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What are your thoughts on organic foods?

Posted By: sm. on 2007-04-23
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Do you try to buy them wherever possible, or only if you happen to pick them up in error? If you intentionally buy them, why? Do they taste better, are they better for you, do you believe you're helping the environment?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/diet.fitness/04/13/cl.organics/index.html

Organic vs. conventional: What do experts say?




By Amy Spindler
CookingLight.com


The organic market is growing at a steady pace of nearly 20 percent annually, and that translates into organic alternatives in nearly every grocery aisle -- from snack foods to frozen meals to baked goods. "Everyone wants to be healthy and these foods convey an aura of health," says Marion Nestle, Ph.D., professor of nutrition, food studies, and public health at New York University and author of "What to Eat." Here, experts compare some of the benefits and drawbacks of going organic.

Are organic products more nutritious?
A few small studies have shown that some organic foods contain higher nutrient levels than conventional ones. For example, a recent study showed that organic ketchup had 57 percent more of the antioxidant lycopene than regular ketchup. But the wholesale claim that organics are more nutritious than conventional is ahead of the science. "More research is needed before it can be stated that organic foods provide more nutritional value," says Connie Diekman, M.Ed., R.D., director of university nutrition at Washington University in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Organic foods may have other benefits, though. Charles Benbrook, Ph.D., chief scientist at The Organic Center, asserts that some organic products are less processed, which means they may contain fewer chemically adulterated ingredients (think hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives).

Bottom line: "Read labels and look at each product in its own right," Benbrook says. An organic potato chip may contain as many calories and saturated fat grams as a conventional chip. "The price premiums associated with processed organic food are not as great as the premiums charged for organic whole foods," Benbrook says.

Are organic products healthier for the environment?
What's best for the environment is hotly debated among experts. "There is no scientifically accepted evidence that organic foods are better for the environment. Organic production allows natural pesticides, which can be toxic to humans and wildlife," says Alan McHughen, Ph.D., professor of botany and plant sciences at the University of California, Riverside. Organic fertilizers may also contain harmful bacteria, such as E. coli. Plus, organic farming yields only 75 to 90 percent of the crop of conventional systems, meaning that more land must be planted in order to have an equal return.

Organic advocates counter that chemicals used in conventional farming spread far beyond the fields where they are applied and have unintended consequences. "Synthetic pesticides have been linked to developmental and neurological problems," Benbrook says. "Organics eliminate synthetic pesticides and the damage they do to farmers, land, and drinking water."

Organic regulations also prohibit the use of genetic modification -- another thorny issue with as-yet unclear implications for the environment.

Bottom line: Focus on foods' benefit to your immediate environmen -- i.e. your body -- first. "A good diet means variety, balance, and moderation, regardless of the farming method that produced the food," McHughen says.



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I try to buy organic when available..sm
because personally I do not like all the additives to nonorganic foods, like hormones, etc. I do believe it is those types of things that are making america obese. but that is just my opinion and I don't want to start anything. I don't like the pesticides either. Organic foods may be expensive, but they sure taste better too. To me, the added cost is worth it. Organic does not mean fewer calories so if dieting, still watch the labels. They are just more natural unaltered foods. JMO
We do buy some organic
and I know they cost more but hubby who does the cooking just seems to like these more than some food items you get. He even buys organic chicken, that is most of our meat supply. Red meat right now is getting a really bad wrap. I love steaks, hardly eat anymore and an occasional pork chop, same here. Vegetables and fruits he buys organic also.
Actually raw/organic/natural is the best
But you do have to watch where the ingredients come from because like one of the posters said they can contract parasites just like humans could if they have bad meat. I've attached a link. I think if you start pets at a young age they will take to the raw food diet, but trying to start an adult cat is difficult.

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawpetfood.html
We try to buy organic and in fact
going to the local farmer's market today- we buy chicken like that and also hubs likes to get vegetables and fruits like that also. You are right though- the only way is doing your own farming or knowing where they sell organic.
Do you buy organic food
I have noticed more and more the areas in grocery stores set aside for "organics". They are priced out of reach for so many of us. Do you buy them?
Do you purchase only organic food for yourself? Just
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I look at food labels, not organic/nonorganic. (SM)

To my family, the price is a concern.  However, when we can, we like food out of our little garden best.


We serve nutritious foods with what we can provide.  This week we ate strawberries and canteloupe because they were on sale.  We've been using bell peppers in about everything for the same reason.  However, next week might be broccoli everything.  We are big bean eaters around here; they're cheap, nutritious, and good.  Only Cargill a couple blocks away from here smells worse than us.


I don't really buy into the organic hype, but I've bought organic things, usually if they were cheap.  I could read studies until I'm blue in the face about how the pesticides will give me hemorrhoids and foot fungus and whatever the study is about; I revel in the thought that my chance of death is eventually 100%.


Don't mind my ramble.  Thank you for the article, though.  I found it informative.


I visit a market with the organic food
but knowing the problem with the connection with chicken and the bad feed, was asking DH tonight about the chicken purchase when he showed me the signs, all natural, no addictives, no hormones, etc. This is a wonderful world market in Decatur, Georgia and they have everything. I love seeing all those things that I never eat and would not know how to prepare from other countries, noticed the Chinese okra tonight and it was huge, always a treat just to look as we shop.
I buy organic catnip (right in my grocery store) and
take a big pinch of it, rub it between your fingers hard to release the fragrance, then rub it right into the post - rub in your case. The fresher, the better. I've never known a cat not to eat it.
Most larger wine stores have a whole organic/vegetarian section of wines. Good stuff! nm
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foods
I think you may be on to something with the diet - I worked with someone once who also had 3 boys and the youngest had some behavior probs that sound similar to your son's. . She changed his diet - cut out sugar and some other things (can't remember what) and she said he was like a completely different child. . It sounds nearly impossible that diet could make that much difference, but maybe it does. . I also agree you should keep searching for a counselor/psychiatrist until you find one that can help.
what are the 6 bad foods?
I really did not see that on her web site, but I do need to lose a little weight. I have never had a problem until this perimenopause, and now, I have middle aged spread! It is a little hard on my ego and my knees!
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese.  Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects.  Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite.  Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite.  Organ meats are awsome.  I make the best chopped liver.  I also make my own schmaltz.  No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent.  I die and go to heaven for Indian food.  I have learned to make my own, including naan.  You people are making me hungry.  My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me! 
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese.  Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects.  Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite.  Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite.  Organ meats are awsome.  I make the best chopped liver.  I also make my own schmaltz.  No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent.  I die and go to heaven for Indian food.  I have learned to make my own, including naan.  You people are making me hungry.  My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me! 
I agree and I, too, try to eat foods without--sm
all these additives, such as hormone free chicken and no antibiotics. Finding foods without these are costly and difficult to find, but worth the cost to me.

As far as any warnings, I doubt it. They only warn about what the FDA tells them to warn about. Unless forced, they will not disclose anything, and that includes the pet food, as well. It is really sad when we cannot even trust our food manufacturers to potentially threaten our very lives with these things, just to make a buck!
I will be going to Whole Foods today to look for some of that - thanks! (nm)
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native foods
Coca-Cola, Little Debbie, Moon Pie, Krystal burgers (like White Castle)
Please research commercial pet foods
Please read this article, Iams is not a good food, there are many many out there that are, just not found at the grocery store. Vets do not know either, they are not taught animal nutrition in the vet schools which are subsidized by the pet food companies. I was horrified when I found this information out, please please inform yourself on this subject and if you find the below article too lengthy, just Google commercial pet food ingredients and you will be horrified such as I was when I finally decided to research this after my Collie died covered in cancer. All for the animals.


http://www.api4animals.org/facts?p=359&more=1cat=286
OK, foods and cities, a few matches. Add your

Pizza: NYC
Burritos: SF and Chicago
Italian: New Haven (yep)


Chinese? Steak? Indian?.......................................


considered quality foods by whom? sm
I have heard many negative things about both of these pet foods for years. I do not consider them to be quality foods, by a long shot, and this was even before the tainted food scandal. That's what I am talking about.
Yeps lots of fav foods too
nm
I'm not picky and like most foods that others hate.
But, I won't touch chicken salad with a 10-foot pole! Hate the stuff! And ketchup. Ack! What a terrible way to use wonderful tomatoes!

protein-filled snacks/foods.....

Resist genetically engineered foods!
They think it might be related to the pet food problem because right now genetically engineered grains are only allowed in pet food. Some think it might be what's wiping out the honey bees and other pollinators. Some food is wind pollinated, like corn, but this could really limit our diets. Countries like China are big into these crops, and I was reading that in California, they are or were trying to pass laws that would prevent people from having any say about our food. Cross-pollination is pretty hard to prevent, so evening allowing them to be grown could be devastating. And they are being grown here, apparently, by big companies like Monsato (sp?).

What foods are native to your area of the country
Over years I have noticed that certain areas don't sell things I used to have growing up. Wondered what kind of things are in your parts of the country.
Two products we had in New England were:

Fluff - It's not like any marshmallow cream. It's light and fluffy and sooooo good. Make a peanut butter sandwich with it and you've got a fluffernutter (oh how I miss fluff).

Moxie - My dad lived on this stuff. I thought it was disgusting but never saw it anywhere else. It's a soda, and dad said it is made from natural ingredients. When you first drink it, it tastes like Sarsaparilla, but it makes you burp and comes up like kerosene (although I haven't drank kerosene before, but that's what it's like).

In California we have what is called an It's it. It is two oatmeal cookies with a nice thick chunk of vanilla ice cream between covered in chocolate. Never have found them outside of Calif. I believe the factory in in San Francisco.
Pet food - is there a web site that lists all the foods being recalled? nm

Worried about my golden retriever.  


Saw on Yahoo about stockpiling foods/staples in anticipation (sm)
of prices continuing to go up and up.  I do tend to keep my freezer and pantry fairly well filled.  Certain things seem to go on sale in cycles and I try to take advantage of that.  Do grow a garden and may very well enlarge it this year.  Anyone else have suggestions on helping to defray the cost of putting food on the table.
Judy is right..... high protein, low carb foods
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Agree with this. Regular aerobics and no white foods/sugars. nm
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My sister has multiple cats who require differnt foods. sm
She feeds them in separate rooms.  She gives them 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the evening to eat.  The overweight cat has become beautifully normal-weighted over the past year.  They all do well with this arrangement as cats are only munchers cause we keep the food available all the time.   I actually started restricting food times for my cats as well and they are all doing great.  Hope this helps.
Iams and Science Diet are considered quality pet foods and they
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another recipe..stuffed peppers and impossible pie are staple foods..sm

that I've made for over 30 years....Hayseed, wish you lived closer, I'd bring you over a batch of stuffed peppers.  They probably wouldn't be as good as your mom's though.   Cat 


Big-Batch Cheeseburger Bake









Satisfy cheeseburger lovers with an easy-bake version you can whip up in minutes with Bisquick® mix.











Prep Time:20 min

Start to Finish:

Makes:16 to 20 servings


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1 1/2 lb (at least 80%) ground beef
1 1/4 cups chopped onions (about 2 large)
1 can (10 3/4 oz) condensed Cheddar cheese soup
1 1/4 cups Green Giant® frozen mixed vegetables, if desired
1/2 cup milk
2 1/3 cups Original Bisquick® mix
2/3 cup water
1 1/3 cups shredded Cheddar cheese (about 5 oz)















1. Heat oven to 375°F. Generously spray bottom and sides of 15x10x1-inch pan with cooking spray. In 12-inch skillet, cook beef and onions over medium heat, stirring occasionally, until beef is thoroughly cooked; drain. Stir in soup, vegetables and milk.
2. In large bowl, stir Bisquick mix and water until moistened. Spread evenly in pan. Spread beef mixture over batter. Sprinkle with cheese.
3. Bake uncovered 35 minutes.
High Altitude (3500-6500 ft): Do not add cheese before baking. Bake 35 minutes. Sprinkle with cheese; bake about 5 minutes longer or until cheese is melted.


I agree about minimal dairy, but nothing wrong with grains IMO (unless you're a raw foods faddist
or have some sort of special dietary needs. Seeds and nuts are great, but keep in mind that they tend to be high in fat so shouldn't be used *too* heavily.
Failed to mention replace high calorie foods with low calorie....
Stay away from pizza, cinnmon rolls and biscuits.  Traded regular snack food for fruit and veggies, apples, carrot sticks.  The first two weeks are the hardest.
My thoughts

I hope you don't take this the wrong way but have you thought about having him tested for drugs?  I work in a psychiatric facility and have seen first hand what methamphetamine is doing to this country.  As a parent, I would certainly want to know if my child was doing drugs (hope this is not your case) but it's better to be safe than sorry.  I would check with your local hospital, police department, prison or even psychiatric ward to see if there are any types of programs that would give him a first hand look at what drugs can do to you. 


I advise you to take the upper hand.  DO NOT let him threaten you in any way.  In my opinion, the children of today could use a few good smacks.  As parents, we should be allowed to discipline our children as we see fit (within reason).  This is how it all begins, believe me I've seen it at my job.  Parents literally have to put restraining orders on their children for fear of harm.  Again, I hope this is not your case.  I wish all the best.


Take care 


My thoughts -
It really sounds like situational anxiety to me. You have had a lot of life stressors hit you at once. I went through very similar feelings as yours with also waking up in the middle of the night unable to sleep for hours on end and so jittery with my heart pounding during the day I thought I would trip over my own feet and/or have a heart attack. I chose to not use medication because I tend not to do well on many meds. What I did do was make SURE I left myself enough time each day to unwind. Nothing makes you feel worse than not enough sleep. Try a bedtime ritual of a bubble bath and hot tea. When you wake up in the middle of the night take huge, deep, relaxing breaths and force all thoughts out of your head. I call this self-soothing. It does work for me. Is there any way you can get a massage on a regular basis? You would be surprised at how much benefit that can have to your overall well-being. Remember, you are no good to anyone if you do not take care of yourself. Best of luck to you. :-)
My thoughts. sm
If you have Jesus in your heart, no person, no store, no nothing, can take God out of your life. 
Thank you for your thoughts.
Yes, I did wonder if may be he is doing something else. He did tell me that he gets a buzz from this. I have no idea why. I will have to "grill him" for more answers.

I know all about the college life. They are totally, for the most part, on their own. No Mom or Dad around to watch what they are doing. Since we had a problem with alcohol over the summer, I am sure he has been drinking at college. I can only talk to him about the dangers of this, that it is illegal since the drinking age where I am is 21 and all the other stuff that we parents tell our kids. It is a matter of will they listen and take our advice. I will keep talking to him, because I love my son very much, but in the end he is an ADULT NOW, as he has told me, and I can only so do much. It is HIS LIFE. The discussions and talking will go on.
Here's my thoughts ...
If they have been making partial payments, apparently they do not have enough income to continue paying the full rent wherever they are living. They should take this as an "opportunity" to get into a cheaper-rent location. This will also buy them some time on collections for the $1900 past due amounts.

I know how hard it is to be in financial straits. Having made a full recovery and living responsibly now, I can say without doubt that poor credit scores are well deserved. It takes poor planning or complete lack of plus poor spending plus poor budgeting plus living beyond means and not ensuring one has adequate compensatory skills to get there. It is very painful no-excuses realization to make in owning up to personal financial disaster.

This could be a great chance for them to evaluate how they truly got into this situation, what they could have done to have prevented it, what they can do in the future to avoid it again, and start fresh.

Lower rent right now, a change in spending habits, build savings, and increase income -- this is the only way they will actually change this living situation permanently. Anything else is just a quick but expensive (not to mention waste of charitable resources if they cannot maintain their current rental) extension of the inevitable.

Wish I could give an easier suggestion for them. If it hurts enough, they'll make changes and avoid it in the future and that can be the silver lining in this very difficult circumstance.


My thoughts
They have heroes! Unfortunately, they are Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Nicole Ritchie, Eminen, all those gang rappers, etc. : (
My first thoughts on this -
I have never personally had a 40-year mortgage. Get a mortgage calculator and figure how much interest you will pay over the life of the loan for both the 30-and 40-year mortgages. That alone might help with your decision. Is this to allow you to buy more house or just to get into the market at all with lower payments? If you are in a very expensive market then it might be the way to go. However, I am not sure I would want to pay all that extra money to the bank for a longer loan. Just my two cents. Good luch to you. :-)
some thoughts

Historically a lot of islands (Australia for one) were populated by undesirables transported from other places to get rid of them. 


I had begun to think that (with all the mention of the people being found dead) the island was the afterlife - remembering existentialist (was it Camus or Sartre - No Exit) theory that He**ll is other people. 


Still mulling a lot of this over - Locke may really be dead - they have gotten rid of less people this season thus far.   More thoughts later.


my thoughts
Mobile homes are very nice nowadays compared to before -- and built better, but they just are not built as well as a home. It may work well for you, if you find the right place to put your mobile home, but you still have hassels of repairs, don't you? What about a reasonable condo or townhouse -- they're built better, safer in storms, and don't depreciate so much; and your condo association deals with some of those repairs, ie roof, and does the outside maintenance. If you go with the mobile home, might want to check out the used ones -- as they depreciate like a car, immediately!
Good luck.


My thoughts
It sounds like she is definitely good at planning an over-the-top wedding and honeymoon, but the fact is that that is between your dad and her. Sure, you can fume all you want and maybe what she is doing is not right because of the cost of it, but it is their life and their plans. Smile sweetly and wish them well. You will be seen as a much bigger person if you just go along with their plans rather than trying to insert your ideas where they are not wanted. Good luck with this. I had a similar situation several years ago. Confrontation does not pay off here. Trust me, being nice as pie will let you sleep easier at night. :-)
My thoughts...
No matter what I weigh, my toosh expands to at least the width of my chair.
my thoughts, as well.
nm
Thank you for your thoughts..sm
I am not one to take meds either and that is why I have stayed away from the family doc. When it first happened he wanted to put me on something, but I am of the belief that a pill only masks what is wrong and you have to learn to deal..and feel..with what is going on. Thank you so much for your thoughts and the hug! I have been looking into some counseling, but we live so far out in the country from where their offices are. Maybe when the kids start back to school I can do that. Thanks again.
My thoughts exactly
That thought crossed my mind a hundred times. The only problem is we are new to the area and don't know anyone here. Sure wished we had our own place where we could just take her but some things are beyond our control.
Just thoughts
but horrific rib pain can be either costochondritis or a rib fracture.

(You can fracture a rib playing golf and all kinds of weird ways).

Shingles pain can follow around a rib. Is it nerve pain?
My thoughts...
Something like that, 38 and 18 sounds to me almost like child molestation because 18 is still so young. If talking about people in their 30s and older, I'm not sure it really matters. I was married to a man 12 years older who was very active and young at heart. I am now with my current husband who is 5 years younger and he acts like an old man. lol So there you go.
my thoughts...
I agree with the other poster who said this was an emotional affair and to end it now.  You've never met in person.  Online or on the phone, one can be whomever one wants to be.  Meeting in person is another thing entirely.  You're *in love* with what you've made this person out to be.  I'm sorry, but you don't know the *real* him yet.  I don't want to sound harsh, but let it go.  He's married and sounds intent on staying that way.  Let him go.  Move on with your life.  Don't waste another day worrying about this man.  I know it's easier said than done, but it's really your only choice.