
...the truth of this quote is why it's important.  You can't ignore the inherent truth in an observation simply because you don't like the bearer of that message.  I believe that if one truly examined history and discarded labels such as socialist, liberal, yes, even conservative (these labels change with time and are not static philosophies) I believe history would show that the the last part of this quote is right on about what it takes to be successful in uniting a country/party against a supposed "foe."  Some have said hatred is the biggest uniter of a people that there is. 
The point.

 While there were quite a few issues in this article that were noteworthy, to me at least, the main point was that the Bush/war supporters are going to have a chance to participate in the war that they love. Since we broke Iraq we have to fix it and we can't afford to and the military can't do it so, in its infinite wisdom, the administration has come up with a "Peace Corps" type scenario where professionals of all vein VOLUNTEER to go to Iraq and work, for free. This is just too good. How many of those on the conservative board do you think will volunteer to go, or their husbands, sons, relatives? And like he said, if you voted for Bush put your money where your magnet is, smack dab in the middle of the Sunni triangle.


We have and have had for a long time alternatives energy resources. You can destroy the Gulf of Mexico, Alaska and wherever else you want but in a few years we will be right back here. The oil supply is finite. Get used to it. Time to switch gears and explore the alternatives. But again, I can't wait to see who signs up for volunteer duty...next stop is Vietnam (Oh, I mean Iran, no I mean Iraq...).


Well, to each his own, which is exactly my point.
I can not discount your points here without discounting mine. I can't explain why people sign up, but my guess would be that some need money, jobs and opportunities and are praying if they do go to Iraq they will make it back in one piece. There are obviously a lot of people who believe in the cause of this war, I'm just not one. And like I say, some have fallen hook-line-and-sinker into the justification for this war, or believe it is important to free the Iraqis and somehow this is going to protect America.

I say again, to each his own. May God be with them all!
That is not the point! sm
The point is, expect the unexpected.  Don't get all hyper about guns.  I should never have mentioned that here, I am sure.  I was making a point where has, yet again, been twisted!   Good grief!
There is no point to THAT. SM
Everyone knows that paper is and always has been anti-Bush.  I'm sorry, but you guys won't take stuff from NewsMax and FrontPageMag, which are both WAY WAY BIGGER than this little rag. Don't expect me to take this seriously. 
It's my point.nm
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And your point is
  It's all Bush's fault, by the way.  It's the evil Republican's fault, but especially Bush.  It's ALL his fault.   It's America's fault, too!  IMPEACH AMERICA.  You are my hero.
But, at what point...
do you just toss your arms up in the air and give up on teaching people how to use birth control.  It's not rocket science.  How many decades of teaching do we need?  I think we already have a cornucopia of information available everywhere on how to use birth control.  It's not like it's a taboo subject.  I have to think that the computer saavy youth of today, who can jump through hoops on the internet, if interested, could find out with the click of a button just exactly how to use any given birth control.  We can fund education to the hilt, but stupid careless people will always be stupid careless people.  It's sad.
You got a point there...nm

I know all I need to. I see no point in this.
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But the point is, we believe what we believe.
In this instance, you feel the war is morally illegal and I don't. 
Yes....that was my point.

I think what you said is exactly the point.
With everything going on, and it keeps getting worse and worse, the leader of the free world shows himself to be crude, have no table manners ... the forever frat boy. In itself giving an uninvited neck rub and talking with one's mouth full are certainly not newsworthy but in the context of  where he was, what he was participating in ( participation questionable) what is happening to our world, our leader, without his spinners and handlers and speech writers was exposed as the uninformed, disinterested, unegaged person that he is and always has been.  He was obviously bored throughout the entire conference, displayed his ignorance of geography (again), displayed his total lack of understanding of the Middle East, a process that has been evolving for 100s of years, way before Israel appeared on the scene. The history of the Middle East appears to bore him. Actually, everything but clearing brush at the ranch seems to bore him. And this guy wants free reign to do anything he likes, no checks, no balances, no congressional approval; its like he thinks this is the old board game War, or little green soldiers he can play with. He is such an embarassment.
to further my point

They are even making Pat Buchanan look like a liberal.  I have never agreed with Buchanan until recently.  This is an excellent example of what I'm talking about.


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Matthews_Buchanan_Slam_Neocons_0720.html


My point WAS sm
Newspapers dropping her column aren't hurting her.  I don't care about the other stuff. I don't even like her. 
Exactly the point...sm
There are plenty things that sell in America that are no good for America. I happen to believe Ms. Coulter (not just her books but her persona and work, collectively) is one of them.
And your point is?
I dont understand your post.  I never said Merv Griffin did not like Bush or his crew, I said he stated the American people overthrew the government Tuesday.  He did not elaborate whether he liked Bush or not.