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considered quality foods by whom? sm

Posted By: anon on 2007-05-08
In Reply to: Iams and Science Diet are considered quality pet foods and they - were recalled. What are you talking about? nm

I have heard many negative things about both of these pet foods for years. I do not consider them to be quality foods, by a long shot, and this was even before the tainted food scandal. That's what I am talking about.


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Iams and Science Diet are considered quality pet foods and they
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Quality not quantity, I always say. LOL
Of course if you can have both quality AND quantity, more power to ya, I say.

Oh yeah, and that goes for sex, too. (grin)
I think it depends on your definition of quality...sm
Iams, Eukanuba Science Diet, Purina Pro Plan, Nutro, etc. (found at Petsmart, Petco) are considered 'premium' foods, and they *are* better quality than, say, Purina Pedigree, Walmart's Ol' Roy (~shudder~), Kibbles N Bits, and other such brands that can be found in your local grocery store.

Just look at the ingredients. The cheaper, grocery store brands have grains as the very *first* ingredient (rice, corn, whatever) - not meat, or even meat meal. Dogs are carnivores. They need very little in the way of grains (carbs) - they need meat, but of course grains are cheaper than meat.

I guess it just depends on what you can afford to feed, and how important you think diet is. There have been lean times, long ago, when we've had to feed Pedigree to our dogs. (Not for long, thank goodness.) As we've been able, we've 'upgraded' so to speak. We went from Pedigree to Authority (which is a Petsmart brand) to Iams, to Eukanuba, to now, Innova (except my senior is on prescription Science Diet L/D for his elevated liver enzymes - though that may change as I've never been a fan of Science Diet & it doesn't seem to be helping anyway...)

But, if you can afford to feed better food, the premium brands are a step up from the 'grocery store' brands. Even better are the 'super premium' foods that can't be found in Petsmart or Petco. You usually have to find a small local distributor for these brands (Innova - what we currently feed, Flint River, Canidae, Solid Gold, etc. are considered super premium).

A step above the 'super premium' dry food is super premium canned food (because it has even more meat), and then a step above that is preparing the food yourself, with fresh ingredients (there are some good books out there for this, but I'm not that ambitious yet!)

I wish I had a good website to direct people to for all this. Most of this stuff I learned from the Siberian Husky listserv group I used to belong to. It's interesting stuff.

I agree with the person who said vets aren't experts on pet food. They aren't, because they aren't nutritionists. And from what I've heard, many vets are heavily influenced by Science Diet, (and other companies) starting from the time they're in vet school. As I said, Science Diet has never impressed me.

What I'm not quite understanding in all of this is why some people seem to be blaming individual pet food brands, when the problem came from a tainted ingredient that went to so many *different* brands.

The thing is, there are a lot of pet food companies, but there aren't a lot of pet food ingredient *manufacturers* here in our country. So I wouldn't hold this current tainted pet food problem against any certain brands, because I don't think we can really trust any brand where any of their ingredients come from outside our country, which *I think* means most brands other than maybe some of the super premiums. (Don't quote me on that though, I'm still investigating!)


Try Catherine's - nice quality sm
dresses and pant sets; can order online or local stores.
Silhouettes has good quality clothes as well; i think they are only catalog / online.
For good quality alfalfa
its running 16.99 a bale (gulp), but I get 1.00 discount for 10 or more.  I don't have a big storage area, so unfortunately I can't buy it buy the ton & not expect it to get moldy.
Keep a stash of quality dark chocolate around at all times. For
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Mowing in the evening hours improves air quality...

My son has asthma.  I've learned learned a thing or two about air quality and air pollution. 


I don't know if this is why the OP's neighbor is mowing late, but I mow late and yet I get it done before 10 p.m.


Quite frankly, I think some of you all are being a bit sensitive!  And just as much as your right to peace and quiet is being infringed upon, you are trying to infringe upon your neighbors rights to do what he wants in his own yard and inside is own house! 


Not rich or snooty either, just love good quality
items and buy them when I want. Who wants to shop at the local mall and get something that everyone else wears and see it all over town? Just like jewelry; I don't wear the average items you see advertised every holiday season that everyone wears and every jewelry store sells. My guy gets my things made at a one of kind store, where at least I know I'm probably the only one who has it.
I was in Macy's recently, the INC line is pretty good quality, I think.
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Soft high-quality black & red licorice bites.
Oh my gosh I found this kind that the store Target sells that are made in Australia, and they are just the best pieces of confection I have ever put in my pie hole. 
Now it is considered, get this
astronaut stress. Well, I have QA stress. Anyone got a knife?
Well have you considered
dental hygiene? My other sister does that and last I heard made around $200 a day. She has a 2-year degree.
Oh BTW, am considered senior so
noticed how you signed and am sure probably older by lots of years than you!!
Have you considered a Kodak? sm
I just bought a Z712 IS, it is 7.1 megapixels, with 12X optical. It is really nice. I just upgraded from another Kodak with 4 MP and 10X optical that I've used over the last 4 years, taken thousands of pictures (daughter's high school years and marching band - some pictures even made it into the yearbook). So, was really excited about getting one with 7.1 megapixels, and 12x optical. Tried a few shots last night and they were great. Anyway, they have them on e-bay. We've been really happy. It is considered refurbished, but was never used before. Not a problem with our old camera.
and at what point is it considered

is it okay to spank as long as you only do it 3 times? or maybe if you only hit on the bottom? or maybe you "spank" with a belt? or whatever other object you can get your hands on?


The problem with spanking is some adults don't know when to stop.  I, too, was beaten with a belt as a child and I have never laid a belt to my children and never will.  Spanking with a belt is BEATING.  I was "slapped" across the face numerous times as a child for speaking out of turn, and to this day, I still wince when my mom gets upset and raises a hand.  It's not respect for my parents that I have in these instances, its fear.  It's a shame that too many adults have come to confuse the two.


Have you considered Dyson? sm

We have had a Dyson for about four or five years now, and I adore it.  You just would not believe what all it picks up.  Hubby and I both have allergies AND indoor cats, and if we use the Dyson as often as we should, we can tell a significant difference.  We bought ours after trying a friends.  They are lighter weight than the Rainbows and Kirbys, and also have an added advantage of being significantly cheaper.  Just a thought. 


HC


foods
I think you may be on to something with the diet - I worked with someone once who also had 3 boys and the youngest had some behavior probs that sound similar to your son's. . She changed his diet - cut out sugar and some other things (can't remember what) and she said he was like a completely different child. . It sounds nearly impossible that diet could make that much difference, but maybe it does. . I also agree you should keep searching for a counselor/psychiatrist until you find one that can help.
what are the 6 bad foods?
I really did not see that on her web site, but I do need to lose a little weight. I have never had a problem until this perimenopause, and now, I have middle aged spread! It is a little hard on my ego and my knees!
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese.  Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects.  Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite.  Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite.  Organ meats are awsome.  I make the best chopped liver.  I also make my own schmaltz.  No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent.  I die and go to heaven for Indian food.  I have learned to make my own, including naan.  You people are making me hungry.  My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me! 
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese.  Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects.  Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite.  Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite.  Organ meats are awsome.  I make the best chopped liver.  I also make my own schmaltz.  No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent.  I die and go to heaven for Indian food.  I have learned to make my own, including naan.  You people are making me hungry.  My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me! 
But a lot of things are considered sins...

Like living together, sex outside of marriage, even using birth control of any kind, depending on your religious beliefs.  Yet all grocery stores carry magazines and tabloids that report on celebrities and other people doing those things and more, and books (fiction and nonfiction) with that kind of thing.  Why are those books and magazines with hetero sins any different from the ones with homosexuality?  Isn't sin, sin?  And it's everywhere, so how far do you want to take your boycott?  I really do respect your opinion and your right to it.  I just don't quite understand it. 


I don't understand why some people seem to have such a seething *hatred* of homosexuals.  I mean, gay people are just people, like anybody else.  Some good, some bad.  I don't want to know what they do in the privacy of their own home, but I don't want to know what hetero people do in the privacy of their own home, either!  Either way, as long as it's two consenting adults, why would I care?  It's none of my business. 


BTW, I just saw Brokeback Mountain on HBO for the first time the other night.  I thought it was heartbreaking.  To think that two people who love each other so much could never really be together.  How is that okay?  (Yes, I know it was fiction, but it happens/has happened in reality.)  I just think that's so incredibly sad.  Don't we need more love in this world?


Okay, off my soapbox!


It is considered a double negative, sm
and not standardly use.  Use "regardless", or "irrespective".  It is considered bad grammar.
Considered being the driver instead of the passenger?
I too have RLS. I have found that for some reason I do much better as the driver than as a passenger. Can't explain it but it's true.
Have considered it before - would they listen to me, his wife? (sm)
Would I have to show proof?
What exactly is considered Middle Class?
Unless I heard wrong last night, during the debate, $250,000 is considered "Middle" class. I don't think so.


Anyone?

18 IS legally considered an adult.
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Is Express Scribe considered a FTP?--nm
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anybody know if organ donation was considered? nm
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Well, there's an angle I hadn't considered...
Good point, longtimeMT...I hadn't considered the possibility that her 'type' are usually the ones on the boards of HOAs. The ones who think they know what's best for everyone.

I'm giggling so hard at her ludicrous posts that I fear I might wet myself. Talk about pretentious! I'll take my cozy little apartment with my hubby and pets and the WARMTH and LOVE therein over her snooty TRACT HOUSING any day.

Too bad she doesn't appear to realize she isn't IMPRESSING us, she's ENTERTAINING us!!!
Even higher bill w/3 cells & a land line, but sound quality & customer service are good.
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I agree and I, too, try to eat foods without--sm
all these additives, such as hormone free chicken and no antibiotics. Finding foods without these are costly and difficult to find, but worth the cost to me.

As far as any warnings, I doubt it. They only warn about what the FDA tells them to warn about. Unless forced, they will not disclose anything, and that includes the pet food, as well. It is really sad when we cannot even trust our food manufacturers to potentially threaten our very lives with these things, just to make a buck!
I will be going to Whole Foods today to look for some of that - thanks! (nm)
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native foods
Coca-Cola, Little Debbie, Moon Pie, Krystal burgers (like White Castle)
What is considered appropriate if a neighbor's relative passes away. SM
My neighbor's uncle passed away. She and I are friends, but not best friends, we basically see each other every day as we walk our dogs and we talk every day. Her uncle just passed away and I was unable to go to the wake. The funeral is today, but I cannot go to that either. What is the appropriate thing to do here, a card, flowers, what? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
Have you considered a home equity loan to
pay off all your credit cards?
Have you considered Florida? They have some of the most beautiful beaches I have
ever had the pleasure of walking on in the U.S. My son was stationed at Eglin AFB in Florida; he and my DIL lived in Ft. Walton Beach, and I would go there quite often...I immediately fell in love with their beaches..I usually don't like sand but theirs is white and very fine..they don't call it the Emerald Coast for nothing.  The people are very friendly and I had the time of my life there.  I also love to fish and they have the best seafood. I am a native Californian but I LOVE FLORIDA.  They have a very special place in my heart...just an idea for vacation.. 
Anyplace bluejeans are considered 'inappropriate' is
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Please research commercial pet foods
Please read this article, Iams is not a good food, there are many many out there that are, just not found at the grocery store. Vets do not know either, they are not taught animal nutrition in the vet schools which are subsidized by the pet food companies. I was horrified when I found this information out, please please inform yourself on this subject and if you find the below article too lengthy, just Google commercial pet food ingredients and you will be horrified such as I was when I finally decided to research this after my Collie died covered in cancer. All for the animals.


http://www.api4animals.org/facts?p=359&more=1cat=286
OK, foods and cities, a few matches. Add your

Pizza: NYC
Burritos: SF and Chicago
Italian: New Haven (yep)


Chinese? Steak? Indian?.......................................


What are your thoughts on organic foods?
Do you try to buy them wherever possible, or only if you happen to pick them up in error? If you intentionally buy them, why? Do they taste better, are they better for you, do you believe you're helping the environment?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/diet.fitness/04/13/cl.organics/index.html

Organic vs. conventional: What do experts say?




By Amy Spindler
CookingLight.com


The organic market is growing at a steady pace of nearly 20 percent annually, and that translates into organic alternatives in nearly every grocery aisle -- from snack foods to frozen meals to baked goods. "Everyone wants to be healthy and these foods convey an aura of health," says Marion Nestle, Ph.D., professor of nutrition, food studies, and public health at New York University and author of "What to Eat." Here, experts compare some of the benefits and drawbacks of going organic.

Are organic products more nutritious?
A few small studies have shown that some organic foods contain higher nutrient levels than conventional ones. For example, a recent study showed that organic ketchup had 57 percent more of the antioxidant lycopene than regular ketchup. But the wholesale claim that organics are more nutritious than conventional is ahead of the science. "More research is needed before it can be stated that organic foods provide more nutritional value," says Connie Diekman, M.Ed., R.D., director of university nutrition at Washington University in Saint Louis, Missouri.

Organic foods may have other benefits, though. Charles Benbrook, Ph.D., chief scientist at The Organic Center, asserts that some organic products are less processed, which means they may contain fewer chemically adulterated ingredients (think hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, and preservatives).

Bottom line: "Read labels and look at each product in its own right," Benbrook says. An organic potato chip may contain as many calories and saturated fat grams as a conventional chip. "The price premiums associated with processed organic food are not as great as the premiums charged for organic whole foods," Benbrook says.

Are organic products healthier for the environment?
What's best for the environment is hotly debated among experts. "There is no scientifically accepted evidence that organic foods are better for the environment. Organic production allows natural pesticides, which can be toxic to humans and wildlife," says Alan McHughen, Ph.D., professor of botany and plant sciences at the University of California, Riverside. Organic fertilizers may also contain harmful bacteria, such as E. coli. Plus, organic farming yields only 75 to 90 percent of the crop of conventional systems, meaning that more land must be planted in order to have an equal return.

Organic advocates counter that chemicals used in conventional farming spread far beyond the fields where they are applied and have unintended consequences. "Synthetic pesticides have been linked to developmental and neurological problems," Benbrook says. "Organics eliminate synthetic pesticides and the damage they do to farmers, land, and drinking water."

Organic regulations also prohibit the use of genetic modification -- another thorny issue with as-yet unclear implications for the environment.

Bottom line: Focus on foods' benefit to your immediate environmen -- i.e. your body -- first. "A good diet means variety, balance, and moderation, regardless of the farming method that produced the food," McHughen says.

Yeps lots of fav foods too
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I'm not picky and like most foods that others hate.
But, I won't touch chicken salad with a 10-foot pole! Hate the stuff! And ketchup. Ack! What a terrible way to use wonderful tomatoes!

Divorced, never considered myself single (?) and bought my own home
years ago - the price was unbelievable, 15,500 and sold it 2 years ago for $165,000. Quite a deal huh?
protein-filled snacks/foods.....

Resist genetically engineered foods!
They think it might be related to the pet food problem because right now genetically engineered grains are only allowed in pet food. Some think it might be what's wiping out the honey bees and other pollinators. Some food is wind pollinated, like corn, but this could really limit our diets. Countries like China are big into these crops, and I was reading that in California, they are or were trying to pass laws that would prevent people from having any say about our food. Cross-pollination is pretty hard to prevent, so evening allowing them to be grown could be devastating. And they are being grown here, apparently, by big companies like Monsato (sp?).

What foods are native to your area of the country
Over years I have noticed that certain areas don't sell things I used to have growing up. Wondered what kind of things are in your parts of the country.
Two products we had in New England were:

Fluff - It's not like any marshmallow cream. It's light and fluffy and sooooo good. Make a peanut butter sandwich with it and you've got a fluffernutter (oh how I miss fluff).

Moxie - My dad lived on this stuff. I thought it was disgusting but never saw it anywhere else. It's a soda, and dad said it is made from natural ingredients. When you first drink it, it tastes like Sarsaparilla, but it makes you burp and comes up like kerosene (although I haven't drank kerosene before, but that's what it's like).

In California we have what is called an It's it. It is two oatmeal cookies with a nice thick chunk of vanilla ice cream between covered in chocolate. Never have found them outside of Calif. I believe the factory in in San Francisco.
Make sure whatever you use for skewers aren't considered a weapon by the school. sm
Some schools are absolutely militant about anything that even looks like something that might be used as a weapon, no matter the reason or who has it.
Pet food - is there a web site that lists all the foods being recalled? nm

Worried about my golden retriever.  


Saw on Yahoo about stockpiling foods/staples in anticipation (sm)
of prices continuing to go up and up.  I do tend to keep my freezer and pantry fairly well filled.  Certain things seem to go on sale in cycles and I try to take advantage of that.  Do grow a garden and may very well enlarge it this year.  Anyone else have suggestions on helping to defray the cost of putting food on the table.
Judy is right..... high protein, low carb foods
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Agree with this. Regular aerobics and no white foods/sugars. nm
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