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Bigotry within AAMT

Posted By: BookerT on 2005-10-26
In Reply to: The AAMT Mafia - HIVKid

Hey, HIVer--I can top--or at least equal that. About that same time frame, early nineties, I was in AAMT. They sent pictures of people running for the board of directors. I called to ask them why no people of color were there. The reply of the snotty AAMT representative was "No person of color is qualified to sit on our board." So folks, there is a very well-disguised but very real veneer of bigotry in AAMT. These are not nice people.

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How is bigotry not a sin?
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." -William Shakespeare

What your bible defines as sin is not my problem. Live as you feel is right, I will do the same.

If you have to resort to the supernatural to justify your views, your views might need closer scrutiny.
I am not referring to ALL Mexicans. There are some (few) who are legal citizens of the US, and they work and make a good living for themselves and do not want handouts. But they are also legal. As far as the illegal ones go good luck finding a decent, well groomed, good hygiene one who is illegal. Alot of them are thieves also. Personal experience with this first hand. I know.
Look I was one of the posts speaking about illegals. I am sorry to offend anyone. But you have to admit some of the illegals here are not up to par on their hygiene. Maybe my area is different but most in my area suffer from this problem. I am sorry to offend anyone but it is true. Now let me make something VERY clear. There is a difference between ILLEGAL Mexicans and LEGAL CITIZENS who are Mexicans. There is a big difference. The legal Mexicans are usually clean, well mannered, good English speaking people. They have normal jobs and want nothing but to be like us. They went about doing things the right way. They came here because they wanted to be American. They make every effort to be American. But now I am sorry it is the illegal ones and I don't know why but they snuck over in an illegal way. They act like they have no interest in learning our culture or our language except enough to get by. And I don't have to assume if some of them don't practice good hygiene because it is obvious because you see it and you smell it. It isn't something you assume at all. I am not making assumptions I am stating facts from what is seen.
Hate is hate and bigotry is bigotry.
Whether it is towards blacks, gays, people with blue eyes, etc...
The bigotry I see claimed is not that but
when people start making generalizations about people's cleanliness or illegality. It's a huge jump from talking about illegal immigrants to assuming the Hispanic people you see are Mexicans, aliens, or dirty.

Sure, some of them are, but some of them aren't and anytime you make assumptions about a group of people, you are being prejudiced. That's what I saw the other day on this board, and that's what was called out.
ESL is not code for bigotry. It is used in my SM
community of SoFla. There are ESOL classes in school and English classes for ESL adults. These are listed as ESL! There are references to ESL all over and there is nothing bigotted about it. It is not a "code" for bigotry, at least in SoFla. I don't know about the rest of the US.

I have already stated, I don't mind ESL doctors. As someone else pointed out, they know they have an accent and tend to speak very clearly.
And you will have to answer to your hate and bigotry some day.
Now I'm off to recruit some young boys into My Lifestyle, as you say. Gee, I thot MQ was the clueless ones!
Disagree. ESL is just what it is. Bigotry term
their own issue. A lot of people claim bigotry to
Oh, someone benefits from AAMT - AAMT DOES!
not my point, actually. My point was the bigotry is the same.
The bigotry's always there. Not all "Mexicans" are Mexican, nor are they all illegal. My point is, though, people used to make remarks about cabbage smell about the Irish just like comments are made now about how nasty Mexicans are.

Every time somebody says something about "those people," something bigoted is coming out. That's all I'm saying.
Well hey, spelling a lot as one word is commonplace too; does that make it okay?? Do they really think MDs keep up with all the illogical changes they come up with? Do they realize that MDs actually take the time to edit stuff they don't recognize to be correct? What good is it if it actually causes MDs to stop and edit??

It's just too bad that AAMT has not taken an assertive stand for the American MT and keeping confidential patient records in this country. For such a long time medical record administrators have fought the concerns of medical transcriptionists since the 60's. There was always a divisive agenda from medical record librarians (as they were called then) toward the transcriptionist. They didn't want to see the Transcriptionist come to the forefront of the medical records industry, nor did they like the income transcriptionists made(then) -WHAT? a transcriptionist make more money than a medical records librarian? I still see it now - you see AHIMA's hand down the back zipper of AAMT puppeting what direction they want AAMT to go - minimize the importance of the professional medical transcriptionist and rushing to automate the medical record with ASR and EMR. Ask youself this question - how many of you believe that many of the "QA" people at the nationals are discarded or displaced medical record technicians or the like? Many of the medical record administrators lost their jobs about 10 years ago during hefty layoffs when hospitals began a surge of outsourcing and many of these people had to seek jobs in the transcription industry for national companies as sales people, administrators, and QA people. I can't begin to tell you how many RHIT people haven't a clue about medical transcription. I've worked with so many who got a lot of things wrong legally but hey, because they were above the transcription department, they were right. Don't question them.
Have to afford those trips to Hawaii somehow.
I know.  It is so strange.  I was just on the AAMT forum.  I know if I start making "waves" I'll be considered a troublemaker.   It is really said what is happening in that organization when it could provide such a boost.
That is how I have been feeling.  A friend of mine says I need to run, but I'm afraid of how it would be handled. -
Thanks so much.  You are right.  I will contact this gentleman.
well, according to the AAMT BOS...sm
"Always place periods inside quotation marks."  <<< see, like I did!
Ah, yes. The AAMT.
Medware offshores. They don't pay well, either. I see by your other post that you won't work for acusisindia, what's the difference? Offshoring is offshoring.

AAMT = Against American Medical Transcriptionists
I don't think you read my message clearly.  There are many options to AAMT, not just one.  AAMT is pushing for licensure as it is.  That will do just as much harm as anything else in the end.
AAMT is nothing but a poor parody of a high school sorority. It touts itself as being a professional organization. It is neither professional nor organized and needs to go the way ot the dinosaur and die.
What I blame AAMT for is for touting themselves as a "professional organization" when they are neither professional nor organized.
I hear the rules are always changing in the AAMT/BOS.

And you have to admit, it doesn't really matter what the AAMT/BOS says, it's what the doctor prefers, right or wrong.
According to AAMT BOS, you do put
an apostrophe to form the plural of single letters and symbols. The values will vary from patient to patient.
AAMT is totally useless; everyone knows that. They're a bunch of aging prima donnas. You would do better to invest your money in a good basic grammar book than anything AAMT has to offer.
Where is AAMT
They're too busy deciding who is white enough and straight enough to belong to give attention to relevant issues. I abandoned them in the 90s when I saw first-hand what their agenda was. It isn't to help the average Joe or Jane Transcriptionist, believe me.
AAMT is a dinosaur.
Yes, and dangerous abbreviations list instructs cc should be replaced with mL as well. I agree a lot of it is silly, but there is some useful information. Some doctors appreciate it, other doctors want verbatim always and don't care for it.
I will conveniently stay anonymous, but I completely agree with you. I cannot afford the membership dues. My former employer is sponsoring a discounted membership with AAMT for MTs who want to join. I think this board is invaluable and agree it probably does have a lot better information. I know of other MTs who used to be AAMT members who could no longer afford the membership and dropped it. Besides, I think you can visit their website and obtain info that way. I bet the book you purchased is a good resource as well.
AAMT does not only support offshoring, I believe they are responsible for it. Apparently, you don't know that they offer their CMT test and credentials to MTs in India? Nothing very "American" about that.

Also, you will find that most AAMT officers are from MTSOs that offshore work. If you dig deeper, you will find that these MTSOs were pioneers in offshoring work. I belonged years ago, but then I decided they were just a bunch of egomaniacs out for their own glorification.

I can't see that they have done anything positive for the MT business. I think it's gone downhill since AAMT came into the picture.
Like she said, AAMT...
Yes, the AAMT website has a great instruction guide for setting up and maintaining a QA department.  It is the QA Primer 2004.  I used it to establish a QA department for one of the medium transcription companies and they love it. 
Can one sit for the AAMT's CMT

If the AAMT gets their way and gets an apprenticeship program apprvoved, MTs are sunk.  Students will come out of the top 3 schools ready to work, but will have to work for lower line rates as apprentices.  So who do you think the MTSOs will hire? 


The AAMT has applied to the Department of Labor to get this scheme going.  We are sunk unless we oppose it and state that the AAMT does not represent the majority of MTs.  The group that wants to represent us is sending us right down the tubes.  We have to stop them before they go any further with this scheme. 

Did the AAMT ever ask MTs
whether THEY wanted this apprenticeship program? The AAMT wants to pretend it represents MTs. If you want to represent someone, you take the time to do the groundwork to find out what the people in the industry want. You don't sit down and come up with a deal and send it to the Dept. of Labor, letting the Dept. of Labor think that this is what the majority of MTs want, and THEN try to sell it to those who make up the working body.

That is NOT the way to attract support. This is why the AAMT is accused of being elitist. The AAMT does not use the boards to poll working MTs. It tells MTs what they SHOULD want, SHOULD do, SHOULD think.

Ask first, then act. Don't try to sell us some scheme after it's all put together, and don't try to fob it off as something the majority wants. That is dishonest.
That turns the majority of MTs against the AAMT.

When we are making the same wages as the MTS who live in other countries, maybe the AAMT will wake up and feel a little bit of guilt about their part in taking us down.

Thank AAMT for this. nm
AAMT now just AMT?

This is in reference to their now teaching overseas to outsource our work:


I myself do NOT feel comfortable having my information sent overseas, including my name, DOB, and often SSN listed in the demographics screen of each note. I have heard stories of prosecution (or lack there of) by identity theft from people in other countries. Maybe Americans should start boycotting or protesting the healthcare industries that outsource overseas!!!!!!!!!!!!


Re: AAMT BOS, etc.
Thanks for your honest, non-rosy answer about switching from in-house to at-home. We have actually been gradually switching over to a more rigid adherenct to the BOS, but it's been a hard sell for lots of the older docs, who want it their way or no way at all. And some of us older MTs aren't too thrilled with lots of the idiotic, picky-picky stuff the BOS throws at us. So far we've reached a compromise, where we MOSTLY adhere to it, but other things we do the doctors' way to keep them happy. I would have a hard time with with verbatim, because one of our ways IS to do SLIGHT changes in grammar for some of the ESL docs. But they can be only very minor, and the rule of thumb is when in doubt, don't do it. For the most part I sort of like the ESL guys better, because at least they try harder to be understood than many of our English-speakers.

I found your answer very forthright and valuable, and will definitely add it to my "cons" list! :)
Throwing good money after bad, and sending our work to India.
What a waste. You can get all of that free off the internet. Those CEC's you are talking about are worthless and not transferrable.

Is it still the rule with AAMT to spell out WHOLE numbers zero through nine, use numerals for 10 and above or did they change this with the 2nd ed.

Also what is the standard font and size used nationally.

Thanks - Sandra

According to AAMT BOS 2 sm

"With proper nounds, capitalized words, numbers, and abbreviations use a hyphen to join a prefix to a proper name, capitalized word, number or abbreviation, i.e.:


non-Hodgkin-type lymphoma


What is the AAMT guidelines for position of the discharge diagnosis. I have docs who dictate at the beginning of the script and some who dictate it at the end.
I don't think AAMT....
addresses this formatting issue in the BOS.  I just type them like they are dictated, but would like to see standard formats for all reports.  Unfortunately no one has ever asked me!
I have never used them. My Manager agrees with me. AAMT is using the acceptable English language in the BOS. Well I have been doing MT for 20 years. Never needed other MTs to tell me how to do my job.
Right on Sharon!! I'm down here in Thousand Oaks, and was involved deeply with AAMT many years ago - could not believe their insanity on pushing offshoring of patient records without full disclosure to the patient, AND other professional industries such as IT stick together to provide American jobs FIRST. AAMT has not publicly addressed the issue of disclosure to the patient that their record is going offshore. Offshore is here to stay, we can't stop it, and I would not take offense to it if there were some decent common sense checks and balances in place to protect the American worker FIRST. What we see is sheer insanity, stupidity, and corporate greed. Not until we are in deep do-do with a gigantic job loss in all fields, will our government say, duh, what happened?
I think this is bull! I have 4-year medical schooling and now have some experience, and still the AAMT dictates how we take the test. This is why our work is going overseas. Yes, you should have experience but not have to be neice of Einstien! This organization will put MTs out of business, or give away our jobs. They make it so hard and it shouldn't have to be.
Hi Ana... These are all good programs. Good solid training and education is what you will definitely need to get started. Once you get your education though be aware that you don't need the AAMT... They have become more of a joke to most MTs than a source of helpfulness.

Good luck. I think it is a wonderful career.

Like I said, it may not do any good, but I am willing to try, at least then I can say I did.  I totally agree with you on the offshoring being the major problem, but there are also other problems with the organization as well.  I would be happy to see MTs being required to have state licensure like nurses and a lot of techs need. They are asking for responses so I am gonna give em without hesitation. I have a couple of months left on my membership and I am dumping after that if I don't see real progress.

How often does AAMT put a new BOS out? Thanks. nm

Card carrying member 1980-1998 - American Association for Medical Transcription, used to travel miles for educational seminars. Now you can write a paper from information on the Web. Quite a difference in today's requirements and the $$$ to keep it up. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!

I wish they would offer affordable membership to those who helped them back in the beginning, but I guess that was a "past life" experience!

No kidding. My CMT expires in January and I won't be renewing it. No one has EVER paid me extra for it. What a waste of money. Besides, I wouldn't join AAMT either.