Here it is, trose - Khalil Gibran on Love
Posted By: see message on 2007-10-15
In Reply to: The Prophet is what I'm thinking of. I think there's a passage on Love in it. nm - NYmt
On Love
When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep,
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.
For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you.
Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.
Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire,
that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.
All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart,
and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.
But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.
When you love you should not say,
'God is in my heart,' but rather,
'I am in the heart of God.'
And think not you can direct the course of love,
for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.
Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night,
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.
http://www.maryourmother.net/Gibran.html
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Congrats! Is it from Khalil Gibran that something is often read?
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Trose - would love to hear what happened at your SS class.
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For Trose... (btw, this is my day off :)
If you want to know what you're going to be like in Heaven, what your Heavenly body is going to be like, it's going to be like you are now, only much more Heavenly, eternal, beautiful, wonderful, thrilling & glorious! (Phi.3:21)
When the Lord created the cycles of butterflies & moths, He was illustrating resurrection. They hatch from eggs into little worm-like caterpillars. Then they wrap themselves up in a cocoon called a chrysalis, almost like a coffin, & it SEEMS they die!
BUT THEN: Spring comes & suddenly the coffin splits open & out comes a beautiful butterfly or moth! Once it was just a little crawling worm, the most despised of all creatures, & all of a sudden it breaks out into a beautiful butterfly that flies in the heavens! -- One of the prettiest creatures!
Like the difference between the grain of wheat & the full-grown, full-blown stock & head that comes from one grain, or the flower that comes from one tiny seed, that's how much better your new Heavenly body is going to be!
It will be so much more wonderful, it will be like the difference between the seed & the flower! (1Cor.15:35-38, 42-58)
You're going to be like the Angels of God! (Lk.20:36)
I DO get that, trose...and thanks :)
thanks for what you said....it's better late than never...I had a huge problem with my mother for 10 years and then 9 years....a total of 19-20 years......but in that case, SHE lost out.....SHE missed the entire journey (and was physically there but not emotionally....very bad if you're like that...to have kids anyway). I'm fine today but took mucho years of therapy from like 8-28.....
And as a result of all that badness, I've been a better parent because of it...
out of every bad thing that happens to one in life, something good and positive comes out from that........
To trose
No....I was only thanking others for responses.....
to trose
yes, I think Obama actually addressed this saying people were sending out these e-mails and they weren't true -we have to be careful what we read on the internet - everything is not true and you kind of have to do your own research - on another note, I tried the pinapple cheese recipe you posted a few days ago - YUMMY!
LOL trose !
Trose, please do not take this
lightly. A few posters thought it was nothing to worry about. WHENEVER someone talksabout being unhappy and suicide....DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY. Yes they may be trying for attention or doing one better than the other...you are doing the RIGHT THING..take him to a therapist or psychiatrist. He needs to express his feelings but unfortunately, not with his parents. Do not feel bad about that...it's hard to be honest with the folks as you know. Keep up with all that you have been doing and even if it turns out to be nothing - YOU ARE GREAT PARENTS....some kids just need attention and not from their parents. Hang in there...things will turn out!!! Good luck, hugs, and my thoughts are with you. You are doing the right thing - don't take this lightly...please.
trose....How's your son? Everything going well? nm
Trose - Heaven
Trose, I love the creativity of this site.. go down the page for the beautiful animated graphic, and oh the words underneath are awesome.
http://www.angelfire.com/la2/OurAngel/Links.html
Trose I wouldn't let it go at that (sm)
I haven't chimed in until now, but I would go to the school and talk to the principal. My daughter is 7 and I can't even imagine someone doing that to her. Our kids are at the mercy of their teachers unless their parents stand up for them. They have no recourse against adults who treat them badly, unless we help them. It is not a matter of being overly sensitive. I wouldn't just hope that she gets reprimanded, I would see to it. I would request a meeting with her and the principal. I had to do this once when a teacher made my son clean feces off a bathroom wall - he reported it to her and she told him to clean it up. It wasn't his!! He would never have done something like that. So my son had to clean sh*t off a wall that wasn't his and be exposed to who knows what. I think it is good that you sent her an e-mail first, because that is documentation, which she knows, and that is why she did not respond to you in writing. You go mom! Keep your cool and remain calm but let them know it is unacceptable! I let too many things slide when my kids were even younger that I already regret. No more!
Trose -- I saw your post below
and just wondering how you are . . . hoping everything is okay. Please let us know when you can.
You sound like me, Trose
I'm 45 and my daughter is 14 and I've been taking her to concerts since she was 6. We just went to a Matchbox 20 concert and a few months ago we saw Daughtry. I think it's great when people don't necessarily act their age, within reason, of course. I think I also dress appropriately for my age. And yep, I wish I was the same weight 20 years ago. LOL. But whatever works for others is fine with me. My neighbor across the street is my age, but you'd never know it. She acts and dresses like she's 60, but she's still a friend. Long hair short hair, it doesn't matter as long as you like it.
(((((((((((hugs))))))))))) to you trose...sm
I'm so glad you took him in. That's a very scary situation, and I think you did the right thing having him talk to someone right away. I'm very proud of you...it must have been hard, even knowing that you had to.
About the eating disorder, keep an eye out for signs. I did want to say though that my hubby and all his buddies as well as my son and all his buddies say they're fat all the time. They rip on each other constantly too. They just walk up and say, *hey fat***, been going a little heavy on the cupcakes?* They all do it--no matter how skinny they are. My 12-year-old is 5 feet tall and weighs 90 pounds. Skinny as a rail, but he says all the time, *gotta feed the fat* or *fat guy in a little car*.
Now, I don't mean that you shouldn't take it seriously and watch for it (especially if his friends are concerned), but I thought you might like to hear that sometimes boys are just dumb. We (the wives) always say how mean they are and can you imagine if we did that? Oh, hey mt, (doing my best macho tone) still carrying the baby weight, huh? Can you imageine saying that to a friend?!? We'd all be in tears!
Please keep us updated, we'll be thinking about you.
One more thing--you might be able to take him into the dentist just for his check up. When they are making themselves throw up, one of the signs is the enamal on the inside of their teeth being damaged or gone.
Trose, I don't believe in heaven, but I would teach SM
heaven to small children, until they are older and can grasp death in the reality of truth. Hmm,did that make any sense? It's late.
Trose, I emailed you back...
This time with the right web address I hope. Let me know if the one I sent doesn't work...and I hope you enjoy the site!
Hey trose - I have A child...one...by choice...LOL
 Hi trose!
I knew I'd do GREAT with one and felt I'd be inundated with 2, especially since the husband was the 2nd child......in age and maturity...*lol*...I felt like I had TWO kids for 10 years.....I divorced him, got the kid, and she's TERRIFIC and close to both parents...
Came out nice and well adjusted, considering..........*ROFL* had I had a better marriage, I'd have had a gaggle of kids...*lol* But one quality child is better than 3-4 ones that can and might (will) run ya ragged. And mine is not all that spoiled, CERTAINLY NOT FINANCIALLY that's a given...*rofl* (on her own now for a long long time but around the corner...*whew*)
Hi Trose - thanks for the great idea!
I think I'll start recording the games on the camcorder. That should keep me out of trouble. Then I can watch the game at home (alone) and yell all I want at the bad calls!!! Hahaha! Thanks.
Trose: Update on swimming class
Funny you should bring this up again. I sent the gym teacher an email the night of the 19th and she never responded until today, AFTER I sent her another email with a copy to the district office asking her why she had not responded.
She basically said that she didn't realize that her direct questioning and her "simple suggestion" was "too direct for someone who was apparently over-sensitive."
Offered no apology, nothing. Her reply was not copied to the district office so I replied to her with a copy to the district office so her response went to them also.
Since this incident last Wednesday, I have learned that this is certainly not an isolated incident but the kids were basically too scared to say anything about it. They feared that if they complained, she would fail them and has apparently threatened to do so.
Basically, it is still unresolved. My daughter is back to swimming today so we will see if there are any further comments tonight when she gets home.
I hope the teacher is at least reprimanded by the school district and maybe given some training on how to handle delicate situations with young girls going through the beginnings of puberty.
Look trose, there are limits to how weird the things can be!! LOL (nm)
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Thank you Trose, so do I believe it will make a huge difference, NM
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Hey trose, I've had many yard sales over the years and have
seem some pretty surprising stuff go on, only to watch people battle off and jump in their "fancy" cars. I've had people set a whole pile of stuff in front of me and throw a 5 at me and try to take off knowing that what they had cost more. I had one lady say "quarter?" over and over and over trying to buy two folding lawn chairs and I kept saying, "NO." She finally gave up and left. I've had people steal right out from under my nose and jump in their "fancy" cars and take off. I've had a whole "family" of Mexicans pile out of a very nice van and converge upon my yard sale with one person trying to keep my attention while their family members steal whatever they could from me. When I saw a one of the kids stick an X-Box game in his shirt, I told him he had to pay for it and he tried to walk away. When my husband came up on the boy, the father tried to start a fight with my husband. My neighbor called the police and when they arrived they had the adults and teens in cuffs and the children in the back of a unit. Turned out they were illegal and were arrested and hauled off and then a tow truck came and got the van.
I haven't had a yard sale in a long, long time.
I LOVE love love shallots! I use them in everything that calls for an onion and/or garlic. Mmmmmm. n
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American Idol - Love, love, love Adam!!!
I think he'll make it til the end! At least I hope so!
yo trose? What is *normal*? Normal means
*normal*? that only means one has a preconceived idea of what sanity is....
which I don't - so I have no answer......*lol*
My niece had a Yorkie, the love of her life! We all loved her so. Lots of love in store for you.
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Love movie "A Christmas Story" when dogs eat the turkey and they go out for Chinese. We love d
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She's sweet. I think she's gorgeous. Love her hair. Love her sm
smile. I wish I looked that great! I don't even come close, so who am I do judge? I admire beauty greatly in other women...I envy them!
sweet....love the heart charm, he's got love.
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God bless you on your path, all love begins with self-love, so you are really on your way.....sm
We should have less time putting needless labels on things, paying attention to dividing lines, and pratice more love, understanding, and humiility....we will all have things to answer for, no one is perfect, but I believe we are all precious and loved by the Lord, who knows all hearts, and has infinitely more compassion and mercy than ANY of us can comprehend. Be happy and take care of yourself, sexuality is such a small part of who we are in this world, but you have to be happy and at peace.
I love the animal channel, really love it and
my sweetie and I both watch but I absolutely, even if I know nature and the balance of, want to see small animals being killed and eaten and so forth. I know it happens but I either change the station or pick up the paper and read or find another way so I don’t watch. Also watch Discovery, love animals and love those shows!
I love you! hahaha I love your response! You can come over here sm
and kick my butt the next time I "allow" my husband to make me feel crap for whatever reason - which there seems to be many - he wouldn't complain if I made more money than him because his lazy behind wants to stay home and do nothing all day except to play golf. He tells me all the time, "when are you going to own your MT business so I can golf all day."
But, he is very mean, also. He hurts my feelings constantly and doesn't even care. He makes me drive around in his truck with bald tires and I don't like doing that for fear of a blow out and he'll just tell me, "well, don't go anywhere then." We have the money in the bank to get new tires, but he won't get them.
I love your comment, though!
And for all of you who will say, "well, leave the jerk!" It isn't that easy. We have 3 boys and I would be homeless. I only make 300 every 2 weeks MTing. We have a lovely home with a lot of space and besides him living here, the kids and I LOVE it and love each other so much.
Well, I LOVE a challenge too, Would love to debate this one day with you! sm
haha
Seriously, I was a staunch atheist for 20+ years. It's funny, though. I, too, believe that we are all electrical energies and that energy doesn't "die" and so, theoretically, where does your "electricity" go when you die, i.e., your spirit? I believe that "energy" within us is our spirit life - and that must go somewhere, right? It doesn't just go into the groun - which is what I thought for so long.
Anyways, when I learned about our "energy" and how it must go somewhere, I was really testing the waters of Christianity up to that point. After hearing about that, I was convinced that there must be an afterlife. I believe we go either of 2 places.
Anyways, I love ALL people of all religions, regardless of what I "think" or "believe." I don't think any less of you because of your beliefs! If I were to believe in a God who forgave me and loved me in my mut and mire, who am I to judge and criticize those who think differently of me?
I've always liked you no matter what your philosophy on life was....
Love people who love dogs.
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I love the dressing and I love lemon pie..sm
My mom's lemon pie that is. I also love this dessert called Texas Delight or some people call it different things but is is layers of chocolate pudding and cream cheese and whipped cream. The food is my favorite part besides the watching my son open presents on x-mas.
Young love/older love
I think it has a lot to do with your age and his. I married hubby at age 59 and he was 49. Best thing I ever did but say if you are 30 and he is 20, hmmm in that case might not be so workable. What are the ages here?
Give her love, love, love and if she...
doesn't want medicine - don't force it. Does she like to be stroked or does she like her belly rubbed? You better than anyone else know how to make her feel loved. Give her that. If her times comes before Monday, all the better for you and her. She'll die peacefully in her loving home. But, if not, be prepared to give her the last loving gesture you can - if it's time to, than let her go.
I had to put my 13 year old Lab down two months ago. It is one of the hardest things to do. But, you'll know when it's time. My dog, Shadow, told me he was done, tired, beat. He sent me the message quite clearly. But, still I waited, not for him but for me! Finally I "heard: him and did what needed to be done. I sobbed for hours and then just suddenly stopped, I realized I was crying for me - not for him! He had had a wonderful loving home with "mom and dad and brother". He was old and tired and wanted to rest. He deserved that rest! So, it's done. Yeah, I'm still sad. But I know that it was the right thing to do. And, yeah, call me nuts if you want - I know that when it's my time that Shadow will come running, knock me over, sit down on my chest and lick me silly!
Now, I'll go and give my cat lots of love and remember the fun I had with Shadow. My thoughts are with you - make the best of the time you have with your loved one's, be them human or furry! My thoughts are with you.
We will all pray for him. Your love and God's love will keep him SM
strong until he is home!
It is better to love and have lost than to not know love at all...
Who do you really love? This is not meant to sound rude, but to make you think...if you felt like ending your life and acted upon it because you loved someone so deep but they did not feel the same way, do you think that ending your life is really going to make them love you anymore? No...now you mentioned your mom and family, would they hurt more if something happened to you? I have entertained thses thoughts before and girl, he is not worth it. The main ingredient in Love is YOU...you have to love yourself first. My situation was different but you know, love is love. We can not make another being love us. We give them too much power. If he is gay, let that be him sinking in that ship alone. What I mean by that is to give someone yourself is one of the most precious gifts, but knowing that they are giving to Tom, Thomas and Timothy is very demeaning to you. No matter how much you want him to touch you, it is good that he isn't. DISEASES, don't discriminate, nor does death. Please my friend, listen to your inner feelings/thoughts and know that you will survive, but only if you believe.
May be Love...
to your husband, but sometimes being a parent calls for tough love to teach lessons that children need to learn and if that means missing a meal, missing a dance concert, missing a weekend of fun with friends for being grounded, so be it.
We are going to just have to agree to disagree about my parenting style. It works well in my family and my children are safe, sane, and happy and will be well prepared for whatever life throws at them. It's not all puppys and rainbows and it's never too early to teach them that.
love it ! ! !
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I use them too and love them!
When I clean, I have a wet one and a dry one. You can use the dry one to polish things after cleaning them or getting any streaks off mirrors after cleaning. They work great, and you just throw them in the washing machine when you are done. Sam’s has a big pack of them in the auto section where they sale stuff for mechanics, and they are relatively inexpensive.
Love it!! nm
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They love it!
My oldest is 12 and has been dancing since she was three. My other two are 9 and 5. They still do ballet, but have also done jazz, tap, polynesian, mid-eastern, and others. They love it, it is good exercise, and builds wonderful grace, style and discipline. They also play sports, but dance is their first choice of extra activities. Enjoy it!!!
Love AI
I love AI and couldn't wait to watch it tonight. What were most of those people thinking??? I loved going to the Idol Tour two years in a row and meeting all of them.
Love is...
Seeing that twinkle in DH's eyes when he looks at me, after all these years, he still makes me blush.
Love is......
Valentines Day is coming up so I thought we could talk about love. What is love to you? Let's make a list. It doesn't have to be anything profound...it can be little things.
Love is making coffee for your partner every morning, even though you don't like or drink coffee.
Love is . . .
My children and my cat. They are always, always here for me and never ask for more than I have to give. I feel loved and blessed to have them in my life.
Love is....
having my DH pull the heavy blanket up over me on cold mornings before he leaves for work.
Also, it is having DH tell me I'm the same girl he married when I complain about my weight.
WHAT IS LOVE
I had to share this. Hope it makes you smile!
A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds, "What does love mean?" The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have imagined. See what you think:
"When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint her toenails anymore. So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his hands got arthritis too. That's love."
Rebecca- age 8
"When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different. You just know that your name is safe in their mouth." Billy - age 4
"Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on shaving cologne and they go out and smell each other."
Karl - age 5
"Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most of your French fries without making them give you any of theirs." Chrissy - age 6
"Love is what makes you smile when you're tired." Terri - age 4
"Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and she takes a sip before giving it to him, to make ! sure the taste is OK." Danny - age 7
"Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more. My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when they kiss"
Emily - age 8
"Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen." Bobby - age 7 (Wow!)
"If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate,"
Nikka - age 6 (we need a few million more Nikka's on this planet)
"Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then he wears it everyday." Noelle - age 7
"Love is like a little old woman and a little old man who are still friends even after they know each other so well." Tommy - age 6
"During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was scared. I looked at all the people watching me and saw my daddy waving and smiling. He was the only one doing that. I wasn't scared anymore."
Cindy - age 8
"My mommy loves me more than anybody. You don't see anyone else kissing me to sleep at night." Clare - age 6
"Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of chicken." Elaine-age 5
"Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and still says he is handsomer than Robert Redford." Chris - age 7
"Love is when your puppy licks your face even after you left him alone all day."
Mary Ann - age 4
"I know my older sister loves me because she gives me all her old clothes and has to go out and buy new ones."
Lauren - age 4
"When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down and little stars come out of you." (what an image)
Karen - age 7
"Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she doesn't think it's gross." Mark - age 6
"You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget." Jessica - age 8
And the final one -- Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked about a contest he was asked to judge. The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child.
The winner was a 4-year-old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.
Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there. When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said, "Nothing, I just helped him cry."
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